Boy, oh boy, today is simply a feast for the eyes from theTRUTH!
SingingLass wrote: (in a PM to Kimmer/Heidi Diaz)
Hi, I apologize if you have already read this. My previous PM looks like it was chopped up wierd, and had this listed as being produced by you and not me, so just in case I thought I would resent it, because the background information regarding that law suit stuff and the primary person might be usefull…so wanted to double check that you got it.
That class laywer thing…cracks me up! Here is why. The person who started the ball rolling there, is Jeanessa. Okay, I read/ skimmed through most of the dribble over at LCF ( boring boring …I am still trying to recover brain cells)… and she was someone who came on board not too long ago with really air-headed seeming posts asking what was going on, and asking questions like a little kid hopping up and down hoping to be let in on the secrets and allowed to play with the bigger kids. She did not appear to have any negative opinion or experience of her own about this plan, until others instilled it for her. She then was one of the first people to be banned I believe the day the pictures were released on slam board due to posts she made over here…which she of course bragged about to LCF, wanting to be cool and further let into the group.
THEN she started this thing about how she was denied a refund, and oh she was going to get a lawyer. When she said that, she suddenly got this wave of people telling her way to go, and let me know so I can join in too. Following that, ducky made posts cheering her on and encouraging others to join on the wagon as well. I think at first there was not even a lawyer, that she was just blowing steam to look cool, and it jumped foward.
Now, other interesting issues. You have to lift a brow at a so-called lawyer who is posting on other random anti-kimkins blogs in the comment sections trying to drum up people to join up with him. Can we say bottom feeder, and a blow to credibility/ethical practices? Secondly….this is based on people wanting their money back. Not thousands, not hundreds…but rather clogging up court time and expenses for $60 memberships to a web service that they violated tos on, but still have access to the diet info itself. I know other web services, be it aol, games and the like, reserve the right to ban members for infractions without warning, regardless if they paid a membership fee.
Thirdly, they have to proove claims that they really were jipped/ frauded in some way, or physically damaged. So for the first part of that, an investigation will show that all diet information and support was in fact, and still is, provided as detailed in what people will receive for thier membership fee. However, no where does it say they are entitled to know your personal life details.
Next. medical claims. They cannot just say, ” oh, i felt dizzy, i had some hair loss….” they have to have medical documentation…which means doctor records of the complaints AND saying that it was specifically caused by the diet. Even when I had a lawsuit many years ago from a car accident, I could not just say ” My neck and chest have hurt since the accident”. I had to go to multiple doctors, get xrays, and have written statements provided by the doctors detailing my injuries, and confirming that they were indeed a result of the accident, and nothing else. These people, one, are doubtful to want to go to that kind of expense and hassel, if they even realize at all that they need to go through those kind of procedures….and secondly, saying they once felt dizzy or something, cannot be prooven or even tested by a doctor, especially if they are not even following the plan anymore…they cannot contribute to hearysay and speculations like that, they would risk their own medical credibility. Even if they do go to a doctor, and say, come up with an underactive thyoid or something, they cannot in any way proove that it was not a pre-exisiting condition before the diet, unless maybe if they had been tested recently before starting it and have some kind of proof. I know my own thyroid tests bounced from being normal and underactive almost every other time I was tested as well.
I have been telling a couple others who have asked me as well that the site is not going anywhere, and not to listen to the rumors or scare tactics being produced by others. What a crazy time!
Look how many years it took them to ban ephedra….and they needed all those court actions, all those documents of people dying, and it still is being brought back up and contemplated. I don’t think any of the makers even were sued, just told they could not make it anymore. And personally, I think ephedra can be a helpful substance—when used CORRECTLY, and in regulated doses. It helped even to open my air ways in various products when I was sick.
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NOTE TO TRUTH: Can you include dates for the PM’s as you post them?
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September 20, 2007 at 5:23 pm
Watcher
She makes some good points. Doing a Kimmer, are we listening and taking what we need from this? Everybody with health issues, can you get documentation? Not that it really matters, since there is enough proof of the starvation response in research to make a judge go hmm. Besides, she’s ignoring the fraud part where the creator of the diet solicited memberships based on her “success.” Keep talking. (Did Kimmer reply?)
September 20, 2007 at 5:35 pm
kar_kar
She’s so far up Heidi’s ass it’s a wonder she can still breathe. Notice she has no defense for the fraud of a morbidly obese woman pretending to be 118 pounds to sell the diet. Oh that’s right, she’s convinced Kimmer isn’t Heidi…and she has the gall to call others stupid!
September 20, 2007 at 5:35 pm
OddManOut
It’s probably a good thing that kimmers “mini-me” isn’t worried. The more time they spend not worrying, the more time the authorities have to investigate.
For SL, keep saying there’s no problem. OJ probably said the same haha.
September 20, 2007 at 5:39 pm
KN
A few days ago, I read (on this blog, I think) where Kimmer mentioned an email address that only she reads…..could you re-post that? I am trying to send her a direct email asking for a refund. Thanks.
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webmaster@kimkins.com
September 20, 2007 at 5:41 pm
omgwtf
I see that singinglass is a lawyer about as much as Kimmer is a dietician. *snort*
September 20, 2007 at 5:46 pm
Me
SL disgusts me. She will rot in hell with the rest of them. She is selling her soul for $150 a week. That’s pretty low.
Just because she had a tradgety happen earlier in her life that she cannot seem to get passed, she wants to hurt as many other people as possible too.
That is just sick.
September 20, 2007 at 5:46 pm
OddManOut
Was it webmaster@kimkins.com ?
September 20, 2007 at 5:52 pm
WhoRU
I agree with SL that it would take years to prove that the diet was culpable for any kind of illness. It probably isn’t a good thing to fight out in court at this time.
HOWEVER- The banning of members for fake TOS violations, not refunding based on the fake violations, not providing the product that the members paid for, seriously false advertising, violating CA business ethics laws, collecting funds for non-existent foster children, using multiple aliases to skirt taxes and collecting SSD under false pretenses…………..
September 20, 2007 at 6:00 pm
kimkinslawsuit
Since I am featured so prominently in this, can I respond?
Singinglass,
1.) Yes, I did get the ball rolling for the lawsuit
2.) I joined LCF in 2004 back when Kimmer was still there so I didn’t just come on the scene. Of course, I wanted to know what was going on, I had spent my hard-earned money to join Heidi’s site and every question that I asked about Kimkins in the past (on Kimkins and Jimmy’s blog) had been quickly swept aside. As far as my negative opinion of Kimkins – it has been there for quite some time, LCF and Kimkins simply did not allow you to express it in their forums – they did the same thing you spend all day doing – hitting the delete button, sweetie.
3.) Yes, I was banned the day the pictures were released and yes, I became more vocal at that point because that was when I realized that I had been conned and it was high time somebody did something about the fraudulent website of which you are so prominently involved.
4.) I was cool when I came out of my moma’s womb in 1978, you don’t know me so don’t act like you do.
5.) I got a lawyer the day after I was banned. Speak what you know or shut up, baby doll.
6.) This lawsuit is not simply about a refund, but about ethical business practices. Just because we are on the Internet does not mean you can lie to people and take their money.
7.) John E. Tiedt is an ethical attorney who has decades of litigation experience and is a health fraud advocate who serves on the Health Fraud Task Force for the Attorney General’s office in the State of California. You sure you want to call him a bottom feeder and face libel charges yourself?
8.) We don’t have to prove a thing. Heidi has to prove that she is 118 pounds.
9.) As far as Kimkins.com not going anywhere, you might want to get Heidi to meet you in person and prove her claims before you go making promises that you are in no position to keep.
10.) Ephedra and Kimkins.com are on two different scales. If you can’t take the time to figure out the difference between the two lawsuits, I’m not going to bother to take the time to try to explain it to you.
11.) Conduct sound research before you go off at the mouth, honey. It takes away from your swagger you don’t.
September 20, 2007 at 6:11 pm
Mir
I thought SingingLass was a psychic or somesuch. Now she’s a legal advisor?
Well, legally speaking, Kimmer is an invention. Doesn’t exist. But the person who invented Kimmer, well….SingingLass should set up a face to face meeting with her Fuhrer and see how slender she is.
Mir
September 20, 2007 at 6:11 pm
ally
Ooohh…. I wouldn’t mess with Jeanessa!
SL and Kimmer are obviously too clueless to see that.
September 20, 2007 at 6:15 pm
Down with Kimkins!
What I am trying to comprehend is WHY help (abet) perpetuate a blantant liar’s fantasy?
Are all the admins suffering from mental illness?
September 20, 2007 at 6:18 pm
theTRUTH
“Heidi has to prove that she is 118 pounds.”
Oh, oh, Heidi. Better get cycling on that Tippy diet thingie.
September 20, 2007 at 6:20 pm
JenX
They are deluded…..
September 20, 2007 at 6:21 pm
wow
Singinglass you are a joke….and I’m sure Heidi is sitting back thinking “oh brother….this chick can’t even spell and I have her reporting this drivel back to me?” Your ramblings are just that…..grabbing at any little piece of “knowledge” you can find so that you can seem important in Heidi’s eyes.
You are a pleaser…..SHE IS USING YOU, but you are too stupid to see it. This “so-called lawyer” yes, you spell lawyer L-A-W-Y-E-R…..has credentials……what do you and Heidi have?
September 20, 2007 at 6:30 pm
OddManOut
[i]Are all the admins suffering from mental illness?[/i]
Something in the koolaid?
September 20, 2007 at 6:33 pm
Mir
Maybe that’s why Heidi/Kimmer/Etc is keeping up a good front with admins. She’s stalling. She needs a month or two to lose 150 pounds for that court appearance…and her focus on DATELINE.
So, let’s see, 150 lbs. A Cinch for the Kimmer.
She can be lean and mean(er) by Christmas and start a whole new Kimmer Elite plan–better than Bootcampe for half the price–for those who need to get 10 stone off in a hurry. One ounce of chicken and one spinach leaf per day and 2+ hours of exercise. And lots of fake blog creations for technorati pumping. (Doctor’s okay required, but only if your doctor is a total loon.)
M.
September 20, 2007 at 6:36 pm
Stiff
As for webmaster@kimkins.com … Kimmer isn’t the only one to read it. If you look at your newsletters and eCrock…I mean eBOOK…and informative little e-mails about setting up blogs and what not, the following people have sent out e-mails from webmaster@kimkins.com (from the emails I have saved)
-Brad Johnson, Affiliate Manager
-Nikki Sharp
-Vanessa Sharp, (ex) Affiliate Manager
-Kimmer
Hmmmm….
Also, does anyone know who Peggy Colton is? I was looking on the Press Release site at the Kimkins PRs and at the bottom of one of the releases I did a reverse phone # search and it came up with Peggy Colton. (One also came up as a Nextel customer). Notice how there are three different numbers in the Corona, CA area code…hmmm…
September 20, 2007 at 6:38 pm
Stiff
I bet Heidi is taking her time freaking out so she can try to be 118 pounds and then come out of hide-y-ing.
Not that it would help her face.
Not that she could stick to her ‘diet’ for more than two hours.
September 20, 2007 at 6:48 pm
Kim
I’d like to chime in on the legal issue (again, this is what I do for a living and have to offer)…Kimmer is the one who has to prove she lost the weight and kept it off. This is her marketing tactic. She is being accused of false marketing tactics – SHE has the burden to prove she is/did what she said.
Kimmer is selling lifetime memberships and then banning people. This is also illegal. Lifetime means just that…lifetime. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out. The TOS has been changed repeatedly to include the “no negativity”, etc. clauses. Here’s the thing…you can and are allowed to change the TOS of any contract HOWEVER, you have to notify EVERY PERSON that the change effects. So in short, banning someone, then saying “we changed the TOS” doesn’t cut it. I, for one, never did anything negative on that site whatsoever and was banned for filing a BBB complaint. I have the e-mail from Kimmer herself stating that she banned me because I seem to be unhappy with the site. So in her own words she didn’t ban ME for a TOS violation or anything negative. She banned ME because she had an opinion and felt she was Godlike.
I have looked up the attorney, and not just through his website. He is a legitimate attorney. My best friend is a paralegal for a class action attorney in this area and he knew who this attorney was by me just mentioning his name and said “Oh, he’s a good one.” And yes, it took 10 years on the ephedra case…wake up SL – a basic lawsuit over a car wreck takes about 5 years to get the court system anymore. I won’t go into details about why it takes that long, you wouldn’t comprehend it if I tried. Also remember, most of us aren’t in this for the money. We aren’t the ones selling our souls for $150 a week. We want Heidi stopped! Have you even figured out how many hours you work on that site helping her con people and then figure out what you’re making an hour with that measily $150? I’m sure it’s about $2 an hour, if that. Well worth it, I’m sure.
Just one more little tidbit of advice SL – PLEASE, OH PLEASE….take your $150 weekly bribe and get a dictionary or install a spellcheck program on your computer. Besides talking out your @$$ about things you have no clue, you make yourself look even dumber by not being able to spell basic third grade words. If you want to play lawyer, go ahead…but that’s illegal too – kind of like dispensing medical advice without a license. Both will get you thrown in jail.
September 20, 2007 at 6:49 pm
Kim
So how long before we all get an e-mail with the new TOS with Heidi trying to cover her tracks again. The e-book was a good laugh, so this should be even better!
September 20, 2007 at 6:53 pm
Tam (Kimkins refugee)
Wow! Obviously Singing Lass ignored littlebit’s plea, but she really is delusional if she ignores what Jeanessa has to say.
It’s sad that SL needs support and friendship so much she’ll turn to Kimmer. Heidi will dump her in a second once her usefulness is gone and then where will poor Singing Lass be?
September 20, 2007 at 6:57 pm
Julie
“As for webmaster@kimkins.com … Kimmer isn’t the only one to read it. If you look at your newsletters and eCrock…I mean eBOOK…and informative little e-mails about setting up blogs and what not, the following people have sent out e-mails from webmaster@kimkins.com (from the emails I have saved)
-Brad Johnson, Affiliate Manager
-Nikki Sharp
-Vanessa Sharp, (ex) Affiliate Manager
-Kimmer
Hmmmm….”
“Kimmer” might not be the only one reading the emails. But Heidi sure is!
September 20, 2007 at 7:07 pm
SingingLass Sings the Legal Blues to Kimmer by diet.MEDtrials.info
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September 20, 2007 at 7:20 pm
La Mesa
So there is Singing lass, the opera singing psychic, Tippy who can’t get her hear out of heidis ass nor can she decide which diet she actually lost weight on….and then heidi the 300 pound bald woman…..is this right? Is this really for real?? LMAO at this point I can’t stop laughing about the opera singing psychic part…I mean if you were REALLY psychic…shouldn’t you have SEEN this coming??? hahahaha
September 20, 2007 at 7:21 pm
La Mesa
Singinglass…does the psychic hotline pay you more the 150 a week??
September 20, 2007 at 8:02 pm
OddManOut
La Mesa did this image flash through your mind?
http://static.flickr.com/89/253307907_fcd6691636_m.jpg
September 20, 2007 at 8:58 pm
WOW
Stiff, you make an excellent point! More proof that there is only one “partner”
September 20, 2007 at 9:28 pm
La Mesa
LMAO yes OddManOut, exactly the image I had in my head!!! LOL Thanks!
September 20, 2007 at 9:48 pm
ghoov
She mentioned having to go through the ringer and getting a lot of documentation about her injuries after an auto accident. It seems that she pursued this and took the insurance company to court… maybe did a settlement out of court. That case is one individual utilyzing a personal injury (tort) attorney to file a claim against an insurance company for monetary compensation.
IN the case of a class action lawsuit, the same is not applicable. Havent you ever received a class action notice in the mail and all you had to do to participate was sign a paper? It would be interesting to get more detail on this though.
I’m also wondering how long this information source (internals message amongs admins) is going to be available if they read these boards. I would think they would have already gone to another method of communication or will start to say things just to mess with the mole.
September 20, 2007 at 10:04 pm
Karen
Stiff wrote:
“As for webmaster@kimkins.com … Kimmer isn’t the only one to read it. If you look at your newsletters and eCrock…I mean eBOOK…and informative little e-mails about setting up blogs and what not, the following people have sent out e-mails from webmaster@kimkins.com (from the emails I have saved)
-Brad Johnson, Affiliate Manager
-Nikki Sharp
-Vanessa Sharp, (ex) Affiliate Manager
-Kimmer
Hmmmm….
three different numbers in the Corona, CA area code…hmmm…”
That’s because those are all alter egos of Kimmer! She just gave it up that she is all those people!! That is excellent! LOLOLOLOL
September 20, 2007 at 10:47 pm
Scoble
Hmmmmm…..trained opera singer and psychic consultant and NOW she is a LAWYER!!!! Wow!!! I am amazed! I guess SingingLass will be the defending lawyer in the case huh?
September 20, 2007 at 11:09 pm
EAT People, EAT!
Can we fry this dumb byatch now? I’m sorry, but she makes me so mad, just about as mad as Heidi makes me!!! I was trying to understand her part because of her ABUSE but after reading all of this, I’m sorry I HATE HER just as much as that evil POS Heidi/Kimmer or whatever personality she is today!
I say, take stupid 10-year-to-get-a-degree-but-still-happily-sucking-butt-for-pennies-an-hour-can’t-get-a-job-on-a-psychic-hotline SingingLass DOWN with Heidi. I’m posting whatever I want to say about her – she is EVIL just like Kimmer and she deserves whatever is said about her! Being abused is no excuse for being a stupid sorry byatch!!!!
She’s fair game now! Let’s see what else we can find on her!
September 20, 2007 at 11:51 pm
JenX
LOL. Get it out girl, testify! 
September 21, 2007 at 2:19 am
theTRUTH
I warned her yesterday that this didn’t have to be posted today. It didn’t have to be made public. Yesterday, she had some sympathy on her side. She had her chance to do what was right. She wasn’t blind sided by today’s posts. She won’t be tomorrow either when I post.
January 14, 2008 at 10:50 am
anonymous
I actually know this girl. And she really is no singer.
She may be trained, but that doesn’t mean that she has any talent.
What else does she lie about, then?
And Ducky missed it. Dang, Ducky.
