More Threating Messages Come to Light

Over at theTRUTH, we find more abusive, threatening messages sent to Deni, Christin and theTRUTH too!

Read them here.

Kimmer Still Using Deni & Christin!

With the sudden yet vocal departure of both Christin and Deni yesterday, you’d think the Kimkins webmaster would be busy updating the site to reflect the changes. As of this writing, the site still maintains on the Meet Your Team page that Christin is Media & Public Relations Director.

The homepage continues to use Christin as a feature selling point for membership, boasting she lost weight and was on the cover of Woman’s World magazine. Christin pointedly remarked yesterday on her own blog that she experienced serious side effects from the dietary regimen.

Yet, even today after all that has happened, Kimmer keeps her own version of the story intact on her blog, bragging about the ‘clean bill of health’ Christin was said to have gotten after losing the weight.

On the homepage, Kimmer continues to spotlight Deni, who lost weight too, despite the fact that Deni is no longer associated with Kimkins or singing its praises anymore.

What part of Deni’s statement about Kimmer’s lack of intergrity did she not understand?

In case you haven’t figured it out yet.. I am leaving Kimkins. I am leaving because I have learned some things that make me doubt the integrity of the founder, and because I have been used for purposes that go against my personality, my moral, and my conscience.

What part of Christin’s complete scrubbing of her blog of all promotion linked to Kimkins did Kimmer miss? Kimmer arrogantly declared these women, and Becky, left because of pressure from blogs like this one. Yet if and when you read their own testimony as to their reasons for leaving, none of the blogs highlighting the issues of Kimkins diet are mentioned. No, not one word is explicit or implicit that we bloggers were the reason these women left. They didn’t leave because of external pressures by us bloggers. They left because they came to see Kimmer as she is!

The one thing clearly stated is the problem was and is Kimmer (Heidi Diaz)!

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September 4, 2007 at 5:51 pm

ooBoo

Kimmer really does think she’s above reproach. She’s in for a big surprise when it all falls down though.

September 4, 2007 at 5:52 pm

theTRUTH

I have received communications today from one of these three and one thing they would like to express is that they were not forced out due to pressure from these blogs or comments on LCF. They left (and were subsequently locked out from the site) due to the reasons they specifically state and/or will state (or not – up to them really), not the reasons stated by Kimmer and not due to any bloggers or other forum attacks or pressures. In fact, the outside pressures to leave made it harder to do so, to avoid the appearance of caving under the pressure. Kimmer was (is) the problem, and from reading their comments (aside from Christin’s two correctable issues), even the diet didn’t have anything to do with it.

September 4, 2007 at 6:38 pm

kkatastrophediet

“and were subsequently locked out from the site”

WHAT??????? And she continues to use their images? !!!!?????!!!!!! I really have no words….

September 4, 2007 at 6:40 pm

Braveheart

I’m not surprised. Kimmer is going to continue on with business as usual, even as everything falls apart over there. I just hope those within start to see the writing on the wall and get out NOW!

September 4, 2007 at 7:09 pm

Musictomyears

Christin, for weeks, tried to get answers to her satisfaction from Kimmer, to no avail. Finally Kimmer locked her out of the site and basically fired her, then begged her back, then locked her out again due to irreconcilable differences (like Becky).

Really makes you wonder, doesn’t it? How is it that two very prominent moderators and superstars within Kimkins are FIRED for asking questions and then Kimmer runs around the site acting like all is well and dandy.

All is NOT well and dandy. Kimmer is scared. She’s paranoid now. She’s got admins watching each other. She’s got members spying on other members. She has admins spying on members. She’s spying on members and it’s all crazy!

Becky, Deni and Christin questioned the great Oz and anyone else who does the same has the primer in front of them – you’ll be fired/banned/locked out. You cannot cross Kimmer and stay. Period.

September 4, 2007 at 7:44 pm

Mimi

Dear Ducky, someone says you are in reality Jimmy Moore. Oh Ducky, say it ain’t so!

——————-

It ain’t so!

September 4, 2007 at 8:07 pm

Christin Fired From Kimkins for Asking Questions About Kimmer? » Kimkins Controversy

[…] A comment on Kimkins Exposed: Christin, for weeks, tried to get answers to her satisfaction from Kimmer, to no avail. Finally Kimmer locked her out of the site and basically fired her, then begged her back, then locked her out again due to irreconcilable differences (like Becky). […]

September 4, 2007 at 11:07 pm

Sue

Kimmer, really is a piece of work – that woman has nerves of steel. Acutally she probably hasn’t got a conscience so doesn’t give a shit.
Becky, Deni and Christin I am glad you got out but you must make it perfectly clear why you left so new members don’t get sucked into Kimkins. The post questioning if Christin and Deni are gone too is now locked and will soon be deleted. Most of the members just all carry on as normal!

September 5, 2007 at 3:18 am

ban kimmer

Good then everyone will leave. I am also questioning the new admin on the site…that answer about the hair falling out sounded a little to much like kimmiepie for me to swallow. Again…when the posts are on the defensive and not at all helpful…you can bet it’s the guru.

Also…does anyone know if Cristin will speak to WW about a retraction? Or at least a warning?

September 5, 2007 at 2:59 pm

Kim

I would love to see Christin do a retraction…and I bet WW would be willing to consider it. WW seems to be a pretty solid magazine that doesn’t play too much into fad dieting or unhealthy WOE.

My log in is still working, but I’m sure when my complaint gets to Kimmer I’ll be locked out. I filed with the BBB so we’ll see what happens with that. I signed up with it was still $39.95 and the e-book was promised, so my complaint stated I never got everything I was promised. We all know that book is not even mentioned on the site anymore and will never be again. It’s not about the money as much as it is to get a message across to Kimmer that she won’t keep getting away with this.

Dominos Begin to Fall at Kimkins

The exodus from Kimkins begins…

It started with Becky. Now we must bid farewell to a bunch of folks today…

Goodbye Amy, your resignation from moderating took courage!

Goodbye Christin, walking away was the right thing to do!

Goodbye Deni, leaving was hard, but you’ll be rewarded!

Goodbye OSusana, your acceptance and quick resignation as an admin is admirable!

The dominos are falling at Kimkins. Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) has shown her true colors to those on the inside, and they’re fleeing.

Good luck to those who broke free!

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September 3, 2007 at 8:59 pm

Healthy LCer

Let’s hope all the Kimkinites follow their leaders who actually care about them and find another place to go to. Of course, they also need a healthier diet plan, too!!

September 3, 2007 at 9:05 pm

tiredofscams

Unfortunately, Osuzanna is still there–she’s just not an admin after all. Kimmer just alluded to that as Osuzanna stepping down because she fears being attacked by Anti-K bloggers…and of course, we’re supposed to believe that’s why Deni and Christin left too. They’re just afraid of you.

It couldn’t possibly be Kimmer’s fault in any way. *rolleyes*

That woman is some arrogant piece of work!

September 3, 2007 at 10:21 pm

Tam (Kimkins refugee)

Can you explain more about Amy’s departure? That is curlygirl, right? She was by far my favorite, favorite person there at KK. I love her site and continue to enjoy her recipes.

And what happened to the pretty young blonde Suzanna who used to be a mod? (not the same as OSusana, I don’t think). Seems like I haven’t seen her around lately either.

September 4, 2007 at 7:29 am

anonymous

it is still so disturbing to me that a man who is healthy enough to run races in Japan would be involved in creating a blog about a diet for fat people. There is more than meets the eye with many stories beyond kimkins

——————–

We’re stumped. Can you elaborate some please?

September 4, 2007 at 7:51 am

anonymous

better add a few real estate pages to your blogroll

September 4, 2007 at 1:14 pm

Tam (Kimkins refugee)

And there’s much more than meets the eye with the stories BEHIND Kimkins. What bloggers such as this have “exposed” are just the tip of the iceberg.

Do you have to be an unhealthy couch potato to create your own blog?

September 4, 2007 at 2:20 pm

Kimkins Dangers

What bothers me about Kimmer’s response to Deni, Becky and Christin leaving (aside from the blatant lie that Becky is not banned), is that Kimmer insinuates that the three ladies are not smart enough to think for themselves. They couldn’t POSSIBLY believe that Kimkins is unhealthy or dangerous. They couldn’t POSSIBLY know that Kimmer is a liar and a fraud. Oh no… they only caved into pressure from a handful of bloggers.

How insulting is that? Becky, Deni and Christin all wrote very long blog posts explaining the basic reasons why they left Kimkins, but Kimmer doesn’t believe them. She’s telling people on the KK site that they are just not tough enough to stand against the “anti-kimmer” people. (where have we heard THAT before?)

I think the KK members would appreciate a little more honesty from Kimmer and a little less spin!

September 4, 2007 at 2:44 pm

kkatastrophediet

new terms of service at KK since 7-30–KK members please read

http://kkatastrophediet.wordpress.com/

September 4, 2007 at 3:20 pm

graciej

Amy(curlygirl) still posts although much less often than before. Her blog still has kimkins links on it. So she has not completely cut her ties. She may be headed in that direction but it’s hard to say for sure.

Suzanna is still listed as an admin but has not posted since the 31st.

September 4, 2007 at 3:30 pm

Concerned about kimkins

“it is still so disturbing to me that a man who is healthy enough to run races in Japan would be involved in creating a blog about a diet for fat people. There is more than meets the eye with many stories beyond kimkins”

Hey Kimmer! ((((waves at kimmer who’s obviously the one who posted this)))) What’s next…a Fatkins comment, an attempt to call others out for being overweight when you yourself can’t come out of your house cuz you are “fluffy”? Hmmmmmmm.

September 4, 2007 at 4:22 pm

flowerpower

I’ve enjoyed catching up with this, again. It’s great that those that have jumped the sinking ship have expressed their reasoning, as Jimmy did a month ago.

Why in the world are there still pro-Kimmer people posting their opinions? My gosh, they sure need to give it up and realize they don’t need a fraud’s support. They can get plenty of support at LCF and other forums where people really do care about their desire to lose weight and stay healthy.

Will KimATC admit that she made the wrong choice when choosing Kimmer over LCF? I hope Kim jumps that sinking ship and realizes the money is not worth being associated with such a fraud.

Keep up the great work all you bloggers!

September 4, 2007 at 5:07 pm

Concerned about kimkins

I’m not really sure there still are supporters. Aside from a few nameless faces here and there on blogs, there seems to have been (as mentioned before) a jumping of ship. Her main supporters have bailed, now the random comments here and there in support all sound exactly like Kimmer herself. Just look at them. How many ex chunkies degrade and insult the size and eating habbits of current chunkes. No one…just Kimmiepie.

September 5, 2007 at 4:46 am

anonymous

If it were “TRUTH” that Christin and the others left for reasons only involving Kimmer, why have they not came here and posted so theirself?
Wouldn’t that be the obvious way to get across what they supposedly want us to know?

September 5, 2007 at 4:49 am

anonymous

The point about a healthy person that runs races was to question how they play a part in this story? At what time did they become involved with Kimmer or the diet? What made them strike up a harp against something they aren’t a part of?… or are they?? think about it

September 6, 2007 at 2:36 am

graciej

I’m not sure if you want to post this as a comment here but Tam asked about Suzanna the other day and I have an update. As of today, Suzanna is no longer an admin and it looks like her personal journal has been completely deleted.

September 10, 2007 at 6:40 am

rlh94

I am sorry but why are you all bashing kimkins…If you do not like this WOE just DON’T do it…grow up…this is not high school…why are you lurking on the site trying to find info…get a Life
Have you tried it? If not don’t bash it…
It works it is a God send for some of us…We all have brains and choose for ourselves to follow this WOE…no one forces anyone

Dominos Begin to Fall at Kimkins

The exodus from Kimkins begins…

It started with Becky. Now we must bid farewell to a bunch of folks today…

Goodbye Amy, your resignation from moderating took courage!

Goodbye Christin, walking away was the right thing to do!

Goodbye Deni, leaving was hard, but you’ll be rewarded!

Goodbye OSusana, your acceptance and quick resignation as an admin is admirable!

The dominos are falling at Kimkins. Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) has shown her true colors to those on the inside, and they’re fleeing.

Good luck to those who broke free!

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September 3, 2007 at 8:59 pm

Healthy LCer

Let’s hope all the Kimkinites follow their leaders who actually care about them and find another place to go to. Of course, they also need a healthier diet plan, too!!

September 3, 2007 at 9:05 pm

tiredofscams

Unfortunately, Osuzanna is still there–she’s just not an admin after all. Kimmer just alluded to that as Osuzanna stepping down because she fears being attacked by Anti-K bloggers…and of course, we’re supposed to believe that’s why Deni and Christin left too. They’re just afraid of you.

It couldn’t possibly be Kimmer’s fault in any way. *rolleyes*

That woman is some arrogant piece of work!

September 3, 2007 at 10:21 pm

Tam (Kimkins refugee)

Can you explain more about Amy’s departure? That is curlygirl, right? She was by far my favorite, favorite person there at KK. I love her site and continue to enjoy her recipes.

And what happened to the pretty young blonde Suzanna who used to be a mod? (not the same as OSusana, I don’t think). Seems like I haven’t seen her around lately either.

September 4, 2007 at 7:29 am

anonymous

it is still so disturbing to me that a man who is healthy enough to run races in Japan would be involved in creating a blog about a diet for fat people. There is more than meets the eye with many stories beyond kimkins

——————–

We’re stumped. Can you elaborate some please?

September 4, 2007 at 7:51 am

anonymous

better add a few real estate pages to your blogroll

September 4, 2007 at 1:14 pm

Tam (Kimkins refugee)

And there’s much more than meets the eye with the stories BEHIND Kimkins. What bloggers such as this have “exposed” are just the tip of the iceberg.

Do you have to be an unhealthy couch potato to create your own blog?

September 4, 2007 at 2:20 pm

Kimkins Dangers

What bothers me about Kimmer’s response to Deni, Becky and Christin leaving (aside from the blatant lie that Becky is not banned), is that Kimmer insinuates that the three ladies are not smart enough to think for themselves. They couldn’t POSSIBLY believe that Kimkins is unhealthy or dangerous. They couldn’t POSSIBLY know that Kimmer is a liar and a fraud. Oh no… they only caved into pressure from a handful of bloggers.

How insulting is that? Becky, Deni and Christin all wrote very long blog posts explaining the basic reasons why they left Kimkins, but Kimmer doesn’t believe them. She’s telling people on the KK site that they are just not tough enough to stand against the “anti-kimmer” people. (where have we heard THAT before?)

I think the KK members would appreciate a little more honesty from Kimmer and a little less spin!

September 4, 2007 at 2:44 pm

kkatastrophediet

new terms of service at KK since 7-30–KK members please read

http://kkatastrophediet.wordpress.com/

September 4, 2007 at 3:20 pm

graciej

Amy(curlygirl) still posts although much less often than before. Her blog still has kimkins links on it. So she has not completely cut her ties. She may be headed in that direction but it’s hard to say for sure.

Suzanna is still listed as an admin but has not posted since the 31st.

September 4, 2007 at 3:30 pm

Concerned about kimkins

“it is still so disturbing to me that a man who is healthy enough to run races in Japan would be involved in creating a blog about a diet for fat people. There is more than meets the eye with many stories beyond kimkins”

Hey Kimmer! ((((waves at kimmer who’s obviously the one who posted this)))) What’s next…a Fatkins comment, an attempt to call others out for being overweight when you yourself can’t come out of your house cuz you are “fluffy”? Hmmmmmmm.

September 4, 2007 at 4:22 pm

flowerpower

I’ve enjoyed catching up with this, again. It’s great that those that have jumped the sinking ship have expressed their reasoning, as Jimmy did a month ago.

Why in the world are there still pro-Kimmer people posting their opinions? My gosh, they sure need to give it up and realize they don’t need a fraud’s support. They can get plenty of support at LCF and other forums where people really do care about their desire to lose weight and stay healthy.

Will KimATC admit that she made the wrong choice when choosing Kimmer over LCF? I hope Kim jumps that sinking ship and realizes the money is not worth being associated with such a fraud.

Keep up the great work all you bloggers!

September 4, 2007 at 5:07 pm

Concerned about kimkins

I’m not really sure there still are supporters. Aside from a few nameless faces here and there on blogs, there seems to have been (as mentioned before) a jumping of ship. Her main supporters have bailed, now the random comments here and there in support all sound exactly like Kimmer herself. Just look at them. How many ex chunkies degrade and insult the size and eating habbits of current chunkes. No one…just Kimmiepie.

September 5, 2007 at 4:46 am

anonymous

If it were “TRUTH” that Christin and the others left for reasons only involving Kimmer, why have they not came here and posted so theirself?
Wouldn’t that be the obvious way to get across what they supposedly want us to know?

September 5, 2007 at 4:49 am

anonymous

The point about a healthy person that runs races was to question how they play a part in this story? At what time did they become involved with Kimmer or the diet? What made them strike up a harp against something they aren’t a part of?… or are they?? think about it

September 6, 2007 at 2:36 am

graciej

I’m not sure if you want to post this as a comment here but Tam asked about Suzanna the other day and I have an update. As of today, Suzanna is no longer an admin and it looks like her personal journal has been completely deleted.

September 10, 2007 at 6:40 am

rlh94

I am sorry but why are you all bashing kimkins…If you do not like this WOE just DON’T do it…grow up…this is not high school…why are you lurking on the site trying to find info…get a Life
Have you tried it? If not don’t bash it…
It works it is a God send for some of us…We all have brains and choose for ourselves to follow this WOE…no one forces anyone

To Deni

“It is a sad tendancy of modern men to either do the right thing in the wrong way or do the wrong thing in the right way. We either hold to truth obnoxiously or we hold to a lie graciously. We are either a rude angel or a polite devil. Often what poses as a cruel orthodoxy is defeated by what poses as a kind heresy” – George Grant & Mark Horne, from the book Unnatural Affections

With that in mind, we all must understand that cognitive dissonance is an innately human process that can muddle the ethical values of an individual without him or her even realizing that it is happening. The most basic of cognitive dissonance scenarios occur when a person whom an individual regards highly adopts a behavior that the same individual deplores.

The gulf between the individual’s admiration of the person (a positive attitude) and the individual’s objection to the behavior (a negative attitude) must be reconciled.

The individual can lower his or her estimation of the person, or develop a rationalization for the conflict (the person was acting uncharacteristically due to illness, stress, or confusion), or reduce the disapproval of the behavior.

This is why misbehavior by leaders and other admired role models is potentially very harmful on a large scale: by creating dissonance, it creates a downward drag on societal norms by validating unethical behavior. Tortured or inexplicable defenses of otherwise clearly wrong behavior in public dialogue are often the product of cognitive dissonance.

Remember, sin ripples; it affects the whole world.

Therefore, if a public person – by his or her pronouncements – trivializes an issue as important as health, we all must stand up and pay attention.

When someone lies to us or others, we must recognize it and accept our duty to not only abhor it, but if once a party to it, turn our backs and leave that person in their wickedness.

When someone says things which may bring harm to another, we must recognize it and accept our duty to not only abhor it, but no longer be party to such dangerous words.

As spiritual beings we’re called to account not only for what we have done, but what we failed to do.

Not only in how we see, but in how our Creator sees it.

2 Cor 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive recompense, according to what he did in the body, whether good or evil.

1 Cor3:12-15 If any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man’s work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.

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August 31, 2007 at 2:40 pm

Healthy LCer

I totally agree with this 100 percent. Christin is a strong Christian and therefore will be held accountable for anything harmful that she has advised people to do. If she did this unknowingly at first, that is totally different than
hearing people’s stories of illness and continuing to give unsafe advice.

Plus, advising children/diabetics is a WHOLE other category. And approving of what Kimmer is doing is just like SHE was doing it. Scripture tells us to FLEE
from evil. That’s what Christin needs to do…

August 31, 2007 at 3:02 pm

kkatastrophediet

Mark 9.43

And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched

August 31, 2007 at 3:39 pm

ooBoo

Bravo!

Deni, please leave! You can do it! You’re strong and know what’s right and wrong and what Kimmer is doing is wrong, wrong, wrong!

August 31, 2007 at 4:29 pm

theTRUTH

Hardly a credible source for a quote: but I am reminded of the spooky words of bug-eyed Marshall Applewhite, of Heaven’s Gate cult fame…

This applies to all of the innocent Admins there:

“Your only chance to survive–leave with us.”

I am sure many of you are at least considering it. You don’t want to be in a position of association with Kimmer when the stuff hits the fan. So put on your new black and white Nikes, grab your purple handkerchiefs and hit the door before it is too late. There will be folks here and elsewhere to stand with you, to hear your stories, and help you find a new home in which you can lose weight.

At least Marshall went out with his people. Do you think Kimmer won’t have self preservation as her first priority when it all comes down. Don’t you think she will try to shift blame? That is, if her identity isn’t so well insulated that she can’t just disappear. Why else would she be so careful to lie about EVERY part of her life and has never let anyone see her?

August 31, 2007 at 7:45 pm

Laura

I really hope Deni reads this and takes it to heart. She is too sweet to have her name associated with Kimkins any more!

Deni, sweetie, please get out of there!

September 3, 2007 at 11:50 pm

theTRUTH

Deni didn’t need our convincing. I thought as much. WTG Deni and Christin!

Open Letter to Kimkins Admins & Moderators

Dear Kimkins Admins and Moderators,

Step back for a moment and consider all that is now happening within Kimkins.  You’re being tracked, you’re being monitored and you’re likely being told that those you work with, your fellow moderators and admins, are talking about you behind your back.  This is Kimmer’s MO and is not a new tactic to manipulate your loyalty to try and maintain the status quo.

Step back from the diet, step back from the concept you’re loyal because you lost weight or are losing weight, and take a long hard look at all that is out there about Kimmer and the type of person she is.

Do you want to continue to associate with someone who has been shown to be a liar?

Do you want to continue to assoicate with someone who says she is a CASA when you know she’s not?

Do you want to continue to associate with someone who manipulates others with illusions of gradeur, claims of foster parenting, and taking money for ‘her kids’ when it’s very likely she no longer has foster children in her care?

Do you want to continue to associate with someone who advised a child, a young teenage girl, that she didn’t need to eat more calories if she still had body fat on her?

Do you want to continue to assoicate with someone who maintains recommendations that are contrary to the body of evidence in the scientific literature?

Do you want to continue to associate with someone who has raked in millions and is either expecting you to continue to volunteer your time or paying you a paltry salary for your time and effort?

Do you want to continue to associate with someone who has obviously used her own child to attempt to play the system and keep the fact she owns the company off the paper trail?

Do you want to associate with someone who encourages you to continue providing potentially health damaging advice to paying members?

Do you want to associate with someone who has promoted her diet with stock photo pictures and wrote success stories herself of fictional people?

Do you want to associate with someone who is known to spam the internet?

Do you want to associate with someone who has FTC violations blatantly on her website?

Do you want to associate with someone who may be defrauding social security?

Do you want to associate with someone who once proudly claimed she was judgement proof?

Do you want to associate with someone who found it funny the student loan company was frustrated because she wouldn’t pay them what she borrowed for her education?

The list goes on and on!

Many of you are contemplating your position now.

Ducky knows this.

It’s not a maybe, it’s a given considering all that is happening now.

While you can, walk away!

While you can, tell her you’re done!

While you can, take back control of your life and move on!

The diet that worked for you doesn’t matter.  In life we’re all tasked with one thing, do unto others as you’ll have done to you.  Kimmer is not the diet.  You know this.  Act on what your intuition and gut has been telling you for a long time now.

Step away.

Leave.

You will be okay without Kimmer.

No amount of money is worth what she is doing to you or others.

You know that!

When Kimkins Disappears or Goes Defunct

It’s coming, it’s in the air, you can feel it.

Kimkins is limping along now and each day a new revelation is knocking one more brick away, weakening the structure and will of those within.

When the time comes and Kimkins.com goes defunct or completely disappears, those within need a place to go and find online support.  Below are online communities we feel comfortable recommending you bookmark for when you need a place later!

Active Low Carber Forums

Livin’ La Vida Low Carb Discussion (we hear this is where Becky is now making home online)

A Pinch of Health

Good luck to those who are still within Kimkins.  For other forums, please check the comments as we’re sure other forums will be identified as places to review and check out when you need a place to retreat to in the coming weeks and months!

Is Becky Banned from Kimkins?

Earlier today, Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) insisted that

“Becky’s decisions are her own which is why I took offense at anyone prying for details. My last word is that Becky is not banned. It was her request to no longer be moderator. She logs in nearly every day and chooses not to post. Her reasons are her own and it’s not our business.”

However a new site, Kkatastrophediet’s Weblog, created by a Kimkins member (and perhaps a staffer with access to server logs?) insists,

It has been said that Becky is not banned.

I know different. LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE. All of you who think everyone showing dissention is a mole, it is time to wake UP.

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August 28, 2007 at 4:50 pm

Obo

Becky is definitely banned…there is no way she’d log in (as claimed by Kimmer) and not at least reply on the thread asking if she’s okay, especially since her grandson has been sick….she knows members would worry, so she’d at least post SOMETHING.

It’s not the first time a previous staff member was banned….Cutie, Kiki….they were banned for discussing something in PRIVATE MESSAGES that Kimmer read. Talk about LOW!

August 28, 2007 at 6:45 pm

LCer

Oh course she’s banned; or her password changed so same thing. Kimmer NEVER let’s someone in disagreement with her have access to the site again….way too many ways they could make her look bad!

August 28, 2007 at 8:23 pm

Megan

Amy (Curlygirl) was a moderator too (she posts still on LCF) and she’s now gone and no longer moderating either.

Looks like Kimmer is losing lots of people at once lately – who’s next?

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Our understanding is that Amy is no longer an admin, but is still a member and posting as one within the Kimkins site. Thanks for the information though! We appreciate it.

August 29, 2007 at 10:38 am

Becky (Littlebit) Update — Banned from Kimkins? » Kimkins Controversy

[...] Becky been banned? Kimmer says no . KKatastrophediet blog, the new blog from a disillusioned but still stealth Kimkins member, says [...]

August 30, 2007 at 12:21 am

anonymous

New admin to replace Becky: Gary “lasttime4me”, joined 06-01-07, lost 70 lbs so far, fitday link:
http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJournals.html?Owner=%7Elasttime4me%7E
Was offered to another member who accepted, then reconsidered, citing other obligations…
don’t really want this to be a comment, but thought you might find this interesting–seems as if anyone qualifies as a moderator now a days…feel sorry for the guy–he’s unaware of what he’s getting into….

August 30, 2007 at 2:02 pm

theTRUTH

theTRUTH shall set you free. As I said on KKatastrophediet comments: Becky is banned, locked out, whatever you want to call it. I can independently confirm this as fact; confirming Kimmer is a liar, as if you already didn’t know.

August 30, 2007 at 2:06 pm

theTRUTH

There are a LOT of new Admins as of a few days ago. Cut them some slack. They know not what they do, and are as fooled as everyone else is/was (including Becky). Just proxy’s to take hit for Kimmer. Obviously I need to stay anonymous and can’t post my thoughts on the inside.

August 30, 2007 at 2:52 pm

theTRUTH

from KKatastrophediet today:

WHO HEARS HORSES????

Becky was banned. She says: “I posted my email address on the site a few weeks ago, the first time my password quit working, in case I ever disappeared suddenly. If that cannot be found, I can always be reached here.”

Told you. Who’s the liar? Plain and simple. If she lies about this, what else does she lie about? Horses, people. Horses!

August 30, 2007 at 3:54 pm

lovinlowcarb

Becky is giving a lot of information in her comments on her blog posts…it’s obvious that Kimmer is lying, but that’s no surprise, really.

The Tangled Web at Kimkins

Kimkins Dangers reported the recent departure of long-term staff member Becky (Littlebit) yesterday, whose introductory biography disappeared from the ‘Meet Your Team’ page over the weekend. The disappearing act followed two weeks of silence from Becky on the site, no new posts and no replies to member queries.

Yesterday it was apparent, even without any word from the site management, that Becky was no longer associated with Kimkins. Her blog was scrubbed of all affiliate links, her Daily Plate was locked and almost all references to Kimkins removed from posts on her blog.

One question remained unanswered, why did Becky leave Kimkins?

Yesterday, when a thread appeared in the Kimkins Cafe forum asking if Littlebit was okay, Christin explained,

“Kimmer said that Becky (Littlebit) is taking a break and starting a family business, but we hope that she’ll be back to post soon!”

Dissatisfied with that reply some members pushed for the ‘real reason’ Becky left, and late last night Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) stepped up to answer, after confirming that Becky was paid staff, Kimmer went on to say,

“She and I had differences about how the website should be run. She was concerned that her comments as a moderator could leave her vulnerable to liability of some sort. She requested to be removed as moderator a few days ago, although she stopped posting and answering emails several weeks ago.”

Keen eyes noticed within minutes that reply was edited, removing the hint of Becky’s concern over liability, and a member called Kimmer on the revision,

“Kimmer, you above post originally had this sentence in it:
She was concerned that her comments as a moderator could leave her vulnerable to liability of some sort.

But then you removed it!! I think Becky is concerned about the low calorie and low fat aspect of kimkins and that’s why she left.”

To which Kimmer replied curtly,

“You’re right. She is concerned about being legal liability.”

A member pressed on,

“So what did she tell you was her concern?”

Keep in mind, this member has paid Kimmer for her membership as have others within the site. Members paid subscriptions pay the salaries of those on staff and without members no one would be paid. So, members do indeed have a right to ask questions of those they are paying! Yet, Kimmer shut down the member with one short sentence,

“To be honest, you’re bordering on rude.”

Other members and paid moderators swiftly stepped in to defend Kimmer and effectively shut down any continuation of the discussion along the lines of legal liabilites, literally attacking the member who dared to ask questions.

At this point, this morning, the thread is filling with ‘feel good’ let’s all be nice to each other and remain positive type posts.

One critical question must be asked, in Becky’s departure, who lied to members?

Christin initially stepped up to say Becky left to start a new family business. She stated this was what Kimmer told her. Kimmer however candidly offered up the explanation that Becky was concerned about her vulnerability as a paid staff member, thus resigned her position to avoid potential legal liability, with no hint of starting a business or anything else as part of her reason for leaving.

So, did Christin lie to members by offering a benign reason to explain Becky’s departure, even though she was aware of the real reason, or did Kimmer initially lie to Christin who simply repeated the lie she was first told?

If Christin simply repeated what she was told, how does she now feel knowing she was lied to, and then left lying to members with Kimmer’s made-up excuse to her?

If Christin did know the real reason and simply put forward something that sounded better than the truth, how do members feel being lied to?

How do members within Kimkins feel about one of the two, or both Kimmer and Christin lying to them when they’ve paid for a membership subscription, and as such deserve to know what’s happening?

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August 28, 2007 at 3:47 pm

Joanne

Lookie what I found:

http://kkatastrophediet.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/the-last-word/

August 28, 2007 at 3:58 pm

Kimkins Dangers

We have now heard, but not verified yet, that Becky was actually banned from the site.

As with other people who “left” but were actually banned, the kimkins site administrator left their profiles visible with post count, etc, to make it “appear” as though they were online from time to time.

August 28, 2007 at 4:52 pm

Obo

A lot of people are suggesting that those who are “rocking the boat” and asking the wrong questions might be moles…..My thoughts….those who are so vehement in their ass-kissing to Kimmer, they’re the moles! A mole isn’t going to rock the proverbial boat, but someone like OSusana or Vernswifevickie – they’re so far up Kimmer’s butt, she couldn’t see if they were moles or not! Not saying those two are, but a mole is usually someone who really tries hard to portray loyalty and isn’t going to jeopardize their access by rocking the boat is all I’m saying!

August 28, 2007 at 4:54 pm

LCer

So typically Kimmer!

Gotta keep the “Negative Nancies” from saying anything, no negativity ladies….you won’t lose weight if you’re negative! As if concern, questions or the like is going to hinder weight loss. How unreal!

If I were Christin and Kimmer lied to me and I then wound up lying to the members, I’d be royally pissed. If Christin willfully lied for Kimmer and I was a member, I’d be royally pissed.

August 28, 2007 at 5:01 pm

gracie

Notably, Cutie last “logged” into her kimkins account on July 15 but we know Cutie was banned back in April. So there’s evidence of Kimmer faking log ins of banned members.

August 28, 2007 at 5:42 pm

fancypants

Most likely, she didn’t ban any of them, but just changed their passwords so that she could control their accounts. And read their PMs. Or post as them.

August 28, 2007 at 8:19 pm

Josh

Oh what a tangled web kimmer weaves!

August 30, 2007 at 4:29 pm

The Meet-up That Wasn’t « Kimkins Exposed

[...] the recent departure of the beloved moderator Becky, how long until others begin to jump the sinking ship called [...]

One Week, One Day, Teen Advised to go to Mother & Doctor

It took one week and one day, but finally, today, an adult member of the Kimkins site set aside the risk of being banned with no refund and did the right thing, she advised the teenager being cheered by other members, site administrators and Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) herself:

I am just worried about the low calories and extreme low fat for you at your age. I have a daughter who is 14, too, and I (and our doctor) would not want her to eat such a low calorie and low fat diet. I hope you will take the diet to your mother, father, and/or doctor and go over it with them. You need to be monitored by a doctor when you are so young and losing so much weight. You also might want to consider losing the rest of this weight more slowly and with more fat and calories.

I did not like people to tell me what to do when I was 14–I still don’t! And no one wants to have someone rain on their parade, but, but, but, I would not be able to live with myself if all I did was congratulate you on your success in self-control without pointing out the risks and suggesting that you involve your parents and doctor. Your self-control and maturity could be exercised just as well on an appropriate diet for a young woman your age.

Courage!

It takes just one person with the courage to stand up and do the right thing!

Ducky applauds you!

Kimmer Encourages Child to Continue On!

A commenter noted that Kimmer replied to the teen asking for help. We’ve verified that Kimmer did reply and this is what she responded with:

Kimmer (Admin)

Re:I need more calories

I agree with all the replies above, except about needing more calories simply because of your age. A calorie is a unit of energy, that’s all. If we eat too much energy, it’s stored as fat — whether you’re 14 or 84. If you have excess body fat, you have CALORIES hanging there, again whether you’re 14 or 84.

However, if you want to up your calories, simply add more food. You’re a teenager, so a couple servings of dairy are important (or use supplements with your doctor’s advice). String cheese, Dannon low carb yogurt, broccoli, kale, cottage cheese are good sources of calcium and will give you extra calories.

If your goal is to only add more calories, drink 1-2 meal replacement shakes in addition to your food choices. It’s easy to add calories if that’s your goal.

I disagree about adding fruit until you’re at maintenance. There’s little there nutritionally compared to the high carbs. Nothing that can’t wait a bit until you hit goal. You’re much better off with a 1/2 cup of sweet potato than an apple, as an example. More fiber, more antioxidants. And …

But if you’re listening to “other sources”, think logically and think about hidden agendas.

Notice Kimmer did not, as she clearly stated she did in her podcast with Jimmy Moore, turn this young girl away. She did not tell her that such an extreme low calorie level at her age and her current weight is dangerous. She did not implore her to go to her mother (or father) and ask for help from her parent(s). She did not suggest such dieting at her age should be under a doctor’s care and supervision. And she did not say emphatically that 500 calories a day is too few for a young girl.

No, Kimmer actually told this child that too many calories make you fat. The implication clearly that 500 calories is more than enough if this girl still has fat to lose.

And people wonder why sites such as this exist?

Now the world can see that Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) is allowing teens on her site, is recommending very low calorie intakes and is suggesting to a child to ignore those with concerns!

Child Still Cheered Along on Kimkins

The 14 year old begging for help the last few days on the Kimkins forums has posted more pleas for help and is still being cheered along by adults who should know better than to encourage a child to starve herself for weight loss!

Not only has Kimmer remained silent to this child’s question yesterday, other admins on the site have offered little more than “I would also love to hear from Kimmer in your case! Hopefully she will come and answer your question too!” and “Please remember to always take care of yourself FIRST! Eat more protein choices, and play with your menu a bit.  Don’t be afraid to experiment with adding new veggies to the mix too!”  These tidbits were from none other than Deni, who has been cheering this child along this whole time!

Adults on the site have been less cautious, one replied to the question of eating more than 500 calories a day “that is all i am eating too!”

Another told her, “If you are eating sufficient protein then just add in some good fats which will up the calories. As fats are 9 calories per gram (instead of 4 calories for protein and carb) you don’t have to eat that much for it to add up.”

We’re still waiting to see if Kimmer even replies, and if she does if she will tell this child to go to her mother and ask to be taken to a pediatrician for help, that the Kimkins diet and forums are not appropriate for a child.

14 Year Old Begs Kimmer for Help

Our teen being cheered in the Kimkins forums for starving herself has reached out to Kimmer in the Ask Kimmer thread in Kimkins Cafe.

Kimmer do you have a fitday. I want to see what you eat daily.
I have only been eating about 500 cals a day… I need 800-1000…
Any tips for me? sample menues… soemthing?

We’re watching and waiting to see what Kimmer (heidi Diaz) replies with, especially considering she claimed in the podcast with Jimmy Moore that she turns teens away from her site.

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August 23, 2007 at 10:14 am

Teen on Kimkins Starvation Diet? » Kimkins Controversy

Teen Spamming for Kimmer

While the teen cheered on by those inside the Kimkins forums may have turned off access to her Fitday, she’s been busy online trying to drum up business for her heroine, Kimmer!

1200+exercise – the magic formula. Beware of eating too FEW calories.

…Shattered Memory…

http://www.ashley.movexalong.com/blogold.html

Maybe she’ll remove these too? She is, afterall, only 14 years old! It’s unbelievable that she’s cheered in the Kimkins forums for eating at starvation levels. It’s downright unconscionable that she’s allowed to promote through spamming!

We really hope her parents intervene here!

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August 23, 2007 at 8:52 pm

sam

I dont think you should be broadcasting this poor sirls life.
Really. If shes overweight… it’s her right to do something about it.
If she decides she wants to promote a diet that clearly helped her… then why are you accusing her of having an eating disorder?

Do you think you are doing any good by bashing kimkins?
Do you think you are makign the world a better place by bringing this 14 year old girl down?

Update: Teen on Kimkins

The fitday for the young teen girl being cheered on Kimkins forums, notably by Deni, is here.

Read it and weep.

Shame on Deni for promoting this disordered eating in a child!

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August 22, 2007 at 8:57 pm

Kimkins Dangers

A wide range, from 156 to 1080, but averaging about 400 calories a day from the posts available. That’s horrible, truly.

Someone is going to die before they figure out over there that being thin does not automatically ensure good health.

August 22, 2007 at 9:44 pm

Rob

dear God

Something has to be done about this. Heidi is going to be responsible for someone’s death one day….guaranteed.