What Happened to Ducky??

Ducky just decided to fade away into the unknown. The blog was pulled, the photos were pulled. The account wiped clean. Even the email no longer works.

Why??

Did ducky feel like all the work was done in bringing Heidi down??

Did Ducky get cold feet??

We will probably never know why they decided to pack it in. Our many questions will most likely go unanswered.

I may ruffle a few feathers but I’ve got to say my piece here. Many of us have busted our rear ends doing things to further tighten the noose on ol’ Heidi, adding one more nail in the coffin. Does Ducky not realize how much valuable information was lost when they decided to pull the blog. Or do they just not care any more.

I fully understand possible activist burnout. I’ve hit the wall many times over the years in the fight for various causes. But I never just gave up. Deleting the blog was childish in my opinion. If they weren’t interested in the fight anymore it would have been very easy just to leave the blog dormant or pass it on to someone who would use it.

Were they afraid someone may find out their identity??

I say so what.

The fight is long from being over with. The truth STILL needs to be told. Oh yeah….one more thing to say…..

WE AIN’T DONE YET

Sinking to a New Low: Intimidation Tactics

Dottie, a much loved admin at Low Carb Friends, just publicly released an email she received earlier this month from Kimmer (Heidi Diaz), its contents a thinly veiled threat to her and her child.

Hey Dottie! I hate to write you on a weekend because that’s family time, but we got an email at Kimkins this morning.* It said they were going to “help me” by posting photos of the admins at LCF.* They mentioned CITY and that you had a CHILD.*

Dottie, you’ve always been a good friend to me and I have nothing to do with this.* I figure it’s just a nut.* We’ve both had our share of those.*

They were using a proxy so the IP was fake and I deleted it.* It’s probably nothing, but “heads up” anyway.* Like I said, it’s probably just a weirdo with nothing better to do than write this stuff.* Sorry it’s a weekend.*

This is the type of person Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) is. She uses people to her advantage and when she’s done with you, there is no low she will not sink to in an attempt to silence criticism through intimidation and fear.

Dottie however saw through it, and saw it for what it is,

I was angry and upset when I got the email, which was probably the point of sending it, but I realize it was probably a scare tactic.

Others are speaking out on the various forums of their own receipt of emails that are threatening, filled with hate or trying to scare them off continuing to tell others about the dangers of Kimkins.

WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED!

WE WILL NOT BE INTIMIDATED!

If you’ve received threatening or intimidating emails, contact your local police department and file a complaint! You’re also free to share them here, in our comments, in confidence or to be released publicly!

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September 25, 2007 at 6:18 pm

Kim

Now wouldn’t most “normal” people actually forward the e-mail they got to their friend and say “hey, i thought you might want to see this?”…Yes, I said most NORMAL people.

Good thing Dottie saw through it, but it’s pretty creepy, even for Heidi, to resort to those kinds of tactics.

September 25, 2007 at 7:02 pm

Dottie

Thanks Kim, and to all the great people who sent me nice PM’s and posts. I wavered for 2 weeks about posting it. Between the implied threat and just being freaked out a little, I wasn’t sure what to post.
I sincerely appreciate the support I’ve gotten since “coming out”.
Thank you.

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September 25, 2007 at 9:06 pm

Sweetie

Sorry, but can someone please tell me how that was a threat? I’m a little slow when it comes to reading between the lines.

September 25, 2007 at 9:42 pm

Tam (Kimkins refugee)

Kimmer likes to *pretend* that she is so computer illiterate, yet she says “They were using a proxy so the IP was fake and I deleted it.” I’ve used computers every day for years and I don’t even know what that means! LOL

So much for poor little “computer illiterate” Kimmer. Yeah, right. She pretends to be dumb (so the blame can be placed elsewhere) but we know who is controlling the Kimkims Kingdom.

September 25, 2007 at 10:08 pm

Dottie

Sweetie, I can’t really explain the feeling of threat towards my son it gave me.

I can say that the timing was pretty ironic: the admin exodus had started; the former admins set up blogs telling of the goings on at kk; the lawsuit had just gotten under way. There was a lot of new info about false claims (foster children, fundraisers, ex family members being contacted, etc) and I’m sure kimmer was feeling the walls closing in.

I feel this email was an attempt to get me to pressure LCF to remove the fascination threads, which I never did even consider asking for. Or maybe to get me to quit, who knows? Since her admins were fleeing in droves, maybe that was the intention.

No, I do not think that the Kimmer I knew is still in there anywhere. I do not think this email was some altruistic gesture to warn me of some “nut job” or “weirdo” out of any genuine feeling of friendship she has for me.

I feel that it was a threat and a scare tactic to try and get me to cave in some way.

September 25, 2007 at 10:27 pm

CR

Love you Dottie…call me if you need me, I’ll come over and kick some ass for you

Heidi is just soooooo wrong.

September 25, 2007 at 11:04 pm

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September 26, 2007 at 12:23 am

Sweetie

Dottie, I guess I don’t understand because I don’t know who you are? I’m sorry your child was mentioned. Too low.

I agree that this will not be over until she is put out of business! Maybe then my hair will stop falling out

Christin: Kimkins was “wrong way” to lose weight

In a no holds barred reversal of her previous interview at Weight Loss Tips, Christin has clearly articulated her misgivings about the Kimkins diet and warns others not to follow the very low calorie regiment if they value their long-term health.

“Weight loss is about health, not speed. If I had it to do over again, I know now that while quick weight loss is desirable and attractive, it is not necessarily the best for my body.”

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Getting to Know Tippy Toes

One of the newest admins at Kimkins is Jeannie Baitinger, aka ‘Tippy Toes’ in the Kimkins forums and Low Carb Friends forums. For the purpose of keeping things simple here, we’ll refer to her as ‘Tippy’ throughout.

Tippy joined Low Carb Friends back in April 2004 when she started a low carbohydrate diet (Atkins) and weighed 263 pounds. Since that time she’s admittedly struggled to lose the weight desired and declared herself at goal on September 8, 2006 after losing 100 pounds. In the last year she’s maintained her weight between 150 and 155 pounds, alternating between Atkins and Kimkins. Why we make this an issue is that she recently wrote a positive 5 star review at the BBB for Kimkins, on September 7, 2007,

This is the BEST weight loss website I have been to yet! Thanks to Kimkins.com I have lost 112 lbs, have never been sick, got off blood pressure and cholesterol meds and I feel terrific! I have NEVER experienced anything but positive help from the site and I was NEVER told to use laxitives OR lower calories–ever.I cannot say enough good things about the website. I tried other weight loss plans and they did not work but that Kimkins sure did! And I have medical records and pictures to prove it. Just ask me for them.

Within the Low Carb Friends postings she’s made, it’s clear she did not follow Kimkins exclusively.
In fact, through her own posts at Low Carb Friends, we learn she lost 47 pounds following Atkins, stalled for six months, moved to South Beach, then Eat Fat Get Thin, then a Fruit Rotation regiment, then Kimkins, and then finally a rotation of Atkins and Kimkins.

Yet, in the above review she attributes her entire weight loss to Kimkins. This may well be because she was the featured weight loss success recently in the Kimkins newsletter (issue 20). In that feature she states she started with Atkins and then found Kimkins when her weight loss stalled, she was frustrated and “starving and felt terrible…I was desperate.” In that feature she also willingly states she alternates between Kimkins and Atkins. This fact is curious given Kimmer’s (Heidi Diaz) disdain for Atkins and its allowance for higher fat meats and dairy. When we review the situation, it is clearer why Kimmer is open to Tippy saying many of the things she does in her success story. Kimmer is losing staff left and right and needs to replace staffers fleeing her company and site. She knows one thing about Tippy, and that’s her long standing desire to be an Admin at Low Carb Friends, a position she is now more than willing to extend to Tippy now that she, Kimmer, is desperate.We recently learned that over the years Tippy has long desired a position of Admin at Low Carb Friends and has made this desire known to many close to her, including Kimmer prior to her departure from that forum.

Last year Tippy stirred up things on a weight loss challenge thread on Low Carb Friends by being very critical of the Low Carb Friends admins at the time. She made it known she believed she was qualified to be an Admin and when a position as one was not offered, she started passing along private information about the Low Carb Friends admins behind the scenes in emails and Private Messages in an attempt to turn them on each other. In those communications we are told she alluded to questionable behavior by the Low Carb Friends Admins at a pig roast in Tennessee she attended, allegations we will not detail here, but suffice to say included implications of inpropriety between Admins whom were not married to each other.

An attention junkie like Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) she spent months attempting to garner a position of Admin within Low Carb Friends to no avail, but her desire to be one continued.

As soon as Kimmer offered an Admin position to Tippy, she jumped at it and quickly told her friends, expressing her delight at the opportunity. We’re told she said she was thrilled by the “authority” Kimmer entrusted her with and also expressed a grand plan to completely revamp the Kimkins diet plans into something she believed would be healthier and much less objectionable to those concerned over the safety of the plans as currently written.

May we remind her she need only look as far as Becky to see such changes will not be tolerated by Kimmer. Read Becky’s Reasonable Appeal to make changes and Kimmer’s reply point by point.

What is more disturbing than her less than accurate BBB review however, is that she’s taken to doing Kimmer’s biding on Low Carb Friends. In a very recent post there, she laid the groundwork to instill doubts in the minds of those concerned about Kimkins and Kimmer by questioning not only the motivation of those engaging on the Facination thread, but also attempted to lay blame for the entire situation on one individual, former business partner Catherine (whose husband is releasing details of that partnership at Slamboard).

Her post, titled Are We Being Used, includes the following,

Just a thought. Notice the person who started this thread is a junior member (meaning newly registered) and does not continue to post? Notice so many junior members coming in now? It is easy to assume they are from Kimkins site BUT I wonder about the truth in that assumption for many reasons. One, I recall Catherine telling X LCF members how easily identity can change so they could come back without admins knowing it was them… Cutie–remember that? Two, I notice the junior members seem computer savvy enough to post info and pics I would not have a clue about myself… Now I am not saying every single junior member here is ficticious. But I think many may be. Tom, can you check out this possibility?Is it possible this whole thing has been created by the ex biz partner, who is clearly mad as heck? Also, keep in mind it is the same creator of slamboards and…perhaps Ducky? Oddly enough, Catherine admits it was her idea to start a website for Kimkins–not Kimmers. So I don’t think Kimmer spent countless hours here plotting but I think Catherine did. Also, Catherine just thought Kimkins was a wonderful plan and fully endorsed and followed it, according to her. Until the partnership disolved, that is. Now it can kill you…WTH?

And the Kimkins survivors blogs… Are they real? How do we know? And the 14 year old–was that real?
The threats to anyone who is a moderator for her site–threats of fraud and lawsuits… A bully tactic for sure to intimidate them into walking out. The claims of KimATC being 50 lbs over weight…How rude was that, asking her how that Kimkins diet was working out? In fact, that statement points that Kimkins doesn’t work and we have established it does. We all have weight problems which is why we diet. The pressure is on–but by whom? The reasons seem pretty obvious.

Don’t get me wrong. I KNOW there are some of those people here in a genuine manner. I know a couple of you from her site and I know you had concerns (even if you are ALL at goal now thanks to her diet). I do not agree with cutting calories further in the event of a stall either. But perhaps Kimmer was in the learning process herself and it was a bad decision, or mistake. And maybe Kimmer did gain weight back and won’t tell. Take a good look around this site. How many people have gained their weight back and refuse to remove the skinny avitor pics and change stats accordingly? I think many of us are guilty for that.

Are we all puppets on a string being manipulated by a raging X partner?

We know in the past Kimmer has taken to manipulating situations to motivate individuals to do things they might not do on their own. An example of such behaviour in the past is the January 2007 blog by Jimmy Moore, where he attacked Low Carb Friends and did so in a scathing and vicious manner. He’s since retracted that post, but our memory is long here and we’ve been told that Kimmer’s input was indeed the impetus for that post.

It’s interesting that many of the points Tippy brought to her post at Low Carb Friends are now the same points Kimmer is trying deperately to convince her members of within the Kimkins forums. It appears much of Tippy’s post contents were scripted by Kimmer. Tippy seems unaware of the manipulative instincts of Kimmer and may not realize how she too is now being used by her as a means to an end.We ask this, Tippy how could you associate yourself with Kimmer given all the facts now in the public view?

EDITED TO ADD
We’d like to remind readers that this is the same Tippy Toes who organized the fundraiser for Kimmer’s (Heidi Diaz) phantom foster children last summer. Tippy accepted the position of Admin after revelation of the fact Heidi Diaz has no foster children and has not had foster children in her care since at least 2000.

Kimkins Members Attack Child on Kimkins Forum

In an update following the dangerous advice to the 14 year old girl within the Kimkins website (clearly contrary to Heidi Diaz’s claim that teens are not allowed in her site), the teen posted that she’s doing better, eating more calories and seeking advice for health outside the Kimkins site. In what can only be described as a viscious attack on this child, members were quick to reply with the following, and keep in mind these are adults replying to a child,

OSusana: Glad you lost the weight on KIMKINS…. You didn’t LOSE iT eating bananas and bread, peanut butter and oatmeal…
You lost it following Kimkins…. Good for you… We are here to lose weight just like you did…. DOING KIMKINS…. why on EARTH would we want to break away and go eat bananas
and all the other carbs that made us fat….?

Surley you jest…. pffftttt…

.o.. go eat your peanut butter and banana sandwiches….

Another adult, who appears to know this is a child, replies,

this topic you created called its NOT over…. we ADULTS know how to eat well and HOW to encorportate other types of food back in our lives in moderation, we also know how to see our medical doctor for any concerns and we adults know how to take our multi-vitamins daily.. It’s NOT about the food, its about how you live your LIFE. I am happy that you lost the weight and then created a plan that is good for YOU.

Kimmers way of eating has saved thousands if not millions of lives and WE LOVE KIMMER and protect her from people like YOU.

so please go about your merry way and take your ass on!

The thread has since been deleted, but email verifications of its existence and all posts made remain. Amazing how adults treated this child, isn’t it?

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September 7, 2007 at 3:53 pm

Kim

How could anybody do this to a child? Let alone a child who is obviously reaching out for help. My guess is, the 14 year old probably got banned too.

September 7, 2007 at 4:22 pm

kkatastrophediet

Yes and apparently I was banned over this thread for informing the obnoxious posters that it was a 14 year old–rethink your posts.
I also told the girl Congrats and she should start her own blog, with permission of course.
Definitely a reason to be banned from a site I PAID FOR. Thread’s gone but I have screen shots, so, it’s not forgotten…

September 7, 2007 at 4:26 pm

OddManOut

“Kimmers way of eating has saved thousands if not millions of lives and WE LOVE KIMMER and protect her from people like YOU.”

I’d like to see the statistics to back that claim. After they’re finished genuflecting.

September 7, 2007 at 4:26 pm

kkatastrophediet

And, another thing–the posters claimed not to know it was a 14 year old, and that she should let someone know. How about we do two things:
1) Don’t allow minors to remain members by refunding their money and blocking them AND
2) You posters (you know who you are) should not speak to anyone that way–what makes you think it is okay if it is a grown up? Open mouth insert FOOT.

September 8, 2007 at 7:26 pm

osuzana

My comment is THIS!

I made the comment to the poster, not knowing she was a 14 year old… HOW would anyone know that?

and Don’t you dare chastize me about how a person should address another adult on this issue… You all created this heat…at LCF
I have been to the LCF and read the horrible way peolpe over there referred to the people on the Kimkins web site…

We were “brainwashed” idiots who were drinking “the kool aid”
nice huh?

These are Outrageous statements, and there were many, many more..

My comments to this so called 14 year old were justified… after SHE made comments about how she lost the weight successfully while ON Kimkins,

and then turned around urging everyone to get out while we can… and then wondering if she would get banned because of it??

I was defending the web site and the plan…it works…she just admitted that!
And you bet, there are a lot of people on edge at that web site…so of course we will defend it, and since there was no way of knowing she was 14 we defended it as though she were any other of the adult moles in there spying stealing peoples posts, and spreading BAD AIR, and urging people to defect.

I simply told her to go eat her peanut butter and banana sandwiches, after SHE JUST GOT DONE BRAGGING in that very post that was WHAT SHE WAS eating! although not in that order…

I am so SICK of seeing half truths about this diet.
WE DON”T CARE ABOUT KIMMER…..we are there to lose weight, can’t you GET that?
I don’t want to have coffee with her, or see if she pays her taxes.

many of you have NOT even done the plan, so how would you know?
and most of you ignore the fact, that this plan WORKS!!!

and you ignore the fact that many did not join the web site to sit with kimmer…whomever she is…. WE DON’T CARE!!!

The web site is “us” the people who enjoy being there!
We have formed a wonderful community there, it is the people on the web site that make the web site what is is … not Kimmer..

Now that it is invaded by LCF worms it is very hard to be there anymore.
and that is sad…

Let me ask you this… when you joined LCF…did you join it for TOM? or for the community support?
I joined LCF for the support and when I joined I didn’t even know WHO Tom was …nor did I care.

I’m beginning to care tho’ because of the blood thirsty lynch mob his site has spawned… what is going on there, is no better than what kimkins is being accused of… ruthlessness on both sides..its sick!

I have read posts on LCF stating how horrible the Kimkins site is because of her deleting posts and banning people, and reading PM’s

ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? SERIOUSLY????
I think she learned how to do that FROM LCF. What a joke!
WHAT A JOKE! Are you all forgetting something??
LCF was the forerunner of Kimkins… she got good training.

It’s time LCF looks in its own back yard and cleans it up, before it goes any further launching vendettas against someone else!

I am leaving Kimkins… Not because of anything that the community there has done…
but because of the underhanded deviousness that LCF has allowed to happen there.. when I post something and then see it elsewhere and only with half the truth, then I consider that deviousness, and just outrageous…

when you have to go STEALING peoples posts and twist them to your own way of thinking, or not state the whole truth, wellll… then something is just messed up!

Don’t have enough ammunition for your hate vendetta?… OK go dig some up and twist it your way… NICE!

as FOR THE 14 YEAR OLD…I AM SORRY TO HAVE OFFENDED HER… not my intent to a 14 year old… that is NOT who I am.
But she wrote what she wrote…and are you all saying a 14 year old can’t think abnd write what she feels because she is 14?… hogwash!
I knew what I was doing at that age. 14 year olds are NOT stupid!

Stop looking for excuses to fly your evil plane… stop using a 14 year old to keep your hate crusade going .
Get over it!

You need to know I am not defending Kimmer…. I am defending my post over there, and the GOOd people on that web site!

——————–

Thank you for stopping by. You’ve spectacularly shown the world exactly the type of person you are. Bravo!

September 8, 2007 at 10:17 pm

osuzana

Thank you for stopping by. You’ve spectacularly shown the world exactly the type of person you are. Bravo!

You are so very welcome!…
perhaps I have shown the world that there are 2 sides to every story… and exposing, and explaining, something that is misleading is the RIGHT thing to do!

The “Sensationalism” in this headline is VERY misleading, It reads like a rag sheet ……like the National Enquirer….
NO ONE “ATTACKED A CHILD” tell the WHOLE true story… (yeah right)!

September 9, 2007 at 1:02 am

kkatastrophediet

It was Kimmer’s responsibility to block her access, per her stated “policy” as soon as she knew she was a teen. Instead she advised her she didn’t need anymore calories, KNOWING FULL WELL it was a teen. You don’t care who Kimmer is? Many members don’t. What does that say? There are MANY good people on that website, and thanks to the fact that I tried to let you and others know it was a 14 year old girl, in a non-confrontational way, I might add, I WAS BANNED. Were you? I was on that site for a year, and it is an awesome place for support. Unfortunately it is also a place where teens are told to not eat more (true, whether you want to admit it or not), where people are manipulated (you’ve seen Becky’s blog, right?) and where the owner is involved in shady business practices. If you are not defending Kimmer, does it really matter what address is on your screen and where your support comes from? No, if you’re not defending Kimmer, it shouldn’t.

September 9, 2007 at 1:17 am

GinaC at LCF

Good thing you don’t ‘CARE ABOUT KIMMER’ cause apparently Kimmer don’t care about you. Don’t believe me? Go read Becky’s latest!

September 9, 2007 at 1:27 am

graciej

Hi Osuzana,

Just wanted to let you know that I posted your comments at ALC, not LCF. I posted the whole thing. I didn’t twist it. How was it “half truth”? They were your words.

I find it hard to believe that you didn’t know that she is 14 because she has been a topic of much discussion on this blog and lcf for the last few weeks. But even giving you the benefit of the doubt that you didn’t know she is 14, there is no excuse for that type of post directed at anyone. It was rude, period. But really, it was typical for you.

I have done kimkins. I have experienced the negative side effects that have been discussed here and elsewhere. I will continue to shine the light on the inside goings on of kimkins.com until that site no longer exists.

September 9, 2007 at 1:31 am

mariasol

How would you NOT know that she was 14? She had her pics in her signature (the same ones that have been posted all over the internet by now) AND there is that little button under her name that shows her birthdate when you click on it. This girl never hid her age on the board.

September 9, 2007 at 1:45 am

Karen

So, Osuzana…you don’t care that Kimmer sells her website and her diet plan based on her own success with it….even though that success has been proved to be a lie?? Have you read the blogs about Kimmer? Do you see all her lies? The lies she has been telling for years? And that honestly doesn’t bother you???
I really can’t understand that mindset.

September 9, 2007 at 1:56 am

Kimkins Dangers

So.. you’re all so close over there, such a great bonded community, so tight knit and loving and all that.. but you didn’t know that regular poster (who WE all knew) was a teen? Riiiiiiight.

September 9, 2007 at 2:31 am

Kimmerexia

osuzana freaks out: “We were “brainwashed” idiots who were drinking “the kool aid”
nice huh?”

That’s “brainwashed idiots who were drinking the SUGAR-FREE Kool-Aid,” hun.

Diet Coke flavored. That way it’s even allowed during extended periods of fasting and laxative abuse.

September 9, 2007 at 7:17 am

kkatastrophediet

Were you banned? Let us know! List being compiled at
http://kkatastrophediet.wordpress.com/

September 9, 2007 at 2:21 pm

ban kimmer

Again I maintain WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU? Every kimmeroonie supporter is so angry and ugly when posting. Sorry that some of us found fault in the way you spoke to the teen. Let me make it easier on you, I don’t care if you were talking to a kid or adult your post was juvenile! Go eat your peanut buter sandwich? That’s so stupid. You sound like the fat kid at the playground picking on all the other fat kids.

We, the people who actually care about people haven’t even made those fat joke comments to your leader as we have all been there done that at some time.

Why is it ok for you to make ugly comments like that?

Because you are just as bad as her. You don’t care about anyone but yourself, and you don’t care about anything but the diet working.

Well punkin I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again….the diet does work, so does crank, heroin and tape worms but no one is touting useing those are they? DUH! Of course if you stop eating and drink only water or diet coke you’ll lose weight a retarded monkey could have figured that out. What you need to understand is you are doing damage to your metabolism.

But don’t think about that now. And when you are 40 yrs old and you can’t lose all the weight you will gain back let’s see who’s hurling fat jokes then ok? Sheesh!

September 10, 2007 at 1:22 pm

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October 3, 2007 at 7:33 pm

schemingturkey

hey everyone,

i just joined and wanted to say hi.

October 19, 2007 at 6:44 pm

hollywoodheidi

Hi! I just found this forum and it looks really cool.

Now, I gotta run off and read some posts.

October 25, 2007 at 2:01 pm

Speajepireeld

What’s Up?,

I’m just starting here. And it feels like an awesome forum.

I just wanted to give a nice hello to all of you here.

-Dana

November 14, 2007 at 11:14 am

keydaytaf

Hello
I’ve just registered at the forum. This is my first message.
Please don’t become angry about me.
Thank you.

January 3, 2008 at 1:22 am

WhereistheLOVE

osuzana’s comments, her demeanor and energy in general is what perpetuates the stereotype that women are “catty”.

April 11, 2008 at 4:52 am

upliftist

Hello my friends

Kimkins Imploding from Within

Members are slowly coming to realize the deception.

A member wrote:
I just read on Christin’s blog that she had health problems from the woe.   She told everyone she was given a clean bill of health.  I guess that ws after she was treated for the problems?

Another just replied:
Im not sure if it was Christin that said she got a clean bill of health or those were Kimmers words.
Nevertheless the truth is coming out about this plan.
Of course we all want to lose weight
Of course we want to lose it fast
But long term damage to your health wasnt listed as one of the side effects when i signed up
Of course your going to lose weight only eating 500 calories a day ….duh
The real Kimmer needs to show herself as she is not who she says she is
She had her stomach stapled many moons ago to lose weight
And has since regained it all plus some
they’ve found out the truth
Stay tuned to the news and magazines…….

Kimkins, Not Safe for Diabetics, as per TOS

Kkatastrophediet posted today about the changes to the Kimkins site Terms of Service. Within the change is a notable warning,

This program should not be attempted by anyone with the following conditions without prior approval from their physician: pregnant or nursing mothers, patients with history of gout, kidney failure or disease, gallbladder issues, those under the age of 18 and those with blood glucose issues such as diabetes or hypoglycemia. The content relayed on Kimkins.com is not to be interpreted as advocating the self-management of your medical condition(s) or those of your family.

Contrast that with the promotional page ‘Thinking About Kimkins?’ that lures the unsuspecting with the following bold statement,

Is Kimkins good for diabetics? Kimkins is perfect for all diabetics!

It appears Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) will say anything to convince those reading her promotional material to sign up and pay her $60, even if it means potentially compromising the health of someone with diabetes. How shameful.

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September 4, 2007 at 3:36 pm

Concerned about kimkins

Bla bla bla “don’t sue me.” Bla bla bla “don’t tell anyone what I told you.” Bla bla bla “pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.” Wtf ever. Wow…someone is really good at slide of hand!

Don’t forget Kimmeroonie, you said it was good for diabetics on your pod cast.

September 4, 2007 at 3:57 pm

Kimkins Dangers

Kimmeroonie, lol.

The “safe for all diabetics” issue is one that I have been very upset with from the beginning. Now suddenly her tos is changed and if you read the entire post at the Kkatastrophe blog, you’ll see how many times it says “WE ARE NOT LIABLE FOR ANYTHING BAD THINGS THAT HAPPEN TO YOU ON THIS DIET”.

If the diet is so great, so healthy, so wonderful, why would they need to say that?

September 4, 2007 at 4:06 pm

Concerned about kimkins

Uh….let me expound….that would be because kimmeroonie is staring at the business end of a class action lawsuit. Woops!

September 4, 2007 at 4:20 pm

Healthy LCer

This is still on her home page:

And, Kimkins is the perfect diet for type 1 and 2 diabetics! Our program offers superior blood sugar control. In fact, many type 2 diabetes members get off their meds like Glucophage and Metformin!

September 4, 2007 at 4:46 pm

Laura

A disclaimer does not absolve you if you continue to make statements saying the opposite. Her promotion and terms of service/disclaimer are not aligned, thus she remains open to liability!

September 4, 2007 at 4:49 pm

ooBoo

Kimmer is way open to liability, she knows it and pretends it’s not there. I seriously hope her members initiate a class action suit soon, they have cause and should take the opportunity while the irons are hot, hot, hot!

September 4, 2007 at 4:58 pm

Concerned about kimkins

Yup and don’t forget that she’s been dumb enough to record her claims for all posterity on Jimmy’s pod cast. Good thinking! All it takes is a first year law student and someone’s out of business and refuinding all of her clients money. )

September 4, 2007 at 5:36 pm

LisaLC

“Yup and don’t forget that she’s been dumb enough to record her claims for all posterity on Jimmy’s pod cast. Good thinking! All it takes is a first year law student and someone’s out of business and refuinding all of her clients money. )”

IF that was her. How do we know? What prevents her from saying it was someone else posing as her? It was just a voice recording, after all. She has woven a tangled web, for sure. I can hardly wait until this whole thing is blown wide open.

September 5, 2007 at 3:32 am

ban kimmer

Oh trust me, if it gets to a court phase, they are going to do all they can to prove that it was her, including but not limited to finding out how Jimmy contacted her to make arrangements, what phone number was used, what email to set it up. It will be substantiated. And the SSKimmer will be sunk.

To Deni

“It is a sad tendancy of modern men to either do the right thing in the wrong way or do the wrong thing in the right way. We either hold to truth obnoxiously or we hold to a lie graciously. We are either a rude angel or a polite devil. Often what poses as a cruel orthodoxy is defeated by what poses as a kind heresy” – George Grant & Mark Horne, from the book Unnatural Affections

With that in mind, we all must understand that cognitive dissonance is an innately human process that can muddle the ethical values of an individual without him or her even realizing that it is happening. The most basic of cognitive dissonance scenarios occur when a person whom an individual regards highly adopts a behavior that the same individual deplores.

The gulf between the individual’s admiration of the person (a positive attitude) and the individual’s objection to the behavior (a negative attitude) must be reconciled.

The individual can lower his or her estimation of the person, or develop a rationalization for the conflict (the person was acting uncharacteristically due to illness, stress, or confusion), or reduce the disapproval of the behavior.

This is why misbehavior by leaders and other admired role models is potentially very harmful on a large scale: by creating dissonance, it creates a downward drag on societal norms by validating unethical behavior. Tortured or inexplicable defenses of otherwise clearly wrong behavior in public dialogue are often the product of cognitive dissonance.

Remember, sin ripples; it affects the whole world.

Therefore, if a public person – by his or her pronouncements – trivializes an issue as important as health, we all must stand up and pay attention.

When someone lies to us or others, we must recognize it and accept our duty to not only abhor it, but if once a party to it, turn our backs and leave that person in their wickedness.

When someone says things which may bring harm to another, we must recognize it and accept our duty to not only abhor it, but no longer be party to such dangerous words.

As spiritual beings we’re called to account not only for what we have done, but what we failed to do.

Not only in how we see, but in how our Creator sees it.

2 Cor 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive recompense, according to what he did in the body, whether good or evil.

1 Cor3:12-15 If any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man’s work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.

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August 31, 2007 at 2:40 pm

Healthy LCer

I totally agree with this 100 percent. Christin is a strong Christian and therefore will be held accountable for anything harmful that she has advised people to do. If she did this unknowingly at first, that is totally different than
hearing people’s stories of illness and continuing to give unsafe advice.

Plus, advising children/diabetics is a WHOLE other category. And approving of what Kimmer is doing is just like SHE was doing it. Scripture tells us to FLEE
from evil. That’s what Christin needs to do…

August 31, 2007 at 3:02 pm

kkatastrophediet

Mark 9.43

And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched

August 31, 2007 at 3:39 pm

ooBoo

Bravo!

Deni, please leave! You can do it! You’re strong and know what’s right and wrong and what Kimmer is doing is wrong, wrong, wrong!

August 31, 2007 at 4:29 pm

theTRUTH

Hardly a credible source for a quote: but I am reminded of the spooky words of bug-eyed Marshall Applewhite, of Heaven’s Gate cult fame…

This applies to all of the innocent Admins there:

“Your only chance to survive–leave with us.”

I am sure many of you are at least considering it. You don’t want to be in a position of association with Kimmer when the stuff hits the fan. So put on your new black and white Nikes, grab your purple handkerchiefs and hit the door before it is too late. There will be folks here and elsewhere to stand with you, to hear your stories, and help you find a new home in which you can lose weight.

At least Marshall went out with his people. Do you think Kimmer won’t have self preservation as her first priority when it all comes down. Don’t you think she will try to shift blame? That is, if her identity isn’t so well insulated that she can’t just disappear. Why else would she be so careful to lie about EVERY part of her life and has never let anyone see her?

August 31, 2007 at 7:45 pm

Laura

I really hope Deni reads this and takes it to heart. She is too sweet to have her name associated with Kimkins any more!

Deni, sweetie, please get out of there!

September 3, 2007 at 11:50 pm

theTRUTH

Deni didn’t need our convincing. I thought as much. WTG Deni and Christin!

Christin’s Defiance!

The comments section of Becky’s recent post, Interesting Times, is quite revealing as to the disagreement with Kimmer (Heidi Diaz). Of note, Becky said in her comments,

As has been said elsewhere, I did not see eye-to-eye on everything. I have been told I have an incompatible view of Kimkins than just does not mesh. So be it.

From all of Kimmer’s posts, it is generally understood that her perspective about how to lose weight is fixed in stone and no deviation is allowed, otherwise you might as well do Atkins.This morning we’ve received a number of comments not to post, but to provide information that lead us to believe that Kimkins is crumbling from within. If anyone doubts this, they only need to look at how Christin is openly defying Kimmer in her replies today to members asking for help.

On the Ask Kimmer thread, Christin today wrote:

Everyone has to find their own balance. I understand the rush for whatever gets the weight off fastest. But, you also have to make sure that you’re taking care of your body as well. Kimmer’s fat might be higher than yours or lower than the next person because each person is different. You need to make sure that you are encorporating a healthy balance of good fats / lean proteins and enough veggies to give you some good nutrients and taking your vitamins every day. Really listen to your body and if you need to up your fat and calories a little it’s ok. But only eat when you are truly hungry and only till satisfcation. Don’t force yourself to the low cals. This will only get you discouraged and frustrated w/ your plan.

I did use K/E but I also encorporated a mix of Kimkins as well so I didn’t totally shun the vegetables. Veggies are good for you! Let’s face it, we didn’t get heavy by eating salad and broccoli, asparagus and tomatoes… it was the white carbs that did it to us! So don’t be afraid of the veggies…. KE is good for getting into Ketosis fast and getting that initial loss going… But get some veggies too!

This is so outside of Kimmer’s repeated reduce this, eliminate that, stop eating this, don’t eat that scolding that it’s remarkable to see. It seems Christin is indeed coming to her senses and it won’t be long until she herself departs or Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) locks her out like Becky!

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August 30, 2007 at 6:33 pm

Healthy LCer

Let’s hope Christin wakes up and hits the road. Hopefully Becky will share with her her feelings about this. Christin is continuing to give out information that is based on her ideas. She really needs to know the science behind
lowcarbing and quote Dr. Atkins or Dr. Groves. It’s like giving out a prescription without any background. Food is medicine. This is true, especially if you are diabetic.

August 30, 2007 at 7:28 pm

ooBoo

Wow!

It really may be the start of a mutiny!

How cool is that?

August 30, 2007 at 7:30 pm

LCer

Seems like Christin is getting a conscience?

August 30, 2007 at 7:50 pm

Josh

She’s smartening up. Bad advice can be deadly and I’m sure Christin doesn’t want to hurt anyone parroting Kimmer’s advice, so she’s going to say what is a better option and healthier. It won’t be long until Kimmer locks her out. Guaranteed. No one gets away with crossing that woman.

August 30, 2007 at 8:50 pm

Kan

Christin is giving advice that directly contradicts everything that Kimmer says!! So it seems she might actually be “getting” the dangers involved? But if that’s the case…why is she continuing to work for this woman???

August 31, 2007 at 3:36 am

kkatastrophediet

Christin has always had a conscience! What kind of PR/business move would it be to ban your cover girl and PR person? Christin will leave of her own accord; I have faith!

When Kimkins Disappears or Goes Defunct

It’s coming, it’s in the air, you can feel it.

Kimkins is limping along now and each day a new revelation is knocking one more brick away, weakening the structure and will of those within.

When the time comes and Kimkins.com goes defunct or completely disappears, those within need a place to go and find online support.  Below are online communities we feel comfortable recommending you bookmark for when you need a place later!

Active Low Carber Forums

Livin’ La Vida Low Carb Discussion (we hear this is where Becky is now making home online)

A Pinch of Health

Good luck to those who are still within Kimkins.  For other forums, please check the comments as we’re sure other forums will be identified as places to review and check out when you need a place to retreat to in the coming weeks and months!

Is Becky Banned from Kimkins?

Earlier today, Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) insisted that

“Becky’s decisions are her own which is why I took offense at anyone prying for details. My last word is that Becky is not banned. It was her request to no longer be moderator. She logs in nearly every day and chooses not to post. Her reasons are her own and it’s not our business.”

However a new site, Kkatastrophediet’s Weblog, created by a Kimkins member (and perhaps a staffer with access to server logs?) insists,

It has been said that Becky is not banned.

I know different. LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE. All of you who think everyone showing dissention is a mole, it is time to wake UP.

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August 28, 2007 at 4:50 pm

Obo

Becky is definitely banned…there is no way she’d log in (as claimed by Kimmer) and not at least reply on the thread asking if she’s okay, especially since her grandson has been sick….she knows members would worry, so she’d at least post SOMETHING.

It’s not the first time a previous staff member was banned….Cutie, Kiki….they were banned for discussing something in PRIVATE MESSAGES that Kimmer read. Talk about LOW!

August 28, 2007 at 6:45 pm

LCer

Oh course she’s banned; or her password changed so same thing. Kimmer NEVER let’s someone in disagreement with her have access to the site again….way too many ways they could make her look bad!

August 28, 2007 at 8:23 pm

Megan

Amy (Curlygirl) was a moderator too (she posts still on LCF) and she’s now gone and no longer moderating either.

Looks like Kimmer is losing lots of people at once lately – who’s next?

——————–

Our understanding is that Amy is no longer an admin, but is still a member and posting as one within the Kimkins site. Thanks for the information though! We appreciate it.

August 29, 2007 at 10:38 am

Becky (Littlebit) Update — Banned from Kimkins? » Kimkins Controversy

[...] Becky been banned? Kimmer says no . KKatastrophediet blog, the new blog from a disillusioned but still stealth Kimkins member, says [...]

August 30, 2007 at 12:21 am

anonymous

New admin to replace Becky: Gary “lasttime4me”, joined 06-01-07, lost 70 lbs so far, fitday link:
http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJournals.html?Owner=%7Elasttime4me%7E
Was offered to another member who accepted, then reconsidered, citing other obligations…
don’t really want this to be a comment, but thought you might find this interesting–seems as if anyone qualifies as a moderator now a days…feel sorry for the guy–he’s unaware of what he’s getting into….

August 30, 2007 at 2:02 pm

theTRUTH

theTRUTH shall set you free. As I said on KKatastrophediet comments: Becky is banned, locked out, whatever you want to call it. I can independently confirm this as fact; confirming Kimmer is a liar, as if you already didn’t know.

August 30, 2007 at 2:06 pm

theTRUTH

There are a LOT of new Admins as of a few days ago. Cut them some slack. They know not what they do, and are as fooled as everyone else is/was (including Becky). Just proxy’s to take hit for Kimmer. Obviously I need to stay anonymous and can’t post my thoughts on the inside.

August 30, 2007 at 2:52 pm

theTRUTH

from KKatastrophediet today:

WHO HEARS HORSES????

Becky was banned. She says: “I posted my email address on the site a few weeks ago, the first time my password quit working, in case I ever disappeared suddenly. If that cannot be found, I can always be reached here.”

Told you. Who’s the liar? Plain and simple. If she lies about this, what else does she lie about? Horses, people. Horses!

August 30, 2007 at 3:54 pm

lovinlowcarb

Becky is giving a lot of information in her comments on her blog posts…it’s obvious that Kimmer is lying, but that’s no surprise, really.

The Tangled Web at Kimkins

Kimkins Dangers reported the recent departure of long-term staff member Becky (Littlebit) yesterday, whose introductory biography disappeared from the ‘Meet Your Team’ page over the weekend. The disappearing act followed two weeks of silence from Becky on the site, no new posts and no replies to member queries.

Yesterday it was apparent, even without any word from the site management, that Becky was no longer associated with Kimkins. Her blog was scrubbed of all affiliate links, her Daily Plate was locked and almost all references to Kimkins removed from posts on her blog.

One question remained unanswered, why did Becky leave Kimkins?

Yesterday, when a thread appeared in the Kimkins Cafe forum asking if Littlebit was okay, Christin explained,

“Kimmer said that Becky (Littlebit) is taking a break and starting a family business, but we hope that she’ll be back to post soon!”

Dissatisfied with that reply some members pushed for the ‘real reason’ Becky left, and late last night Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) stepped up to answer, after confirming that Becky was paid staff, Kimmer went on to say,

“She and I had differences about how the website should be run. She was concerned that her comments as a moderator could leave her vulnerable to liability of some sort. She requested to be removed as moderator a few days ago, although she stopped posting and answering emails several weeks ago.”

Keen eyes noticed within minutes that reply was edited, removing the hint of Becky’s concern over liability, and a member called Kimmer on the revision,

“Kimmer, you above post originally had this sentence in it:
She was concerned that her comments as a moderator could leave her vulnerable to liability of some sort.

But then you removed it!! I think Becky is concerned about the low calorie and low fat aspect of kimkins and that’s why she left.”

To which Kimmer replied curtly,

“You’re right. She is concerned about being legal liability.”

A member pressed on,

“So what did she tell you was her concern?”

Keep in mind, this member has paid Kimmer for her membership as have others within the site. Members paid subscriptions pay the salaries of those on staff and without members no one would be paid. So, members do indeed have a right to ask questions of those they are paying! Yet, Kimmer shut down the member with one short sentence,

“To be honest, you’re bordering on rude.”

Other members and paid moderators swiftly stepped in to defend Kimmer and effectively shut down any continuation of the discussion along the lines of legal liabilites, literally attacking the member who dared to ask questions.

At this point, this morning, the thread is filling with ‘feel good’ let’s all be nice to each other and remain positive type posts.

One critical question must be asked, in Becky’s departure, who lied to members?

Christin initially stepped up to say Becky left to start a new family business. She stated this was what Kimmer told her. Kimmer however candidly offered up the explanation that Becky was concerned about her vulnerability as a paid staff member, thus resigned her position to avoid potential legal liability, with no hint of starting a business or anything else as part of her reason for leaving.

So, did Christin lie to members by offering a benign reason to explain Becky’s departure, even though she was aware of the real reason, or did Kimmer initially lie to Christin who simply repeated the lie she was first told?

If Christin simply repeated what she was told, how does she now feel knowing she was lied to, and then left lying to members with Kimmer’s made-up excuse to her?

If Christin did know the real reason and simply put forward something that sounded better than the truth, how do members feel being lied to?

How do members within Kimkins feel about one of the two, or both Kimmer and Christin lying to them when they’ve paid for a membership subscription, and as such deserve to know what’s happening?

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August 28, 2007 at 3:47 pm

Joanne

Lookie what I found:

http://kkatastrophediet.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/the-last-word/

August 28, 2007 at 3:58 pm

Kimkins Dangers

We have now heard, but not verified yet, that Becky was actually banned from the site.

As with other people who “left” but were actually banned, the kimkins site administrator left their profiles visible with post count, etc, to make it “appear” as though they were online from time to time.

August 28, 2007 at 4:52 pm

Obo

A lot of people are suggesting that those who are “rocking the boat” and asking the wrong questions might be moles…..My thoughts….those who are so vehement in their ass-kissing to Kimmer, they’re the moles! A mole isn’t going to rock the proverbial boat, but someone like OSusana or Vernswifevickie – they’re so far up Kimmer’s butt, she couldn’t see if they were moles or not! Not saying those two are, but a mole is usually someone who really tries hard to portray loyalty and isn’t going to jeopardize their access by rocking the boat is all I’m saying!

August 28, 2007 at 4:54 pm

LCer

So typically Kimmer!

Gotta keep the “Negative Nancies” from saying anything, no negativity ladies….you won’t lose weight if you’re negative! As if concern, questions or the like is going to hinder weight loss. How unreal!

If I were Christin and Kimmer lied to me and I then wound up lying to the members, I’d be royally pissed. If Christin willfully lied for Kimmer and I was a member, I’d be royally pissed.

August 28, 2007 at 5:01 pm

gracie

Notably, Cutie last “logged” into her kimkins account on July 15 but we know Cutie was banned back in April. So there’s evidence of Kimmer faking log ins of banned members.

August 28, 2007 at 5:42 pm

fancypants

Most likely, she didn’t ban any of them, but just changed their passwords so that she could control their accounts. And read their PMs. Or post as them.

August 28, 2007 at 8:19 pm

Josh

Oh what a tangled web kimmer weaves!

August 30, 2007 at 4:29 pm

The Meet-up That Wasn’t « Kimkins Exposed

[...] the recent departure of the beloved moderator Becky, how long until others begin to jump the sinking ship called [...]

Kimmer not CASA

For quite some time now, the page with information detailing biographies of the Kimkins staff has been available to anyone visiting the site. The biography for Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) states:

Kimmer lost an amazing 198 pounds in 11 months and shared her simple secret with thousands of overweight people in various internet forums for over 5 years. In March 2006 Kimkins.com was born to facilitate spreading the word that there’s a faster way to lose weight than with traditional diets. Kimmer personally answers weight loss questions from members in the “Kimkins Cafe” forum. She earned a graduate degree in Public Administration and serves as a volunteer Court Appointed Special Advocate (CASA) for abused children.

Last week, Kimkins Dangers reported that Kimmer may not be a CASA, when they posted about information received that included “I think it’s also noteworthy that Heidi is still claiming to be a C.A.S.A. volunteer for the Riverside County courts system — but according to an administrative contact who remembers her, Heidi was a volunteer “several years ago”

Today, Kimkins Dangers has verified that Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) is not a CASA and has not been for quite some time.

They included contact information for “anyone [who] has any information as to monies sent to Kimmer for foster children (address where checks were sent, paypal account names, check endorsements [who signed the check and cashed it?]) and any other relevant info, please contact Barbara [Riverside CASA] here:

Program: Riverside Satellite
Contact Name: Barbara Hofman, Site Manager
Address: 9991 County Farm Road
City: Riverside
State: California
Zip Code: 92503
Phone: (951) 358-4305

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August 27, 2007 at 7:24 pm

Fluffer Nutter

FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD – I hope they send her to jail!

Kimkins Trickle Down Theory of Weight Loss

With Kimmer a tad busy, it seems members are jumping in to offer advice to each other. This might be a good thing if the starvation concepts advanced by Kimmer didn’t seep down deep into those following the diet.

A member recently asked for help on the Ask Kimmer thread:

…stayed on the diet for five days and not lost a pound so I gave up. Hard to stick to something that is not working for me….eveny just a 1/2 pound would have been nice. My fit day is public so if anyone wants to look at it, feel free. I hope someone can help and maybe I will feel excited about starting again. Thanks to anyone who will try…

After someone suggested a public fitday to review, the member complied, and sure enough, other members were at the ready to give advice.

Before we look at the advice, the member’s fitday clearly shows that

8/13
518 calories
13 grams carbohydrate

8/14
938 calories
16 grams carbohydrate

8/15
608 calories
18 grams carbohydrate

8/16
488 calories
19 grams carbohydrate

8/17
254 calories
6 grams carbohydrate

Guess what advice they received?

You use a lot of cream – this might satisfy your coffee with cream in the morning – it does mine!

Please review the veggies you’re eating with the Kimkins Grocery list. When I started I counted the carbs and stayed under 20 per day – I now stay under 10 per day.

Hope this helps!

The plan works – now you have to work the plan.

Then there was this gem:

I’m not Kimmer either but and no where near my goal but your veggies are too high. You can only have 2 cups of the list one and 1 cup of list two or 3 cups of list one. You show you’ve gone over on most days. Also, no regular creamer if that’s the kind you’re using. Drizz has good advice too. Also, there were a couple of days you didn’t list…..so not sure if you went over on those days or just didn’t write stuff down. Beef also stalls me terribly, which is a shame because I love beef and can only tolerate the rest of the choice.

If you go back to the food list and really follow it, I think you’ll find you’ll do just great. Please hang in there, you are so worth it!

Notice no one said anything about the erratic and very low calorie intake? With a five day calorie average hovering around 500 calories, the problem is too many vegetables and cream, even though this member is remaining within the 20 grams of carbohydrate supposedly allowed on the diet?

Yes, what we see here is the trickle down theory of Kimkins weight loss advice.

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August 24, 2007 at 4:17 pm

Trish

Holy crap, I eat more calories in a MEAL than these people eat all day.

August 24, 2007 at 4:20 pm

Maggie

This is the insanity that is Kimkins. First it was Kimmer giving this type of dangerous advice, now it’s those who took her advice and ran with it giving it to others.

It’s like that old shampoo commerical, they tell two friends, and they tell two friends, and so on and so on…

Sick, really!

August 24, 2007 at 4:22 pm

KimkinsSUCKS

O M G

Kimmer really has warped people in how they think about food and calories. Now her members are giving out the same advice she used to and telling those already at dangerously low calories to eat even less.

August 24, 2007 at 4:25 pm

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August 24, 2007 at 4:29 pm

Dont Do Kimkins

If this doesn’t show people how Kimmer infects your mind, I don’t know what will.

August 24, 2007 at 4:30 pm

Josh

Wow, Kimmer keeps on hurting people, first by convincing them to starve, and now by them going around spewing her crappy advice as if it were gospel. How could none of these people see this person is eating so low for calories already?

August 24, 2007 at 6:01 pm

Marissa

Ducky, someone read your post here and actually told the person above to eat more calories! Not sure how long it will last on Kimkins site, or how quickly others will shoot it down….but someone is listening and trying to help inside too!

August 24, 2007 at 6:53 pm

LCer

All I can do is shake my head in disbelief. Now the members are indoctrinated, so Kimmer let’s them carry on with her advice.

August 24, 2007 at 7:39 pm

kkatastrophediet

http://kkatastrophediet.wordpress.com/

August 24, 2007 at 8:13 pm

Fluffer Nutter

This is so pathetic!

How can these people not see what they’re telling others to do is dangerous?

August 24, 2007 at 8:25 pm

Healthy LCer

This is really pathetic. Why don’t people do their own research and find out
how to correctly do lowcarb diets? It’s amazing how people just take the word of one person and read a magazine and think this is okay..

All lowcarbers should get Dr. Atkins book and read the science behind it. Sure it is a thick book, but isn’t their life worth it??

August 24, 2007 at 8:32 pm

Fluffer Nutter

Healthy LCer, you’re right….but people don’t want to actually do any work for themselves or their own health these days. Pop a pill, read a few sentences as a diet plan…..I’m to the point where if these people want to starve themselves, let them! But Kimmer, she needs to be held accountable for what she’s doing!

August 26, 2007 at 6:03 pm

Weight loss

[...] Kimkins Trickle Down Theory of Weight Loss … the problem is too many vegetables and cream, even though this member is remaining within the 20 grams of carbohydrate supposedly allowed on the diet? Yes, what we see here is the trickle down theory of Kimkins weight loss advice. [...]

January 4, 2008 at 6:31 pm

Kimkins Trickle Down Theory of Weight Loss « Diary of a Mad Housewife

[...] Trickle Down Theory of Weight Loss Posted on January 4, 2008 by BamaGal This is from “Just Ducky” , Kimkins Exposed, August 24, 2007: With Kimmer a tad busy, it seems members are jumping in to offer advice to each other. This might [...]

Getting to Know You: KimATC

We’ve taken time to introduce you to some members of Kimkins staff. Today we shall introduce you to the person who Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) considers the ‘fitness guru’ for her members, KimATC. Since joining the Kimkins staff, no photos of Kim are including for members to see her like other staff members. We only know what information is included in her biography:

Kim has been an NATA Certified Athletic Trainer for 15 years and has worked as an athletic trainer at numerous levels including collegiate, high school, clinic plus published research. She is presently working for a very large children’s hospital coordinating a biomechanical and neuromuscular research project on ACL injuries in female athletes. She has had articles published in The American Journal of Sports medicine, Journal of Athletic Training, and JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Association). She holds BS degrees in athletic training and sociology from North Dakota State University and MS degrees in Sports Medicine and Biomechanics from the University of Oregon. She is planning to pursue a PhD in Epidemiology. Kim not only has extensive experience working with athletes, but was a competitive power lifter as well. EDITED AUG 27, 2007 TO REFLECT CHANGES ON WEBSITE THAT REMOVED NAMES OF CHILDREN.

Her detailed biography and unique name led us to find her posting on various forums across the internet, including Low Carb Friends, CincyMoms and Low Carbo Nostra. What’s more, the details regarding publications in various journals hones in on who she is as we find one person with publication in each mentioned above, Kim D. Barber-Foss.

• JAMA. 1999 Sep 8;282(10):958-63
• J Athl Train. 1999 Jul;34(3):277-284
• Am J Sports Med. 2000 May-Jun;28(3):385-91

After reviewing the literature, it appears no other papers include her as an author, so it’s assumed she has not published more in the last seven years.

From her posts on CincyMoms, we learn she and her children moved to Cincinnati, which with her bio including her research at a children’s hospital, confirms our finding that she works at Cincinnati Children’s Hospital as a Research Biomechanist. This was learned on the North Dakota State University site where she is listed on the Board of Visitors, Emeritus Members roster. She is also listed among the Ohio Athletic Trainers’ Association OATA District 4 representatives.

Rumors we’ve received led us to review some of her posts on Low Carb Friends along with her profile. From her profile, we learn she has been active poster on Low Carb Friends, with more than 14,500 posts since June 2002.

A prolific poster on the forum, she complains about her job

“The new business manager they hired a few months ago is a real prick and he’s making it hard to like coming to work.”

She writes often of financial hardships and from the information we received, posters on Low Carb Forums have sent her money and one provided her with a used car. We have been unable to verify that information, so it is nothing more than speculation.

What isn’t speculation is that Kim remains at least overweight if not obese. Yes, the certified trainer giving advice is overweight/obese, hence no photographs of her on any of the sites she posts or Kimkins. She’s even, in the past, posted that she “did send away for Univ of Iowa’s gastric bypass surgery info. But that just seems so extreme.”And earlier this year maintained in her signature that her goals this year included:

Goal #1: 25 pounds lost by 2/15/2007
Goal #2: 50 pounds lost by my birthday 4/29/2007
Goal #3: To try and find “ME” again

With at least 50 pounds to lose, if not more, dedicated to Kimkins for quite some time now, on staff at Kimkins, and a certified athletic trainer, we have to ask “how’s that Kimkins working for ya?”

If you want to ask her yourself, you can email her if you look up her contact information in the above links as her email address is publicly available on multiple sites.

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August 24, 2007 at 12:46 pm

Blossom

She’s posted a lot on LCF about her struggles with weight and always seems to be starting over again and again, so I’m not surprised she’s still overweight. It does lead me to question her role at Kimkins though. It’s one thing to struggle on a forum, have your friends help you out and support you. It’s another to be on staff but unable to lose the weight and keep it off on a site that claims the diet works for everyone. If she’s still fat then she shouldn’t be telling others how to lose weight or exercise, she needs to do it herself and then, when she’s fit and thin, she can tell others what to do. Until then, she’s just another person who talks the talk but doesn’t walk the walk.

August 24, 2007 at 1:02 pm

Jane

Everyone on low carb friends knows Kim is fat. Fact.

August 24, 2007 at 1:04 pm

KimkinsSUCKS

ROFL

Kim is fat, Kimmer is fat, heck even some other staff are fat. And they’re hoping suckers will keep paying them money about how to lose weight?

PT Barnum was right!

August 24, 2007 at 1:07 pm

Joey

“The ugly and the stupid have the best of it in this world. They can sit at their ease and gape at the play. If they know nothing of victory, they are at least spared the knowledge of defeat.”
-Oscar Wilde

August 24, 2007 at 1:17 pm

Lu Lu

Anyone whose been on lwo-carb friends for a while knows Kim is still overweight. She starts the threads to lose five and then starts another one later when it hasn’t happened. If she would take her own advice and just do it, then I’d be impressed. She hasn’t, she can’t, so I haven’t bothered to read much of what she says anymore.

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August 24, 2007 at 1:46 pm

Gravely concerned..

Absolutely. Just think if a Weight Watcher leader was still large. Noone would go to the meetings. They are a visual aid to see what people can do on that particular plan.

You need to bow out of giving people advice until you haven taken your own advice.

I also think that Kimmer is overweight. If she wasn’t she would have plastered lots of pictures on her site. Gee..her son teaches photoshop!!

August 24, 2007 at 1:48 pm

Too Funny

Probably why she removed her fantasy signature a couple of months ago

KimATC
Certified Athletic Trainer

I’m living The Secret
1) I am financially secure 2) I am a money magnet. I receive checks from many sources. 3) My kids and I are healthy and happy and living in .4) I am a thin and beautiful woman

ROFLMAO!

August 24, 2007 at 2:22 pm

shelby

She changed her signature because of people being nasty to her. Everyone struggles with their weight. How many of these comments are left by people that are a perfect size 6? This has gone too far, she is free to lend her support as she wishes, we do NOT know that she is profiting from it as KImmer is, and publicly putting her personal info out there, BESIDES ridiculing her efforst to lose weight.

You should be ASHAMED. this has nothing to do with Kimmer. And I am one on lcf that does NOT support Kimmer, do not be mistaken by that.

August 24, 2007 at 2:45 pm

Oh My!

Kimmer has one credentialed person on her staff, and that person can’t follow the diet herself?

That’s rich.

August 24, 2007 at 2:46 pm

Oh My!

“She changed her signature because of people being nasty to her. Everyone struggles with their weight.”

I don’t struggle with mine and didn’t need Kimkins to figure it out. That Kim is out front and center as an expert about fitness and is supposedly doing the diet too, um, don’t you think she should be at least fit and lean (if not thin)?

August 24, 2007 at 2:51 pm

Down with Kimkins!

I’m sorry but if you swim with the sharks, expect to get bitten! I would never go to an obese personal trainer so if she (KimATC) is in fact obese she has some explaining to do.

She claims to have her lawyer working on this. To that I say good luck! She put her self in this position and needs to take responsibility.

And as someone else pointed out, if the Kimkins diet is the “second coming” why doesn’t she apply herself and lose the weight? Oh I know! Because the diet sucks and she probably knows this.

I love eating my “just dessert”. Lowcarb cheesecake is my choice!

August 24, 2007 at 2:52 pm

Joanne

From WordPress TOS: “the Content is not obscene, libelous or defamatory (more info on what that means), hateful or racially or ethnically objectionable, and does not violate the privacy or publicity rights of any third party”

Who’s site will be shut down first Kimmer’s or YOURS???

You should be ashamed, yes, (doubt you are) but you should be a little smarter in your zealous attempts to churn hits to your site. Get a “real” life…
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Everything contained within posts here is publicly available information, thus not in violation of the WordPress TOS.

Secondly, KimATC is a public figure, promoted by the Kimkins site for her credentials and expertise, therefore open to public scrutiny by those seeking the truth about the Kimkins organization and its staff, paid or unpaid

August 24, 2007 at 2:57 pm

Beth

How KimATC didn’t see that Kimmer was using her for only her credentials is beyond me. KimATC should tell Kimmer to go take a leap and take back control of how her name and credentials are being used. KimATC has earned her ATC, she’s earned her degree, she’s published in respected journals. That’s all Kimmer wants…to be able to brag she has KimATC on staff. If I were KimATC, I’d tell Kimmer to shove it.

August 24, 2007 at 3:02 pm

Freedomtochoose

How lovely that “Just Ducky” and all of you are so perfect (if indeed you all are real anyhow-could just be sockpuppets or inventions of Just Ducky for all I know). Whether or not this woman is overweight is none of your business and your complete invasion of her privacy is indicative of the appalling disrepect for human rights that members of this anti-Kimkins “cult” have displayed time and again while hiding behind their own anonymity. If you’re so perfect and have the courage of your convictions, stand up and be counted publicly. No? Oh, well… one can only hope that someday someone will send a lawyer to unmask you.

August 24, 2007 at 3:03 pm

shelby

“”This blog will be an expose of the Kimkins Diet website and its founder, Kimmer.

Because Jimmy Moore recently took appropriate action to disassociate himself from the Kimkins Diet Affiliate Program and promotion of the dangerous diet, he is no longer a target of our exposing the truth about Kimkins.

If you thought we dug deep to provide background on Jimmy Moore, you ain’t seen nothing yet! Come along for the ride with us as we expose the truth behind the Kimkins.com website, the Kimkins Diet and the woman behind it all, Kimmer.””

sorry, i missed the part where we were on a search and destroy mission for everyone associated with kimkins. I thought this was about heidi diaz.
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Those associated with, specifically on staff and promoted as such by the Kimkins organization, are open to public scrutiny if and when they’re are perpetuating the diet or plans. Thank you for your comments.

August 24, 2007 at 3:08 pm

Susie

I wouldn’t want to be Kim right now, but do think that if she’s on staff for Kimmer, she’s fair game and should be held just as accountable as Kimmer. Her weight? Another issue, but still, see the point that someone who is held up as the guru should at least be fit even if they’re not skinny.

August 24, 2007 at 3:12 pm

Laura

Kim would do well to quit Kimkins site and tell Kimmer to remove her from the Meet your Team page immediately. Then maybe Ducky will remove this post if she’s not on staff and no longer a public figure in the company?

August 24, 2007 at 3:18 pm

Kimkins Dangers

When selling a weightloss product or plan, those involved in the selling of said product or plan have to prove that it works.

If you saw a fat person on TV selling an exercise machine, what would you think?

Kimmer IS using KimATC’s credentials to sell Kimkins – promoting the fact that they have an ATC on staff. ON STAFF.

Would you buy a treadmill if the staff person marketing it was overweight?!

I do agree that struggling with a weight issue is not something to make fun of or mock in any way and I am not doing that at all.

However, if Kimkins is THE ANSWER that Kimmer says it is, there is no reason that anyone “on staff” should have a weight problem even after being part of the program for as long as KimATC has been.

That indicates a problem with the program.

August 24, 2007 at 3:32 pm

PosterAnon

KIM…..YOU NEED TO QUIT KIMKINS

KIMMER IS ONLY USING YOU TO MAKE MONEY

WHAT’S IN IT FOR YOU?

NOTHING BUT HEADACHES

QUIT

QUIT

QUIT

YOU HAVE EXCELLENT CREDENTIALS, DO NOT LET KIMMER KEEP USING YOU

YOU DESERVE BETTER THAN THAT

QUIT

QUIT

QUIT

DO IT

JUST DO IT

LEAVE KIMMER AND LET HER FIGURE THIS OUT ON HER OWN

SHE NEEDS YOU MORE THAN YOU NEED HER

August 24, 2007 at 3:33 pm

Rae

You people have serious problems, KimATC is a human being. and no one deserves to be attacked the way she has been in the above comments. You are just hateful and nasty.

August 24, 2007 at 3:35 pm

Maggie

Ducky, if KimATC disassociated with Kimkins and quit her staff position, would you remove this post about her?

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While she remains on staff and promoted as such, she remains part of the Kimkins team, thus this post shall remain. If she leaves Kimkins and is no longer on staff and is removed from the Kimkins team page, and no longer is providing advice within the Kimkins forums, then yes, this post shall be removed since she is no longer associated with Kimkins.

August 24, 2007 at 4:03 pm

Kimkins Dangers

I wanted to clarify my earlier comment – although anyone on staff at Kimkins is in some way responsible for the dangerous promotion of the dangerous diet and KimATC is not immune from that.. publishing her personal information was not a good idea, sorry Ducky.

Her email, and what looks like a work / business email, should not be involved with this debate. Her email at Kimkins would be more appropriate.

As many have said and pointed out elsewhere, KimATC is not known for promoting starvation / laxative abuse and the other dangerous information spewed about the Kimkins website.

She at least seems to have a head about her shoulders!

(But I do wish she’d put herself first and stop letting Heidi take advantage of her!)

August 24, 2007 at 4:39 pm

KimberDonkey

“Ducky” is a >300 pounder from LCF, who has been conspicuously absent from the Fascination thread for some time now. Hello Pot? Kettle calling……Is Ducky someone you want telling you what diet to follow (or not)?

August 24, 2007 at 4:43 pm

Josh

Hey Donkey……who would that be?

Alluding to someone isn’t fair….just say it and be done with it already!

August 24, 2007 at 4:45 pm

MeeMee729

Brilliant sleuthing! I had posted some questions re KimATC over at LCF, as I’d just realized she is not only a member there but an active (putting it mildly) poster. I just wanted to know if she was a real person (as opposed to one of Heidi’s a.k.a.’s and sockpuppets), and if so, I’d like very much to ask her what is her opinion of the whole controversy, what is her opinion of anorexia, the allegations of stealth marketing, etc.

But the “Admin” immediately deleted my post (as he’s done with nearly all my other posts in the fascination thread) and sent me yet another of his unbelievably rude PMs, this one accusing me of “attacking” KimATC.

So I’m glad to read your blog entry with all known info re this aspect of the controversy gathered into a single page. Fascinating stuff. I absolutely had no idea KimATC ever had a weight problem, let alone that she continues to struggle with it while dispensing fitness wisdom to one and all both at LCF and on-staff at the Kimdom.

August 24, 2007 at 4:45 pm

Kimkins Dangers

Ducky isn’t telling us what diet to follow or not. He is simply illuminating the dangers inherent in the Kimkins plan.

If you think it’s so great and healthy, why not post some *factual* information that supports that – such as peer reviewed medical studies showing how great and healthy a VLCD with laxative abuse is?

August 24, 2007 at 4:45 pm

Jane

Oh dear gosh….as if those from LCF don’t see the “Kimber” part of the Donkey name and are supposed to think it’s Kimber.

Give it a rest whoever you are, cause you’re not Kimber.

And no matter how fat or thin Ducky is, Ducky isn’t selling anyone a diet or taking your money. Kimmer is and she’s made millions off the suckers led to believe starving is the way to go.

August 24, 2007 at 5:19 pm

LadyRed

Kim is simply a prop for Kimmer, a prop to help lend credibility to her insane plans. Kim would do well to quit being used by Kimmer and publicly denounce the plan as unhealthy.

She reads and posts at LCF and saw everything about that child that you posted about here and DID NOTHING to help that child. She’s on staff and DID NOTHING when Deni was cheering her on, DID NOTHING when others were cheering her on, and DID NOTHING when Kimmer implied that what she was eating was fine because she has stored body fat, even if that’s just 500-cals a day!

Kim ATC should be held accountable like every other peon staff member over there who sits idly by while Kimmer continues on and makes millions at the health expense of others.

August 24, 2007 at 6:00 pm

Marissa

I think everyone here that’s said Kimmer is using KimATC only for her credentials is right. Kimmer is using Kim to make more money and from what I’ve hear Kim isn’t even being compensated.

August 24, 2007 at 6:16 pm

Crown of Snarls

Ducky, you are now considered a “shock bloqqer”

ROTFLMAO

Shock bloq Ducky

Too freaking funny!

The truth makes a lot of people angry, keep up the good work.

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QUACK!

August 24, 2007 at 6:17 pm

Janice

I feel bad for Kim. Not for the fact you easily found all the information you did and included it here, but because it’s obvious she’s just a puppet to Kimmer.

Kimmer is definitely promoting Kim as a reason to join and do exercise (that she herself says you don’t have to do, which is why she needs Kim, otherwise she’d be a hypocrite saying it now after years of saying you don’t need to exercise).

I too hope Kim quits and tells Kimmer to close up shop for her dangerous diet.

August 24, 2007 at 6:20 pm

Too Damn Funny

Hey Ducky!

Did you see what the LCF Admins said about you?

Since certain shock bloggers are going far beyond respectable reporting with vicious attacks on the weight of individuals and photoshopped faces placed on obese bodies – among other sleazy tactics – we are no longer permitting links and discussions of certain blog entries here. Please visit those blogs directly if interested in reading them. Thank you.

That was, of course, after the requisite housecleaning to remove all the links from this morning to here!

I BOOKMARKED YOU…..I’ll be back!

August 24, 2007 at 6:25 pm

Crown of Snarls

LadyRed

Excellent post!

Why oh why is KimATC being given a pass on HER responsibilities to that child?

Oh wait: could it be because people on LCF like her?
So she stood by silently while a child starved, but we like her, she’s a nice person.

This is sickning to even try to defend her.

August 24, 2007 at 6:34 pm

Wowser

Looks like Jimmy Moore was right about one thing, LCF is a bunch of Nazi’s!

August 24, 2007 at 6:37 pm

LCF SUCKS

Said it many posts ago, will say it again

LCF SUCKS!

August 24, 2007 at 6:37 pm

medusa

Sweeping thread-sanitation has taken place on Low Carb Friends in the “Why the Fascination with Kimmer Thread. ” All posts made today referring to not only this blog but others have been removed, and this warning added by LCF Administration:

“Since certain shock bloggers are going far beyond respectable reporting with vicious attacks on the weight of individuals and photoshopped faces placed on obese bodies – among other sleazy tactics – we are no longer permitting links and discussions of certain blog entries here. Please visit those blogs directly if interested in reading them. Thank you.”

Ducky, keep up the good, investigative work. We will never get to the bottom of this Kimkins/Kimmer fiasco without your digging. And with the thread sanitation, post removal, account suspensions, warnings, etc. happening at LCF, it appears, unfortunately, that the LCF administration has become as paranoid as Kimmer.

August 24, 2007 at 7:10 pm

Josh

KimATC is allowed to post about it on the lose 5 pounds thread though.

I agree that KimATC should quit Kimkins, it’s making her look sleazy!

August 24, 2007 at 7:14 pm

Molly

Ducky, watch out KimATC has her divorce attorney on this!

KimATC
“They crossed the line talking about my kids and my job. I will take legal action and have already spoken to the attorney that did my divorce.”

Somehow she hasn’t connected the above quote that names her kids is FROM THE KIMKINS site and in public view there! She’s blaming you! She needs to blame Kimmer for exposing her kids!

And her job, well again, her bio says where she’s published, you connected the dots with those journals. Oh, and SHE SAID HER NAME HERSELF on LCF at least twice as “Kim Foss” when she was patting herself on the back about her boss saying something nice for a change!

August 24, 2007 at 7:23 pm

flowerpower

I hope to God people don’t go after Kim at work or her family in any way. I am disappointed to see some of this stuff posted.

As some of us have known KimATC since early 2000 and cared a lot for her, we’ve been advising KimATC to quit her job with Kimmer since the whole red dress controversy began.

Kim used to adamently support Kimmer on LCF constantly, and would complain when anything negative was brought up. At that time, KimATC said she knew the red dress photo was the current Kimmer. When questioned further, she admitted to never meeting Kimmer, just through the internet and possibly telephone.

KimATC refused to ever acknowledge being paid to work for Kimmer, although she did announce on LCF that she had a 4th job – working for Kimkins. I’m assuming she referred to the fact that Kimmer was paying her.

I’m also assuming Kimmer told her to quit posting on the Kimkins controversial stuff on LCF, as KimATC had the admins remove all her posts, and she wasn’t heard from again until today.

KimATC – since you are reading this – DO THE RIGHT THING! Quit letting Kimmer take advantage of you! Is the money she’s paying you really worth this?

It’s too bad it came to this Kim, I wish you would have listened to ‘your lcf friends’ many weeks ago.

August 24, 2007 at 7:25 pm

Stop the Insanity!

Kim is a published author in scientific journals and allowed that to be in her bio. It’s a no-brainer someone can look up who she is in pubmed with very simple keywords and name comparisons.

Besides that, she’s said who she is in her posts on LCF, so her name is out there already by her own words. So are her kids names. Big deal, who is going to do anything to her kids? She’s used them as her avatar on LCF for a while now and never thought it was a problem until today?

And what exactly is her divorce attorney going to tell her? Sorry Kim, your information is public? It says right in her bio she works at a children’s hospital. She’s on the lists linked to with her work information (she should be thankful she didn’t use her home address for those!)

She is staff for Kimkins and until she disassociates, I think she’s as culpable as everyone else on staff for the dangerous information.

You play in the dirt, you get dirty.

Quit Kimkins KimATC!

August 24, 2007 at 7:46 pm

Toni

Lots of good comments here. Kim ATC should realize that her association with Kimmer and Kimkins affects her credibility and that disassociating now is a good option to consider. There is too much bad stuff happening at Kimkins and Kim doesn’t need this all. I think she should quit. Forget the lawyer-upping crap, just get out of Kimkins and be done with it.

August 24, 2007 at 7:52 pm

Fluffer Nutter

Kim all I can say is you lay with dogs you get up wtih fleas.

August 24, 2007 at 10:12 pm

medusa

The most annoying/frustrating part of this whole fiasco today on LCF is that Kimmer et al are probably out celebrating tonight. A great fount of information has been silenced.

August 24, 2007 at 11:11 pm

flowerpower

medusa – that may be true, but KimATC has on her own chosen Kimmer over LCF. Who knows if Kimmer told her to make a choice or not??? It wouldn’t surprise me.

I just can’t believe she chose the faudulent Kimmer??? There is just too much information here for anyone to follow Kimmer. Those that continue to support Kimmer and her fraud must have their heads in the sand at this point.

August 24, 2007 at 11:13 pm

Fluffer Nutter

Now I’m thinking Kimmer is paying her….LCF hobby and no income, easier to leave than a paycheck!

Ducky said above that if she quit Kimkins, he’d remove the post here…she just left LFC, that’s saying something without saying a word!

August 24, 2007 at 11:17 pm

flowerpower

If KimATC is being paid, she should probably talk to that attorney about what will happen to her if there are any lawsuits filed against Kimkins.

August 24, 2007 at 11:26 pm

Medusa

flowerpower, I wasn’t clear in my post.

The “great fount of information” I was referring to was the “Why the fascination with Kimmer?” thread on LCF, not KimATC.

The recent posts on that thread were thought-provoking, thoughtful, concerned and relevant re the dangers of Kimkins. Now the silence on that thread is deafening.

August 25, 2007 at 12:13 am

MeeMee729

Part of the silence on the fascination thread is because so many of our posts were (and are continuing to be) deleted as soon as almost as soon as they’re posted — and then we were/are treated to rude/hostile PMs from “Admin”.

The last one I received was — and I am not kidding — a warning that I am AGAIN in violation of the LCF TOS because of the “extensive use of font and color” in my posts.

August 25, 2007 at 1:25 am

Medusa

MeeMee729, you’re not alone. I can’t believe they censured you for so-called “extensive use of font and color” in your posts. That is utterly ridiculous.

I also received a “warning” from the LCF Admins this morning after I made a post that included a quote from another forum member. Mine was an innocuous post and was not rude or off-topic in any way. This was the message I received from the LCF Admin’s:

“Please do not just post to quote other posts. This adds to the length of the thread unnecessarily.”

I found it rather odd because posters before me had included many quotes in their posts. This happened shortly before the thread was sanitized. After receiving the “warning,” I discovered that my account had been suspended.

The thread tonight continues to remain relatively silent, with only a few senior members’ posts having passed muster with the Admins.

August 25, 2007 at 1:41 am

Janey

Wow.

August 25, 2007 at 1:42 am

LCF admin nazis

Yep, LCF are definately as paranoid as Kimkins with there cleaning up of the thread.

I really dont’ understand them. Isn’t it to their benefit that people are having discussions on there saying how kimkins (technically their COMPETITION) is bad?

LCF admins seriously need to lighten up. I too am getting sick of the contstant infractions for pathetic reasons. Too much font and colour in your post? good grief give me a break. I dont’ know if it’s one admin in particular or all 3 of them that are freaks.

What’s the name of another good low carb discussion board? I’m done with LCF.

August 25, 2007 at 1:57 am

flowerpower

Sorry about that confusion medusa – I have not been following the thread on LCF the past few weeks. Today was the first time I looked at it in quite some time. It’s too bad so many posts on that thread were deleted today. So many of them supported KimATC as a helpful lowcarb friend.

I know there has been lots of information about anorexia and eating disorders, but I have not spent time reading that stuff, as it does not apply to my life at this time. I did learn enough from the early on posts to watch the behavior of my own children, though.

KimATC has helped many people at LCF. She has been relentless with her support of anyone with injuries, me included. Her presence will be missed. Her support of Kimmer will certainly not be missed by many.

Kim now realizes, I’m sure – that she has put way too much of her personal information out there, considering she continues her support of the fraudulent Kimmer. When she signed on to become a staff member at Kimkins, she probably should have watched her back more closely. She knew from years ago that many people did not agree with Kimmer’s theories.

But, she made the choice to leave LCF – maybe her employer forced it, but it was still Kim’s choice.

August 25, 2007 at 3:36 am

Kan

Is that why the fascination thread is so quiet??? I knew I was missing something today! What in the WORLD are they so afraid of????

Meemee, I remember your post regarding KimATC. There was NOTHING wrong with it. Those administrators are such losers.

August 25, 2007 at 4:42 am

lalah

Since its obvious that people can pretend to be whomever and whatever they choose online – how do we know for certain that this KimATC person is the same as the published, highly accomplished, physical trainer Kim? Perhaps that name was chosen because there’s a verifiable identity trail behind it. I mean, I’ve never heard of a 300 pound personal trainer educated in sports medicine and working as a – what? – biomedical whatever, but broke and needing donations???? Very strange to me, just doesn’t add up. Of course, anybody can get into money trouble, but with all of those credentials it just seems like that person would be sitting pretty or at least have plenty of resources.

Just my opinion, but the whole KimATC person sounds about as legit as Kimmer, who’s also trying to convince people that she’s a freelance writer.

Seems also that someone with that much going for them wouldn’t have time to make 50,000 message board posts – but whatever!

August 25, 2007 at 5:10 am

disappointed

I’m not sure where the line of decency is regarding KimATC’s personal information… but nonetheless, I’m very disappointed by LCF lately.

Shame on LCF…
* for NOT allowing discussion and dissenting viewpoints (as allowed for other controversial diet threads) on Kimkins support threads where they could actually *MAKE A DIFFERENCE*.

* for using google ads to draw more and more people to the Kimkins starvation WOE with ads for “free Kimkins forums”.

* for increasing the importance and seeming legitimacy of the Kimkin woe by (at the very LEAST) not grouping it in “Other Plans”.

Many diet message boards DO care about ensuring that the diets their sites discuss are healthful, and immediately close threads that promote kimkins, VLCD, long-term fasting, etc. Not only are Kimkins support threads allowed, but now concerned “friends” aren’t allowed to post a gentle “hey, isn’t 500 calories too low?” Isn’t anyone concerned that LCF probably has many more 14 year olds viewing its site (and possibly even being cheered on, unwittingly) than the infamous paid diet site?

Meemee: the excessive font and color violation is pretty unbelieveable. Wow… many people use customized font/colors for their posts!

August 25, 2007 at 1:54 pm

Kimkins Staff Fitness Guru is Overweight » Kimkins Controversy

[...] Kimkins Exposed has written a lengthy and controversial post about KimATC, the Kimkins staff diet guru: With at least 50 pounds to lose, if not more, dedicated to Kimkins for quite some time now, on staff at Kimkins, and a certified athletic trainer, we have to ask “how’s that Kimkins working for ya?” [...]

August 25, 2007 at 3:47 pm

lovinlowcarb

“The thread tonight continues to remain relatively silent, with only a few senior members’ posts having passed muster with the Admins.”

Check again…even one of those went “poof” and another was edited.

*sigh*

For those you asking about another lowcarb support site–I think Active Low Carbers is pretty cool–and they have an active Anti-K blogs thread that allows people to actually discuss what’s going on in the Kimmer controversy. Can’t talk about LCF much on it, which is ok by me…but plenty of freedom to talk about Kimmer and these blogs.

August 25, 2007 at 3:54 pm

MeeMee729

Hi Medusa. So sorry this has happened to you too. As far as your account being suspended, I think we can assume the Admin is reading this and the other anti-K blogs, and suspending your account is his way of punishing you. Poor little dictatortot.

August 25, 2007 at 4:00 pm

MeeMee729

I for one am boycotting Netrition. As most of you probably already know, Netrition = Forum Friends LLC = lowcarbfriends.com

They are or appear to be the same company and share the same geographic/physical mailing address and telephone number:

20 Petra Lane, Suite 6
Albany NY 12205-4977
518-464-0765

Now, as far as this particular Admin is concerned — is he the sole authority? What do the other admins (the list I have is comprised of Cheri, Dottie, etoi, and Jim) think about the whole Kimmer/Kimkins mess, and what do they think the control freak tendencies of He Who Shall Remain Nameless? Are any of the other admins willing to intervene in this reign of error?

August 25, 2007 at 4:10 pm

MeeMee729

Thank you Kan! I’ve been having a little pity party all week, LOL Sorry to everyone who had to listen, and I appreciate the opportunity to vent.

The PM re “extensive use of fonts and colors” was as I said the last straw for me. For one thing, absolutely nothing in the TOS says anything about the use of fonts and colors. I only ever used one color in any of my posts — blue, because it’s easy to read and I happen to like that color for typing, so sue me — and I only ever use one font in any of my posts, too — Comic Sans MS — ’cause it’s cute

Here’s the relevant section of the PM…
Reason:
——-
Excessive use of fonts and color
Please post in the default font and color that everyone else uses. It is not appropriate to make your posts stand out compared to others. Thank you.
——-

Not appropriate to make my posts stand out compared to others? What about so many members who use colorful Signatures in every single one of their posts? Colorful signatures spread over several lines and using fonts, smileys, etc. They don’t “stand out” ?

Isn’t that the whole purpose for having those features on the board? So that people can use them, to express their individuality?

Oh wait, individuality is bad and must be stopped. D’oh!

August 25, 2007 at 6:08 pm

MeeMee729

Correction: It’s Friends Forums LLC, not Forum Friends. Sorry about the goof.

August 25, 2007 at 7:00 pm

Medusa

LCF Admins Hypocritical??

I found it rather odd when I checked out the LCF “Fascination” thread this afternoon that post #7998 posted on 08-25-2007 at 02:23 p.m. had been allowed/approved by LCF Admins, especially in light of their warning yesterday where they stated that…

“Since certain shock bloggers are going far beyond respectable reporting with vicious attacks on the weight of individuals and photoshopped faces placed on obese bodies – among other sleazy tactics – we are no longer permitting links and discussions of certain blog entries here. Please visit those blogs directly if interested in reading them. Thank you.””

I think the inclusion of the before and after pictures in post #7998 is insensitive and in extremely bad taste, especially the “before” picture. I may be way off base here, so I’d be interested in finding out if it strikes anyone else the same way. To my mind, LCF Admins are patently hypocritical.

Here is the post by kingstu:

“Kimmer has done a fantastic job of taking pieces from Atkins, Stillman, and South Beach, combining them into one very low calorie diet and dispensing nutritional advice with no credentials whatsoever. She has created a “cult of personality” which is evident by the number of her defenders on the Interweb.

What boggles my mind is how can even one person defend her when she refuses to post a photograph or even give an in person interview? Has anyone seen Jimmy Moore’s blog. You can’t stop the guy from posting photos, youtube videos, doing interviews with anyone who will listen. What kind of weight loss “expert” doesn’t post her own photo and instead posts so many different photos of different people claiming to be herself that it’s almost laughable.

What kind of person makes up success stories and posts photos of professional models as after photos?

I’m going to start the Stukins Weight Loss program.

Before:

(picture)

After:

(picture)

You too can experience the incredible transformation on the Stukins weight loss plan. It will make you thinner, change your race and even make you a fabulously wealthy musical genius.”

Should the LCF Admins delete the post and pictures, I have saved them and would be glad to send them on to you.

August 25, 2007 at 7:51 pm

cleochatra

lowcarblounge.com No pro-kimmer discussions, no font and color violations, no bad aftertaste. From people who acted as administrators and moderators at ADBB and LCBB. Come on over.

August 25, 2007 at 9:08 pm

Robin Bayne

MeeMee and Medusa, I have been “warned” about things on LCF also, which is why I rarely post there anymore.

It is very strange that everyone on LCF talks about how Kimmer deletes posts and reads PMs, when that very thing is why Kimmer and many others originally left LCF to start a new site.

August 26, 2007 at 2:14 am

Medusa

Because my previous post is a just a tad confusing (actually, it’s very confusing), I just wanted to summarize what I was trying to get across:

I’m surprised that the LCF Admins allowed the posting of a picture of an anonymous obese man in a parody ,especially in light of the fact that they became so incensed over the “vicious attacks on the weight of individuals and photoshopped faces placed on obese bodies.” I don’t know who “obesemanpa4″ is but I’m sure he’d be mortified if he saw that he was not only a “before” picture in a thread in a diet forum but had also morphed into old Snoop Dog.

I saved the photos in case the Admins suddenly decided that maybe it wasn’t such a great idea to have the pictures posted in the Fascination thread, or maybe thought they might be opening themselves up to some legal action by obesemanpa4. I just wanted them saved for posterity…or some such thing.

I’m afraid my sense of humour has become tainted because of this whole LCF fiasco. I am furious that they deleted my innocuous posts, sent me ridiculous e-mails as to why those posts were deleted, and then capped it off with suspending my account.

I’m blaming the LCF Admins for my inability to keep a train of thought together long enough to make an intelligent post, which doesn’t beg questions or become lost in translation. :^)

August 26, 2007 at 5:22 am

MeeMee729

One final note and then I’ll shut up. Re my comment about boycotting Netrition. I want Netrition/Friends Forums LLC to appoint/hire new LCF admins who are fair, impartial, and polite. But as a friend who has a kind heart pointed out, a boycott would hurt the board members themselves. So I’m feeling rather guilty for even bringing it up.

August 26, 2007 at 5:54 am

Kan

Umm I’m sorry but I don’t give a crap how nice and supportive
KimATC was on LCF. She should be ashamed of herself for prostituting her credentials to Kimmer for a quick buck. I don’t care how hard up you are for money, this is totally unethical.
Was she active at all on Kimmers board? Was there an “Ask the trainer” thread or anything? If she was pretty much seen (on the team page) but not heard, than that is exactly what she was doing….selling herself.

August 27, 2007 at 6:52 pm

Interesting

I was curious about another Kimkins staffer, Ailsa, so I googled “Ailsa Lincolnshire”. The first site is an amateur busty BBW escort by the name of Ailsa who escorts in Lincolnshire and London. Quite a strange coincidence!

August 27, 2007 at 9:43 pm

LindaJ

I’m so sorry my friend KimATC got involved with the Kimkins site and that it has led to all this. Yes, she’s real, a very knowledgable athletic trainer, former high school athletic trainer (job she loved but which didn’t pay well), a former power-lifter, a great mom, a super-sweet person. She answered tons of people’s questions about various aches and pains on the LCF boards.

The car story is true! I’m so glad she took that beast off my hands! … and still got some use out of it. We turned the handover into a fun, fun “girls weekend”.

September 10, 2007 at 1:34 pm

Bye-Bye KimATC « Kimkins Exposed

[...] ATC, nutrition advice, Heidi Diaz, Kimmer, medical advice, Kimkins, Weight Loss After we provided some background details on one Kimkins staffer, KimATC, she quickly fled into the confines of the Kimkins website, leaving her friends at Low Carb [...]

September 10, 2007 at 5:07 pm

CMe

Kim may be overweight, but did you know that fat people can be fit, too? **gasp** It’s true! I’ve seen it.

*This poster has no affiliation with either Kimmer/Heidi, KimATC, and is not a KimBot.* I just think KATC should not be dissected, but do what you think is right. However, if she knew what was going on and was in on it, then all’s fair!

September 11, 2007 at 3:25 am

Watcher

If KimATC is truly gone from the Kimtanic, why does this thread even exist?

October 3, 2007 at 3:39 pm

karen

Please direct everyone to ktla.com..a major news channel in California. They’ve exposed Kimmer/Heidi on National News and have her on video surveillance. They try to talk to her but she jumps in her car!!!

One news channel down…we won’t stop until she’s on Dateline with Stone Phillips. She can be qualified as a predator too!!!