We’ve taken time to introduce you to some members of Kimkins staff. Today we shall introduce you to the person who Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) considers the ‘fitness guru’ for her members, KimATC. Since joining the Kimkins staff, no photos of Kim are including for members to see her like other staff members. We only know what information is included in her biography:
Kim has been an NATA Certified Athletic Trainer for 15 years and has worked as an athletic trainer at numerous levels including collegiate, high school, clinic plus published research. She is presently working for a very large children’s hospital coordinating a biomechanical and neuromuscular research project on ACL injuries in female athletes. She has had articles published in The American Journal of Sports medicine, Journal of Athletic Training, and JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Association). She holds BS degrees in athletic training and sociology from North Dakota State University and MS degrees in Sports Medicine and Biomechanics from the University of Oregon. She is planning to pursue a PhD in Epidemiology. Kim not only has extensive experience working with athletes, but was a competitive power lifter as well. EDITED AUG 27, 2007 TO REFLECT CHANGES ON WEBSITE THAT REMOVED NAMES OF CHILDREN.
Her detailed biography and unique name led us to find her posting on various forums across the internet, including Low Carb Friends, CincyMoms and Low Carbo Nostra. What’s more, the details regarding publications in various journals hones in on who she is as we find one person with publication in each mentioned above, Kim D. Barber-Foss.
- JAMA. 1999 Sep 8;282(10):958-63
- J Athl Train. 1999 Jul;34(3):277-284
- Am J Sports Med. 2000 May-Jun;28(3):385-91
After reviewing the literature, it appears no other papers include her as an author, so it’s assumed she has not published more in the last seven years.
From her posts on CincyMoms, we learn she and her children moved to Cincinnati, which with her bio including her research at a children’s hospital, confirms our finding that she works at Cincinnati Children’s Hospital as a Research Biomechanist. This was learned on the North Dakota State University site where she is listed on the Board of Visitors, Emeritus Members roster. She is also listed among the Ohio Athletic Trainers’ Association OATA District 4 representatives.
Rumors we’ve received led us to review some of her posts on Low Carb Friends along with her profile. From her profile, we learn she has been active poster on Low Carb Friends, with more than 14,500 posts since June 2002.
A prolific poster on the forum, she complains about her job
“The new business manager they hired a few months ago is a real prick and he’s making it hard to like coming to work.”
She writes often of financial hardships and from the information we received, posters on Low Carb Forums have sent her money and one provided her with a used car. We have been unable to verify that information, so it is nothing more than speculation.
What isn’t speculation is that Kim remains at least overweight if not obese. Yes, the certified trainer giving advice is overweight/obese, hence no photographs of her on any of the sites she posts or Kimkins. She’s even, in the past, posted that she “did send away for Univ of Iowa’s gastric bypass surgery info. But that just seems so extreme.”And earlier this year maintained in her signature that her goals this year included:
Goal #1: 25 pounds lost by 2/15/2007
Goal #2: 50 pounds lost by my birthday 4/29/2007
Goal #3: To try and find “ME” again
With at least 50 pounds to lose, if not more, dedicated to Kimkins for quite some time now, on staff at Kimkins, and a certified athletic trainer, we have to ask “how’s that Kimkins working for ya?”
If you want to ask her yourself, you can email her if you look up her contact information in the above links as her email address is publicly available on multiple sites.
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August 24, 2007 at 12:46 pm
Blossom
She’s posted a lot on LCF about her struggles with weight and always seems to be starting over again and again, so I’m not surprised she’s still overweight. It does lead me to question her role at Kimkins though. It’s one thing to struggle on a forum, have your friends help you out and support you. It’s another to be on staff but unable to lose the weight and keep it off on a site that claims the diet works for everyone. If she’s still fat then she shouldn’t be telling others how to lose weight or exercise, she needs to do it herself and then, when she’s fit and thin, she can tell others what to do. Until then, she’s just another person who talks the talk but doesn’t walk the walk.
August 24, 2007 at 1:02 pm
Jane
Everyone on low carb friends knows Kim is fat. Fact.
August 24, 2007 at 1:04 pm
KimkinsSUCKS
ROFL
Kim is fat, Kimmer is fat, heck even some other staff are fat. And they’re hoping suckers will keep paying them money about how to lose weight?
PT Barnum was right!
August 24, 2007 at 1:07 pm
Joey
“The ugly and the stupid have the best of it in this world. They can sit at their ease and gape at the play. If they know nothing of victory, they are at least spared the knowledge of defeat.”
-Oscar Wilde
August 24, 2007 at 1:17 pm
Lu Lu
Anyone whose been on lwo-carb friends for a while knows Kim is still overweight. She starts the threads to lose five and then starts another one later when it hasn’t happened. If she would take her own advice and just do it, then I’d be impressed. She hasn’t, she can’t, so I haven’t bothered to read much of what she says anymore.
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August 24, 2007 at 1:46 pm
Gravely concerned..
Absolutely. Just think if a Weight Watcher leader was still large. Noone would go to the meetings. They are a visual aid to see what people can do on that particular plan.
You need to bow out of giving people advice until you haven taken your own advice.
I also think that Kimmer is overweight. If she wasn’t she would have plastered lots of pictures on her site. Gee..her son teaches photoshop!!
August 24, 2007 at 1:48 pm
Too Funny
Probably why she removed her fantasy signature a couple of months ago
KimATC
Certified Athletic Trainer
I’m living The Secret
1) I am financially secure 2) I am a money magnet. I receive checks from many sources. 3) My kids and I are healthy and happy and living in .4) I am a thin and beautiful woman
ROFLMAO!
August 24, 2007 at 2:22 pm
shelby
She changed her signature because of people being nasty to her. Everyone struggles with their weight. How many of these comments are left by people that are a perfect size 6? This has gone too far, she is free to lend her support as she wishes, we do NOT know that she is profiting from it as KImmer is, and publicly putting her personal info out there, BESIDES ridiculing her efforst to lose weight.
You should be ASHAMED. this has nothing to do with Kimmer. And I am one on lcf that does NOT support Kimmer, do not be mistaken by that.
August 24, 2007 at 2:45 pm
Oh My!
Kimmer has one credentialed person on her staff, and that person can’t follow the diet herself?
That’s rich.
August 24, 2007 at 2:46 pm
Oh My!
“She changed her signature because of people being nasty to her. Everyone struggles with their weight.”
I don’t struggle with mine and didn’t need Kimkins to figure it out. That Kim is out front and center as an expert about fitness and is supposedly doing the diet too, um, don’t you think she should be at least fit and lean (if not thin)?
August 24, 2007 at 2:51 pm
Down with Kimkins!
I’m sorry but if you swim with the sharks, expect to get bitten! I would never go to an obese personal trainer so if she (KimATC) is in fact obese she has some explaining to do.
She claims to have her lawyer working on this. To that I say good luck! She put her self in this position and needs to take responsibility.
And as someone else pointed out, if the Kimkins diet is the “second coming” why doesn’t she apply herself and lose the weight? Oh I know! Because the diet sucks and she probably knows this.
I love eating my “just dessert”. Lowcarb cheesecake is my choice!
August 24, 2007 at 2:52 pm
Joanne
From WordPress TOS: “the Content is not obscene, libelous or defamatory (more info on what that means), hateful or racially or ethnically objectionable, and does not violate the privacy or publicity rights of any third party”
Who’s site will be shut down first Kimmer’s or YOURS???
You should be ashamed, yes, (doubt you are) but you should be a little smarter in your zealous attempts to churn hits to your site. Get a “real” life…
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Everything contained within posts here is publicly available information, thus not in violation of the WordPress TOS.
Secondly, KimATC is a public figure, promoted by the Kimkins site for her credentials and expertise, therefore open to public scrutiny by those seeking the truth about the Kimkins organization and its staff, paid or unpaid
August 24, 2007 at 2:57 pm
Beth
How KimATC didn’t see that Kimmer was using her for only her credentials is beyond me. KimATC should tell Kimmer to go take a leap and take back control of how her name and credentials are being used. KimATC has earned her ATC, she’s earned her degree, she’s published in respected journals. That’s all Kimmer wants…to be able to brag she has KimATC on staff. If I were KimATC, I’d tell Kimmer to shove it.
August 24, 2007 at 3:02 pm
Freedomtochoose
How lovely that “Just Ducky” and all of you are so perfect (if indeed you all are real anyhow-could just be sockpuppets or inventions of Just Ducky for all I know). Whether or not this woman is overweight is none of your business and your complete invasion of her privacy is indicative of the appalling disrepect for human rights that members of this anti-Kimkins “cult” have displayed time and again while hiding behind their own anonymity. If you’re so perfect and have the courage of your convictions, stand up and be counted publicly. No? Oh, well… one can only hope that someday someone will send a lawyer to unmask you.
August 24, 2007 at 3:03 pm
shelby
“”This blog will be an expose of the Kimkins Diet website and its founder, Kimmer.
Because Jimmy Moore recently took appropriate action to disassociate himself from the Kimkins Diet Affiliate Program and promotion of the dangerous diet, he is no longer a target of our exposing the truth about Kimkins.
If you thought we dug deep to provide background on Jimmy Moore, you ain’t seen nothing yet! Come along for the ride with us as we expose the truth behind the Kimkins.com website, the Kimkins Diet and the woman behind it all, Kimmer.””
sorry, i missed the part where we were on a search and destroy mission for everyone associated with kimkins. I thought this was about heidi diaz.
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Those associated with, specifically on staff and promoted as such by the Kimkins organization, are open to public scrutiny if and when they’re are perpetuating the diet or plans. Thank you for your comments.
August 24, 2007 at 3:08 pm
Susie
I wouldn’t want to be Kim right now, but do think that if she’s on staff for Kimmer, she’s fair game and should be held just as accountable as Kimmer. Her weight? Another issue, but still, see the point that someone who is held up as the guru should at least be fit even if they’re not skinny.
August 24, 2007 at 3:12 pm
Laura
Kim would do well to quit Kimkins site and tell Kimmer to remove her from the Meet your Team page immediately. Then maybe Ducky will remove this post if she’s not on staff and no longer a public figure in the company?
August 24, 2007 at 3:18 pm
Kimkins Dangers
When selling a weightloss product or plan, those involved in the selling of said product or plan have to prove that it works.
If you saw a fat person on TV selling an exercise machine, what would you think?
Kimmer IS using KimATC’s credentials to sell Kimkins – promoting the fact that they have an ATC on staff. ON STAFF.
Would you buy a treadmill if the staff person marketing it was overweight?!
I do agree that struggling with a weight issue is not something to make fun of or mock in any way and I am not doing that at all.
However, if Kimkins is THE ANSWER that Kimmer says it is, there is no reason that anyone “on staff” should have a weight problem even after being part of the program for as long as KimATC has been.
That indicates a problem with the program.
August 24, 2007 at 3:32 pm
PosterAnon
KIM…..YOU NEED TO QUIT KIMKINS
KIMMER IS ONLY USING YOU TO MAKE MONEY
WHAT’S IN IT FOR YOU?
NOTHING BUT HEADACHES
QUIT
QUIT
QUIT
YOU HAVE EXCELLENT CREDENTIALS, DO NOT LET KIMMER KEEP USING YOU
YOU DESERVE BETTER THAN THAT
QUIT
QUIT
QUIT
DO IT
JUST DO IT
LEAVE KIMMER AND LET HER FIGURE THIS OUT ON HER OWN
SHE NEEDS YOU MORE THAN YOU NEED HER
August 24, 2007 at 3:33 pm
Rae
You people have serious problems, KimATC is a human being. and no one deserves to be attacked the way she has been in the above comments. You are just hateful and nasty.
August 24, 2007 at 3:35 pm
Maggie
Ducky, if KimATC disassociated with Kimkins and quit her staff position, would you remove this post about her?
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While she remains on staff and promoted as such, she remains part of the Kimkins team, thus this post shall remain. If she leaves Kimkins and is no longer on staff and is removed from the Kimkins team page, and no longer is providing advice within the Kimkins forums, then yes, this post shall be removed since she is no longer associated with Kimkins.
August 24, 2007 at 4:03 pm
Kimkins Dangers
I wanted to clarify my earlier comment – although anyone on staff at Kimkins is in some way responsible for the dangerous promotion of the dangerous diet and KimATC is not immune from that.. publishing her personal information was not a good idea, sorry Ducky.
Her email, and what looks like a work / business email, should not be involved with this debate. Her email at Kimkins would be more appropriate.
As many have said and pointed out elsewhere, KimATC is not known for promoting starvation / laxative abuse and the other dangerous information spewed about the Kimkins website.
She at least seems to have a head about her shoulders!
(But I do wish she’d put herself first and stop letting Heidi take advantage of her!)
August 24, 2007 at 4:39 pm
KimberDonkey
“Ducky” is a >300 pounder from LCF, who has been conspicuously absent from the Fascination thread for some time now. Hello Pot? Kettle calling……Is Ducky someone you want telling you what diet to follow (or not)?
August 24, 2007 at 4:43 pm
Josh
Hey Donkey……who would that be?
Alluding to someone isn’t fair….just say it and be done with it already!
August 24, 2007 at 4:45 pm
MeeMee729
Brilliant sleuthing! I had posted some questions re KimATC over at LCF, as I’d just realized she is not only a member there but an active (putting it mildly) poster. I just wanted to know if she was a real person (as opposed to one of Heidi’s a.k.a.’s and sockpuppets), and if so, I’d like very much to ask her what is her opinion of the whole controversy, what is her opinion of anorexia, the allegations of stealth marketing, etc.
But the “Admin” immediately deleted my post (as he’s done with nearly all my other posts in the fascination thread) and sent me yet another of his unbelievably rude PMs, this one accusing me of “attacking” KimATC.
So I’m glad to read your blog entry with all known info re this aspect of the controversy gathered into a single page. Fascinating stuff. I absolutely had no idea KimATC ever had a weight problem, let alone that she continues to struggle with it while dispensing fitness wisdom to one and all both at LCF and on-staff at the Kimdom.
August 24, 2007 at 4:45 pm
Kimkins Dangers
Ducky isn’t telling us what diet to follow or not. He is simply illuminating the dangers inherent in the Kimkins plan.
If you think it’s so great and healthy, why not post some *factual* information that supports that – such as peer reviewed medical studies showing how great and healthy a VLCD with laxative abuse is?
August 24, 2007 at 4:45 pm
Jane
Oh dear gosh….as if those from LCF don’t see the “Kimber” part of the Donkey name and are supposed to think it’s Kimber.
Give it a rest whoever you are, cause you’re not Kimber.
And no matter how fat or thin Ducky is, Ducky isn’t selling anyone a diet or taking your money. Kimmer is and she’s made millions off the suckers led to believe starving is the way to go.
August 24, 2007 at 5:19 pm
LadyRed
Kim is simply a prop for Kimmer, a prop to help lend credibility to her insane plans. Kim would do well to quit being used by Kimmer and publicly denounce the plan as unhealthy.
She reads and posts at LCF and saw everything about that child that you posted about here and DID NOTHING to help that child. She’s on staff and DID NOTHING when Deni was cheering her on, DID NOTHING when others were cheering her on, and DID NOTHING when Kimmer implied that what she was eating was fine because she has stored body fat, even if that’s just 500-cals a day!
Kim ATC should be held accountable like every other peon staff member over there who sits idly by while Kimmer continues on and makes millions at the health expense of others.
August 24, 2007 at 6:00 pm
Marissa
I think everyone here that’s said Kimmer is using KimATC only for her credentials is right. Kimmer is using Kim to make more money and from what I’ve hear Kim isn’t even being compensated.
August 24, 2007 at 6:16 pm
Crown of Snarls
Ducky, you are now considered a “shock bloqqer”
ROTFLMAO
Shock bloq Ducky
Too freaking funny!
The truth makes a lot of people angry, keep up the good work.
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QUACK!
August 24, 2007 at 6:17 pm
Janice
I feel bad for Kim. Not for the fact you easily found all the information you did and included it here, but because it’s obvious she’s just a puppet to Kimmer.
Kimmer is definitely promoting Kim as a reason to join and do exercise (that she herself says you don’t have to do, which is why she needs Kim, otherwise she’d be a hypocrite saying it now after years of saying you don’t need to exercise).
I too hope Kim quits and tells Kimmer to close up shop for her dangerous diet.
August 24, 2007 at 6:20 pm
Too Damn Funny
Hey Ducky!
Did you see what the LCF Admins said about you?
Since certain shock bloggers are going far beyond respectable reporting with vicious attacks on the weight of individuals and photoshopped faces placed on obese bodies – among other sleazy tactics – we are no longer permitting links and discussions of certain blog entries here. Please visit those blogs directly if interested in reading them. Thank you.
That was, of course, after the requisite housecleaning to remove all the links from this morning to here!
I BOOKMARKED YOU…..I’ll be back!
August 24, 2007 at 6:25 pm
Crown of Snarls
LadyRed
Excellent post!
Why oh why is KimATC being given a pass on HER responsibilities to that child?
Oh wait: could it be because people on LCF like her?
So she stood by silently while a child starved, but we like her, she’s a nice person.
This is sickning to even try to defend her.
August 24, 2007 at 6:34 pm
Wowser
Looks like Jimmy Moore was right about one thing, LCF is a bunch of Nazi’s!
August 24, 2007 at 6:37 pm
LCF SUCKS
Said it many posts ago, will say it again
LCF SUCKS!
August 24, 2007 at 6:37 pm
medusa
Sweeping thread-sanitation has taken place on Low Carb Friends in the “Why the Fascination with Kimmer Thread. ” All posts made today referring to not only this blog but others have been removed, and this warning added by LCF Administration:
“Since certain shock bloggers are going far beyond respectable reporting with vicious attacks on the weight of individuals and photoshopped faces placed on obese bodies – among other sleazy tactics – we are no longer permitting links and discussions of certain blog entries here. Please visit those blogs directly if interested in reading them. Thank you.”
Ducky, keep up the good, investigative work. We will never get to the bottom of this Kimkins/Kimmer fiasco without your digging. And with the thread sanitation, post removal, account suspensions, warnings, etc. happening at LCF, it appears, unfortunately, that the LCF administration has become as paranoid as Kimmer.
August 24, 2007 at 7:10 pm
Josh
KimATC is allowed to post about it on the lose 5 pounds thread though.
I agree that KimATC should quit Kimkins, it’s making her look sleazy!
August 24, 2007 at 7:14 pm
Molly
Ducky, watch out KimATC has her divorce attorney on this!
KimATC
“They crossed the line talking about my kids and my job. I will take legal action and have already spoken to the attorney that did my divorce.”
Somehow she hasn’t connected the above quote that names her kids is FROM THE KIMKINS site and in public view there! She’s blaming you! She needs to blame Kimmer for exposing her kids!
And her job, well again, her bio says where she’s published, you connected the dots with those journals. Oh, and SHE SAID HER NAME HERSELF on LCF at least twice as “Kim Foss” when she was patting herself on the back about her boss saying something nice for a change!
August 24, 2007 at 7:23 pm
flowerpower
I hope to God people don’t go after Kim at work or her family in any way. I am disappointed to see some of this stuff posted.
As some of us have known KimATC since early 2000 and cared a lot for her, we’ve been advising KimATC to quit her job with Kimmer since the whole red dress controversy began.
Kim used to adamently support Kimmer on LCF constantly, and would complain when anything negative was brought up. At that time, KimATC said she knew the red dress photo was the current Kimmer. When questioned further, she admitted to never meeting Kimmer, just through the internet and possibly telephone.
KimATC refused to ever acknowledge being paid to work for Kimmer, although she did announce on LCF that she had a 4th job – working for Kimkins. I’m assuming she referred to the fact that Kimmer was paying her.
I’m also assuming Kimmer told her to quit posting on the Kimkins controversial stuff on LCF, as KimATC had the admins remove all her posts, and she wasn’t heard from again until today.
KimATC – since you are reading this – DO THE RIGHT THING! Quit letting Kimmer take advantage of you! Is the money she’s paying you really worth this?
It’s too bad it came to this Kim, I wish you would have listened to ‘your lcf friends’ many weeks ago.
August 24, 2007 at 7:25 pm
Stop the Insanity!
Kim is a published author in scientific journals and allowed that to be in her bio. It’s a no-brainer someone can look up who she is in pubmed with very simple keywords and name comparisons.
Besides that, she’s said who she is in her posts on LCF, so her name is out there already by her own words. So are her kids names. Big deal, who is going to do anything to her kids? She’s used them as her avatar on LCF for a while now and never thought it was a problem until today?
And what exactly is her divorce attorney going to tell her? Sorry Kim, your information is public? It says right in her bio she works at a children’s hospital. She’s on the lists linked to with her work information (she should be thankful she didn’t use her home address for those!)
She is staff for Kimkins and until she disassociates, I think she’s as culpable as everyone else on staff for the dangerous information.
You play in the dirt, you get dirty.
Quit Kimkins KimATC!
August 24, 2007 at 7:46 pm
Toni
Lots of good comments here. Kim ATC should realize that her association with Kimmer and Kimkins affects her credibility and that disassociating now is a good option to consider. There is too much bad stuff happening at Kimkins and Kim doesn’t need this all. I think she should quit. Forget the lawyer-upping crap, just get out of Kimkins and be done with it.
August 24, 2007 at 7:52 pm
Fluffer Nutter
Kim all I can say is you lay with dogs you get up wtih fleas.
August 24, 2007 at 10:12 pm
medusa
The most annoying/frustrating part of this whole fiasco today on LCF is that Kimmer et al are probably out celebrating tonight. A great fount of information has been silenced.
August 24, 2007 at 11:11 pm
flowerpower
medusa – that may be true, but KimATC has on her own chosen Kimmer over LCF. Who knows if Kimmer told her to make a choice or not??? It wouldn’t surprise me.
I just can’t believe she chose the faudulent Kimmer??? There is just too much information here for anyone to follow Kimmer. Those that continue to support Kimmer and her fraud must have their heads in the sand at this point.
August 24, 2007 at 11:13 pm
Fluffer Nutter
Now I’m thinking Kimmer is paying her….LCF hobby and no income, easier to leave than a paycheck!
Ducky said above that if she quit Kimkins, he’d remove the post here…she just left LFC, that’s saying something without saying a word!
August 24, 2007 at 11:17 pm
flowerpower
If KimATC is being paid, she should probably talk to that attorney about what will happen to her if there are any lawsuits filed against Kimkins.
August 24, 2007 at 11:26 pm
Medusa
flowerpower, I wasn’t clear in my post.
The “great fount of information” I was referring to was the “Why the fascination with Kimmer?” thread on LCF, not KimATC.
The recent posts on that thread were thought-provoking, thoughtful, concerned and relevant re the dangers of Kimkins. Now the silence on that thread is deafening.
August 25, 2007 at 12:13 am
MeeMee729
Part of the silence on the fascination thread is because so many of our posts were (and are continuing to be) deleted as soon as almost as soon as they’re posted — and then we were/are treated to rude/hostile PMs from “Admin”.
The last one I received was — and I am not kidding — a warning that I am AGAIN in violation of the LCF TOS because of the “extensive use of font and color” in my posts.
August 25, 2007 at 1:25 am
Medusa
MeeMee729, you’re not alone. I can’t believe they censured you for so-called “extensive use of font and color” in your posts. That is utterly ridiculous.
I also received a “warning” from the LCF Admins this morning after I made a post that included a quote from another forum member. Mine was an innocuous post and was not rude or off-topic in any way. This was the message I received from the LCF Admin’s:
“Please do not just post to quote other posts. This adds to the length of the thread unnecessarily.”
I found it rather odd because posters before me had included many quotes in their posts. This happened shortly before the thread was sanitized. After receiving the “warning,” I discovered that my account had been suspended.
The thread tonight continues to remain relatively silent, with only a few senior members’ posts having passed muster with the Admins.
August 25, 2007 at 1:41 am
Janey
Wow.
August 25, 2007 at 1:42 am
LCF admin nazis
Yep, LCF are definately as paranoid as Kimkins with there cleaning up of the thread.
I really dont’ understand them. Isn’t it to their benefit that people are having discussions on there saying how kimkins (technically their COMPETITION) is bad?
LCF admins seriously need to lighten up. I too am getting sick of the contstant infractions for pathetic reasons. Too much font and colour in your post? good grief give me a break. I dont’ know if it’s one admin in particular or all 3 of them that are freaks.
What’s the name of another good low carb discussion board? I’m done with LCF.
August 25, 2007 at 1:57 am
flowerpower
Sorry about that confusion medusa – I have not been following the thread on LCF the past few weeks. Today was the first time I looked at it in quite some time. It’s too bad so many posts on that thread were deleted today. So many of them supported KimATC as a helpful lowcarb friend.
I know there has been lots of information about anorexia and eating disorders, but I have not spent time reading that stuff, as it does not apply to my life at this time. I did learn enough from the early on posts to watch the behavior of my own children, though.
KimATC has helped many people at LCF. She has been relentless with her support of anyone with injuries, me included. Her presence will be missed. Her support of Kimmer will certainly not be missed by many.
Kim now realizes, I’m sure – that she has put way too much of her personal information out there, considering she continues her support of the fraudulent Kimmer. When she signed on to become a staff member at Kimkins, she probably should have watched her back more closely. She knew from years ago that many people did not agree with Kimmer’s theories.
But, she made the choice to leave LCF – maybe her employer forced it, but it was still Kim’s choice.
August 25, 2007 at 3:36 am
Kan
Is that why the fascination thread is so quiet??? I knew I was missing something today! What in the WORLD are they so afraid of????
Meemee, I remember your post regarding KimATC. There was NOTHING wrong with it. Those administrators are such losers.
August 25, 2007 at 4:42 am
lalah
Since its obvious that people can pretend to be whomever and whatever they choose online – how do we know for certain that this KimATC person is the same as the published, highly accomplished, physical trainer Kim? Perhaps that name was chosen because there’s a verifiable identity trail behind it. I mean, I’ve never heard of a 300 pound personal trainer educated in sports medicine and working as a – what? – biomedical whatever, but broke and needing donations???? Very strange to me, just doesn’t add up. Of course, anybody can get into money trouble, but with all of those credentials it just seems like that person would be sitting pretty or at least have plenty of resources.
Just my opinion, but the whole KimATC person sounds about as legit as Kimmer, who’s also trying to convince people that she’s a freelance writer.
Seems also that someone with that much going for them wouldn’t have time to make 50,000 message board posts – but whatever!
August 25, 2007 at 5:10 am
disappointed
I’m not sure where the line of decency is regarding KimATC’s personal information… but nonetheless, I’m very disappointed by LCF lately.
Shame on LCF…
* for NOT allowing discussion and dissenting viewpoints (as allowed for other controversial diet threads) on Kimkins support threads where they could actually *MAKE A DIFFERENCE*.
* for using google ads to draw more and more people to the Kimkins starvation WOE with ads for “free Kimkins forums”.
* for increasing the importance and seeming legitimacy of the Kimkin woe by (at the very LEAST) not grouping it in “Other Plans”.
Many diet message boards DO care about ensuring that the diets their sites discuss are healthful, and immediately close threads that promote kimkins, VLCD, long-term fasting, etc. Not only are Kimkins support threads allowed, but now concerned “friends” aren’t allowed to post a gentle “hey, isn’t 500 calories too low?” Isn’t anyone concerned that LCF probably has many more 14 year olds viewing its site (and possibly even being cheered on, unwittingly) than the infamous paid diet site?
Meemee: the excessive font and color violation is pretty unbelieveable. Wow… many people use customized font/colors for their posts!
August 25, 2007 at 1:54 pm
Kimkins Staff Fitness Guru is Overweight » Kimkins Controversy
[…] Kimkins Exposed has written a lengthy and controversial post about KimATC, the Kimkins staff diet guru: With at least 50 pounds to lose, if not more, dedicated to Kimkins for quite some time now, on staff at Kimkins, and a certified athletic trainer, we have to ask “how’s that Kimkins working for ya?” […]
August 25, 2007 at 3:47 pm
lovinlowcarb
“The thread tonight continues to remain relatively silent, with only a few senior members’ posts having passed muster with the Admins.”
Check again…even one of those went “poof” and another was edited.
*sigh*
For those you asking about another lowcarb support site–I think Active Low Carbers is pretty cool–and they have an active Anti-K blogs thread that allows people to actually discuss what’s going on in the Kimmer controversy. Can’t talk about LCF much on it, which is ok by me…but plenty of freedom to talk about Kimmer and these blogs.
August 25, 2007 at 3:54 pm
MeeMee729
Hi Medusa. So sorry this has happened to you too. As far as your account being suspended, I think we can assume the Admin is reading this and the other anti-K blogs, and suspending your account is his way of punishing you. Poor little dictatortot.
August 25, 2007 at 4:00 pm
MeeMee729
I for one am boycotting Netrition. As most of you probably already know, Netrition = Forum Friends LLC = lowcarbfriends.com
They are or appear to be the same company and share the same geographic/physical mailing address and telephone number:
20 Petra Lane, Suite 6
Albany NY 12205-4977
518-464-0765
Now, as far as this particular Admin is concerned — is he the sole authority? What do the other admins (the list I have is comprised of Cheri, Dottie, etoi, and Jim) think about the whole Kimmer/Kimkins mess, and what do they think the control freak tendencies of He Who Shall Remain Nameless? Are any of the other admins willing to intervene in this reign of error?
August 25, 2007 at 4:10 pm
MeeMee729
Thank you Kan! I’ve been having a little pity party all week, LOL Sorry to everyone who had to listen, and I appreciate the opportunity to vent.
The PM re “extensive use of fonts and colors” was as I said the last straw for me. For one thing, absolutely nothing in the TOS says anything about the use of fonts and colors. I only ever used one color in any of my posts — blue, because it’s easy to read and I happen to like that color for typing, so sue me — and I only ever use one font in any of my posts, too — Comic Sans MS — ’cause it’s cute 🙂
Here’s the relevant section of the PM…
Reason:
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Excessive use of fonts and color
Please post in the default font and color that everyone else uses. It is not appropriate to make your posts stand out compared to others. Thank you.
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Not appropriate to make my posts stand out compared to others? What about so many members who use colorful Signatures in every single one of their posts? Colorful signatures spread over several lines and using fonts, smileys, etc. They don’t “stand out” ?
Isn’t that the whole purpose for having those features on the board? So that people can use them, to express their individuality?
Oh wait, individuality is bad and must be stopped. D’oh!
August 25, 2007 at 6:08 pm
MeeMee729
Correction: It’s Friends Forums LLC, not Forum Friends. Sorry about the goof.
August 25, 2007 at 7:00 pm
Medusa
LCF Admins Hypocritical??
I found it rather odd when I checked out the LCF “Fascination” thread this afternoon that post #7998 posted on 08-25-2007 at 02:23 p.m. had been allowed/approved by LCF Admins, especially in light of their warning yesterday where they stated that…
“Since certain shock bloggers are going far beyond respectable reporting with vicious attacks on the weight of individuals and photoshopped faces placed on obese bodies – among other sleazy tactics – we are no longer permitting links and discussions of certain blog entries here. Please visit those blogs directly if interested in reading them. Thank you.””
I think the inclusion of the before and after pictures in post #7998 is insensitive and in extremely bad taste, especially the “before” picture. I may be way off base here, so I’d be interested in finding out if it strikes anyone else the same way. To my mind, LCF Admins are patently hypocritical.
Here is the post by kingstu:
“Kimmer has done a fantastic job of taking pieces from Atkins, Stillman, and South Beach, combining them into one very low calorie diet and dispensing nutritional advice with no credentials whatsoever. She has created a “cult of personality” which is evident by the number of her defenders on the Interweb.
What boggles my mind is how can even one person defend her when she refuses to post a photograph or even give an in person interview? Has anyone seen Jimmy Moore’s blog. You can’t stop the guy from posting photos, youtube videos, doing interviews with anyone who will listen. What kind of weight loss “expert” doesn’t post her own photo and instead posts so many different photos of different people claiming to be herself that it’s almost laughable.
What kind of person makes up success stories and posts photos of professional models as after photos?
I’m going to start the Stukins Weight Loss program.
Before:
(picture)
After:
(picture)
You too can experience the incredible transformation on the Stukins weight loss plan. It will make you thinner, change your race and even make you a fabulously wealthy musical genius.”
Should the LCF Admins delete the post and pictures, I have saved them and would be glad to send them on to you.
August 25, 2007 at 7:51 pm
cleochatra
lowcarblounge.com No pro-kimmer discussions, no font and color violations, no bad aftertaste. From people who acted as administrators and moderators at ADBB and LCBB. Come on over.
August 25, 2007 at 9:08 pm
Robin Bayne
MeeMee and Medusa, I have been “warned” about things on LCF also, which is why I rarely post there anymore.
It is very strange that everyone on LCF talks about how Kimmer deletes posts and reads PMs, when that very thing is why Kimmer and many others originally left LCF to start a new site.
August 26, 2007 at 2:14 am
Medusa
Because my previous post is a just a tad confusing (actually, it’s very confusing), I just wanted to summarize what I was trying to get across:
I’m surprised that the LCF Admins allowed the posting of a picture of an anonymous obese man in a parody ,especially in light of the fact that they became so incensed over the “vicious attacks on the weight of individuals and photoshopped faces placed on obese bodies.” I don’t know who “obesemanpa4″ is but I’m sure he’d be mortified if he saw that he was not only a “before” picture in a thread in a diet forum but had also morphed into old Snoop Dog.
I saved the photos in case the Admins suddenly decided that maybe it wasn’t such a great idea to have the pictures posted in the Fascination thread, or maybe thought they might be opening themselves up to some legal action by obesemanpa4. I just wanted them saved for posterity…or some such thing.
I’m afraid my sense of humour has become tainted because of this whole LCF fiasco. I am furious that they deleted my innocuous posts, sent me ridiculous e-mails as to why those posts were deleted, and then capped it off with suspending my account.
I’m blaming the LCF Admins for my inability to keep a train of thought together long enough to make an intelligent post, which doesn’t beg questions or become lost in translation. :^)
August 26, 2007 at 5:22 am
MeeMee729
One final note and then I’ll shut up. Re my comment about boycotting Netrition. I want Netrition/Friends Forums LLC to appoint/hire new LCF admins who are fair, impartial, and polite. But as a friend who has a kind heart pointed out, a boycott would hurt the board members themselves. So I’m feeling rather guilty for even bringing it up.
August 26, 2007 at 5:54 am
Kan
Umm I’m sorry but I don’t give a crap how nice and supportive
KimATC was on LCF. She should be ashamed of herself for prostituting her credentials to Kimmer for a quick buck. I don’t care how hard up you are for money, this is totally unethical.
Was she active at all on Kimmers board? Was there an “Ask the trainer” thread or anything? If she was pretty much seen (on the team page) but not heard, than that is exactly what she was doing….selling herself.
August 27, 2007 at 6:52 pm
Interesting
I was curious about another Kimkins staffer, Ailsa, so I googled “Ailsa Lincolnshire”. The first site is an amateur busty BBW escort by the name of Ailsa who escorts in Lincolnshire and London. Quite a strange coincidence!
August 27, 2007 at 9:43 pm
LindaJ
I’m so sorry my friend KimATC got involved with the Kimkins site and that it has led to all this. Yes, she’s real, a very knowledgable athletic trainer, former high school athletic trainer (job she loved but which didn’t pay well), a former power-lifter, a great mom, a super-sweet person. She answered tons of people’s questions about various aches and pains on the LCF boards.
The car story is true! I’m so glad she took that beast off my hands! … and still got some use out of it. We turned the handover into a fun, fun “girls weekend”.
September 10, 2007 at 1:34 pm
Bye-Bye KimATC « Kimkins Exposed
[…] ATC, nutrition advice, Heidi Diaz, Kimmer, medical advice, Kimkins, Weight Loss After we provided some background details on one Kimkins staffer, KimATC, she quickly fled into the confines of the Kimkins website, leaving her friends at Low Carb […]
September 10, 2007 at 5:07 pm
CMe
Kim may be overweight, but did you know that fat people can be fit, too? **gasp** It’s true! I’ve seen it.
*This poster has no affiliation with either Kimmer/Heidi, KimATC, and is not a KimBot.* I just think KATC should not be dissected, but do what you think is right. However, if she knew what was going on and was in on it, then all’s fair!
September 11, 2007 at 3:25 am
Watcher
If KimATC is truly gone from the Kimtanic, why does this thread even exist?
October 3, 2007 at 3:39 pm
karen
Please direct everyone to ktla.com..a major news channel in California. They’ve exposed Kimmer/Heidi on National News and have her on video surveillance. They try to talk to her but she jumps in her car!!!
One news channel down…we won’t stop until she’s on Dateline with Stone Phillips. She can be qualified as a predator too!!!
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