On August 23rd we reported our Technocrati ranking against Kimmer’s blog. On that day our respective ranking and ‘authority’ according to Technocrati was:
Kimmer’s blog
Authority 12
Rank 540,306
Kimkins Exposed
Authority 13
Rank 500,785
Today, we looked at the rankings again to see how we’re doing compared with Kimmer. Wow!
August 31
Kimmer’s blog
Authority 13
Rank 500,785
Kimkins Exposed
Authority 23
Rank 280,190
THANK YOU ALL OUR READERS!
“It is a sad tendancy of modern men to either do the right thing in the wrong way or do the wrong thing in the right way. We either hold to truth obnoxiously or we hold to a lie graciously. We are either a rude angel or a polite devil. Often what poses as a cruel orthodoxy is defeated by what poses as a kind heresy” – George Grant & Mark Horne, from the book Unnatural Affections
With that in mind, we all must understand that cognitive dissonance is an innately human process that can muddle the ethical values of an individual without him or her even realizing that it is happening. The most basic of cognitive dissonance scenarios occur when a person whom an individual regards highly adopts a behavior that the same individual deplores.
The gulf between the individual’s admiration of the person (a positive attitude) and the individual’s objection to the behavior (a negative attitude) must be reconciled.
The individual can lower his or her estimation of the person, or develop a rationalization for the conflict (the person was acting uncharacteristically due to illness, stress, or confusion), or reduce the disapproval of the behavior.
This is why misbehavior by leaders and other admired role models is potentially very harmful on a large scale: by creating dissonance, it creates a downward drag on societal norms by validating unethical behavior. Tortured or inexplicable defenses of otherwise clearly wrong behavior in public dialogue are often the product of cognitive dissonance.
Remember, sin ripples; it affects the whole world.
Therefore, if a public person – by his or her pronouncements – trivializes an issue as important as health, we all must stand up and pay attention.
When someone lies to us or others, we must recognize it and accept our duty to not only abhor it, but if once a party to it, turn our backs and leave that person in their wickedness.
When someone says things which may bring harm to another, we must recognize it and accept our duty to not only abhor it, but no longer be party to such dangerous words.
As spiritual beings we’re called to account not only for what we have done, but what we failed to do.
Not only in how we see, but in how our Creator sees it.
2 Cor 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive recompense, according to what he did in the body, whether good or evil.
1 Cor3:12-15 If any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man’s work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.
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August 31, 2007 at 2:40 pm
Healthy LCer
I totally agree with this 100 percent. Christin is a strong Christian and therefore will be held accountable for anything harmful that she has advised people to do. If she did this unknowingly at first, that is totally different than
hearing people’s stories of illness and continuing to give unsafe advice.
Plus, advising children/diabetics is a WHOLE other category. And approving of what Kimmer is doing is just like SHE was doing it. Scripture tells us to FLEE
from evil. That’s what Christin needs to do…
August 31, 2007 at 3:02 pm
kkatastrophediet
Mark 9.43
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched
August 31, 2007 at 3:39 pm
ooBoo
Bravo!
Deni, please leave! You can do it! You’re strong and know what’s right and wrong and what Kimmer is doing is wrong, wrong, wrong!
August 31, 2007 at 4:29 pm
theTRUTH
Hardly a credible source for a quote: but I am reminded of the spooky words of bug-eyed Marshall Applewhite, of Heaven’s Gate cult fame…
This applies to all of the innocent Admins there:
“Your only chance to survive–leave with us.”
I am sure many of you are at least considering it. You don’t want to be in a position of association with Kimmer when the stuff hits the fan. So put on your new black and white Nikes, grab your purple handkerchiefs and hit the door before it is too late. There will be folks here and elsewhere to stand with you, to hear your stories, and help you find a new home in which you can lose weight.
At least Marshall went out with his people. Do you think Kimmer won’t have self preservation as her first priority when it all comes down. Don’t you think she will try to shift blame? That is, if her identity isn’t so well insulated that she can’t just disappear. Why else would she be so careful to lie about EVERY part of her life and has never let anyone see her?
August 31, 2007 at 7:45 pm
Laura
I really hope Deni reads this and takes it to heart. She is too sweet to have her name associated with Kimkins any more!
Deni, sweetie, please get out of there!
September 3, 2007 at 11:50 pm
theTRUTH
Deni didn’t need our convincing. I thought as much. WTG Deni and Christin!
When, not if, Christin leaves Kimkins, she’ll be a cake decorator!
Dear Kimkins Admins and Moderators,
Step back for a moment and consider all that is now happening within Kimkins. You’re being tracked, you’re being monitored and you’re likely being told that those you work with, your fellow moderators and admins, are talking about you behind your back. This is Kimmer’s MO and is not a new tactic to manipulate your loyalty to try and maintain the status quo.
Step back from the diet, step back from the concept you’re loyal because you lost weight or are losing weight, and take a long hard look at all that is out there about Kimmer and the type of person she is.
Do you want to continue to associate with someone who has been shown to be a liar?
Do you want to continue to assoicate with someone who says she is a CASA when you know she’s not?
Do you want to continue to associate with someone who manipulates others with illusions of gradeur, claims of foster parenting, and taking money for ‘her kids’ when it’s very likely she no longer has foster children in her care?
Do you want to continue to associate with someone who advised a child, a young teenage girl, that she didn’t need to eat more calories if she still had body fat on her?
Do you want to continue to assoicate with someone who maintains recommendations that are contrary to the body of evidence in the scientific literature?
Do you want to continue to associate with someone who has raked in millions and is either expecting you to continue to volunteer your time or paying you a paltry salary for your time and effort?
Do you want to continue to associate with someone who has obviously used her own child to attempt to play the system and keep the fact she owns the company off the paper trail?
Do you want to associate with someone who encourages you to continue providing potentially health damaging advice to paying members?
Do you want to associate with someone who has promoted her diet with stock photo pictures and wrote success stories herself of fictional people?
Do you want to associate with someone who is known to spam the internet?
Do you want to associate with someone who has FTC violations blatantly on her website?
Do you want to associate with someone who may be defrauding social security?
Do you want to associate with someone who once proudly claimed she was judgement proof?
Do you want to associate with someone who found it funny the student loan company was frustrated because she wouldn’t pay them what she borrowed for her education?
The list goes on and on!
Many of you are contemplating your position now.
Ducky knows this.
It’s not a maybe, it’s a given considering all that is happening now.
While you can, walk away!
While you can, tell her you’re done!
While you can, take back control of your life and move on!
The diet that worked for you doesn’t matter. In life we’re all tasked with one thing, do unto others as you’ll have done to you. Kimmer is not the diet. You know this. Act on what your intuition and gut has been telling you for a long time now.
Step away.
Leave.
You will be okay without Kimmer.
No amount of money is worth what she is doing to you or others.
You know that!
We are revising our projected demise of Kimkins from less than 30 days out, to now projecting 10 days or less.
The Ducky Countdown Clock stands at 10 days or less.
The comments section of Becky’s recent post, Interesting Times, is quite revealing as to the disagreement with Kimmer (Heidi Diaz). Of note, Becky said in her comments,
As has been said elsewhere, I did not see eye-to-eye on everything. I have been told I have an incompatible view of Kimkins than just does not mesh. So be it.
From all of Kimmer’s posts, it is generally understood that her perspective about how to lose weight is fixed in stone and no deviation is allowed, otherwise you might as well do Atkins.This morning we’ve received a number of comments not to post, but to provide information that lead us to believe that Kimkins is crumbling from within. If anyone doubts this, they only need to look at how Christin is openly defying Kimmer in her replies today to members asking for help.
On the Ask Kimmer thread, Christin today wrote:
Everyone has to find their own balance. I understand the rush for whatever gets the weight off fastest. But, you also have to make sure that you’re taking care of your body as well. Kimmer’s fat might be higher than yours or lower than the next person because each person is different. You need to make sure that you are encorporating a healthy balance of good fats / lean proteins and enough veggies to give you some good nutrients and taking your vitamins every day. Really listen to your body and if you need to up your fat and calories a little it’s ok. But only eat when you are truly hungry and only till satisfcation. Don’t force yourself to the low cals. This will only get you discouraged and frustrated w/ your plan.
I did use K/E but I also encorporated a mix of Kimkins as well so I didn’t totally shun the vegetables. Veggies are good for you!Let’s face it, we didn’t get heavy by eating salad and broccoli, asparagus and tomatoes… it was the white carbs that did it to us!
So don’t be afraid of the veggies…. KE is good for getting into Ketosis fast and getting that initial loss going… But get some veggies too!
This is so outside of Kimmer’s repeated reduce this, eliminate that, stop eating this, don’t eat that scolding that it’s remarkable to see. It seems Christin is indeed coming to her senses and it won’t be long until she herself departs or Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) locks her out like Becky!
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August 30, 2007 at 6:33 pm
Healthy LCer
Let’s hope Christin wakes up and hits the road. Hopefully Becky will share with her her feelings about this. Christin is continuing to give out information that is based on her ideas. She really needs to know the science behind
lowcarbing and quote Dr. Atkins or Dr. Groves. It’s like giving out a prescription without any background. Food is medicine. This is true, especially if you are diabetic.
August 30, 2007 at 7:28 pm
ooBoo
Wow!
It really may be the start of a mutiny!
How cool is that?
August 30, 2007 at 7:30 pm
LCer
Seems like Christin is getting a conscience?
August 30, 2007 at 7:50 pm
Josh
She’s smartening up. Bad advice can be deadly and I’m sure Christin doesn’t want to hurt anyone parroting Kimmer’s advice, so she’s going to say what is a better option and healthier. It won’t be long until Kimmer locks her out. Guaranteed. No one gets away with crossing that woman.
August 30, 2007 at 8:50 pm
Kan
Christin is giving advice that directly contradicts everything that Kimmer says!! So it seems she might actually be “getting” the dangers involved? But if that’s the case…why is she continuing to work for this woman???
August 31, 2007 at 3:36 am
kkatastrophediet
Christin has always had a conscience! What kind of PR/business move would it be to ban your cover girl and PR person? Christin will leave of her own accord; I have faith!
We have continued to maintain comment moderation on this site, and assure everyone that all comments, unless otherwise stated in the comment, are published. The only other exception to a comment not being posted is if it is blatant spam.
We leave comment moderation on so that those who are providing us with tips, links and important information to consider following have a way to communicate with us and many have. Many have already figured out that by simply stating “don’t post this” or “this isn’t for posting in the comments” we respect that are delete those comments after reading the content.
We are posting a special post here so that anyone who was not aware of how many are communicating with us (it is not in email for the vast majority) now know and can also utilize the moderated comments to do so. Much is happening right now and we do not want to miss something important, so you can feel free to use the comments to provide tips and information and we will respect the “do not post this in comments” if you include it in your comment!
Thank you to all who have been extremely forthcoming with your information!
It’s coming, it’s in the air, you can feel it.
Kimkins is limping along now and each day a new revelation is knocking one more brick away, weakening the structure and will of those within.
When the time comes and Kimkins.com goes defunct or completely disappears, those within need a place to go and find online support. Below are online communities we feel comfortable recommending you bookmark for when you need a place later!
Livin’ La Vida Low Carb Discussion (we hear this is where Becky is now making home online)
Good luck to those who are still within Kimkins. For other forums, please check the comments as we’re sure other forums will be identified as places to review and check out when you need a place to retreat to in the coming weeks and months!
Earlier in the month, a meet-up was scheduled to take place on August 18, 2007 and feature Kimkins covergirl Christin as the guest of honor. It was organized by the newly appointed Event Planning & Meetings Director, Lisa Jackson. A very big to-do was made of the fact that Christin would be in attendance and all others attending would have an opportunity to meet her.
So, how did the meet-up go?
The press release says, “A recent Dallas, TX Kimkins Meet Up event held at a local venue was filled to capacity and warmly received.”
But today, almost two weeks later, no posts within Kimkins site, no posts from Christin on her blog, and nothing from those who attended. Why?
Did Christin even attend? The Meet-up page for the post-event comments does not show her as being in attendance!
We are left wondering, is Christin having doubts about her affiliation with Kimkins with all the information that is coming out?
Given the recent departure of the beloved moderator Becky, how long until others begin to jump the sinking ship called Kimkins?
The Ducky Countdown Clock has started, we wager 30 days or less for Kimkins.com to disappear and be no more.
A curious entry on Slamboard noted that when Catherine and Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) were dissolving their partnership, Catherine asserted herself in an exchange of emails when Kimmer was making her look bad to an affiliate.
Catherine wrote,
If this slanderous behavior continues on your part I will have no choice but to defend myself with the truth. If necessary, I will publish a full accounting of our business dealings and records (minus the members’ identifying details of course) and forward it to our affiliates, the IRS, and Social Security Disability Insurance authorities.
This tidbit remained unnoticed for the last few weeks, but with recent revelations about Kimmer’s activity on other sites asking about her financial situation, her receiving Social Security Disability was again brought to the forfront of the large number of discrepancies and potential fraud surrounding this woman.
Back in April 2006, Kimmer posted,
Fortunately I’m judgement proof … no assets, no cash, no checking account, no job, and my income is non-taxable so no IRS refunds to attach. The student loan people are so frustrated, LOL!
Court records indeed show a judgement from her student loan company.
In an adoption forum, Kimmer was seeking information about adopting a special needs child,
I am disabled also (heart condition) and receive Soc Sec Disability. I’m trying to figure out if I can ‘afford’ to adopt. The cost of living in our area is very expensive (rent $1550). I have no debt (no credit cards, car loans or personal loans). I spend everything on the boys so they can be like other kids, including $300 a month for allowances and extra money for movies, video games, etc.
In that adoption forum, her profile states,
Kimmer
Junior Member
First Name: Heidi
Last Name: Diaz
Sex: F
Last Online: 08-30-2004 at 09:41 AM
On Creditboards, she asked about how to buy a house with her financial situation (back in 2005) and said,
My income is Social Security disability and foster care. My foster payments are to care for the children and their needs, not pay off my personal debts.
What’s interesting here is that she’s mentioned receiving Disability benefits a number of times; and many believe it is due to a heart condition which she has also mentioned in various posts on Low Carb Friends. However, Martin answered a query on his Slamboard site recently and stated that,
Kimmer told Catherine that she was receiving social security disability for — exact quote– “carpal tunnel but more serious.” She always maintained her story about being a foster parent. She types so much that the carpal tunnel seemed laughable.
Whatever the reason for her SSD, it’s noteworthy that if she is still receiving a check, she’s now committing fraud because one cannot rake in over a million dollars and continue to collect SSD.
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August 30, 2007 at 3:25 pm
Healthy LCer
Let’s hope the governmental authorities get involved in Kimmer’s fraud, because they are relentless.
And, once you “get off” SSD, you can never get on again because you have proven that you can hold down a job. SSD is NOT for people who can actually work! I’m sure the government is used to dealing with fraud all the time in this area.
Justice needs to be done.
August 30, 2007 at 3:59 pm
KimberDonkey
So Catherine was ok with the fraud as long as she was on the payroll, too? Too many players in this dramedy.
August 30, 2007 at 7:29 pm
ooBoo
Awesome detective work Ducky!
As of the time of this writing, Low Carb Friends has maintained a poll long enough to allow those posting within the Kimkins section to speak up and let the admins know how many are really following Kimkins versus how many posting and viewing the area are no longer following the plans and/or have modified it (no longer really doing Kimkins).
With 117 members voting already, an amazing 80% are either doing something they’ve modified (23%) or no longer doing Kimkins (57%).
It’s enough votes and time to move the threads. There aren’t enough posters to overtake the small number doing Kimkins and the plans do not deserve prominence as a headline diet plan in the area.
Tom, move the threads today!
Earlier today, Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) insisted that
“Becky’s decisions are her own which is why I took offense at anyone prying for details. My last word is that Becky is not banned. It was her request to no longer be moderator. She logs in nearly every day and chooses not to post. Her reasons are her own and it’s not our business.”
However a new site, Kkatastrophediet’s Weblog, created by a Kimkins member (and perhaps a staffer with access to server logs?) insists,
It has been said that Becky is not banned.
I know different. LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE. All of you who think everyone showing dissention is a mole, it is time to wake UP.
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August 28, 2007 at 4:50 pm
Obo
Becky is definitely banned…there is no way she’d log in (as claimed by Kimmer) and not at least reply on the thread asking if she’s okay, especially since her grandson has been sick….she knows members would worry, so she’d at least post SOMETHING.
It’s not the first time a previous staff member was banned….Cutie, Kiki….they were banned for discussing something in PRIVATE MESSAGES that Kimmer read. Talk about LOW!
August 28, 2007 at 6:45 pm
LCer
Oh course she’s banned; or her password changed so same thing. Kimmer NEVER let’s someone in disagreement with her have access to the site again….way too many ways they could make her look bad!
August 28, 2007 at 8:23 pm
Megan
Amy (Curlygirl) was a moderator too (she posts still on LCF) and she’s now gone and no longer moderating either.
Looks like Kimmer is losing lots of people at once lately – who’s next?
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Our understanding is that Amy is no longer an admin, but is still a member and posting as one within the Kimkins site. Thanks for the information though! We appreciate it.
August 29, 2007 at 10:38 am
Becky (Littlebit) Update — Banned from Kimkins? » Kimkins Controversy
[...] Becky been banned? Kimmer says no . KKatastrophediet blog, the new blog from a disillusioned but still stealth Kimkins member, says [...]
August 30, 2007 at 12:21 am
anonymous
New admin to replace Becky: Gary “lasttime4me”, joined 06-01-07, lost 70 lbs so far, fitday link:
http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJournals.html?Owner=%7Elasttime4me%7E
Was offered to another member who accepted, then reconsidered, citing other obligations…
don’t really want this to be a comment, but thought you might find this interesting–seems as if anyone qualifies as a moderator now a days…feel sorry for the guy–he’s unaware of what he’s getting into….
August 30, 2007 at 2:02 pm
theTRUTH
theTRUTH shall set you free. As I said on KKatastrophediet comments: Becky is banned, locked out, whatever you want to call it. I can independently confirm this as fact; confirming Kimmer is a liar, as if you already didn’t know.
August 30, 2007 at 2:06 pm
theTRUTH
There are a LOT of new Admins as of a few days ago. Cut them some slack. They know not what they do, and are as fooled as everyone else is/was (including Becky). Just proxy’s to take hit for Kimmer. Obviously I need to stay anonymous and can’t post my thoughts on the inside.
August 30, 2007 at 2:52 pm
theTRUTH
from KKatastrophediet today:
WHO HEARS HORSES????
Becky was banned. She says: “I posted my email address on the site a few weeks ago, the first time my password quit working, in case I ever disappeared suddenly. If that cannot be found, I can always be reached here.”
Told you. Who’s the liar? Plain and simple. If she lies about this, what else does she lie about? Horses, people. Horses!
August 30, 2007 at 3:54 pm
lovinlowcarb
Becky is giving a lot of information in her comments on her blog posts…it’s obvious that Kimmer is lying, but that’s no surprise, really.
Kimkins Dangers reported the recent departure of long-term staff member Becky (Littlebit) yesterday, whose introductory biography disappeared from the ‘Meet Your Team’ page over the weekend. The disappearing act followed two weeks of silence from Becky on the site, no new posts and no replies to member queries.
Yesterday it was apparent, even without any word from the site management, that Becky was no longer associated with Kimkins. Her blog was scrubbed of all affiliate links, her Daily Plate was locked and almost all references to Kimkins removed from posts on her blog.
One question remained unanswered, why did Becky leave Kimkins?
Yesterday, when a thread appeared in the Kimkins Cafe forum asking if Littlebit was okay, Christin explained,
“Kimmer said that Becky (Littlebit) is taking a break and starting a family business, but we hope that she’ll be back to post soon!”
Dissatisfied with that reply some members pushed for the ‘real reason’ Becky left, and late last night Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) stepped up to answer, after confirming that Becky was paid staff, Kimmer went on to say,
“She and I had differences about how the website should be run. She was concerned that her comments as a moderator could leave her vulnerable to liability of some sort. She requested to be removed as moderator a few days ago, although she stopped posting and answering emails several weeks ago.”
Keen eyes noticed within minutes that reply was edited, removing the hint of Becky’s concern over liability, and a member called Kimmer on the revision,
“Kimmer, you above post originally had this sentence in it:
She was concerned that her comments as a moderator could leave her vulnerable to liability of some sort.But then you removed it!! I think Becky is concerned about the low calorie and low fat aspect of kimkins and that’s why she left.”
To which Kimmer replied curtly,
“You’re right. She is concerned about being legal liability.”
A member pressed on,
“So what did she tell you was her concern?”
Keep in mind, this member has paid Kimmer for her membership as have others within the site. Members paid subscriptions pay the salaries of those on staff and without members no one would be paid. So, members do indeed have a right to ask questions of those they are paying! Yet, Kimmer shut down the member with one short sentence,
“To be honest, you’re bordering on rude.”
Other members and paid moderators swiftly stepped in to defend Kimmer and effectively shut down any continuation of the discussion along the lines of legal liabilites, literally attacking the member who dared to ask questions.
At this point, this morning, the thread is filling with ‘feel good’ let’s all be nice to each other and remain positive type posts.
One critical question must be asked, in Becky’s departure, who lied to members?
Christin initially stepped up to say Becky left to start a new family business. She stated this was what Kimmer told her. Kimmer however candidly offered up the explanation that Becky was concerned about her vulnerability as a paid staff member, thus resigned her position to avoid potential legal liability, with no hint of starting a business or anything else as part of her reason for leaving.
So, did Christin lie to members by offering a benign reason to explain Becky’s departure, even though she was aware of the real reason, or did Kimmer initially lie to Christin who simply repeated the lie she was first told?
If Christin simply repeated what she was told, how does she now feel knowing she was lied to, and then left lying to members with Kimmer’s made-up excuse to her?
If Christin did know the real reason and simply put forward something that sounded better than the truth, how do members feel being lied to?
How do members within Kimkins feel about one of the two, or both Kimmer and Christin lying to them when they’ve paid for a membership subscription, and as such deserve to know what’s happening?
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August 28, 2007 at 3:47 pm
Joanne
Lookie what I found:
http://kkatastrophediet.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/the-last-word/
August 28, 2007 at 3:58 pm
Kimkins Dangers
We have now heard, but not verified yet, that Becky was actually banned from the site.
As with other people who “left” but were actually banned, the kimkins site administrator left their profiles visible with post count, etc, to make it “appear” as though they were online from time to time.
August 28, 2007 at 4:52 pm
Obo
A lot of people are suggesting that those who are “rocking the boat” and asking the wrong questions might be moles…..My thoughts….those who are so vehement in their ass-kissing to Kimmer, they’re the moles! A mole isn’t going to rock the proverbial boat, but someone like OSusana or Vernswifevickie – they’re so far up Kimmer’s butt, she couldn’t see if they were moles or not! Not saying those two are, but a mole is usually someone who really tries hard to portray loyalty and isn’t going to jeopardize their access by rocking the boat is all I’m saying!
August 28, 2007 at 4:54 pm
LCer
So typically Kimmer!
Gotta keep the “Negative Nancies” from saying anything, no negativity ladies….you won’t lose weight if you’re negative! As if concern, questions or the like is going to hinder weight loss. How unreal!
If I were Christin and Kimmer lied to me and I then wound up lying to the members, I’d be royally pissed. If Christin willfully lied for Kimmer and I was a member, I’d be royally pissed.
August 28, 2007 at 5:01 pm
gracie
Notably, Cutie last “logged” into her kimkins account on July 15 but we know Cutie was banned back in April. So there’s evidence of Kimmer faking log ins of banned members.
August 28, 2007 at 5:42 pm
fancypants
Most likely, she didn’t ban any of them, but just changed their passwords so that she could control their accounts. And read their PMs. Or post as them.
August 28, 2007 at 8:19 pm
Josh
Oh what a tangled web kimmer weaves!
August 30, 2007 at 4:29 pm
The Meet-up That Wasn’t « Kimkins Exposed
[...] the recent departure of the beloved moderator Becky, how long until others begin to jump the sinking ship called [...]
In what seems like a move that defies everything the admins at Low Carb Friends has said about the Kimkins diet prominence in the Weight Loss Plans section, they’ve opened a poll with the following message from the Admin (Tom):
Although there are a lot of members discussing the Kimkins diet plan here on LCF, we want to get a feel for how many people are actually following the plan as defined by Kimmer vs. a modified version of it.
If it turns out that few people are following the official plan, we will consider dissolving the Kimkins forum threads back into the “Other Plans” forum, yet still welcome discussion about the plan there.
Please respond to this poll about your experience with the Kimkins diet plan. If you have never followed the Kimkins plan or a close variation, please do not respond to the poll.
Thank you.
The poll options include:
I follow the Kimkins plan exactly as defined by Kimmer
I follow a modified version of the Kimkins plan
I used to follow the Kimkins plan, but no longer do
If you want to see the Kimkins plan removed from the top five diets in the Weight Loss section, vote now with either “modified version” or “no longer do” the plan option!
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August 27, 2007 at 6:55 pm
Healthy LCer
I am hopeful this will happen because I don’t think anyone really does this plan as stated at LCF’s…Most tweak with Atkins OR refeeds OR add more fat..whatever..
It should be interesting, huh?
August 27, 2007 at 7:13 pm
Fluffer Nutter
I voted (that I used to follow it but no more)
August 27, 2007 at 8:44 pm
LCer
They’re just trying to cover their butts now! They bitched, moaned and complained at anyone who suggested they remove Kimkins from the top spots, claiming that enough people did Kimkins to justify the position. Then it comes out they’re advertising to bring in Kimkinistas to their “free” site so they can up sell them Netrition stuff. Now today Kimmer is busted for lying about being a CASA and the court rep wants info from anyone who sent her money for the kids. That’s rich! Now all of a sudden LCF is thinking of moving position? CYA….nothing more than that.
August 27, 2007 at 8:45 pm
Obo
You know LCF won’t let any posts within itself link to your blog anymore? Talk about friggin’ Nazis!
August 27, 2007 at 9:27 pm
cleochatra
I didn’t see an option that reads, “Because we’re a family site, do you think we should even allow for dangerous diet plans as Kimkins at LCF?”
August 27, 2007 at 10:02 pm
concerned
My thoughts exactly, cleo.
It will be interesting to see just how far and fast LCF will be running from Kimkins when some poor soul loses their life from this diet, or when the full truth about Kimmers comes out.
It’s clearly not an IF regarding the dangers of Kimkins… with so many close calls already now… it seems very likely that someone may already have died.
August 27, 2007 at 10:40 pm
fancypants
I want to reply that I did kimkins and am still suffering the effects of it and that I wonder why today, of all days, Tom grew a semblance of a conscience.
(as if everyone doesn’t know why.)
I’m beginning to even resent the members who post at that mercenary site, knowing they’re enabling him rather than holding his feet to the fire. Some don’t realize it, but some should know better, and there are two other good places to go that deserve our support. (ALC in particular has been great about allowing members to voice their reasonable opinions and not squelching the truth about dangers of Kimkins.)
August 27, 2007 at 11:30 pm
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August 28, 2007 at 12:38 am
lovinlowcarb
We can probably count on one hand (maybe two) the number of people “actually” doing Kimkins.
Most are modifying it all to pieces with Atkins cycling, upping fats & calories, adding fruit or other “Kimkin no-no’s” and even some are doing full blown carb “refeeds.”
All good stuff…but none of it “Kimkins.”
So why must those members insist on clinging to the label of “Kimkins” and why give people the impression that “Kimkins must be a good plan” if it rates having it’s own forum on the largest low carb community site?
If I was LCF, I’d definitely move those threads into “other plans” and quit promoting “Kimkins” as a plan “worthy” of its own forum…it’s not.
August 28, 2007 at 4:30 am
moo
lol cleo
I think they should have defined what “kimkins as defined by kimmer” is.
i.e “original kimkins”, “PBTB” etc.
I mean so many of them say they’re doing kimkins and adamantly defend it (can you say fluffybear), but don’t comprehend ITS NOT kimkins if you tweak it.
I think the first poster to the thread makes the point.
August 28, 2007 at 2:46 pm
concerned
I also think that it needs to be stated that maybe if LCF had not enabled Kimmer/Kimkins, perhaps the “Kimmer-stein” monster would never even have developed.
This situtation didn’t happen overnight, and as much as we would like to think that it is all because of “Kimmer’s magical/charismatic powers/lies”, alot of people who should have known better had to be “lookin’ the other way”…
September 7, 2007 at 5:02 am
Happy Kimkins Loser
So many of us are doing really well on Kimkins…….our doctors are happy, our blood work is good, we feel great, nothing else has worked for us…
DUH! The weight is coming off when it DIDN’T on other low carb diets (I’m one who has “low carbed” for years without much weight loss) and for the first time, I’m down 42 pounds!
Kimkins works……and some people, like me, do very well on it and come out healthier by far than when they started it.
Please be fair. We are NOT all alike, as you know. If I had not found Kimkins, I would be “low carbing” without weight loss still.
For quite some time now, the page with information detailing biographies of the Kimkins staff has been available to anyone visiting the site. The biography for Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) states:
Kimmer lost an amazing 198 pounds in 11 months and shared her simple secret with thousands of overweight people in various internet forums for over 5 years. In March 2006 Kimkins.com was born to facilitate spreading the word that there’s a faster way to lose weight than with traditional diets. Kimmer personally answers weight loss questions from members in the “Kimkins Cafe” forum. She earned a graduate degree in Public Administration and serves as a volunteer Court Appointed Special Advocate (CASA) for abused children.
Last week, Kimkins Dangers reported that Kimmer may not be a CASA, when they posted about information received that included “I think it’s also noteworthy that Heidi is still claiming to be a C.A.S.A. volunteer for the Riverside County courts system — but according to an administrative contact who remembers her, Heidi was a volunteer “several years ago”
Today, Kimkins Dangers has verified that Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) is not a CASA and has not been for quite some time.
They included contact information for “anyone [who] has any information as to monies sent to Kimmer for foster children (address where checks were sent, paypal account names, check endorsements [who signed the check and cashed it?]) and any other relevant info, please contact Barbara [Riverside CASA] here:
Program: Riverside Satellite
Contact Name: Barbara Hofman, Site Manager
Address: 9991 County Farm Road
City: Riverside
State: California
Zip Code: 92503
Phone: (951) 358-4305
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August 27, 2007 at 7:24 pm
Fluffer Nutter
FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD – I hope they send her to jail!
