Laura Dolson from About.com Banned at Kimkins

In a post yesterday, Kimmer Continues to Lie, “I am not Heidi”, Kimmer wrote:

The news clip me of the “diet review” done by About.com which also only parrots the anti-Kimmer blogs. No medical review. No impartiality. Hundreds of pro-Kimkins members wrote to Laura Dolson (who was impressed with their intelligence she told me), but didn’t change her review at all.

Laura Dolson, the guide for the Low Carb Diets section at About.com replied within the Kimkins forums today, her reply was removed and she was banned.

Laura Dolson wrote:

I don’t know how long this post will be up (I suspect not for long), but I wanted to take this opportunity to set the record straight regarding Kimmer’s comments about my report.

First of all, all content on About.com’s health sites goes through review.

Secondly, prior to about mid-July, I had not paid the slightest bit of attention to the “Kimkins Controversy”, but I started getting emails about whether it was a good plan, so I decided I should find out for myself. I had no investment in it one way or the other. I have given my opinion of the pros and cons of many low carb plans on my Web site. I investigated and gave an honest reporting of the diet, and my opinion about it.

After that, I had long emails with the Kimkins Public Relations Director at that time (Christin) about what were perceived to be inaccuracies in my initial report. They were issues such as whether or not Kimkins is a low fiber diet. Christin said it is not a low fiber diet because it allows foods which have fiber. I countered that since the total carb level (including fiber) is no more than 20 grams, and usually less, the fiber level must be low. That is an example of the type of discussion we had.

I was also given an invitation to visit the Kimkins site, so I was able to look for myself (which is why I am able to post this). During the conversation with Christin and my review of the site, I was only able to find two things that were inaccurate my the initial report. The first is that on some of the Kimkins plans small amounts of dairy products (yogurt and cheese) are allowed. The second is that I stated that a multi-vitamin and mineral supplement is recommended, and on the site I could only find evidence that a multivitamin is recommended. (Somewhat ironic because the Kimkins plan is even lower in minerals than in vitamins.) Since Christin assured me that somewhere on the site Kimmer did recommend a supplement that included minerals, I let that stand without comment in my update, which I wrote about 6 weeks after the initial review.

Since then I have had one email exchange with Kimmer, wherein I once again issued an invitation to correct any inaccuracies in my report. I also extend that invitation to Kimkins members reading this. However, I must say that as time goes on, I have only had further confirmation of my initial review, including a physician on the Kimkins TV news report who described it as a starvation diet.

After my first review, Kimmer asked her members to send me “proof that the diet works” (she said I wanted the emails, which was inaccurate). I did receive over 100 emails from people saying that they had lost weight, but this, of course, is not surprising. When people stop eating (or severely cut calories), they will lose weight, no doubt about it. That is not the point. During my emails with Christin, I told her of my genuine concern for her health. She assured me that she was fine – however, two months later that statement is in serious question, by her own admission. I extend my concern to all of you on the Kimkins program, especially the more severe forms. I ask you whether rapid weight loss is worth endangering your health. Is it worth muscle loss, especially heart muscle? Is it worth bone loss? You may think your health is fine, but so did Christin. How would you know? I urge you to at least take the details of what you are eating to your doctor.

I know the lure of quick weight loss is great, but your health is worth asking a lot of questions.

My very best wishes to all who read this -

Laura Dolson About.com Guide to Low Carb Diets

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October 4, 2007 at 7:37 pm

Laura Dolson from About.com Banned at Kimkins by diet.MEDtrials.info

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October 4, 2007 at 7:53 pm

Laura Dolson

Wow, that news traveled fast!!

October 5, 2007 at 12:22 am

itscloudyinhere

October 4th, 2007 at 7:53 pm
Laura Dolson:

Wow, that news traveled fast!!

I bet you didn’t know that ducks could fly that fast!

Just wanted to say thank you Laura for doing the investigation on that part and
thanks Ducky for posting it so quick!

October 11, 2007 at 10:39 pm

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October 15, 2007 at 2:30 am

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[...] Just Ducky wrote an interesting post today on Laura Dolson from About.com Banned at KimkinsHere’s a quick excerptI ask you whether rapid weight loss is worth endangering your health. Is it worth muscle loss, especially heart muscle? Is it worth bone loss? You may think your health is fine, but so did Christin. How would you know? … [...]

Keep Digging Tippytoes, Keep Digging

Tippytoes (Jeannie Baitinger) continues to enlighten Kimkins members about her theory on Ducky, theTRUTH and why Low Carb Friends is unAmerican too!

SUBJECT: Re:Question for Tippy

Tippytoes wrote:

Well, Netrition does allow it’s BB to be used to help destroy our home here. They allow members to speak freely and very unkindly, make fun of and threaten people who follow Kimkins. They even allow this hostility towards their own members who follow Kimkins. They are aware their chat admins are Ducky and The Truth and they are aware of the slander being written and promoted. They have made no efforts to discourage this behavior and in fact appear to be in favor of promoting it. They allow their members to make fun of overweight people yet they call themselves a diet support site. They still keep all Kimkins threads available for use. The “we can do what we want and you better not question it” is unreasonable and unAmerican at best. If you want to do business with this company you certainly may and you have every right to do so. But I want the truth known so others can make their own choices too.

*****

It’s clear Tippytoes has now entered into the realm of what can only be considered libel against Low Carb Friends and their admins; in addition she’s now fully within the boundaries of a lawsuit should Low Carb Friends or those admins she’s accusing decide to take the next step.

Oh, and Tippytoes, slander isn’t written, it’s verbal.

Becky Continues

Just moments ago, Becky posted a continuation of Kimkins: The Perfect Storm.

Now, a look at the professional practices of Kimkins.

Kimmer first gave out her brand of diet advice (as well as hair care and skin care tips) for years on Low Carb Friends, which garnered both followers and foes. I am not sure when the idea of her own site first began in her mind, whether it was all a carefully-laid plan, or just an opportunity too good to pass up when it arose. Judging from her track record of not sticking very long with any one thing (whether it be school or work or a relationship), I would guess that it was the latter. My conjecture is that she joined the diet site in all sincerity, hoping to lose weight like anyone else. She probably learned some things and had some initial success, but then, being Kimmer, she just couldn’t help embellishing things a bit, highlighting her successes and ignoring her failings, amplifying it more and more, becoming more extreme over time, as it began to attract some attention. Gradually, the gap between her words and her actions widened, as she could not follow through with her knowledge and intentions, but could not allow herself to back down and admit it, either.

She may have done what many of us have done —- promised herself to get back on track tomorrow, next week, next month, try to be extra strict to make up for it, only to give in to her old ways again. Her real life wasn’t working for her at all — but online she could be the best possible version of herself, everything she every dreamed of, until perhaps she came to believe it herself. The attention and approbation were too addicting.

At some point, it seems, delusion reigned supreme, and there was no backing down. As her claims became more grandiose and her polarizing presence began to dominate and draw heat more and more at the LCF forum, another member, Catherine, approached her with the idea of an ebook and a website to sell it. (Read more here.) I think it was the brass ring, the golden goose, and Kimmer/Heidi grabbed at the opportunity for . Once that thought was there, I do believe Kimmer purposely aggravated her enemies and gathered her fans even more, setting the stage for her big exit. Soon, ‘Kimmer’ flounced off in a huff, and Kimkins.com was launched as a partnership between Heidi Diaz, supposed diet guru and Catherine McDonald, tech expert.

In the early days of the Kimkins website, Kimmer seemed to have it all — a successful diet plan, satisfied customers who were easy to please, low overhead, and a competent business partner who made her ideas work. Her departure from LCF calmed down hostilities quite a bit all around, and Kimmer was left to operate her own site in her own little corner of the internet with little interference. If she had made the right moves then, Heidi/Kimmer might possibly have been able to continue on course to a legitimate business success for quite some time to come. However, because Kimmer at her core is a fraud, it was inevitable that any enterprise built on that basis would soon begin to crumble.

Kimmer was not only a fraud in her own personal claims of large, rapid weight loss, but she soon began building the business of Kimkins around fraud at virtually every level — member service, marketing, and management.

~ Fraudulent Member Service: She lied to her members about the safety and efficacy of her diet plans, leading them to believe her plans were safely based on the recognized plans of doctors such as Dr. Atkins and Dr. Stillman, while continuing to push them ever farther away from the cautions and sensible limits of those plans. She assured members it was safe, because, after all, it had worked so well for her, or so she said. She also began to be less and less available to members, despite her promised member benefit of ‘personal coaching‘. She ignored or gave inadequate and misleading answers to valid member concerns. This was because she apparently preferred to spend her energies on marketing, to keep new paying customers coming in the front door while leaving the members mostly on their own to look out for one another.

~ Fraudulent Marketing: In her marketing campaign, she lied to prospective members by spamming Craigslist with fake listings to plug Kimkins, by posting phony ‘articles’ and answers and numerous blogs for Kimkins all over the internet under various names, by promoting Kimkins with false implied celebrity endorsements specifically to target teens, and primarily by posting numerous fraudulent ’success’ stories with ‘lifted’ and photoshopped ‘before’ and ‘after’ pictures. She also made numerous claims she had no proof of or right to make, in violation of FTC regulations.

~ Fraudulent Management: Heidi/Kimmer entered into partnership with Catherine originally under false pretenses, and continued to lie to her about many things, including the source of the ‘success stories‘. It also appears that Heidi skimmed a certain part of the gross proceeds from the partnership before profits were split, by funneling income to supposed affiliate accounts which actually led back to her. It is unclear whether proper legal or tax filings were ever made, though it does not appear they were.

In matters big and small, every bit of the Kimkins enterprise was fraught with deception. It was bound to catch up to her sooner or later.

Before too long, Catherine began to have concerns about Heidi’s integrity, and backed out of the partnership. At this point, Kimmer claims to have brought in 4 other partners to finance Catherine’s buyout, but this is highly doubtful. For one thing, one of the partners she claims to have brought in at that time is Heidi Diaz, but photographic and written evidence clearly shows that Kimmer herself is Heidi Diaz. (For example, Kimmer has always acknowledged that Catherine was her partner in the beginning, and Catherine signed the original partnership agreement with Heidi Diaz.) Other names mentioned as possible ‘partners’ include Dennis Sharp (her son), Vanessa Sharp and/or Romero (Vanessa Romero is her niece), Nicki or Nikki Sharp, and Tish Diaz. It is extremely unlikely that these relatives are actually working, decision-making partners as Kimmer leads people to believe. It is possible they put up some money so Heidi could buy out Catherine; it is possible she got money from them under some other pretext; it is very possible they know little or nothing, and she is just using their names to seem like a larger and more legitimate enterprise. Nicki and later Vanessa disappeared from the “Meet Your Team’ roster some time ago, so it is possible they were based on actual people who became aware of the use of their identities, and protested it.

I have seen various things supposedly ‘written’ by some of those names and now Brad Johnson. To me. they all have the same unmistakable writing style, and are all almost surely written by Heidi herself, who freely admits to writing frequently under various male and female names. No one has ever spoken or communicated with any of them, except through Kimmer, and she trotted out the same excuses over and over as to why they were not available. (Usually they were ‘called out of town to deal with a sick father’.) Kimmer herself often spoke to me of doing all affiliate payouts and answering affiliate questions, even though she supposedly had an affiliate manager. These ‘partners’ were probably a construct that Kimmer used to pass blame, as when criticizing someone (’the partners don’t think they are getting their money’s worth’) or floating unpopular ideas (’the partners are pressing to make the fees monthly vs. lifetime membership’, which she brought up to me several times), as well as to provide other ‘identities’ under which to hide income.

In fact, there is no good reason to assume that the entity of Kimkins is anything other than Heidi Diaz sitting at her computer pumping out fraudulent marketing and picking up funds from Paypal and the mailbox, with a tech guy or two working remotely and unaware of the real situation, and paid and unpaid admins and members doing the heavy lifting on the site.

The best of businesses, with a solid business plan and an experienced team of managers would have been hard pressed to absorb the massive explosion of growth that occurred with the Woman’s World magazine feature. Kimmer only had forum helpers with very little knowledge of the true nature of the business; after all, she could not afford to bring anyone into her confidence, because she had too many secrets to hide. So, Heidi was suddenly way out of her league. She was gleeful at the funds rolling in, and foolishly thought she could continue to get away with the same type of scamming indefinitely. She was even in contact with Star magazine for another feature. Who knows? Maybe she even thought she could lose the weight, go legit, and make it work. However, her newfound success soon began to cave in on her.

Once thousands of new members hit the site and began trying to understand and apply the diet, the pressure was too heavy and all the cracks in the foundation soon began to appear. Without the personal mentoring and reinterpretation of the diets that new members had received before, the flaws and gaps in Heidi’s business soon became very evident. Many of those coming in with fresh eyes clearly saw the disparity between what was promised and what was delivered. Many clearly saw the dangers of the diet plans, all of them. Of the 40,000 or more who joined, most never even tried the diet once they actually saw it, and many who did try it did not stick with it long. Meanwhile, all the massive attention the diet was receiving reignited the souldering controversy that she thought she had left behind at LCF. However, Heidi did have two things working in her favor: the misplaced support of people like me who encouraged new members to stick with it, and the absolute sheer desperation of overweight people who had almost given up hope. For my own blindness and supporting role in it, I am sick-to-my-stomach sorry, and beg forgiveness.

At this time, Heidi seemed manic with delight over the income rolling in, and eager to spin off new ventures – more magazine and media features, merchandise, and related enterprises like the nutrition business she offered me. She could hardly be bothered with member support or complaints, and brushed off all concerns as something irrelevant, hardly worthy of her attention, even as worrisome side effects and evidences of her dishonesty mounted. Thus, the round of emails I pressed on her, with the results that we admins began to leave and express our concerns and experiences.

Our exits and warnings further precipitated a rash of blockings and bannings, as other members took up the banner and began speaking out. The business of Kimkins is now woefully in breech of the terms of their agreement with their members, who paid for lifetime membership in a healthy and safe diet followed by a woman who lost 198 lbs in 11 months and maintained it, only to be booted without warning when they complained that the diet was unsafe and the owner’s story was a lie. Members have had ‘privileges’ like private messaging and blog links in their signatures revoked, have been flamed and harangued mercilessly for any hint of breaking ranks,and have been banned without warning, redress, or refund on the vaguest pretext of ‘violation of Terms of Service’, which, like the diet plans and disclaimers, are an ever-moving target, conveniently changed after the fact.

Kimmer had it all — a million dollar website, a great staff, great member loyalty, and great future prospects. And due to great greed, arrogance, and dishonesty she threw it away.

Kimmer is now behaving like a rat backed into a corner, biting and snarling, while looking for a way of to escape unscathed. She is starting to meltdown, trying to cover her tracks and salvage what she can, leaving more of the running of things in the hands of unqualified admins. Perhaps she still thinks she can pull it off, or perhaps she is making her exit plans. As she continues to overestimate herself and underestimate her opponents, she will find, once again, that she has made a grave mistake in waiting too long.

Kimmer is a dangerous fraud, and the business of Kimkins is a dangerous fraud.

Both need to be stopped, and the sooner, the better.

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September 27, 2007 at 7:47 pm

Becky Continues by diet.MEDtrials.info

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September 27, 2007 at 7:50 pm

Mimi

A note about the timeline … correct me if I’m wrong, but from all the digging that’s been done, Kimkins.com was set up BEFORE Heidi left LCF.

She had found LCF fertile ground for cultivating a crop of victims, but couldn’t harvest them until (according to the CreditBoard) her bankruptcy and other liens had “timed off.”

In the meantime, she was getting the website ready. When the time-off date had passed, that’s when she left LCF and started charging money for memberships.

This is, to the best of my knowledge, the REAL timeline.

September 27, 2007 at 8:01 pm

Celebrity » Becky Continues

[...] admin wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptKimmer first gave out her brand of diet advice (as well as hair care and skin care tips) for years on Low Carb Friends, which garnered both followers and foes. I am not sure when the idea of her own site first began in her mind, … [...]

September 27, 2007 at 8:10 pm

Becky/Littlebit

I believe that Kimkins.com as a domain name was registered in April. 2006, the big flail-up happened in late May or early June, with site launch very shortly after.

Catherine or Martin would know more.

September 27, 2007 at 8:21 pm

Mimi

Yes I’m confusing registration of the domain, with opening the board. What I mean is, basically, she was laying the groundwork for the board, preparing, and building up to her dramatic exit from LCF.

As one of the other commenters has stated elsewhere, Heidi isn’t mentally ill — she’s simply evil, and she knows exactly what she’s doing. She’s fully aware of her intentions and her actions, fully capable of outcome-based behaviors.

September 27, 2007 at 9:54 pm

Tam (Kimkins refugee)

Becky (assuming you come back to this blog), after the WW article, was it ever *confirmed* that over 35,000 new members actually paid the life-time membership fee? Confirmed by anyone other than Kimmer, I should say. Did you have access to those types of figures, names and numbers?

I was a member there at the time and, yes, it was mind-boggling with the flood of new members, but close to 40,000? I’ve always had trouble believing that figure. If that’s really the case, the vast majority of them obviously didn’t stick around to post in the forums.

Don’t get me wrong. I don’t doubt YOU, Becky. But I can see how Kimmer would exaggerate the numbers just, as you said, “to seem like a larger and more legitimate enterprise.”

If the 40,000 figure is anywhere close to accurate … where are all these people? Those of us protesting here, at ALC, LCF, etc. are just the tip of the iceberg.

September 27, 2007 at 10:19 pm

Princess Dieter

It would be interesting to know when Kimmer-Heidi’s son turned legal age. Maybe THAT is what she was waiting for, since she put the site under his name. If the son turned 18 Spring of 2006, that would definitely put the motivation there…

(Can a 17 yeard old have a site registered under their name? I have no idea.)

And I totally believe she’d be going to LCF to gather her following before heading off.

The Princess

September 27, 2007 at 10:45 pm

antikimkins

Kimmer certainly doesn’t appear to be a millionaire, in fact, she still seems to have money problems. I wonder out of the thousands who joined after the WW article, how many requested refunds within that 24 hour block?

September 27, 2007 at 11:20 pm

Becky/Littlebit

Kimmer canceled the 24- hour refund policy prior to the magazine feature. She did give out some refunds from those who joined and cited kidney problems or other medical concerns, once they saw the diet, but very few.

I cannot prove those figures are accurate, but i would not be at all surprised if the membership numbers are not actually higher now.

I know how busy i was. I saw the posts rolling through there. At one time, I had access to member service emails, and she was getting literally thousands of emails a day. I was getting scores of PMs, as were many others. We had thousands online at a time, and hundreds posting intros and joining new challenges every day.

She also became suddenly very elated, and became much more willing to pay for help.

I imagine many signed up, looked at the diets, and left quickly, chalking it up to an expensive lesson learned. Most were not a typical online crowd. Quite a few lurked, but did not post. Many posted, but have dropped out now. Many have gotten banned, or cowed into silence. Still, they paid, and she kept the money.

She only took the membership and online numbers down when she began drawing too much fire from LCF, Slamboard, etc. I believe she wanted to reduce speculation into her gross profits once people started doing the math.

I have heard people say that they would look online and not see many people there back then. Perhaps they were not looking in the right places, because that was not at all the case then. The way the site was set up, the number reflected on a forum index page did not reflect the number actually viewing threads within that particular forum, but only the number of people looking at that index page at the time. You would have to open each thread to get a full count.

Only she knows for sure what her full intake was, but I have reason to believe it was quite high.

She told me she had only put back into the business what was absolutely necessary, and had the rest invested at a 10% rate of return. Who knows if that is true?

I do not believe she planned this out years in advance. I think she posted at LCF first for ego and power, and only later for money. I just don’t see her as someone who can sustain hard work for long without some kind of a payoff, but rather as an opportunist. I could be wrong. Time will tell.

September 28, 2007 at 2:04 am

Tam (Kimkins refugee)

Thank you, Becky, for that insight. I guess I’ve been hoping for lower numbers because that would mean fewer people were scammed, but it looks like she really was/is raking in the big bucks. Thanks again.

September 28, 2007 at 2:47 am

Dottie

Becky that’s very insightful. I also do not think that this giant “venture” was on her mind when she started out on LCF. Looking back on when she left, I really think she was planning on just getting $$ out of maybe a couple of dozen of her “fans” off LCF, then shutting the site down due to lack of funds (or hitting the members up for more $$ to “run” it).
I don’t really think she had any idea that it would take off in the big way that it did.

September 28, 2007 at 7:15 am

Princess Dieter

I totally believe there was a windfall from WW. That kind of coverage is sure to do that.

And I’m sure H/K knew to keep the money inflow quiet and the lifestyle discreet so as to keep all sorts off her back. Spending oodles would have drawn attention, I think. There is also the miser phenomenon where accumulating the money is the kick, not spending it. In fact, spending it reduces the pleasure of actually having a hoard.

Even if it’s half the reported 40K, that’s a lot of mookah going mostly to ONE woman who is hardly accountable. She got the Paypal and the checks. Why should she be truthful about how much when she’s not truthful about the rest?

And if she can offer Christian a car, then 100K for an Oprah brass ring, trust me, that means she had to have a nice, tidy reserve.

It would only have taken 10K members after WW to get 600K. And if that’s not reported or paid taxes on, that’s a nice chunk for any “disabled” person on government dole.

Didn’t someone say that the son bragged mom had a million in Paypal? (Can’t verify where that came from. Just remember reading it.)

The Princess

September 28, 2007 at 8:31 am

Sherrie

I think you’re right Becky.

September 30, 2007 at 8:12 pm

Peaches12

Why did all the admin. wait until the same time to quit. If you knew the diet was dangerous why did you continue to state otherwise, was it just the money that kept you going. I’m so confused, I continue to do Kimkins but with a higher fat intake since my body stalled and the increase intake helped it to lose quicker. How could so many been individual’s lifes have been put in jeopardy for merely a paycheck. Can you answer that, Becky?

Kimkins Member Edits Journal

A long time member of Kimkins recently had some fun trying to get the word out to others about the controversy within the Kimkins Forums. Rather than post to ban in a blaze of glory, she started revising her journal with little messages replacing her former posts. It worked for days as the revisions remained under the radar of the admins at Kimkins.

Here are snippets of her warnings to those reading:

I feel HAD
we were in OZ and the curtain has been pulled back

Siggy: anyone had enough of the crazyness on this forum yet?

Re:MEMBER Marathon Quest
anyone starting to fell like this place is getting REALLY crazy ??

I feel like the curtain has been pulled back in the wizard of oz

Siggy: anyone had enough of the crazyness on this forum yet?

Re:MEMBER Marathon Quest
when will it end?

Siggy: anyone had enough of the crazyness on this forum yet?

Re:MEMBER Marathon Quest
how many people will be banned from this web site ?

Siggy: anyone had enough of the crazyness on this forum yet?

MEMEBER Marathon Quest
all kimmmers ever had to do was stand up and be recognized

Siggy: anyone had enough of the crazyness on this forum yet?

Anyone else feeling like they’ve been HAD?
enough with the lies about sitting around with the boys around the breakfast table

Siggy: anyone had enough of the crazyness on this forum yet?

Anyone else feeling as though they’ve been HAD?
a little weird to still be posting about the foster kids isn’t it ?

thought that jig was up

Siggy: anyone had enough of the crazyness on this forum yet?

Re:Anyone else feeling as though they’ve been HAD?
this is funny – guess there is no longer anyone around censoring the posts… is it now just an empty shell on autopilot?

Siggy: anyone had enough of the crazyness on this forum yet?

Re:Anyone else feeling as though they’ve been HAD?
is there ANYONE here who has been here longer than a month ??

I see NO old timers – not a single one .

Siggy: anyone had enough of the crazyness on this forum yet?

*****

Then poof, the thread was deleted, shortly after the member was banned.

Oh Jeanessa, Kimmer’s Mad at You, You Naughty Girl!

A member posted on the Kimkins Chatter & PM thread,

I don’t really care about all the craziness on the net but what I would like to know is how our email addresses were given out to someone names Jeanessa. I like my privacy.

Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) replied,

My former business partner, Catherine MacDonald, took backup copies of all data before she left a year ago, which sounds like theft to me. [Ducky wonders about all this theft talk lately?]

It’s my understanding she has posted in her blog (or her husband’s) that she would make the names/Paypal email addresses of members during her partnership available to anyone, any attorney. She is mad she was not a partner when the magazine cover came out. She was a partner from April-September 2006.

Sweet, huh? Again I ask — raise your hand if you want to be business partners with Catherine. And she wonders why I didn’t trust her?

Her website is Simply Brilliant Solutions Ltd. – Web Design and Development for Your Small Business. – Home (not really LOL) and her email is xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx his e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it if anyone would like to share their opinion of her broadcasting their Paypal email address to the public. [Ducky wonders, how does Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) know Martin has an email protection enabled on his account?]

Jeanessa is a banned Kimkins member who is very busy wreaking her revenge

Oops, There Goes Another One

Last night, a member posted this before fleeing the goodship lollypop Kimtanic,

“This may not be very popular right now but I didn’t just want to disappear without explanation or warning. If you’re not interested in the why then don’t read any further. I can no longer give validation or credibility to a place that now engages and encourages in the exact same behaviors that they once derided others for. Encouraging the flaming of others and the banning of members and editing & deleting of posts…. I have a problem with all of these things and they’re happening here. It’s not just people coming here to cause trouble that are being banned and edited either. I, personally feel that everyone here should be concerned about censorship.

I saw the thread where GlamGirl was flamed before she was banned and her posts deleted. Her posts did not deserve the response she got. What she said may have bothered some but she put it in the proper thread and I thought she was just adding her own point of view. She was treated absolutely horribly. An Admin even joined in. That just made it worse. It was like it was now ok to be rude to someone who doesn’t totally agree with you. It was like the car accident you just can’t look away from. What the heck happened to people here? There was just so much nastiness being spewed but OUR members.

This forum is suffering an overuse of the ban button these days. Editing and deleting posts is also going on way, way too much. A member had asked for help on what I can’t recall but I remember the reply because I was interested in the answer. The member who’s answer I was interested in posted a link with more info on “refeeding”. The link did go to a specific post on a thread in the LCF forum. I followed the link and wound up reading the whole thread. The info was very helpful and there was no anti-Kimkins sentiment or bashing on there. It was banned simply because it was a link to LCF and a group there is the reason for a lot of the trouble now, so deleting anything with a link to their forum should be perfectly understandable. What!? I DON’T THINK SO! Read the new TOS. Do you all realize that we’re not supposed to put links in our posts anymore. There are a lot of websites that want you to link to their page and NOT cut & paste. So, what, we here just miss out on info because it might come from a site that an Admin doesn’t like?

I didn’t read about this happening to somebody on some other site. I *saw* it happen… here. Both thing happened very close to each other and there have been a whole bunch of red flags, large & small. “Controversy” aside. This is more than enough for me.

I wish all of you the best in life and your continued success with losing weight. I don’t want to leave you all but I just can’t ignore what is going on elsewhere on this very site and only post here. Our safe haven *is* controlled by someone else. Some of you have my e-mail if you wish to use it to keep in touch or perhaps you may find me over at Jimmy Moore’s forum. I truly hope that I have not offended anyone. I am not giving up, just moving….”

Another One Bites the Dust

Another Kimkins member posts before fleeing the Kimpire,

My dear friends,

This is Farewell for me…………I will not be posting on the kimkins website anymore. I cannot in good conscience belong to this site anymore. I have been reading other websites although I have NEVER posted on another site, nor given communications from this site to ANYONE. I am not a mole. And how sad it is that I feel I have to say that! I have just become increasingly disillusioned with kimkins……..and it has affected my weight loss, so I feel I need to end this chapter and start anew, on more of an atkins diet.

Having read whats out there, I am 99.99% positive that those pictures of the extremely overweight woman are of Kimmer. Kimmer IS Heidi Diaz, and its laughable to claim they are 2 different people. Many of you say you do not care how heavy Kimmer is. But I ask you this: do you care that you’ve been lied to? Do you care that she is dishonest? How can you trust anything she says, after this? I have many health concerns about this diet. Kimmer says there is not a “starvation mode”, that people’s metabolisms will NOT be shot after following an extreme low-calorie diet. Many other people say otherwise. AND SINCE KIMMER IS SO OBESE, I WORRY THAT SHE SHOT HER OWN METABOLISM AND WAS UNABLE TO KEEP THE WEIGHT OFF. For those of you staying on kimkins, since I care so much for you, please, please, be pro-active in your own healthcare. Do not trust Kimmer. Do not trust your own doctor, who probably never in his/her life took a medical course on safe weight loss. Read, read, read. And make your own decisions. Gall bladder. I PM’ed Kimmer early on and asked her about gall bladders…….she told me “low-fat doesn’t cause gall bladder problems.”…….umm, that’s not what I’ve been reading elsewhere. I can’t trust anything she says now. Thyroid problems from a very low-cal diet? Those are permanent. Hair loss? WHY IS KIMMER BALD?? I would like to know the answer to that question, and yes I think it is relevant. Kimkins dieting causing eating disorders? I ask all of you to watch yourselves and make sure that you are not being overly obsessive about what you eat. “How low can you go.” That is NOT healthy!!!!

People are being “banned” left and right for seemingly minor infractions………posts are being rapidly deleted and journals are being “sanitized.” This is not what I signed up for.

XXXXX, the last straw for me is that “WWWWW” HAS BEEN BANNED! Can you believe that?? She posted an almost-suicidal, despairing note, XXXXX and others wrote her back full of love and support, and SHE WAS BANNED. That broke my heart…….how cruel and selfish are these people!! She doesn’t know why she was banned. Is the thread even still there? I can’t remember where it was.

This post will probably be deleted soon……..I will email this post to all of you whom I have email addresses for…..I do not want you to think I just disappeared one day without a trace…..then, I will not bother you again. To all my dear, dear, dear friends: Good Luck on your weight loss journeys. I KNOW we will all reach goal. Take care of yourselves, and above all, stay healthy. This is not a race. Maybe some day, after I’ve had some time off from these message boards, I will see some of you over at YYYY forums or ZZZZ forums……….
LOVE YOU ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kimkins is Toxic

The Kimkins forums can only, at this point in time, be called toxic.

Last night’s display of unbridled rage underscored the growing anger Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) feels as the truth is seeping out for all to see. In what many speculate was a drunken tear by Kimmer, under the guise of a new user name, members were given front row seats to really see how the once supportive forum is damaged beyond repair, how the environment reeks with hate toward anyone speaking the truth, including those members who remain within the site.

Members who paid for membership, who paid for access, who paid for a supportive environment online are finding themselves in the crosshairs; targets to be attacked at any hint they question the plans, the founder or their own experience within the forums. Members asking questions or offering up suggestions for improvement are quickly derided, dismissed and declared unworthy to be among the true believers, told to leave and go elsewhere if they won’t behave and blindly regurgitate the party-line.

When a member asked about calorie limits, Wonderwoman replied,

What limits? What are you talking about? Why not call your doctor if you’re so scared? Or if you’re not doing Kimkins then go away?

My cousin had RouxY gastric reconstruction for obesity and she ate less than anybody here. What’s the danger? What are you afraid of? If you do Weight Watchers with frozen tv dinners you’re healthy? Aren’t they loaded to the gills with carbs? Yeah. Nutritious.

When another member openly suggested a listing of potential health risks and side effects for new members, after reading Deni’s blog entry, her intentions were questioned by admin tarvosK,

I would like to ask the original poster what the purpose of posting this blog entry was? Is there some reason for posting yet more negativity about the plan?

Did this person have success on the plan? It appears so and then they left for whatever reason, as is their right. However I have to wonder about people that involve themselves in something like KK and then when they have gotten the results they wanted, go running off and start bashing it to the rest of the world. It seems to me that there is just something very odd about that, but then I have never been one to really follow the pack that much anyway, so I won’t be running off anywhere to tell people how evil and life threatening this plan is.

Notice tarvosK avoids the issue, potential health risks, and focuses back to fast weight loss as ideal and suggests those who have fled the site and are speaking out have alterior motives, according to him, there is no danger with Kimkins diet plans.

When yet another member dared to suggest posting potential side effects for new members to read and understand, admin Tippytoes stepped to admonish her with,

I am curious since I see you posting the possibility of negativity and doubt across the boards today… What does YOUR Doctor think?

Another member had the audacity to ask about carbohydrate intake after attending a class on nutrition, being told women require 100 grams of carbohydrate each day. Rather than explain gluconeogenesis or point her to articles about meeting glucose requirements while following a low carb diet, she was told by Wonderwoman,

If you’re in danger from not eating carbs, shouldn’t be you at the emergency room? On life support? Or crawling along in weight loss because you really wanted to add carbs and have given yourself permission under a self induced guise? Sign up for the group “yeah I did Kimkins and didn’t lose”.

These examples, and others we could provide, clearly highlight how dysfunctional the site now. Such abuse of members is not only tolerated, but expected; not only from admins, but between member to member.

It is a place where only those emotionally damaged souls really want to stay and want to remain so they can continue to feed on the punishment.

No emotionally healthy person will tolerate such abuse daily, nor willingly continue to remain so they can witness such abuse directed at others. Within Kimkins there is an illness, a sickness so prevalent and contagious, so toxic; an emotional dysfunction so damaging it makes the diet plans look sane.

Ban Button Happy SingingLass

Over at theTRUTH we are provided more insights on the banning of paid members at the Kimkins forums,
SingingLass wrote:

Reesie has not posted anything negative directly on this site….BUT, she is over at LCF, and today she was giving people the stats of when Kimmer was last on, posted, and all that….so, is doing “mole” activities.

I have not banned her as of yet, thought I would run it by the two of you first.

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That particular private message speaks of the continued surveillance of paid members of Kimkins when they post on forums outside the Kimkins forums. Yes, they’re watching you if you’re a member of Kimkins and if they’ve figured out who you are elsewhere!

Also, theTRUTH’s post includes an exchange between the admin Lasttime4me and Kimmer. You can read that here

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September 24, 2007 at 4:56 pm

ban kimmer

I just love the fact that this guy is one of the authorities on the site but he doesn’t know what’s on the diet? That’s flipping hilarious! Wat to go. Also do they not realize that “computer problems/will be fixed in a week” is Heidi speak for, I can’t long on cuz I am packing so STOP pming me. Wow.

September 24, 2007 at 5:14 pm

Me

No, she wants emails instead of PM’s so that they don’t keep getting posted.

Paranoid some Hidey?

September 24, 2007 at 8:19 pm

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September 24, 2007 at 10:24 pm

WOW

who ithe hell would want to pay for a site where they go around the internet and try to find you on other sites to spy on you???….Paranoid much..Geeezus!

Getting to Know tarvosK

While most of the admins at Kimkins find working for or with a charlatan not only offensive, but carries potential legal liabilities, some dig their heels in and are staying for the ride.Today we’ll get to know one such admin, tarvosk. In real life he’s Vincent (Vince), born March 8th, 1961, so he’s not someone who is young and naive here. He resides in Traverse City, Michigan with his fiance Darlene (Kimkins user name Kaiala).

He’s unemployed and has been for years, despite receiving employment offers to make him a gainfully employed member of society. Instead he spends much of his time idling away in classes at Northwestern, taking an occassional gig to make some money rather than work full-time.He’s quite a character too. Weighing 408 pounds in recent posts, he’s actually abandon eating the low calorie Kimkins diet, much preferring the quick and convenient food that’s available for grab and go as he visits his fiance in the hospital.

Not only that, he likens himself to a dominant in a submissive-dominant relationship and considers his fiance his property, unworthy and inferior to him.Yes, his fiance, who weighs 367 pounds, is in the hospital with kidney complications from an infection. Of course he insists it cannot be related to the diet they’ve been following all this time, K/E, which is very low calorie, very low in nutrients and thus lower immunity to infections. That he refuses to see the connection between her diet and her health problems speaks volumes about his belief he is superior and knows better than she. Still, let’s not forget, it’s worth noting again, he abandon the diet himself. Kimmer is truly culling the bottom these days if she is resorting to using admins with such penchant for domination over others. Though, it seems such thinking must be a pre-requisite these days at Kimkins since members continue to ask questions and keep waking up to the fact that Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) is a liar.

This tarvosK admin should know he may be implicated in criminal and/or civil charges should he remain a loyal servant of Kimmer. And that of course is the real irony here, he is her servant, doing her dirty work, blindly obeying her commands. Ain’t life grand?

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September 24, 2007 at 5:27 pm

La Mesa

Funny he is supposed to be the ‘dominate one’ in his relationship….and yet…somehow…..he ends up being Heidi’s bitch!

September 24, 2007 at 5:47 pm

ban kimmer

Son of a bitch La Mesa! I was drinking when I read that. You are an ass! In the best possible way that is Holy crap that was some funny shit right there!

September 24, 2007 at 5:48 pm

doggygirl

Good one La Mesa!

Whew. If T’s partner has TRULY and WILLINGLY chosen a particular lifestyle, then ……enjoy…..I guess. If K is NOT willingly choosing this…then….. Wow. It’s so hard to tell (IMO) with the whole dominant / submissive lifestyle thing because from many miles away, who knows whether the submissive is choosing this or not – REALLY. But there is little doubt that T is submitting to Kimmer…..

Mean time, if K wants out of this thing with T, I hope she somehow asks for help from her hospital bed. There are just no words for this stuff….

At [url=http://doggygirl.wordpress.com]Doggygirl’s Dog House[/url] I am taking nominations for NEXT person to go into the dog house. Feel free to stop by and nominate T or somebody else. By the way…the actual DOGS in the dog house eat really, really well. Visit my blog to see what the people in the dog house get to eat!

DG

September 24, 2007 at 5:53 pm

Me

LOL @ LaMesa! Being Heidi’s bitch is good practice for later when he will be Bubba’s bitch in jail!

September 24, 2007 at 6:06 pm

Kim

LaMesa that is a classic!

How can something not click when you’re lying in a hospital bed with kidney complications? I’m pretty sure the hospital isn’t letting her follow the Kimkins plan while she’s in there….which should tell her something.

September 24, 2007 at 6:12 pm

Tam (Kimkins refugee)

It doesn’t surprise me that one of Kimmer’s top administrators doesn’t follow her diet …. look at Kimmer. She doesn’t either! And for that matter, neither does Tippy! Or that Othlia person.

In fact, does ANYBODY in administration over there follow the Kimkins WOE?

September 24, 2007 at 6:37 pm

The Princess Dieter

Tam, I am guffawing. It’s so true. None of the toppers are doing Kimkins! How funny is that? They’re fighting so hard to protect the plan, and they’re not even on the plan.

SNARF!!!

The Princess

September 24, 2007 at 7:09 pm

Reingold

Does Kimmer have anyone on staff that isn’t a societal deviant at this point?

SingingLass doesn’t pay her student loans and like Kimmer, laughs about it. She thinks she’s a psychic too?

tarvosK is some prevert.

Tippytoes is complete scum.

Kimmer is a fat obese blubber-butt peddling diet advice she herself can’t follow?

Did I miss anyone?

September 24, 2007 at 7:14 pm

wifezilla

Hey! Some of my best friends are social deviants….but they are not lairs or thieves or other form of scumbag like Kimmer and TT. Stop insulting the mentally interesting by comparing them to Heidi and her henchmen!

September 24, 2007 at 8:16 pm

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September 24, 2007 at 8:17 pm

too bad kimmer

How do we know SingingLass doesn’t pay her student loans?

September 24, 2007 at 8:40 pm

The Princess Dieter

As someone who loved her college years and who values education for all sorts of reasons, and who wants the colleges and universities of this fine nation to thrive and be the best they can be, I surely can say that loan scoffers piss me off big time.

It’s abusive. Someone always has to pay. Student loan skippers leave ALL THE REST OF US to pay.

May they get really bad hemorrhoids…the lot of them…and never be able to sit in peace.

So there.
The Princess has spoken…make it so!

September 24, 2007 at 8:52 pm

Kim

I am right there with you on that one Princess! I work w/ attorneys who have skipped out on their loans, or defer, defer, defer. It makes me sick! We pay extra every month just to try to get them paid off!!! And together, we’re not making what these attorneys are.

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September 24, 2007 at 10:09 pm

Singinglass

I do pay my student loans, and my taxes. Please try not to make assumptions. I also am following the kimkins plan…with the approval of two different doctors. So yes, there are admins following the plan.

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Where is the pound a day promise with your weight loss Lassie?

September 25, 2007 at 1:18 pm

JenX

That guy sounds DISGUSTING. Gross.
Then again they all do–birds of a feather. Of course in this case the birds are vultures.

September 26, 2007 at 4:33 pm

LDub

OK, it just gets better about Tarvosk…. he just posted on KK that he and his fiance are practicing Wiccan’s… which to mere mortals means…. they both think they are witches! Oh, it just keeps ketting weirder and weirder over there!

Public Reason to Ban Versus Private Reason

If fifilarue, a banned Kimkins member, is wondering what happened, here you go:

Username fifilarue

Banned YES

Ban Type chat/forum

Ban ending time

YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM 2025-09-13 14:56:37

Public Reason

Viewable Public reason of ban

Tos Violation

Private Reason

Admin Viewable Private reason of ban: Visit theTRUTH for the reason!

SingingLass the Sycophant

If wanna_be_thin wonders why she was banned so quickly at Kimkins, here you go:

SingingLass wrote:

Just a wierd post by this one in the cafe titles ” First Ammendment” and a one-liner statement I will post below. Maybe didn’t say much, but the intent is pretty obvious.

first ammendment 2 Minutes ago

Allegations that diet is unsafe and there is a class action lawsuit.

Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) wrote:

Ban her and I’ll kick her off.

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Read more at theTRUTH.

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For your learning pleasure,

Sycophant
In modern English, the term has come to mean one who seeks to please people in positions of authority or influence in order to gain power themselves, usually at the cost of pride, principles, and peer respect.

More Admin Private Messages Exposed

From theTRUTH and their undercover operations!

In response to a member’s unhappiness with having posts/PMs at kimkins copied elsewhere:

Kimmer wrote:

HAND TO GOD I never repeated anything you said to me, anything you wrote to me. Not to Becky (we haven’t talked in 2.5 months). I had NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!

Haven’t talked to Becky in 2.5 months? Not according to all the previous Admins involved in that famous exchange of emails in August!

I would never, ever suspect you of anything. I am VERY UPSET that someone betrayed your trust and would stoop to something like this.

We are getting offers for “volunteer” admins from everywhere now. I’m not adding anybody. I feel horrible JUST HORRIBLE about this. What’s worse is I can’t make this up to you. I can’t “fix” it.

If you remember from PMs, there’s an “admin” feature and you CAN read other PMs. I don’t, that’s like reading someone’s diary in my book — but we had admins resign recently who seem to be double agents. [Scoble?] [Pretty Paula?]

When tech support comes on I’m going to ask that Admin feature be disabled for PMs for everyone, but that won’t help in your situation.

Meanwhile, for ultimate privacy, email me directly at webmaster@kimkins.com. No one reads those but me. I feel sooooo bad.

Scoble? PrettyPaula? Guess not. Keep trying.

That member responded, and then Kimmer replied again.

Kimmer wrote:

. . .I got the tech guys to figure out how to turn off “admin mode” for PMs and they did, so now no one can read anyone’s PMs. Too late for you, but better than nothing.

I feel badly about this. Don’t worry about me, I’ve been fighting the anti-Kimmer for almost 10 years.

:kiss:
K.

PLEASE NOTE: All these PMs (and those to follow) were read and copied by using “Admin Mode” AFTER Kimmer so earnestly and sweetly told this “useful” member that “Admin Mode” allowing admins to read all PMs had been turned off. I’ll post more on this tomorrow.

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Re:Nice Try

maureen61 wrote:

Enough already!

I just wanted to stop by and thank you for defending the site actions on this seemingly never ending trail of postings about the deletion of a journal. Please make everyone play nicely. The negativity is really having an impact. I have always relied on this site to keep me upbeat……not feeling it so much anymore. Your energy, on the other hand, is quite refreshing.

SingingLass wrote:

Thank you hun. I have now locked that thread because the conversation was not moving forward, but rather the same couple of people kept trying to stir things/ ignore the explanations that were honestly provided. No reason to allow things to be negative or build in that direction. We are doing our best to keep this a safe place, and I am really sorry that things are a bit edgy at the moment. All of this should blow over eventually though.

::hugs:: ~ del

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September 19, 2007 at 7:24 pm

OddManOut

I thought kimmer or one of her minions posted a long time back that she did not have time to read all her emails so she had someone else doing it.

September 19, 2007 at 7:25 pm

wow

Dear Heidi,

Please refrain from using my name while spreading your lies and deception.

Thank you,
God

September 19, 2007 at 7:28 pm

Scoble

Heheeeee—–Heidi no double agent here….LOL….try again my dear. I just read your PMs to figure out who the REAL you is and I SURE found out too! The Kimpire is crumbling isn’t it? And you have no clue where the moles are to exterminate ‘em…….heheeeeeee.

September 19, 2007 at 7:43 pm

Kim

Is anybody else getting a good laugh from thinking of Heidi’s expression anytime anybody knocks on her door?

September 19, 2007 at 10:39 pm

katinsac

If you remember from PMs, there’s an “admin” feature and you CAN read other PMs. I don’t, that’s like reading someone’s diary in my book —

Heidi…the above is a blaitant (sp) lie!! You read my PMs in June and even sent me a PM where you made comments in reference to it…however, you again tried to say you “would never do that” but quoted things that were only in the PM!!

Hopefully, soon, you will have time to write your own diary!!

September 20, 2007 at 12:00 am

Ginger

Does anyone know what forum software they use? I know that vBulletin does NOT have an option to read PMs, though it can be intentionally hacked to allow it. I install forum software as part of my job, and I’m not aware of any forum software that has a built in option to read PMs. I could be wrong, I just have never seen it. I believe they DO read them, but her comments would lead you to believe it’s a normal admin function. It’s not normal. I’m also aware of another website that got into a lot of legal trouble over reading PMs, since there was no disclosure that PRIVATE Messages could or would be accessed, and privacy was implied as it is with email.

Getting to Know SingingLass

SingingLass is yet another staunchly loyal admin at Kimkins. Since it’s apparent she has no plans to leave the sinking ship today, we thought we’d add her profile at this time.

SingingLass’ name is Delaney. She’s frequented many message boards prior to joining Kimkins. In fact, she was a prolific poster at Low Carb Friends until a few months ago. Her last post in that forum was June 26, 2007.

Yesterday she scurried around the internet editing content of posts made back in 2002 when she started posting online and happened to reveal a tragedy in her teen years. We are not making light of this incident, but are including it only to show that she is well aware of what she is currently doing inside Kimkins and that her past posts remain fair game in all this.

The cache of her original posts remains. It may help explain her pathology in all of this with Kimkins. We’ve included it for accuracy, not entertainment and are truly sorry she had to experience such a violation in her youth.

While she’s singing the praises of Kimkins these days, she has had health complications while on the diet.

Well, despite how little I have been eating….not only did I not lose anything the last four days, but it shows me as being a pound up. ::sniffle::

I have been really sluggish today…got up for a couple hours then fell back asleep at noon for almost another four, and STILL feel tired. My legs are also very sore, at first I was what the….then remembered I spent several hours sitting in a folded kneel position yesterday while putting together the photo board. Headachey too. I guess just everything that has been going on and rushing around, lack of sleep ect……would have felt better if I had seen some weight loss though.

In a hair forum online she was scolded by the moderators for her unbelievable advice about hair loss.

But, what we find rather amusing is that in her profile she includes among her occupation(s) ‘Psychic Consultant’, which may explain her rather bizarre rants in private messages and private admin forum posts with Kimmer.

There you have it, some history on the one and only SingingLass who is quick to ban and remains at Kimkins. As we have for the other admins, we’re issuing a reminder that remaining on staff with Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) may be considered aiding and abetting.

Perhaps you should leave now SingingLass?

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For those wondering, yes, we are working on profiles for each of the remaining admins.

Unless of course they jump outta there before we get to post the profile!

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EDITED to remove textual context of sites SingingLass is deleting content from. If one wants to read the cache it is here, but it a tragedy for any teen girl.

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September 19, 2007 at 8:13 pm

Kim

I’m not discounting anything she’s gone through in her past – it sounds horrible. But it seems obvious by her own words that she wants/needs to feel needed and Heidi is undoubtedly giving her what she needs in that category. We all know Heidi could care less about her and is just using her…hopefully she’ll see this and realize that it’s time to leave.

September 19, 2007 at 8:20 pm

Singinglass

1. Posting someone’s tragedy like that, let alone something that occurred to a child… as a form of entertainment is down right low, wrong, if not sick. That has nothing to do with any of this or kimkins. Shame on anyone associated with someone who would stoop to such measures.

2.The post taken out of context about not eating much…was because my grandmother had just passed away and I was GRIEVING, and staying with family where low carb choices were limited. The photo board mentioned was constructed for my grandmother’s memorial.

3. That hair board thing was actually some post someone else made copying what was put up here at kimkins exposed, which was a twisted version of my original post on kimkins that was taken out of context .

While you are at it, how about drag around through the mud that I have two degrees after putting myself through college, and am a formally trained opera singer. I am sure people will find lots of fault there.

To anyone who uses my childhood experiences as entertainment, humor, or message board fodder…please think of your own daughters, sisters…mothers, your own experiences, and how you would feel for them to be put on display in such a callous manner. Regardless of what is going on with kimkins, I would hope and think that others out there would agree that is no where appropriate and request it be removed and kept out of this.

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Delaney, you should be fully aware we did not include the cached copy of your words for entertainment. The Kimkins situation is not entertainment, it is fraud and you are aiding and abetting a criminal in her enterprise. That’s a felony. Think about it.

We are sorry for what happened to you as a teen.

September 19, 2007 at 8:36 pm

Singinglass

Additionally….I just wanted to add, that the post being displayed detailing childhood experiences and PTSD was over five years ago during a difficult time. For anyone concerned, I have long since dealt with those issues, and am at present very content with myself and my life….in fact, I am very proud of the things I have accomplished for myself against those kind of odds. I still however think, using that kind of information in this context is wrong and is a violation of anyone who has had experiences of that nature.

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Are you proud of your work at Kimkins?

Are you proud of how you’re treating members who paid good money to be there?

Are you proud you’re aiding and abetting a criminal?

Are you proud you too may be indicted for your role in this situation?

September 19, 2007 at 8:39 pm

too bad kimmer

SingingLass when you join with fraud and help to commit a felony, EVERYTHING about you gets known to the world. That is how things work. If you don’t think that the prosecutor is going to pull this stuff up and use it on you, then you are terribly naive. Please leave the fraud behind so you don’t go to jail too. Make no mistake about it what Heidi has done is a felony.

September 19, 2007 at 8:39 pm

Kim

Uh, SingingLass – first of all, I don’t know if anybody was laughing and secondly, YOU posted it on a public chat room on the internet…any expectation of privacy there was gone long ago.

AND you should be ashamed of yourself, regardless of your past, in backing and continuing to assist a crook like Heidi in what she is doing. Did the “yelling” at a 14 year old girl who obviously had an ED bring out the same response in you? No, you kept defending Heidi, the site and that WOE.

So while you rant about how what was posted has nothing to do with Kimkins, half of what you posted has nothing to do with it either. Your education and training have nothing to do with posting what you do on that site.

I personally was on a post with you when you gave out advice to someone asking about an ulcer and told them to eat the yogurt to coat their stomach. Your degrees aren’t in medicine because any dr. would cringe at that advice.

You need to wake up and realize what’s going on and quit defending a crook…you will go down with her for doing her dirty work and the judge won’t care about your past…just about what you’ve done to further Heidi and her scams. You are her puppet and it’s so sad that you don’t even realize it. Take 2 minutes and step back from the situation, you’ll see it for yourself.

September 19, 2007 at 8:43 pm

Harlow

U guys r ridiculous. Give it up.KImmer rox. And she will be posting new pics and adding a webcam.
So bite it.

September 19, 2007 at 8:47 pm

Concerned about kimkins

“am a formally trained opera singer.”

Guess this gives new music to “It ain’t over till the fat lady sings?”

September 19, 2007 at 8:47 pm

Concerned about kimkins

I meant meaning. Oops

September 19, 2007 at 8:47 pm

Becky/Littlebit

Delaney – I am sorry for your past abuse and I certainly do agree that your childhood traumas should not have been dragged out into a larger arena than you were comfortable in sharing it originally. You should not be re-victimized, and i am upset about that. Shame, Ducky!!!

But, I have to tell you, in all honesty and compassion, that Heidi/Kimmer is playing you, and using you, and making you her victim in this scenario. Believe me, I know those games all too well. She is bringing you close so she can use and then discard you. She is an abuser. You are being re-victimized.

PLEASE, Delaney – you know I have gone to bat for you, and supported you in the past. I am not against you. i am BEGGING you to step back, take another look, and step away. PLEASE do not go down this road another step. It will not end well!

Ask yourself – Why did we all leave, Delaney? We had NOTHING to gain, and plenty to lose, in walking away from our friends, our support, and, for some of us, our income, too. What did we see that you haven’t seen yet?

I’d say give it time, and you’ll see it, too. But, Delaney, you may not have that time. PLEASE listen to that part of you that wonders what you have gotten yourself into, and whispers that something is not right.

You don’t need her. And, in fact, she does not need you. By the time you are out the door, she will have replaced you without another thought. You are merely an interchangeable object, her means to an end.

You are smart, and you’ve already survived a lot. You are better than this. You don’t need this. Walk away.

September 19, 2007 at 8:48 pm

Concerned about kimkins

Harlow you are a tard.

September 19, 2007 at 8:49 pm

shelby

Wow, your tune sure changes when YOU are the one on the defensive. I have seen your posts where you are very nasty to people asking for help.
If you post something on the INTERNET of all places, people read it, it is public domain. It sounds to me that you and Heidi seem to be the ones that are ‘entertained’ talking about members in PMs or on the admin board, and speaking derogatorily about them as well. Not much fun when the shoe is on the other foot is it?

September 19, 2007 at 8:50 pm

Scoble

I did not find this anything like “entertainment”. On the contrary it let’s people see why you are doing what you are doing. I have something like you experienced in my past and I know firsthand how it can affect our thinking, our perception of ourselves and the need we have to feel of value. Which is the ONLY reason I can see the need you seem to have at defending what is going on over their. Your prose make you appear to be an intelligent woman, but yet you are still there defending, aiding and abetting an obvious fraud. And what is worse, you don’t seem to mind it at all. And that is also what is so sad. And shame on you for sticking up for her and helping her with her agenda. In the end, she will take you down with her and she won’t even think twice. What a tragedy that is to add to your life as well.

September 19, 2007 at 8:51 pm

Maggie

SingingLass….Delaney…..I truly am sorry you had that happen to you as a teenager. It does leave me wondering though….the word Ducky used….your pathology now……could it be that you now feel a lot of control by being a kk admin? could it be that you’re somehow using it to feel better about yourself?

Please Delaney, leave Kimkins before you wind up arrested with Heidi!

September 19, 2007 at 8:54 pm

theTRUTH

Delaney,
I too think it goes too far to widen the audience of your past trauma. I feel sorry for you in that regard, but I am glad you have dealt with those issues.

Please listen to Becky. I have more of your PMs, but I won’t need to post them tomorrow if you can see the light. I’m not trying to blackmail you, here. I just don’t want to do it if I don’t have to.

September 19, 2007 at 8:58 pm

too bad kimmer

Delaney – listen to Becky, she’s trying to tell you something important. We can’t say it enough FELONY FELONY FELONY FELONY FELONY FELONY

September 19, 2007 at 8:59 pm

La Mesa

Hey shes an opera singer……Sing for us as heidi’s ship sinks!

September 19, 2007 at 8:59 pm

another curious onlooker

Becky, once again, well said. You truly are a caring and compassionate person. You understand how to get your point across with out insulting, which shows intelligence and maturity.

Concerned about kimkins, you should take a lesson. “tard?” Are you 12? A statement like that only shows ignorance. Of course, we can’t all come across as eloquently as Becky.

September 19, 2007 at 8:59 pm

LCer

I can’t speak for others, but I don’t see how anyone here sees SingingLass’s tragedy as entertainment. What it does do is provide some background as to why she seemingly enjoys the power of being an admin, someone who has control over others and can do to them what she wants.

I think it’s really hard for her to step back and see that she’s not very nice in the Kimkins forums and that she’s treating many, many people badly.

And we all know if you don’t want something public, don’t post it on the internet in a name you’ll be recognized under. Better yet, don’t post it online at all!

SingingLass, as others have begged you, it’s time for you to really look at all of this and realize we are not “haters,” nor are we “jealous,” nor are we trying to foil yours or anyone else’s weight loss. No, we’re trying to bring a criminal to justice and you happen to be in the way!

September 19, 2007 at 9:02 pm

La Mesa

2 degrees and you are still dumb enough to work for heidi???

September 19, 2007 at 9:07 pm

Concerned about kimkins

Sorry curious, I should have said? Moron? Harlow, if serious, just stated that Heidi is going to do a web cam show and really show us all that she’s for real. If you believe that you are mentally bereft. Sorry. I will concede that tard was a bit childish. I will go for dense next time if that suits you.

September 19, 2007 at 9:17 pm

feeling crapped on

I really doubt that anyone is “laughing” at what happened to you or is being “entertained” by it. Paranoid much?

Touting your successes to me is useless. I don’t care what you’ve done in the past. I care about what you are doing now.

September 19, 2007 at 9:25 pm

La Mesa

Naw…I’d go with Tard for both Harlow and Curious at this point!

September 19, 2007 at 9:32 pm

Mir

I, too, can vouch that reading about SingingLass’s past pains made me SYMPATHIZE, not laugh. That, however, doesn’t excuse her facilitating a sociopathic scammer.

I hope, I really hope, SinglingLass leaves Kimkins and moves to another forum with low-carbers who are doing it sanely, safely, well, and without the controlling con-artist behavior of Heidi Diaz.

I can’t believe ANYONE thought that was posted to ridicule. Maybe it wasn’t the best call Ducky made, but I don’t think it was malicious.

I do think Heidi is malicious, and SingingLass’ aiding and abetting makes her part of the “bad guys”. Stop it, SL. Just quit.

Mir

September 19, 2007 at 9:34 pm

JenX

LMFAO @ it ain’t over till the fat lady sings. Truly.

September 19, 2007 at 9:36 pm

OddManOut

If she’s a psychic, she’s not very good is she? She should have seen Kimmertanic sinking a long time ago.

September 19, 2007 at 9:44 pm

kimkinssmith

The tragedies of the past never excuse the trespasses of the now.

Delaney. So many people love you and care about you at LCF and other places. You are important beyond labels and administrative buttons.

Those whispers in your ear are being made with poison lips.

Please come home.

September 19, 2007 at 9:47 pm

another curious onlooker

La Mesa…do you realize how ignorant you sound?

Do you know anyone, personally, who is mentally retarded? Throwing around the term “tard” is rude and offensive. I work with mentally retarded (mild, moderate, & severe) people every day. A mentally retarded person is not at fault for how they were born. Using the term “tard” is as bad as saying “that’s gay.” Or, do you have a problem with homosexuals as well? Who’s next? Blacks? People of Polish decent? Jewish people?

Why is it some people can’t get their point across without being rude?

September 19, 2007 at 9:47 pm

Down with Kimkins!

Okay I missed the post. Can someone point me in the correct direction of:

If one wants to read the cache it is here

Where is here? I think my comp is a lttle outdated!

Sorry to sound so obtuse.

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Doh! Link is now at the text ‘it is here’.

September 19, 2007 at 9:49 pm

Kim

Delaney, Becky speaks very wise words. She is not capable of friendship. She is using you, like she used the rest of us. PLEASE read and re-read, and then read again what Becky posted above.

September 19, 2007 at 9:50 pm

antikimkinslblogspot.com

Nobody’s laughing, its tragic – but hey, you lie down with dogs, etc. etc. Seeiing how nasty StingingLass has been to the poor victims at Kimkins, I have ZERO sympathy for her. I say, everything is fair game. She sure was laughing behind the scenes with that evil criminal Heidi while they made fun of the members and planned to hurt them. But oh, you don’t like it when its YOU on the hot seat!

I say SINK HER right along with Kimmer!! Birds of a feather should drown together!

I’ll save my compassion for those innocent folks being scammed by Heidi and Stinginglass and TipsyToes!

September 19, 2007 at 9:52 pm

Sweetie

SingingLass- I am so sorry for all the bad in your life and I am happy to hear that over the past 5 years you have been able to overcome it. i’m sorry, but I do agree with Ducky on the point of being an admin makes you feel needed. I don’t agree that your story should have been posted here, but YOU did post it for the whole world to see. I was still on the Kimkins boards when you first became an admin and you do take your “position” way to far and serious. I do hope for all the wrong you are doing that you are atleast getting paid. (Not saying getting paid makes it right). I too hung on after all the contraversy (sp) first strted hoping Kimmer would prove all the anti-kimkinners wrong, but she didn’t and want. She doesn’t even try to defend herself.

You where so quick to jump in about how wrong it is to post your life, so plese jump in here and tell us what you think is Kimmers side. Did she lose weight? Does she have foster kids? Is she a fraud? Are you going down with her? Why isn’t she defending herself when she knows there are lawsuites agianst her? And please be as bold as you are on the kimkins site when you are banning people for having questions.

September 19, 2007 at 9:53 pm

antikimkinslblogspot.com

It’s funny to me how you can talk about being a child of God in your confession, but you join in with treating people like crap and scamming them along with a con artist. How do you think God feels about THAT, StingingLass?

September 19, 2007 at 9:54 pm

Sweetie

Oh Down with Kimkins- Click on that statement

“If one wants to read the cache it is here”

It’ll take you to it.

September 19, 2007 at 10:08 pm

Keeping Secrets

Delaney, you know what it feels like to fight hard to tell the truth about something that is happening only to be silenced, right?

Please look hard at your actions. You are inadvertently helping an abuser silence her victims and witnesses about her abuse of their trust. When you grow up in a dysfunctional family it feels natural and safe to keep secrets, but you aren’t helping to make Kimkins.com a safe place. You’re helping the abuser continue to betray and exploit more people.

September 19, 2007 at 10:15 pm

WatchingFromHere

Cached pages get updated and are lost, but the Way Back Machine pages aren’t lost. You can even pick your return date.

http://www.archive.org/index.php

September 19, 2007 at 10:18 pm

Janice

Does SingingLass have Ducky on speed dial or what? How long was the post up before she added her first comment? It couldn’t have been long, the first comment was only seven minutes before she posted something!

And SingingLass, no what happened to you is not at all funny or entertaining, but it does shed some light on your actions and reactions in the Kimkins site.

Do you even regret how you treated that 14-yo now?

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From the point we released the post live until SingingLass commented was 19 minutes. Interesting observation Janice! Definitely speaks volumes about how often they’re visiting here.

September 19, 2007 at 10:25 pm

theTRUTH

From the point we released the post live until SingingLass commented was 19 minutes. Interesting observation Janice! Definitely speaks volumes about how often they’re visiting here.

Or, maybe she is psychic…

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Oh yeah, that’s the ticket!

September 19, 2007 at 10:26 pm

Gaynell

Becky (littlebit) ~ that was a beautiful heart-touching post. If Singing Lass does not step down after reading that, I’m terribly afraid her heart has turned as stone cold as Kimmer’s.

Saying a prayer tonight for Delaney.

September 19, 2007 at 11:05 pm

Me

I am going to sound like a total bitch, but I don’t care.

I was molested by my real father from about 3-9. I was raped at 16. Yeah it sucked, and I do not wish it on anyone.

I think for SL to try and hide behind those things is the biggest but of bullshit I have ever heard.

She sickens me. Many, many people have gone through traumatic things and are not power-hungry jerks with their heads up their ass.

I hope she rots in hell right next to Kimmer and Tippy Toes.

September 19, 2007 at 11:28 pm

devil

Singinglass,
It is horrible what happened to you and I don’t think anyone is making light of it. . . but what you’re doing over there is horrible, too. Unfortunately, lots of individuals who have been abused turn into abusers themselves. You are VERY harsh sometimes when posting to people there. . . you are scaring people over there, censoring them, and making them feel shunned & alone. . . you didn’t like it, why would you want to do it to anyone else?

Please listen when Becky tells you that Heidi is NOT your friend; she does not care for you, she only cares for herself. Kimkinssmith and others here DO care about you. . .listen to them and break the cycle and finally break free.

September 19, 2007 at 11:29 pm

Stiff

I’m so glad I never trusted in Kimmer that much.

When I first joined in June (and not from WW…I didn’t even know about it!), I was so stoked to realize that she really did PM people. I had just had a ‘trigger’ in my own life which brought on much of the same pain SingingLass spoke about. For me, I felt if I lost the weight, all those parts of me would fade. They never bothered me growing up.

I nearly PMed and told Kimmer all about it in hopes I’d get affirmation, something…I’m so glad I didn’t.

I’m well now, but still…wow. Thank the heavens.

September 19, 2007 at 11:48 pm

La Mesa

“Do you even regret how you treated that 14-yo now?”

Exactly! and Curious..please get off your high horse I don’t really care what you think about what I have to say.

September 19, 2007 at 11:53 pm

Mayberryfan

This whole thing confirms that my radar isn’t totally broken. While I fell for Kimmer’s lies and need to destroy others, I always felt that SingingLass wanted to be an admin over at KK’s to be loved and accepted. Call it women’s intution! Hey, we ALL want to be accepted, so no shame in that, SL! But, you need to protect yourself and go ahead and admit that you fell for K’s lies like a lot of good folks did. You are getting used. Be strong! Don’t let someone like her take advantage of you – GET OUT NOW.

God bless, SL. You’ve had it rough. Sorry!

September 20, 2007 at 12:04 am

Sue

It is a tragedy what happened to you Singing Lass but nobody is seeing it as entertainment. Let go of the victim mentality and stand up to Kimmer. Don’t play a big part in turning members into victims. You know what its like to be a victim. You have a choice to do right by people.

September 20, 2007 at 12:32 am

another curious onlooker

Better to take the high ground…lest you crawl with the slugs.

September 20, 2007 at 12:33 am

another curious onlooker

Better to take the high road…lest you crawl with the slugs.

September 20, 2007 at 1:04 am

I’m concerned too

And if none of the above pleas reach into some part of your brain just keep saying this word to yourself: FELONY FELONY FELONY FELONY

September 20, 2007 at 2:48 am

justanotherduck

SingingLass, no one is laughing at your past. What you endured is horrible and criminal, and no one should have to suffer through those things.

BUT, lot’s of people were abused and mistreated as a child. I was, too… please don’t use that as an excuse to mistreat others! Go the other way– use that heightened sensitivity to care for others, to help them. And no, verbally abusing Kimkins visitors and fronting a fraud DOES not count as help.

I understand that it’s tempting to want to grab power wherever you can. You had no control as a child and now you do… it’s a strong urge, but fight it! You don’t want to be an abuser. You’re a surviver… and you’re better than that.

September 20, 2007 at 10:08 am

WOW

God, I am not touching this with a ten foot pole, either side, except to say this whole thing is getting way out of hand.

September 21, 2007 at 11:54 am

Jen Billing

singinglass-you told kimmer a bunch of lies about me that subsequently got me banned….
i dont care about being banned so much because i will get my money back and we will see to it that kimmer goes to prison over this scam…
i do care that lies were told about me and my particpation on the forums, and the lies were told by you….

are you a big enough woman (no pun intended) to apologize to me for those libelous lies?

or are you cut from the same cloth as the almighty kimmer, in which case you have no perception of reality whatsoever, and relish your cyber-”importance”

you still have time to retreat and get out from under kimmers spell…

show us that you have the morals and dignity to do so….

The TRUTH Outs Admins at Kimkins

Just moments ago ‘the TRUTH’, who comments across many blogs and recently launched their own blog, released confidential admin forum communications on their blog. Hat tip to theTRUTH!

We wonder if Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) recognizes the inside source leaking this information out? These communications are, after all, in a hidden forum area only accessible to admins!

Sept. 5

From Kimmer:
Handling Forum Posts/Questions
First, I want to thank everyone for their time and your kindness to help out on Kimkins forums. I don’t have to tell you that our strongest asset is our members — including all of you!

I might bear mentioning that our main goal at Kimkins is to help people lose weight. This isn’t always by offering food choice advice, but encouraging and suggesting choices — which all of you do.

Any questions of a medical nature can have a general reply or your own personal experience, but they should be encouraged to ask their doctor. I don’t think any of us are doctors, no doctor would diagnose over the internet anyway. I understand they are hesitant to go to the doctor or may have financial problems, but we’re not medical experts.

As you’ve probably read in forums I don’t like negativity threads. Not that there’s anything wrong with venting, but their tone spreads quickly and distracts from the work we’re doing here. Negativity & weight loss don’t mix and can affect your whole day (think of the last time you had an argument with a spouse or coworker).

There’s a ton of places they can go to complain about me, I’d rather it not be here.

Again, thanks everyone, I really appreciate your help. I’m a bit behind with no computer for a week, but I’m working hard to get caught up. If anyone has more questions or wants to add anything, feel free!

K.

Sept., 6
From TippyToes

Re:Handling Forum Posts/Questions
I agree. The time we are spending hunting out the nay sayers is time we could have spent helping people. If any of you admins see negative posting, by all means delete it even if you have to delete the entire thread. And report the person who posted the offense to Kimmer right away, please. We are going to start banning with no refund. Because we are a paid site, I doubt too many will pay $ to come back just to cause trouble. Thanks again, everyone. This too shall pass…

From AdminXXX (Name removed because Admin has since resigned. Had too much sense I guess…)
Re:Handling Forum Posts/Questions
Wow, that’s a big step. I hope there was something in the terms of service that reserves the right to do that (or to change the terms of service). If not, that could create some kind of legal issue (or at least very hard feelings), since people are paying for lifetime memberships.

May I suggest:
- setting some very, very specific guidelines on what is and isn’t appropriate.
- setting a specific banning procedure, including a set of warnings
- making absolutely certain that everybody is informed about the guidelines and the banning procedure

Sept. 11
From SingingLass:
Something I felt i should make a note on…..is we should pay attention to questions in certain areas right now. Primarily questions in the fields the other sites are trying to claim as a negative of this plan right now…..such as calories, laxitives, children and the like. I do read the other stuff occassionally, I am not affected by it, but like to just keep tabs a bit on what is going on…..and one of the things I have seen is people wanting to try to manifest dirt—-so a harmless seeming question about how low they can go with calories or laxatives could potentially be a setup to try to get a response they can use somehow. I may sound paranoid, but I think it is a very real issue right now that should be considered in our responses….I personally am trying to be “safe” in my responses, refer to the reading, eating when hungry, and of course to check with doctor.

For instance, there is a thread in newbie forum right now “fat grams”…..of someone wanting to do the diet with nothing but shakes, and it just struck me a little odd on how they keep asking the same questions over and over about how low calories can go ignoring the responses……and got really aggressive towards me in my response. They seem to be looking for an exact number or an answer that says there is no limit to how low they can go. Again, this could be me being paranoid….but is an example of being alert to odd questions or behaviors.

From Kimmer:
Delaney, good point. Yes, they’re out … looking for anything that can be twisted or taken out of context. Hard to believe this is how some people actually spend their day.

90 pounds! Wow!

Sept. 14
From TippyToes:
Singing lass, you are one smart cookie! They won’t be tricking you. I too am keeping tabs on things over there. I feel we can use them for improvements to the site here. In a very odd way, we can use the negatives in a positive way.

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September 18, 2007 at 8:38 pm

La Mesa

I can’t believe what a scum bag tippy toes is….’ths too shall pass’ what a pathetic excuse for a human being to partner up with heidi the devil!

September 18, 2007 at 8:40 pm

La Mesa

Again..Tippy toes…just as evil as heidi!

September 18, 2007 at 8:42 pm

LastLCer

ROFLMAO, Tippy sure thinks she’s smarter than the average bear…NOT!

September 18, 2007 at 8:43 pm

Swinging Higher

Are you planning to do an expose on the remaining admins any time soon?

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The other admins profiles are in progress at the moment. We encourage those reading here to share any pertinent information in the comments and include “DO NOT POST” at the start if they wish the information to be confidential and anonymous.

September 18, 2007 at 8:43 pm

Barb

I love how they think they don’t have to refund money to people who get banned for NO REASON! You’ll find out you do! TT obviously is of the same calibur as that BIG FAT LIAR Heidi Diaz!

September 18, 2007 at 8:43 pm

ROFL

I had no clue there was a private admin forum over there. That they’re actually discussing how to ban members without refunds is sick.

September 18, 2007 at 8:45 pm

Josh

Just when you think nothing will surprise you, you’re surprised. I’m sure the admin who left — the only one with any common sense obviously — wishes they’d never been involved with this whole thing. This all is so disgusting to see. People can be really cruel to each other, can’t they?

September 18, 2007 at 8:55 pm

Terri

Disgusting!

September 18, 2007 at 9:00 pm

Kim

IMO they sound paranoid. Just trying to get the bad stuff off asap so they can continue to rope in newbies.

September 18, 2007 at 9:01 pm

Mir

I hope someone has the original TOS from when the mass of people signed up. I suspect that lots of fiddling will go on. If lifetime membership was not limited by the membership agreement–ie, if it didn’t say you could be banned sans refund for being “negative”–then I don’t see how they have the justification. You can’t run a site on the whims of teh dictator. There have to be standards and rules and people have to be able to know that the rules are stable, not changing according to She-Stalin’s whims.

She would have been much smarter allowing ONE “vent and ask” thread and let her henchwomen handle it on an ongoing basis. Heck, hire someone, use some of that 2 millions bucks, and let them be the vent-hostess.

When you let people talk and vent, you at least seem like a civilized, democratic person.

When you summarily delete and banish, well, you show your true colors.

Did the original agreement demand members never say anything critical of Heidi-Liedy? Did it say no negative comments on the forums? If not, then how can they use that as justificaton for banishment and censorship?

M.

September 18, 2007 at 9:11 pm

OddManOut

[i]Sept., 6
From TippyToes[/i]

Sooo. Tippy Toes was an admin days before she was officially announced? Interesting.

September 18, 2007 at 9:13 pm

Joey

They’ve got some balls, that’s for sure!

September 18, 2007 at 9:17 pm

too bad kimmer

Does this mean that “Pants on Fire” violated the TOS of the BBB by posting as an employee of Kimkins?

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It does indeed appear that Tippy Toes did violate the rules of the BBB for reviewing a company when she did so while an employee/admin.

September 18, 2007 at 9:30 pm

ixtapacheryl

Doesn’t surprise me in the least! I’m just shocked that they are all so cavalier towards their paying members. Don’t kid yourself – they could care less about any of their members losing weight or keeping it off. All they’re worried about is the negativity that is circling inside the KK site and eradicating it as soon as they can spot it. None of them want to deal with reality – it’s easier to ban and ignore.

Different day – same story!

September 18, 2007 at 9:51 pm

theTRUTH

Gee. If it is only accessible to Admins, how did I get at it?

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Ducky’ll never tell!

September 18, 2007 at 10:04 pm

Stiff

As for terms of service, this looks new to me:

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The Kimkins Program is provided in electronic media and as such cannot be returned for refund once purchased and accessed. Members may not harass, annoy, badger, bully or act in an offensive manner to other members or administration. Violators will have their accounts canceled and no refund given.

This website comprises various websites and pages operated by Kimkins.com and the information contained therein (together, the “website”). Certain sections of the website may contain separate terms and conditions, which are in addition to this agreement. You should read those additional terms and conditions carefully. By accessing such sections or pages, you agree to be bound by those additional terms and conditions. In the event of a conflict, those additional terms and conditions will govern your use of those sections or pages.
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Since when did it say accounts will be cancelled and no refunds given?

And where is this justified? What are her guidelines for being offensive? Some specifics would be nice.
The Anonymous Admin definitely said it well.

September 18, 2007 at 10:14 pm

WOW

Tippy…you really got alot on the ball don’t you.

Your’e gonna need all the “positives” you can get to get you out of this mess LOL.

September 18, 2007 at 10:18 pm

Leslie

Kimmer has a big problem.

She has an admin within her trusted circle betraying her.

What will she do next?

Will she fire them all?

How will she really know which one it is?

They’ll all deny it was them, but one will be lying!

I know who the TRUTH is, but I’m not telling!

September 18, 2007 at 10:19 pm

WOW

It’s quite the racket over there eh???

Take their money and ban them….and none of the new sign ups will know a thing about it until they themselves question whats going on….then they in turn will suffer the same fate…..

It’s a renewing resource…a money generating scam.

September 18, 2007 at 10:28 pm

RayOfFriknSunshine

Curious as I am to know who the Truth is, I hope s/he isn’t outed. Keep it up, whoever you are!

September 18, 2007 at 10:37 pm

MariaM

TRUTH should use his contact to do a global email to everyone in the kimkins database, complete with a history of everything going on and links to all these blogs so members who don’t wander around much get to see what’s going on!

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Kimmer may be the only one with privleges to do such a mass emailing, but with the mass emailing today of the email-ebook-advertisement, it’s obvious such a mailing is possible.

We really like your idea and hope theTRUTH sees it and takes action on it if possible, it’s simply duckilicious!

September 18, 2007 at 10:40 pm

Mimi

uhm… don’t you mean “withIN” her trusted circle? At any rate, the paranoia is delicious ain’t it … who is it, Heidi? who is the mongoose scampering around there in the snakepit?

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Good catch, we edited it for them!

September 19, 2007 at 12:24 am

ixtapacheryl

Mimi: Don’t you mean Meerkat ….. On it’s hind legs always on the look-out …..

September 19, 2007 at 1:01 am

Selenabj

Well isn’t Tippy Toes just a vile piece of vermin. Who does that little idiot think she is?? Her psychological profile would probably be that of a poor homely little fat girl who had self esteem issues. Now, the Great and Powerful OZ comes to use her and she is basking in the glory of her greatness. Get real Miss Tippy. You are not powerful. You are a nothing among a group of nothings. I love this mentality- “hey SL, you are one smart cookie . THEY won’t be tricking you… ” oh yeah Miss Tippy?
When you come crawling back to your old forum, begging people to understand what a fool you were, I hope they turn their backs on you.

And then Big Kimmer makes her profound statement-
“Hard to believe this is how some people actually spend their day.”
Funny, that is exactly what I was thinking about you!!
Can anyone say POND SCUM??

September 19, 2007 at 1:51 am

Mimi

PS to Duckie and Leslie — I wasn’t criticizing or laughing at the typo … just wanted to add my two cents to the amusement re Heidi being unable — truly unable — to trust even those in her inner circle.

The thing is, she seems either unable or unwilling to “get” that the reason she can’t trust “friends” or enemies is her own fault.

September 19, 2007 at 3:28 am

Mimi

Mongoose. Snake’s worst enemy. Besides Ducks of course

September 19, 2007 at 4:58 am

count padunkadunk

Tippy how sad that you do not see what you have become. Maybe you have always been this way and I am just now seeing.

September 19, 2007 at 1:36 pm

Kim

Well, I was banned w/o a refund and didn’t post anything negative. I got banned for the BBB complaint so she still has some revising to do to get it right. Oh wait! If you sign up, the TOS is what it is when you sign up, not what she changes it to daily to cover her @$$. That’s like business law 101…and the lesson that we were all taught when we were 2 by our parents…you can’t change the rules after the game starts. Maybe Heidi was raised by wolves and never learned those lessons…it would explain a lot don’t you think?

September 20, 2007 at 3:05 am

Got my hip boots on

If you wanna see some real vileness you all should maybe look in the mirror and see the snarly wild-eyed hounds you have become. This isn’t about saving people, it’s about getting your rocks off hunting someone down. Pretty obvious to those of us who are still sane.