Let’s Review Important Information

Since July we’ve posted about the dangers of the Kimkins diet and the deceptions used in selling it.

For those just tuning in, please take a few moments to read some of our most important posts:

• Fake Success Story Pictures
• Kimkins Manipulation: One Diet Fits All Dietary Patterns
• Mission Possible: Convince People Being Fat is Worse than the Kimkins Diet
• Kimkins Sells Potentially Deadly Very Low Calorie Diet
• Kimkins Very Low Calorie Diet Courts Health Risks, Death (must read for anyone who has actually followed the diet plans as written)

Information about the class action lawsuit is available here.

Information about requesting refunds at PayPal is available here.

A summary of the controversy is available on Wikipedia. (Wiki deleted the article)

UPDATE: Ducky is taking the weekend off to spend time with family and friends. For those new to our blog, please take some time this weekend to read our posts and understand why we feel it is important the truth about Kimkins and Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) be exposed. For those continuing along and keeping up, we’ll be back on Monday and hope you’ll take a breather this weekend too to relax and have some fun!

We will be moderating comments over the weekend, so if you leave a comment, it will be in the queue until we get to it as we have time throughout the weekend.

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October 5, 2007 at 2:06 pm

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October 5, 2007 at 2:28 pm

McLurkypants

After some back & forth over deletion attempts, I’ve gotten an article to stick on Wikipedia – all familiar with Wikipedia editing should feel free to hop over there and contribute! Kimkins Controversy on Wikipedia.

October 5, 2007 at 2:51 pm

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October 5, 2007 at 2:58 pm

BamaGal

Here is something else that needs addressing, the Ezine articles. I did a couple of blog posts about it. I still have not received any info from them. But they have addressed it in their own blog. Check out these links.

Ezine Articles « Kimkins Scam

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October 5, 2007 at 3:07 pm

captivated

mclurkypants – that is beautiful!

i can’t stop watching this story unfold. it’s like the OJ trial!

October 5, 2007 at 11:12 pm

Cryssi

*********for ducky**********

This was made by Gina for you over at LCF. These are the new badges we’re all sporting in leiu of the rubber ducks.

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/9311882-post872.html

October 6, 2007 at 2:07 am

Susan

Looks like the Wiki article is down. I was really hoping to check it out, too!
Did anyone copy the Wiki article anywhere that can be read now?

October 6, 2007 at 2:58 am

Kimmer Is Busted

http://www.behappy2day.com/girls_info.php?i=6077&f=1

October 6, 2007 at 3:02 am

kim

Dude, go to LCF, they found the red dress.

October 6, 2007 at 3:02 am

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October 6, 2007 at 3:07 am

kkatastrophediet

http://www.behappy2day.com/girls_info.php?i=6077&f=1

red dress alert!

October 6, 2007 at 3:12 am

HoneyBee

The big fake picture source was found…Kimmer in the red dress goes by the name Lesya http://www.behappy2day.com/girls_info.php?i=6077&f=1

October 6, 2007 at 3:47 am

Concerned about kimkins

Ducky Wake the hell up!!!!

http://www.behappy2day.com/girls_info.php?i=6077&f=1

October 6, 2007 at 3:53 am

BamaGal

The lady in the red dress as been found!!!

http://www.behappy2day.com/girls_info.php?i=6077&f=1

October 6, 2007 at 5:34 am

Laura

Here’s the Lady in Red:

Lesya

http://www.behappy2day.com/girls_info.php?i=6077&f=1

http://www.behappy2day.com/girls_info.php?i=6077&f=2

October 6, 2007 at 5:47 am

McLurkypants

Have you heard that the RED DRESS photo Kimmer presented as hers has been found on one of those Russian mail order bride sites by a woman named “Buzzybee” at LCF??

HERE she is!

October 6, 2007 at 5:48 am

McLurkypants

OK I don’t know if that link works?

http://www.behappy2day.com/girls_info.php?i=6077&f=1

October 6, 2007 at 8:30 am

Princess Dieter

The Red Dress has been found. And Ducky missed it. Dang, Ducky.

But I’m sure by Monday, when you return, there will be all sorts of new reports about the Kimtanic.

Happy Weekend All. I feel sooooo good about that pic being found. YES!

The Princess

October 6, 2007 at 1:02 pm

Susan

Hmm, my post of last night is gone… Anyway, I had posted that the Wiki article is down. Anyone have a copy posted elsewhere that we can read?

October 6, 2007 at 1:13 pm

Princess Dieter

Yeah, it supersucks that they deleted it. McLurky had done a great job, lots of good links. I hope it’s reinstated.

The Princess

October 6, 2007 at 2:14 pm

Susan

PD, I know – I hope to see the Wiki article soon.
McLurky, any chance you kept a copy?
Wow! I wake up this morning to a Blizzard of Red Dresses! This is great.

October 6, 2007 at 3:11 pm

thatgirl

I can’t get into LCF right now. Grrrr. Internet page cannot be displyed. I wonder if Heidi was letting Brandon out his hacker hat on again.

October 6, 2007 at 4:42 pm

Susan

Yep, LCF boards appear to be down. I was able to go to LCD and to the main board page, but was unable to access specific links such as Stillmans etc.

Can’t wait to see what Darth Kimmer still has up her sleeve.

My prediction is her next spin will be to play her sympathy card. She will take a page from the Paris / Brittney playbook.

October 7, 2007 at 2:13 am

McLurkypants

Susan & Ducky, I am having to go thru the challenge procedure on Wikipedia (AGAIN). I have the support of the admins who deleted it the first time I put it up – we shall see what happens.

I AM SO PISSED that I didn’t save a copy of it! Others had gone on and edited & added so much stuff, it was really growing. I hope it will come back – I’ll spread the word when it does. Glad you appreciated it!

October 8, 2007 at 3:10 pm

theTRUTH

This is for the California attorney generals consumer complaint form.

http://ag.ca.gov/contact/complaint_form.php?cmplt=CL

December 27, 2007 at 4:57 pm

katinsac

Friends don’t let friends do Kimkins! Remember that cover girl on the WW Mag? Well, she learned the hard way about Kimkins and it’s dangers!! Read her blog and decide for yourself.

http://the-journey-on.blogspot.com/

December 27, 2007 at 9:43 pm

katinsac

Now that you know the Truth…Join the Lawsuit!!

http://kimkinslawsuit.wordpress.com/

Kimmer Continues to Lie, “I am not Heidi”

In an exclusive release of a detailed information from Kimkins, theTRUTH posts a message in which Kimmer continues to insist she is not Heidi Diaz, even though we all know better.

It is both shocking to see and incredibly telling about how far Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) will go to continue perpetuating the lies and frauds.

Kimmer wrote:

We are surprised that the extent of their investigation was to post information from the anti-Kimmer websites. We cannot make this any more plain that I am not Heidi. She and I have been friends since high school and when I began posting on the internet nearly 10 years ago I used Heidi. As I’ve mentioned, I also use other names when writing, particularly for men’s magazines. Heidi is an owner of Kimkins.com and nothing more. How do I say this nicely? She doesn’t “care” about Kimkins. Her interests are in other areas entirely. I did not trust Catherine (former partner) and Heidi stepped in as me. She has not seen the news clip but I will be seeing her this weekend.

The news clip me of the “diet review” done by About.com which also only parrots the anti-Kimmer blogs. No medical review. No impartiality. Hundreds of pro-Kimkins members wrote to Laura Dolson (who was impressed with their intelligence she told me), but didn’t change her review at all.

Oh well, can’t win them all.

The focus of Kimkins.com has always been about weight loss. We want to keep that focus. We’ve had 3 new success stories submitted this week and CONGRATS to those members! We’ll have them up soon and thanks for your generosity in sharing to motivate others!

The Kimkins partners have formed a management group headed by Tippy Toes. All of the admins, partners, staff and I are hard at work behind the scenes making Kimkins a bigger and better site for our members. Tippy Toes has graciously accepted responsibility for coordinating everyone (when does that girl sleep) and she’s doing a stellar job!

If anyone has questions, ask an admin! Danielle & Wannabefit2 are Kimkins staffers. We appreciate the enormous amount of time all admins donate to Kimkins members. They are extremely generous people.

We’ve got some exciting features to announce very soon — all designed to help with life_style_ changes for permanent weight loss. Stay tuned!

Read the full post at theTRUTH Starts Here

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If you have not yet watched the KTLA broadcast, you can watch the video here. Tonight KTLA will broadcast part 2 at 10:00 PM PDT.

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October 3, 2007 at 4:34 pm

Cryssi

She comments in the first paragraph about it being Heidi. Then she turns around and says “In the news clip of ME…”

Which is it you big, fat, liar?????

October 3, 2007 at 4:34 pm

On the Sidelines

Ok let me get this straight. She says she is not Hedi but a size 4 girl in a red dress. Well then way did she says this:

taken from above: “The news clip ME”

Ok how can she be a size 4 girl and big the woman in the news clip.

Wake up people this woman can not keep her lies straight anymore. Please wake up before you do serious damage to yourself.

October 3, 2007 at 4:35 pm

2big4mysize

if Heidi isn’t kimmer two questions

why didi kimmers podcast with Jimmy Moore voice come out of her mouth when she said no comment?

Why didn’t she just say no I am not that woman in that pic as I am not kimmer just a chilkdhood friend and employee?

October 3, 2007 at 4:46 pm

Dottie

I am going to need a roll-eye-ectomy after this….

October 3, 2007 at 4:49 pm

mac

Kimmer with friends like who needs enemies?

October 3, 2007 at 4:49 pm

mac

oops you

October 3, 2007 at 4:53 pm

JenX

lmfao. hidey you’re finished!

October 3, 2007 at 4:53 pm

Kim

So, let’s take her at her word (yes, I’m choking as I say that)…then why doesn’t she just prove she’s not Heidi? It’s as simple as a podcast, a news story (which I’m sure the reporter doing the story right now would give her the opportunity to do just that). PROVE it instead of sitting behind your keyboard and tripping yourself up on your lies.

Heidi – You have lied SO much, nobody believes ANYTHING you say…you can’t even keep your own lies straight anymore. Your own postings prove yourself wrong – there isn’t even a need for a P.I. anymore, you prove the lies for us. All that the Ducky’s and theTRUTH’s in the world have to do is copy and paste your own posts, you prove yourself wrong everytime. Your day in court is coming and if you were EVER a foster parent or CASA, your fingerprints are on record sweety, so sitting in front of a judge and saying you aren’t Heidi Diaz won’t work, just set you up for more charges – perjury. We know the truth, you know the truth, you are just grasping at straws.

Sorry for the rant, but on top of being duped out of my hard earned money, this woman is now insulting my intelligence. It it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it’s certainly not a dog, it’s a duck…yes, that pun is intended! It is Heidi, we all know it – and she continues to think she is going to get away with this.

October 3, 2007 at 5:20 pm

MicheleP

Hidey:

You are a lying sack of SNATT!

October 3, 2007 at 5:41 pm

Just Ducky

We accidentally deleted a comment and aren’t sure even which post it was made to. It included links to archives of the Kimkins website prior to the changes now underway. If that person can repost, it would be greatly appreciated.

October 3, 2007 at 5:46 pm

Kim

Tippy toes and management used together in the same sentence is just plain hilarious!!!

Does anybody know if anyone has posted or tried to post the link to the newscast on Kimkins today?

October 3, 2007 at 5:50 pm

itscloudyinhere

What will happen when Heidi is ordered by the court to produce kimmer and she can’t/won’t?

October 3, 2007 at 5:53 pm

itscloudyinhere

Remember that psychopaths don’t break even when they’re caught.
They typically try to befriend the police and detectives as someone who’s “not-guilty-just-trying-to-be-a-helpful-citizen” would.

October 3, 2007 at 6:59 pm

jwc

I just hope they don’t try to put Kimmer and Heidi in separate jail cells. Could get messy.

October 3, 2007 at 7:20 pm

Stiff

Heidi was her cousin, then her friend, then some random business partner, etc…pleaaaaaaaaaase.

Why would you be partner in something you care nothing about? It happens when big bucks are made and complicated projects arise, but it’s a diet site that apparently all you have to do is sit at your keyboard all day to control. I don’t think that comment is CLOSE to making sense about Heidi not caring.

ALL before pictures match with Heidi. The fun part is that Kimmers old avatar on LCF is the same person in the before pictures/dating site pictures of Heidi…which is the same person in Kimmer’s before picture…

….yeaaaaah.

How can someone be so dumb? She doesn’t follow the diet so obviously doesn’t have light-headedness, nausea, or brain damage…except maybe from staring at the screen all day…

“I did not trust Catherine (former partner) and Heidi stepped in as me”

Does that just not add up to anyone else?

October 3, 2007 at 7:31 pm

Dottie

Catherine never met kimmer/heidi, so that’s just an off-the-wall claim anyway.

October 3, 2007 at 10:11 pm

antikimkins

Right, Stiff, yet she has also claimed that Heidi knows nothign about Kimkins and doesn’t care, she just collects the money. So how would Heidi “step in for her” without any Kimkins knowledge?

And IF IF IF IF Heidi and Kimmer were two different peeps (and pigs really do fly) why doesn’t Heidi just whip out Kimmer’s pic and say, “look, HERE”s the woman in the red dress who lost all the weight, this is Kimmer!” She doesn’t even try to defend herself. If that was MY friend and she was the one who lost the weight but I was bankrolling the business, I’d sure put her face on everything and make it clear that she was the success story. I wouldn’t run and hide and say No Comment.

Sheesh, people, wake up!!!

October 3, 2007 at 10:12 pm

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October 4, 2007 at 2:28 am

Jazzy

Kimmer’s ‘before’ picture is without a doubt the same woman that Kimmer claims is Heidi.
So…she used a picture of Heidi as her before picture and then her own picture as her after picture??? Does she even know what she’s saying anymore.
How can anyone read that explanation and still believe her?

October 4, 2007 at 1:34 pm

Not Heidi Either

Kimmer isn’t Heidi?

Who cares? We’ll take Heidi. We can prove Heidi started Kimkins, we can prove she’s taking money for it, hiring the admins, paying for the server. She is Kimkins. If she’s not Kimmer, who cares, she’s as culpable and guilty as Kimmer then. If Kimmer has done such a good job pretending to be Heidi, then Heidi will not be able to prove she’s *not* Kimmer.

Let Heidi take the fall for you, Kimmer, we don’t care. We’ll take her and let her pay for your mistakes. She won’t be able to avoid paying for them because she won’t be able to prove she’s not Kimmer unless you come forward and then we have you.

WIN-WIN. For us. Either we, we got ya (or Heidi).

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Kimmer Plays it Cool

This morning, after KTLA’s segment last night, featuring Kimkins as an ‘internet scam’, Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) is downplaying the significance of the broadcast and remains calm and cool to members.

With no remorse or explanation about the broadcast, Kimmer is posting away in an attempt to quiet any questioning, and banning members who dare speak up.

On the thread ‘Ask Kimmer’ a member wrote:

Just want to publicly throw in my two cents about all the controversy swirling around us. I know you would get a lot of flack if you did this, Kimmer, but–I wouldn’t care a bit if you took out all the negative stuff. I think the time for reaction to and self-_expression_ regarding all the people leaving, the lawsuit, etc. needs to have run its course. Those of us who are trying to focus on the program keep running into all that “stuff” on just about every thread we turn to. Enough is enough!

Kimmer replied:

I know. We’re doing our best to keep it off the site. People who enjoy reading it can find it at 1,001 other places. Meanwhile, stay focused, do your work, let your body show you what it can do!

On another thread, Kimmer wrote:

Maybe I can shed some light?

The point of this website — the entire reason it exists — is to help people lose weight. When there’s interference with that intent, we take action. Whether that is banning troublemakers or removing elements that distract from our purpose, we do it.

Personally I don’t like negativity on this site. I’ve said it a thousand times and I still mean it. If anyone is unhappy or disillusioned, there are a ton of other websites to vent your feelings. Or, start an anti-Kimmer blog like the “popular kids”. Sorry, bad humor. Everyone is 100% to their opinion. Absolutely. Just take the negative opinions elsewhere.

Or, you could just lose weight?

Those of you who have been members since the website started have seen regular changes to the front page. I think we are on #5 “facelift”? Our graphic guys get bored and every few months they get an urge to make changes. Unfortunately, this change was stopped midway. The brother of our lead graphic person is having open heart surgery and the balance of the design changes have been postponed a few days.

They’ve got ideas for another front page change a few months from now. It’s the nature of the beast.

And on yet another thread, inquiring about the removal of success stories from the site, Kimmer wrote:

I’m right here!

We are renovating the front page. We needed more space on the top menu bar so some elements were removed. Success stories are still there in photo form on the right side and expanded to show 5 at a time. We’ll be adding 3 new success stories this week!

The naysayers would love for me to chat on … so I won’t. We’ve got some new support resources for members coming up, too! Keep an eye out!

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If you have not yet watched the KTLA broadcast, you can watch the video here. Tonight KTLA will broadcast part 2 at 10:00 PM PDT.

Jimmy Moore Follows Up on Christin’s Story

Please note, the following is a repost from Livin’ La Vida Low Carb. We have edited to remove graphics and embedded video.

Kimkins cover girl: “I was wrong…Kimkins is not the way to lose weight”

It takes a very special person to publicly admit when they were wrong about something even after multiple warnings and concerns shared by those around them. And yet that is exactly what has happened this week when Kimkins Woman’s World cover girl Christin delivered an impassioned video apology at her blog along with a detailed explanation of the health complications she and others have suffered since beginning the risky low-carb imposter diet scheme devised by a morbidly obese woman named Heidi Diaz.

I blogged about my concerns over the Kimkins fiasco that culminated earlier this week when this beautiful young woman had to be rushed to the emergency room because of some pain in her chest and heart complications. When you hear something like this happening that was brought on by such an extreme low-fat/low-calorie diet like Kimkins, it should make you angry. AND I AM ANGRY ABOUT IT!

To anyone who is still on the Kimkins diet, CHRISTIN has a message just for YOU (link to video)

Show your support for and encouragement to Christin by leaving a comment about this video at her “The Journey On” blog. What a brave woman she is and I am honored to know her as a friend. She has demonstrated nothing but grace, elegance, and dignity in the midst of what has become a complete and utter nightmare for so many of us in the low-carb community concerning this Kimkins debacle.

For the sake of those who cannot view the video, the following is a summary of the video, including direct quotes made by Christin regarding her experience following the Kimkins diet. Be prepared to be shocked and stunned as she shares quite openly about the negative impact this weight loss fraud has had and may continue to have on her health. Pray for her even now as she seeks to reverse the damage that has been done.

Christin said she did this video so that others would “know exactly where I stand on this.” She explained why most people choose to lose weight: to improve their health. Period! When you are 100+ pounds overweight, then you are not living healthy, she noted.

She chose the Kimkins program because she “wanted to lose weight quickly and I thought healthfully” because she “wanted more for my life.” She wanted to “be there” for her family in the years to come. I think all of us who have ever gone on a weight loss plan can relate to that.

When she first began, the program was working great for her because “I was following the program exactly as written. I thought I was doing perfectly.” But after losing 100 pounds in five months, Christin then conspicuously noticed there was not one single doctor who approved the Kimkins diet. That’s when she started looking into who Heidi Diaz, aka Kimmer, really was and what she claimed to be.

Diaz had alleged in the marketing of Kimkins that she lost 198 pounds in 11 months on this Kimkins diet and was promoting it that way to anyone who would listen with supposed pictures to prove it. But it was this recent series of articles that included recent photographs of Diaz along with several other sites that made Christin become concerned and realize that those claims by Diaz were simply “not true.”

“Heidi did not lose the weight, she did not follow this program that she claims is safe for anybody, even for diabetics,” Christin said.

Then Christin turned in her video to the “risks” of being on the Kimkins diet that she discovered first-hand while following the program. She said she has real “concerns for everyone else that has attempted this program or will attempt this program.”

That includes first and foremost hair loss. Christin admitted that her hair “started fall out in handfuls” and it “scared” her. She estimates she has lost as much as 60 percent of what used to be “thick, full hair” prior to her Kimkins experience.

“Now it’s very thin,” she exclaimed.

Another side effect was the loss of her menstrual cycle that she believes happened from “eating so few calories and my body was becoming malnourished.” She said the hair loss and lack of periods are both tell-tale signs of anorexia, an eating disorder where victims literally starve themselves to be thin.

“I believe now the Kimkins diet program promotes a form of anorexia that I don’t know if science has even attempted touch on this yet,” Christin stated. “300 calories a day is not safe weight loss.”

Any dietary change this drastic need to be closely monitored by a doctor just like those who undergo gastric bypass surgery do, she added.

When these symptoms began to show up, Christin went on the Kimkins forums to see if anyone else was losing their hair and female cycle like she was. “What’s going on?” she pleaded to anyone who would listen to her concerns. And Christin said she “saw it come up multiple times” regarding these symptoms she was having in other people, too.

The excuse provided in response to this happening was that it was “perfectly normal and you’re going through a shed. Your body is just losing estrogen.” It was just too coincidental that “almost every other person who kept their calories under 1000 calories, probably more under 700 calories, has lost hair.”

“I don’t want to scare you,” Christin said speaking directly to people who are still following Kimkins, “but I want to bring you into the reality that there is a better way to lose weight.”

Christin asks “are you really doing this?” and urges people to take their diet plan to their doctor for him to examine it. “Take him your Fitday, take him exactly what you are eating, let him see your calorie counts,” she said.

“I’m concerned about you,” Christin pleaded.

Christin says she is sorry for supporting the “dangerous” Kimkins diet

When the time came for Christin to step into the spotlight back in June when the Woman’s World magazine cover story opportunity came up, she said she was “put on a pedestal as the ‘cover girl.’ I was the model, I was the way to do it.” But now she realizes how she was used as a pawn and seeks the mercy of those who trusted and looked up to her.

“I need to ask your forgiveness,” she said. “I’m sorry. I was wrong. Kimkins is not the way to lose weight. Kimkins is dangerous…for your health, it’s dangerous for your psyche.”

But as much as Kimkins hurt Christin up until this point, none of it was as grave as what was happening to her without even realizing it. She had the symptoms of an eating disorder that she admits made her realize she “had a problem” when she was fearful of even consuming some salad out of fear that she’d stall in her weight loss.

“I did not get fat on salad and on healthy vegetables,” Christin explained. “I got fat on sugar and white carbs.”

Getting over the fear of eating was a very difficult mental test for Christin as she now obsessed over every little bite of food she was eating and how it would impact her on the scale. She revealed that she hasn’t met anyone who has been on the Kimkins program who wasn’t “literally scared” to add food back into their diet.

“What kind of a program is it that makes you scared? Weight loss is not about fear, weight loss is about excitement, it’s about joy, it’s about recapturing your life,” Christin shared with a glimmer in her eyes. “It should be a fun journey, not a fearful one.”

And yet fear was exactly what gripped Christin and it would not let go of her.

“If I wasn’t losing everyday, then I began wondering what was wrong with me,” Christin admitted. “Nothing was wrong with me. My body was screaming at me. It was putting the brakes on and telling me you’re going about this the wrong way.”

As a devout Christian, she knew that “God created us to eat healthy foods; vegetables and fruits, whole grains, and yes, even fat.” Christin reiterated that she believes there is “validity to low-carb programs” like Atkins, Protein Power, and the like when they are done the correct way and not the Kimkins way.

“You will provide your body with all of the nutrients that it needs” when you follow low-carb by the book, Christin shared. “God did not create you to starve yourself.”

Outlining the “many dangers within the Kimkins program,” she said that it goes much deeper than just an eating disorder. She said that “something is going on within my body” and that it has been manifested in the form of “flutters” in her heart for the past month.

“Twinges, cramps, aches, all within my chest cavity right around the area of my heart,” Christin expressed, sharing that it all came to a head on Monday when the “severe chest pains…stomach aches, and nausea” were so great she was admitted to the emergency room staying there until late at night.

The doctors examined her with many tests, including an EKG, blood work, chest x-rays, and they kept her at the hospital for several hours to monitor her condition. It’s still unknown what caused the tremendous pain to come on Christin like it did on Monday night, but she was prescribed pain medications and was referred to a cardiologist for an immediate follow-up visit.

That visit to the cardiologist took place on Wednesday who shared several concerns for Christin. With a “more and more serious” look on his face after hearing Christin’s story about her starvation-mode weight loss method compliments of the Kimkins diet, he told her flat out that “our bodies can suffer damage from eating that little.”

After conducting more tests on her, including an EKG, an ECG, blood work, and “lots of listening with the stethoscope,” the cardiologist said he was not concerned about what he called a “normal” low pulse rate of 45 (incidentally, mine is in the upper 40’s since I lost nearly 200 pounds and Christin has experienced a heart rate in the low-to-mid 40’s). Even still, she says she “might get a second opinion on” just to be sure about it.

But there were real concerns that the cardiologist had for Christin, including “possible damage to my heart nodes and valves from malnutrition.” Because of that, he wants to have a sonogram of Christin’s heart to confirm whether or not there is this damage since it was inconclusive from the initial examination. He’s also concerned about some “esophageal spasms” that happen whenever there is a “rapid change in your dietary program and you lose a lot of weight.”

“Things can change on your insides,” Christin quoted the cardiologist as saying, “that it takes it a while to catch up.”

She is now medication for this “distress” with the contractions surrounding her esophagus and trying to rest as her body goes through the healing process.

Speaking passionately and directly to those who still think the Kimkins diet is a safe and effective way to lose weight in a healthy manner, Christin had an extremely clear and articulate message for them.

“If I and my story can stop anyone else from having pain and having the fear that I did that I might have caused even further damage and by attempting to be for my family I hindered my longevity with them–I was scared to death. That ride to the hospital was one of the most fearful ones that I have ever had! My husband was scared at having to face the possibility of losing his wife and his helper and his love,” she recalled from her haunting experience earlier this week.

When they got to the hospital, Christin said she and her husband “prayed together” while holding hands hoping for the best in God’s hands. And that’s something she wants to help others avoid if they will simply listen to what she has to say.

“If I can save any of you from having to go through that, then it is worth it,” Christin concluded.

Speaking about her role as the Public Relations head of Kimkins last month and as the cover girl on the Woman’s World magazine in June, Christin said she did it because she “thought [she] was helping” others as is her heart’s desire.

“It has always been my desire to help people,” she said. “And especially those that I feel a connection with, those who have struggled to lose weight their entire lives, those who have issues with obesity–something that I know all too well.”

Christin said taking on those responsibilities felt like she was “doing my part to give hope, to give assurance, to sympathize and to empathize” with people who were facing the same struggles that she had trying to lose weight. She still has those feelings for people who want to beat their obesity which is why she is still blogging and participating in a low-carb forum again.

“My heart goes out to you because I know what it’s like,” Christin stated. “I know the euphoria of losing weight quickly, but I also know the risks and the dangers involved and I am begging with you now to please listen to your body like I’ve said so many times and do the right thing.”

She added: “There is a right way and a wrong way to lose weight. And I am now convinced that starving yourself and utilizing the Kimkins program in that manner is not the right way.”

Realizing there is still a need for a community for people who desire weight loss the healthy way, Christin said we should all “stand together and learn together” the “correct way to use a low-carb program to make each other healthy, to live a longer life for our loved ones and our families.”

Christin said she’ll be back to blogging again soon and appreciates the friendship and love that has been shown to her through this horrific experience.

“I love you and I’m here for you,” she concluded.

Visit Christin and learn more about her continuing low-carb weight loss journey at her “The Journey On” blog as well as the “Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Discussion” forum. And if you would like to contact Woman’s World magazine to let them know about your concerns regarding the Kimkins program, their direct e-mail address is DearWW@aol.com. Perhaps if enough of us let them know about Christin and others who have suffered serious health consequences from being on Kimkins, then they may print a retraction.

Kimkins Dangers Reachs Out…

On Saturday, Kimkins Dangers reached out in a post to current staff, admins and members. It is an open letter worth repeating!

Dear Kimkins Staff, Forum Admins, Affiliates and Members,

Much has happened to Kimkins over the course of the last month, none of it good. Many loved and well respected members have fled the scene, Becky, Christin and Deni among them. All of them had their reasons and many of their reasons were the same. Please click on each name to read their own accounts of their time at Kimkins. Really. Read them. These are the stories of three women who had cheered for Kimmer and Kimkins for a long time. They had promoted the diet to their friends and others. They worked very closely with Kimmer to forge the foundations of the plan that you are now following and promoting to others. You need to understand why they left. They are not “haters”. They are not “jealous”. They are not Kimmer’s ex-business partner (and neither are we, fyi.). They truly believed in Kimkins and in Kimmer and you owe it to yourself to find out why they changed their minds.

In case you haven’t noticed, there has been a mass exodus of Kimkins members recently. Some of them voluntary, but many were banned for airing their opinions or asking questions that were uncomfortable for Kimmer. They are also not haters, nor are they jealous. They were paid, lifetime members that had concerns that Kimmer would not answer. They wanted to know, from Kimmer’s own words, if the bloggers and forum posts about Kimkins were true. They wanted to know if those pictures posted on slamboard really are of Kimmer now. They just wanted to know. Instead of answers, they were banned from accessing the site that they paid for. Why is that?

One of the new admins is now posting stories that this entire mess was begun by Catherine, Kimmer’s ex-business partner. We assure you that is not the case. We do not know Catherine, have never exchanged a single email with her or have had any contact with her at all. We know of her story, but that is it. We here at Kimkins Dangers are not jealous and we are not haters.

We are very worried about everyone that is on the Kimkins diet plans. We are worried about your health first and foremost, for even though you may not believe that the diet can be dangerous, there is ample information that says otherwise. Information that comes not from personal experience, though that is also available, but from medical studies, peer reviewed case histories and the like. Real, factual, honest evidence, not supposition and opinion.

We are also concerned for those Kimkins members, staff, admins and affiliates for the possible legal liability that they may soon face. The lawyer that is spearheading the class action lawsuit has now confirmed his involvement and has been sent reams of information and evidence pertaining to the Kimkins website, it’s owner and it’s staff.

We know that the California Office of the Foster Care Ombudsman is actively investigating the situation, specifically as it pertains to Heidi’s claims of foster children in her care and the subsequent fundraiser that ensued. The same member that began that fundraiser is now asking other members to partake in yet another fundraiser, though this time for diabetes, allegedly.

Other agencies, local, state and federal are likely to become involved in the near future. This again is not simply opinion, we state this as fact. We will not say anything more on this at this particular time to protect the parties involved and the work that is being done. But be assured, the work IS being done.

If you have been contemplating leaving the sinking ship that is Kimkins, now would be the time. We have read all of the excuses, the ones that say that it does not matter if Kimmer weighs 300 pounds or more, the ones that say it doesn’t matter if she’s lied about this, that or any other thing, the ones that insist the diet is safe and healthy, even the ones that say they aren’t doing the diet, but want to remain for the friendship and camaraderie of the forums. Whatever the reason, understand that the window of opportunity is closing and the time to leave is now.

It matters greatly that Kimmer weighs 300 pounds or more. She sold her plan based on her own claims of having lost 198 pounds in 11 months. This was not true. False claims have crippled companies much larger than Kimkins and they will bring Kimkins to it’s knees as well.

It matters greatly that Kimmer has lied about this, that and the other thing. The list of her lies is very long and growing every day. Integrity is something you should place a very high value on, not eschew in favor of a “quick fix” to your weight issue.

For those who are simply staying for the friendship and the forums, there are many other places you can go where you will be welcomed and supported, yes, even LCF. Active-LowCarber forums, Jimmy Moore’s forums, Amy/Curlygirl’s website, etc., etc. Please consider joining one of these communities as you will find many other ex-kimkins members there as well.

When Kimmer states that there is nothing more dangerous than being overweight, understand that this is not true. Read the stories of those who have suffered health problems as a result of following Kimmer’s diet plans here. Read the medical evidence that shows clearly why diets such as Kimkins are truly dangerous, not only in the short term, but also in the long term. You may not have any symptoms right now, but continue along that dangerous path, and you will very likely end up far worse off than you are now. Please do your research. Your health is not worth wasting simply to lose weight faster.

Many people say “but the diet works for me!” Well, of course it does, for awhile. Anyone that doesn’t eat more than 500-800 calories a day will lose weight, for awhile. They will see the scale dropping quickly, for awhile. They will slowly begin to see other problems cropping up. Hair loss, amenorrhea, dizziness, fainting, heart palpitations and other symptoms of malnutrition and dangerously rapid weight loss. Crack cocaine makes people lose weight quickly too, but you wouldn’t use that, would you?

Please, consider the information that is presented all over the web. Read the blogs. Read the forums. Do the research and discovered for yourself the truth that you so desperately need to know. Open your eyes and you will see.

Please do it now before it’s too late.

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September 18, 2007 at 6:03 pm

OddManOut

Have there been any responses from the current staff? I don’t expect them to speak out since they’re taking the lead from the boss herself, but there’s always a chance that one of them will break radio silence (and probably get banned haha).

Getting to Know Tippy Toes

One of the newest admins at Kimkins is Jeannie Baitinger, aka ‘Tippy Toes’ in the Kimkins forums and Low Carb Friends forums. For the purpose of keeping things simple here, we’ll refer to her as ‘Tippy’ throughout.

Tippy joined Low Carb Friends back in April 2004 when she started a low carbohydrate diet (Atkins) and weighed 263 pounds. Since that time she’s admittedly struggled to lose the weight desired and declared herself at goal on September 8, 2006 after losing 100 pounds. In the last year she’s maintained her weight between 150 and 155 pounds, alternating between Atkins and Kimkins. Why we make this an issue is that she recently wrote a positive 5 star review at the BBB for Kimkins, on September 7, 2007,

This is the BEST weight loss website I have been to yet! Thanks to Kimkins.com I have lost 112 lbs, have never been sick, got off blood pressure and cholesterol meds and I feel terrific! I have NEVER experienced anything but positive help from the site and I was NEVER told to use laxitives OR lower calories–ever.I cannot say enough good things about the website. I tried other weight loss plans and they did not work but that Kimkins sure did! And I have medical records and pictures to prove it. Just ask me for them.

Within the Low Carb Friends postings she’s made, it’s clear she did not follow Kimkins exclusively.
In fact, through her own posts at Low Carb Friends, we learn she lost 47 pounds following Atkins, stalled for six months, moved to South Beach, then Eat Fat Get Thin, then a Fruit Rotation regiment, then Kimkins, and then finally a rotation of Atkins and Kimkins.

Yet, in the above review she attributes her entire weight loss to Kimkins. This may well be because she was the featured weight loss success recently in the Kimkins newsletter (issue 20). In that feature she states she started with Atkins and then found Kimkins when her weight loss stalled, she was frustrated and “starving and felt terrible…I was desperate.” In that feature she also willingly states she alternates between Kimkins and Atkins. This fact is curious given Kimmer’s (Heidi Diaz) disdain for Atkins and its allowance for higher fat meats and dairy. When we review the situation, it is clearer why Kimmer is open to Tippy saying many of the things she does in her success story. Kimmer is losing staff left and right and needs to replace staffers fleeing her company and site. She knows one thing about Tippy, and that’s her long standing desire to be an Admin at Low Carb Friends, a position she is now more than willing to extend to Tippy now that she, Kimmer, is desperate.We recently learned that over the years Tippy has long desired a position of Admin at Low Carb Friends and has made this desire known to many close to her, including Kimmer prior to her departure from that forum.

Last year Tippy stirred up things on a weight loss challenge thread on Low Carb Friends by being very critical of the Low Carb Friends admins at the time. She made it known she believed she was qualified to be an Admin and when a position as one was not offered, she started passing along private information about the Low Carb Friends admins behind the scenes in emails and Private Messages in an attempt to turn them on each other. In those communications we are told she alluded to questionable behavior by the Low Carb Friends Admins at a pig roast in Tennessee she attended, allegations we will not detail here, but suffice to say included implications of inpropriety between Admins whom were not married to each other.

An attention junkie like Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) she spent months attempting to garner a position of Admin within Low Carb Friends to no avail, but her desire to be one continued.

As soon as Kimmer offered an Admin position to Tippy, she jumped at it and quickly told her friends, expressing her delight at the opportunity. We’re told she said she was thrilled by the “authority” Kimmer entrusted her with and also expressed a grand plan to completely revamp the Kimkins diet plans into something she believed would be healthier and much less objectionable to those concerned over the safety of the plans as currently written.

May we remind her she need only look as far as Becky to see such changes will not be tolerated by Kimmer. Read Becky’s Reasonable Appeal to make changes and Kimmer’s reply point by point.

What is more disturbing than her less than accurate BBB review however, is that she’s taken to doing Kimmer’s biding on Low Carb Friends. In a very recent post there, she laid the groundwork to instill doubts in the minds of those concerned about Kimkins and Kimmer by questioning not only the motivation of those engaging on the Facination thread, but also attempted to lay blame for the entire situation on one individual, former business partner Catherine (whose husband is releasing details of that partnership at Slamboard).

Her post, titled Are We Being Used, includes the following,

Just a thought. Notice the person who started this thread is a junior member (meaning newly registered) and does not continue to post? Notice so many junior members coming in now? It is easy to assume they are from Kimkins site BUT I wonder about the truth in that assumption for many reasons. One, I recall Catherine telling X LCF members how easily identity can change so they could come back without admins knowing it was them… Cutie–remember that? Two, I notice the junior members seem computer savvy enough to post info and pics I would not have a clue about myself… Now I am not saying every single junior member here is ficticious. But I think many may be. Tom, can you check out this possibility?Is it possible this whole thing has been created by the ex biz partner, who is clearly mad as heck? Also, keep in mind it is the same creator of slamboards and…perhaps Ducky? Oddly enough, Catherine admits it was her idea to start a website for Kimkins–not Kimmers. So I don’t think Kimmer spent countless hours here plotting but I think Catherine did. Also, Catherine just thought Kimkins was a wonderful plan and fully endorsed and followed it, according to her. Until the partnership disolved, that is. Now it can kill you…WTH?

And the Kimkins survivors blogs… Are they real? How do we know? And the 14 year old–was that real?
The threats to anyone who is a moderator for her site–threats of fraud and lawsuits… A bully tactic for sure to intimidate them into walking out. The claims of KimATC being 50 lbs over weight…How rude was that, asking her how that Kimkins diet was working out? In fact, that statement points that Kimkins doesn’t work and we have established it does. We all have weight problems which is why we diet. The pressure is on–but by whom? The reasons seem pretty obvious.

Don’t get me wrong. I KNOW there are some of those people here in a genuine manner. I know a couple of you from her site and I know you had concerns (even if you are ALL at goal now thanks to her diet). I do not agree with cutting calories further in the event of a stall either. But perhaps Kimmer was in the learning process herself and it was a bad decision, or mistake. And maybe Kimmer did gain weight back and won’t tell. Take a good look around this site. How many people have gained their weight back and refuse to remove the skinny avitor pics and change stats accordingly? I think many of us are guilty for that.

Are we all puppets on a string being manipulated by a raging X partner?

We know in the past Kimmer has taken to manipulating situations to motivate individuals to do things they might not do on their own. An example of such behaviour in the past is the January 2007 blog by Jimmy Moore, where he attacked Low Carb Friends and did so in a scathing and vicious manner. He’s since retracted that post, but our memory is long here and we’ve been told that Kimmer’s input was indeed the impetus for that post.

It’s interesting that many of the points Tippy brought to her post at Low Carb Friends are now the same points Kimmer is trying deperately to convince her members of within the Kimkins forums. It appears much of Tippy’s post contents were scripted by Kimmer. Tippy seems unaware of the manipulative instincts of Kimmer and may not realize how she too is now being used by her as a means to an end.We ask this, Tippy how could you associate yourself with Kimmer given all the facts now in the public view?

EDITED TO ADD
We’d like to remind readers that this is the same Tippy Toes who organized the fundraiser for Kimmer’s (Heidi Diaz) phantom foster children last summer. Tippy accepted the position of Admin after revelation of the fact Heidi Diaz has no foster children and has not had foster children in her care since at least 2000.

Kimkins Members Attack Child on Kimkins Forum

In an update following the dangerous advice to the 14 year old girl within the Kimkins website (clearly contrary to Heidi Diaz’s claim that teens are not allowed in her site), the teen posted that she’s doing better, eating more calories and seeking advice for health outside the Kimkins site. In what can only be described as a viscious attack on this child, members were quick to reply with the following, and keep in mind these are adults replying to a child,

OSusana: Glad you lost the weight on KIMKINS…. You didn’t LOSE iT eating bananas and bread, peanut butter and oatmeal…
You lost it following Kimkins…. Good for you… We are here to lose weight just like you did…. DOING KIMKINS…. why on EARTH would we want to break away and go eat bananas
and all the other carbs that made us fat….?

Surley you jest…. pffftttt…

.o.. go eat your peanut butter and banana sandwiches….

Another adult, who appears to know this is a child, replies,

this topic you created called its NOT over…. we ADULTS know how to eat well and HOW to encorportate other types of food back in our lives in moderation, we also know how to see our medical doctor for any concerns and we adults know how to take our multi-vitamins daily.. It’s NOT about the food, its about how you live your LIFE. I am happy that you lost the weight and then created a plan that is good for YOU.

Kimmers way of eating has saved thousands if not millions of lives and WE LOVE KIMMER and protect her from people like YOU.

so please go about your merry way and take your ass on!

The thread has since been deleted, but email verifications of its existence and all posts made remain. Amazing how adults treated this child, isn’t it?

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September 7, 2007 at 3:53 pm

Kim

How could anybody do this to a child? Let alone a child who is obviously reaching out for help. My guess is, the 14 year old probably got banned too.

September 7, 2007 at 4:22 pm

kkatastrophediet

Yes and apparently I was banned over this thread for informing the obnoxious posters that it was a 14 year old–rethink your posts.
I also told the girl Congrats and she should start her own blog, with permission of course.
Definitely a reason to be banned from a site I PAID FOR. Thread’s gone but I have screen shots, so, it’s not forgotten…

September 7, 2007 at 4:26 pm

OddManOut

“Kimmers way of eating has saved thousands if not millions of lives and WE LOVE KIMMER and protect her from people like YOU.”

I’d like to see the statistics to back that claim. After they’re finished genuflecting.

September 7, 2007 at 4:26 pm

kkatastrophediet

And, another thing–the posters claimed not to know it was a 14 year old, and that she should let someone know. How about we do two things:
1) Don’t allow minors to remain members by refunding their money and blocking them AND
2) You posters (you know who you are) should not speak to anyone that way–what makes you think it is okay if it is a grown up? Open mouth insert FOOT.

September 8, 2007 at 7:26 pm

osuzana

My comment is THIS!

I made the comment to the poster, not knowing she was a 14 year old… HOW would anyone know that?

and Don’t you dare chastize me about how a person should address another adult on this issue… You all created this heat…at LCF
I have been to the LCF and read the horrible way peolpe over there referred to the people on the Kimkins web site…

We were “brainwashed” idiots who were drinking “the kool aid”
nice huh?

These are Outrageous statements, and there were many, many more..

My comments to this so called 14 year old were justified… after SHE made comments about how she lost the weight successfully while ON Kimkins,

and then turned around urging everyone to get out while we can… and then wondering if she would get banned because of it??

I was defending the web site and the plan…it works…she just admitted that!
And you bet, there are a lot of people on edge at that web site…so of course we will defend it, and since there was no way of knowing she was 14 we defended it as though she were any other of the adult moles in there spying stealing peoples posts, and spreading BAD AIR, and urging people to defect.

I simply told her to go eat her peanut butter and banana sandwiches, after SHE JUST GOT DONE BRAGGING in that very post that was WHAT SHE WAS eating! although not in that order…

I am so SICK of seeing half truths about this diet.
WE DON”T CARE ABOUT KIMMER…..we are there to lose weight, can’t you GET that?
I don’t want to have coffee with her, or see if she pays her taxes.

many of you have NOT even done the plan, so how would you know?
and most of you ignore the fact, that this plan WORKS!!!

and you ignore the fact that many did not join the web site to sit with kimmer…whomever she is…. WE DON’T CARE!!!

The web site is “us” the people who enjoy being there!
We have formed a wonderful community there, it is the people on the web site that make the web site what is is … not Kimmer..

Now that it is invaded by LCF worms it is very hard to be there anymore.
and that is sad…

Let me ask you this… when you joined LCF…did you join it for TOM? or for the community support?
I joined LCF for the support and when I joined I didn’t even know WHO Tom was …nor did I care.

I’m beginning to care tho’ because of the blood thirsty lynch mob his site has spawned… what is going on there, is no better than what kimkins is being accused of… ruthlessness on both sides..its sick!

I have read posts on LCF stating how horrible the Kimkins site is because of her deleting posts and banning people, and reading PM’s

ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? SERIOUSLY????
I think she learned how to do that FROM LCF. What a joke!
WHAT A JOKE! Are you all forgetting something??
LCF was the forerunner of Kimkins… she got good training.

It’s time LCF looks in its own back yard and cleans it up, before it goes any further launching vendettas against someone else!

I am leaving Kimkins… Not because of anything that the community there has done…
but because of the underhanded deviousness that LCF has allowed to happen there.. when I post something and then see it elsewhere and only with half the truth, then I consider that deviousness, and just outrageous…

when you have to go STEALING peoples posts and twist them to your own way of thinking, or not state the whole truth, wellll… then something is just messed up!

Don’t have enough ammunition for your hate vendetta?… OK go dig some up and twist it your way… NICE!

as FOR THE 14 YEAR OLD…I AM SORRY TO HAVE OFFENDED HER… not my intent to a 14 year old… that is NOT who I am.
But she wrote what she wrote…and are you all saying a 14 year old can’t think abnd write what she feels because she is 14?… hogwash!
I knew what I was doing at that age. 14 year olds are NOT stupid!

Stop looking for excuses to fly your evil plane… stop using a 14 year old to keep your hate crusade going .
Get over it!

You need to know I am not defending Kimmer…. I am defending my post over there, and the GOOd people on that web site!

——————–

Thank you for stopping by. You’ve spectacularly shown the world exactly the type of person you are. Bravo!

September 8, 2007 at 10:17 pm

osuzana

Thank you for stopping by. You’ve spectacularly shown the world exactly the type of person you are. Bravo!

You are so very welcome!…
perhaps I have shown the world that there are 2 sides to every story… and exposing, and explaining, something that is misleading is the RIGHT thing to do!

The “Sensationalism” in this headline is VERY misleading, It reads like a rag sheet ……like the National Enquirer….
NO ONE “ATTACKED A CHILD” tell the WHOLE true story… (yeah right)!

September 9, 2007 at 1:02 am

kkatastrophediet

It was Kimmer’s responsibility to block her access, per her stated “policy” as soon as she knew she was a teen. Instead she advised her she didn’t need anymore calories, KNOWING FULL WELL it was a teen. You don’t care who Kimmer is? Many members don’t. What does that say? There are MANY good people on that website, and thanks to the fact that I tried to let you and others know it was a 14 year old girl, in a non-confrontational way, I might add, I WAS BANNED. Were you? I was on that site for a year, and it is an awesome place for support. Unfortunately it is also a place where teens are told to not eat more (true, whether you want to admit it or not), where people are manipulated (you’ve seen Becky’s blog, right?) and where the owner is involved in shady business practices. If you are not defending Kimmer, does it really matter what address is on your screen and where your support comes from? No, if you’re not defending Kimmer, it shouldn’t.

September 9, 2007 at 1:17 am

GinaC at LCF

Good thing you don’t ‘CARE ABOUT KIMMER’ cause apparently Kimmer don’t care about you. Don’t believe me? Go read Becky’s latest!

September 9, 2007 at 1:27 am

graciej

Hi Osuzana,

Just wanted to let you know that I posted your comments at ALC, not LCF. I posted the whole thing. I didn’t twist it. How was it “half truth”? They were your words.

I find it hard to believe that you didn’t know that she is 14 because she has been a topic of much discussion on this blog and lcf for the last few weeks. But even giving you the benefit of the doubt that you didn’t know she is 14, there is no excuse for that type of post directed at anyone. It was rude, period. But really, it was typical for you.

I have done kimkins. I have experienced the negative side effects that have been discussed here and elsewhere. I will continue to shine the light on the inside goings on of kimkins.com until that site no longer exists.

September 9, 2007 at 1:31 am

mariasol

How would you NOT know that she was 14? She had her pics in her signature (the same ones that have been posted all over the internet by now) AND there is that little button under her name that shows her birthdate when you click on it. This girl never hid her age on the board.

September 9, 2007 at 1:45 am

Karen

So, Osuzana…you don’t care that Kimmer sells her website and her diet plan based on her own success with it….even though that success has been proved to be a lie?? Have you read the blogs about Kimmer? Do you see all her lies? The lies she has been telling for years? And that honestly doesn’t bother you???
I really can’t understand that mindset.

September 9, 2007 at 1:56 am

Kimkins Dangers

So.. you’re all so close over there, such a great bonded community, so tight knit and loving and all that.. but you didn’t know that regular poster (who WE all knew) was a teen? Riiiiiiight.

September 9, 2007 at 2:31 am

Kimmerexia

osuzana freaks out: “We were “brainwashed” idiots who were drinking “the kool aid”
nice huh?”

That’s “brainwashed idiots who were drinking the SUGAR-FREE Kool-Aid,” hun.

Diet Coke flavored. That way it’s even allowed during extended periods of fasting and laxative abuse.

September 9, 2007 at 7:17 am

kkatastrophediet

Were you banned? Let us know! List being compiled at
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September 9, 2007 at 2:21 pm

ban kimmer

Again I maintain WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU? Every kimmeroonie supporter is so angry and ugly when posting. Sorry that some of us found fault in the way you spoke to the teen. Let me make it easier on you, I don’t care if you were talking to a kid or adult your post was juvenile! Go eat your peanut buter sandwich? That’s so stupid. You sound like the fat kid at the playground picking on all the other fat kids.

We, the people who actually care about people haven’t even made those fat joke comments to your leader as we have all been there done that at some time.

Why is it ok for you to make ugly comments like that?

Because you are just as bad as her. You don’t care about anyone but yourself, and you don’t care about anything but the diet working.

Well punkin I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again….the diet does work, so does crank, heroin and tape worms but no one is touting useing those are they? DUH! Of course if you stop eating and drink only water or diet coke you’ll lose weight a retarded monkey could have figured that out. What you need to understand is you are doing damage to your metabolism.

But don’t think about that now. And when you are 40 yrs old and you can’t lose all the weight you will gain back let’s see who’s hurling fat jokes then ok? Sheesh!

September 10, 2007 at 1:22 pm

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October 3, 2007 at 7:33 pm

schemingturkey

hey everyone,

i just joined and wanted to say hi.

October 19, 2007 at 6:44 pm

hollywoodheidi

Hi! I just found this forum and it looks really cool.

Now, I gotta run off and read some posts.

October 25, 2007 at 2:01 pm

Speajepireeld

What’s Up?,

I’m just starting here. And it feels like an awesome forum.

I just wanted to give a nice hello to all of you here.

-Dana

November 14, 2007 at 11:14 am

keydaytaf

Hello
I’ve just registered at the forum. This is my first message.
Please don’t become angry about me.
Thank you.

January 3, 2008 at 1:22 am

WhereistheLOVE

osuzana’s comments, her demeanor and energy in general is what perpetuates the stereotype that women are “catty”.

April 11, 2008 at 4:52 am

upliftist

Hello my friends

Kimkins Imploding from Within

Members are slowly coming to realize the deception.

A member wrote:
I just read on Christin’s blog that she had health problems from the woe.   She told everyone she was given a clean bill of health.  I guess that ws after she was treated for the problems?

Another just replied:
Im not sure if it was Christin that said she got a clean bill of health or those were Kimmers words.
Nevertheless the truth is coming out about this plan.
Of course we all want to lose weight
Of course we want to lose it fast
But long term damage to your health wasnt listed as one of the side effects when i signed up
Of course your going to lose weight only eating 500 calories a day ….duh
The real Kimmer needs to show herself as she is not who she says she is
She had her stomach stapled many moons ago to lose weight
And has since regained it all plus some
they’ve found out the truth
Stay tuned to the news and magazines…….

Kimkins, Not Safe for Diabetics, as per TOS

Kkatastrophediet posted today about the changes to the Kimkins site Terms of Service. Within the change is a notable warning,

This program should not be attempted by anyone with the following conditions without prior approval from their physician: pregnant or nursing mothers, patients with history of gout, kidney failure or disease, gallbladder issues, those under the age of 18 and those with blood glucose issues such as diabetes or hypoglycemia. The content relayed on Kimkins.com is not to be interpreted as advocating the self-management of your medical condition(s) or those of your family.

Contrast that with the promotional page ‘Thinking About Kimkins?’ that lures the unsuspecting with the following bold statement,

Is Kimkins good for diabetics? Kimkins is perfect for all diabetics!

It appears Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) will say anything to convince those reading her promotional material to sign up and pay her $60, even if it means potentially compromising the health of someone with diabetes. How shameful.

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September 4, 2007 at 3:36 pm

Concerned about kimkins

Bla bla bla “don’t sue me.” Bla bla bla “don’t tell anyone what I told you.” Bla bla bla “pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.” Wtf ever. Wow…someone is really good at slide of hand!

Don’t forget Kimmeroonie, you said it was good for diabetics on your pod cast.

September 4, 2007 at 3:57 pm

Kimkins Dangers

Kimmeroonie, lol.

The “safe for all diabetics” issue is one that I have been very upset with from the beginning. Now suddenly her tos is changed and if you read the entire post at the Kkatastrophe blog, you’ll see how many times it says “WE ARE NOT LIABLE FOR ANYTHING BAD THINGS THAT HAPPEN TO YOU ON THIS DIET”.

If the diet is so great, so healthy, so wonderful, why would they need to say that?

September 4, 2007 at 4:06 pm

Concerned about kimkins

Uh….let me expound….that would be because kimmeroonie is staring at the business end of a class action lawsuit. Woops!

September 4, 2007 at 4:20 pm

Healthy LCer

This is still on her home page:

And, Kimkins is the perfect diet for type 1 and 2 diabetics! Our program offers superior blood sugar control. In fact, many type 2 diabetes members get off their meds like Glucophage and Metformin!

September 4, 2007 at 4:46 pm

Laura

A disclaimer does not absolve you if you continue to make statements saying the opposite. Her promotion and terms of service/disclaimer are not aligned, thus she remains open to liability!

September 4, 2007 at 4:49 pm

ooBoo

Kimmer is way open to liability, she knows it and pretends it’s not there. I seriously hope her members initiate a class action suit soon, they have cause and should take the opportunity while the irons are hot, hot, hot!

September 4, 2007 at 4:58 pm

Concerned about kimkins

Yup and don’t forget that she’s been dumb enough to record her claims for all posterity on Jimmy’s pod cast. Good thinking! All it takes is a first year law student and someone’s out of business and refuinding all of her clients money. )

September 4, 2007 at 5:36 pm

LisaLC

“Yup and don’t forget that she’s been dumb enough to record her claims for all posterity on Jimmy’s pod cast. Good thinking! All it takes is a first year law student and someone’s out of business and refuinding all of her clients money. )”

IF that was her. How do we know? What prevents her from saying it was someone else posing as her? It was just a voice recording, after all. She has woven a tangled web, for sure. I can hardly wait until this whole thing is blown wide open.

September 5, 2007 at 3:32 am

ban kimmer

Oh trust me, if it gets to a court phase, they are going to do all they can to prove that it was her, including but not limited to finding out how Jimmy contacted her to make arrangements, what phone number was used, what email to set it up. It will be substantiated. And the SSKimmer will be sunk.

Kimmer Still Using Deni & Christin!

With the sudden yet vocal departure of both Christin and Deni yesterday, you’d think the Kimkins webmaster would be busy updating the site to reflect the changes. As of this writing, the site still maintains on the Meet Your Team page that Christin is Media & Public Relations Director.

The homepage continues to use Christin as a feature selling point for membership, boasting she lost weight and was on the cover of Woman’s World magazine. Christin pointedly remarked yesterday on her own blog that she experienced serious side effects from the dietary regimen.

Yet, even today after all that has happened, Kimmer keeps her own version of the story intact on her blog, bragging about the ‘clean bill of health’ Christin was said to have gotten after losing the weight.

On the homepage, Kimmer continues to spotlight Deni, who lost weight too, despite the fact that Deni is no longer associated with Kimkins or singing its praises anymore.

What part of Deni’s statement about Kimmer’s lack of intergrity did she not understand?

In case you haven’t figured it out yet.. I am leaving Kimkins. I am leaving because I have learned some things that make me doubt the integrity of the founder, and because I have been used for purposes that go against my personality, my moral, and my conscience.

What part of Christin’s complete scrubbing of her blog of all promotion linked to Kimkins did Kimmer miss? Kimmer arrogantly declared these women, and Becky, left because of pressure from blogs like this one. Yet if and when you read their own testimony as to their reasons for leaving, none of the blogs highlighting the issues of Kimkins diet are mentioned. No, not one word is explicit or implicit that we bloggers were the reason these women left. They didn’t leave because of external pressures by us bloggers. They left because they came to see Kimmer as she is!

The one thing clearly stated is the problem was and is Kimmer (Heidi Diaz)!

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September 4, 2007 at 5:51 pm

ooBoo

Kimmer really does think she’s above reproach. She’s in for a big surprise when it all falls down though.

September 4, 2007 at 5:52 pm

theTRUTH

I have received communications today from one of these three and one thing they would like to express is that they were not forced out due to pressure from these blogs or comments on LCF. They left (and were subsequently locked out from the site) due to the reasons they specifically state and/or will state (or not – up to them really), not the reasons stated by Kimmer and not due to any bloggers or other forum attacks or pressures. In fact, the outside pressures to leave made it harder to do so, to avoid the appearance of caving under the pressure. Kimmer was (is) the problem, and from reading their comments (aside from Christin’s two correctable issues), even the diet didn’t have anything to do with it.

September 4, 2007 at 6:38 pm

kkatastrophediet

“and were subsequently locked out from the site”

WHAT??????? And she continues to use their images? !!!!?????!!!!!! I really have no words….

September 4, 2007 at 6:40 pm

Braveheart

I’m not surprised. Kimmer is going to continue on with business as usual, even as everything falls apart over there. I just hope those within start to see the writing on the wall and get out NOW!

September 4, 2007 at 7:09 pm

Musictomyears

Christin, for weeks, tried to get answers to her satisfaction from Kimmer, to no avail. Finally Kimmer locked her out of the site and basically fired her, then begged her back, then locked her out again due to irreconcilable differences (like Becky).

Really makes you wonder, doesn’t it? How is it that two very prominent moderators and superstars within Kimkins are FIRED for asking questions and then Kimmer runs around the site acting like all is well and dandy.

All is NOT well and dandy. Kimmer is scared. She’s paranoid now. She’s got admins watching each other. She’s got members spying on other members. She has admins spying on members. She’s spying on members and it’s all crazy!

Becky, Deni and Christin questioned the great Oz and anyone else who does the same has the primer in front of them – you’ll be fired/banned/locked out. You cannot cross Kimmer and stay. Period.

September 4, 2007 at 7:44 pm

Mimi

Dear Ducky, someone says you are in reality Jimmy Moore. Oh Ducky, say it ain’t so!

——————-

It ain’t so!

September 4, 2007 at 8:07 pm

Christin Fired From Kimkins for Asking Questions About Kimmer? » Kimkins Controversy

[…] A comment on Kimkins Exposed: Christin, for weeks, tried to get answers to her satisfaction from Kimmer, to no avail. Finally Kimmer locked her out of the site and basically fired her, then begged her back, then locked her out again due to irreconcilable differences (like Becky). […]

September 4, 2007 at 11:07 pm

Sue

Kimmer, really is a piece of work – that woman has nerves of steel. Acutally she probably hasn’t got a conscience so doesn’t give a shit.
Becky, Deni and Christin I am glad you got out but you must make it perfectly clear why you left so new members don’t get sucked into Kimkins. The post questioning if Christin and Deni are gone too is now locked and will soon be deleted. Most of the members just all carry on as normal!

September 5, 2007 at 3:18 am

ban kimmer

Good then everyone will leave. I am also questioning the new admin on the site…that answer about the hair falling out sounded a little to much like kimmiepie for me to swallow. Again…when the posts are on the defensive and not at all helpful…you can bet it’s the guru.

Also…does anyone know if Cristin will speak to WW about a retraction? Or at least a warning?

September 5, 2007 at 2:59 pm

Kim

I would love to see Christin do a retraction…and I bet WW would be willing to consider it. WW seems to be a pretty solid magazine that doesn’t play too much into fad dieting or unhealthy WOE.

My log in is still working, but I’m sure when my complaint gets to Kimmer I’ll be locked out. I filed with the BBB so we’ll see what happens with that. I signed up with it was still $39.95 and the e-book was promised, so my complaint stated I never got everything I was promised. We all know that book is not even mentioned on the site anymore and will never be again. It’s not about the money as much as it is to get a message across to Kimmer that she won’t keep getting away with this.

Is Becky Banned from Kimkins?

Earlier today, Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) insisted that

“Becky’s decisions are her own which is why I took offense at anyone prying for details. My last word is that Becky is not banned. It was her request to no longer be moderator. She logs in nearly every day and chooses not to post. Her reasons are her own and it’s not our business.”

However a new site, Kkatastrophediet’s Weblog, created by a Kimkins member (and perhaps a staffer with access to server logs?) insists,

It has been said that Becky is not banned.

I know different. LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE. All of you who think everyone showing dissention is a mole, it is time to wake UP.

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August 28, 2007 at 4:50 pm

Obo

Becky is definitely banned…there is no way she’d log in (as claimed by Kimmer) and not at least reply on the thread asking if she’s okay, especially since her grandson has been sick….she knows members would worry, so she’d at least post SOMETHING.

It’s not the first time a previous staff member was banned….Cutie, Kiki….they were banned for discussing something in PRIVATE MESSAGES that Kimmer read. Talk about LOW!

August 28, 2007 at 6:45 pm

LCer

Oh course she’s banned; or her password changed so same thing. Kimmer NEVER let’s someone in disagreement with her have access to the site again….way too many ways they could make her look bad!

August 28, 2007 at 8:23 pm

Megan

Amy (Curlygirl) was a moderator too (she posts still on LCF) and she’s now gone and no longer moderating either.

Looks like Kimmer is losing lots of people at once lately – who’s next?

——————–

Our understanding is that Amy is no longer an admin, but is still a member and posting as one within the Kimkins site. Thanks for the information though! We appreciate it.

August 29, 2007 at 10:38 am

Becky (Littlebit) Update — Banned from Kimkins? » Kimkins Controversy

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August 30, 2007 at 12:21 am

anonymous

New admin to replace Becky: Gary “lasttime4me”, joined 06-01-07, lost 70 lbs so far, fitday link:
http://www.fitday.com/WebFit/PublicJournals.html?Owner=%7Elasttime4me%7E
Was offered to another member who accepted, then reconsidered, citing other obligations…
don’t really want this to be a comment, but thought you might find this interesting–seems as if anyone qualifies as a moderator now a days…feel sorry for the guy–he’s unaware of what he’s getting into….

August 30, 2007 at 2:02 pm

theTRUTH

theTRUTH shall set you free. As I said on KKatastrophediet comments: Becky is banned, locked out, whatever you want to call it. I can independently confirm this as fact; confirming Kimmer is a liar, as if you already didn’t know.

August 30, 2007 at 2:06 pm

theTRUTH

There are a LOT of new Admins as of a few days ago. Cut them some slack. They know not what they do, and are as fooled as everyone else is/was (including Becky). Just proxy’s to take hit for Kimmer. Obviously I need to stay anonymous and can’t post my thoughts on the inside.

August 30, 2007 at 2:52 pm

theTRUTH

from KKatastrophediet today:

WHO HEARS HORSES????

Becky was banned. She says: “I posted my email address on the site a few weeks ago, the first time my password quit working, in case I ever disappeared suddenly. If that cannot be found, I can always be reached here.”

Told you. Who’s the liar? Plain and simple. If she lies about this, what else does she lie about? Horses, people. Horses!

August 30, 2007 at 3:54 pm

lovinlowcarb

Becky is giving a lot of information in her comments on her blog posts…it’s obvious that Kimmer is lying, but that’s no surprise, really.

The Tangled Web at Kimkins

Kimkins Dangers reported the recent departure of long-term staff member Becky (Littlebit) yesterday, whose introductory biography disappeared from the ‘Meet Your Team’ page over the weekend. The disappearing act followed two weeks of silence from Becky on the site, no new posts and no replies to member queries.

Yesterday it was apparent, even without any word from the site management, that Becky was no longer associated with Kimkins. Her blog was scrubbed of all affiliate links, her Daily Plate was locked and almost all references to Kimkins removed from posts on her blog.

One question remained unanswered, why did Becky leave Kimkins?

Yesterday, when a thread appeared in the Kimkins Cafe forum asking if Littlebit was okay, Christin explained,

“Kimmer said that Becky (Littlebit) is taking a break and starting a family business, but we hope that she’ll be back to post soon!”

Dissatisfied with that reply some members pushed for the ‘real reason’ Becky left, and late last night Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) stepped up to answer, after confirming that Becky was paid staff, Kimmer went on to say,

“She and I had differences about how the website should be run. She was concerned that her comments as a moderator could leave her vulnerable to liability of some sort. She requested to be removed as moderator a few days ago, although she stopped posting and answering emails several weeks ago.”

Keen eyes noticed within minutes that reply was edited, removing the hint of Becky’s concern over liability, and a member called Kimmer on the revision,

“Kimmer, you above post originally had this sentence in it:
She was concerned that her comments as a moderator could leave her vulnerable to liability of some sort.

But then you removed it!! I think Becky is concerned about the low calorie and low fat aspect of kimkins and that’s why she left.”

To which Kimmer replied curtly,

“You’re right. She is concerned about being legal liability.”

A member pressed on,

“So what did she tell you was her concern?”

Keep in mind, this member has paid Kimmer for her membership as have others within the site. Members paid subscriptions pay the salaries of those on staff and without members no one would be paid. So, members do indeed have a right to ask questions of those they are paying! Yet, Kimmer shut down the member with one short sentence,

“To be honest, you’re bordering on rude.”

Other members and paid moderators swiftly stepped in to defend Kimmer and effectively shut down any continuation of the discussion along the lines of legal liabilites, literally attacking the member who dared to ask questions.

At this point, this morning, the thread is filling with ‘feel good’ let’s all be nice to each other and remain positive type posts.

One critical question must be asked, in Becky’s departure, who lied to members?

Christin initially stepped up to say Becky left to start a new family business. She stated this was what Kimmer told her. Kimmer however candidly offered up the explanation that Becky was concerned about her vulnerability as a paid staff member, thus resigned her position to avoid potential legal liability, with no hint of starting a business or anything else as part of her reason for leaving.

So, did Christin lie to members by offering a benign reason to explain Becky’s departure, even though she was aware of the real reason, or did Kimmer initially lie to Christin who simply repeated the lie she was first told?

If Christin simply repeated what she was told, how does she now feel knowing she was lied to, and then left lying to members with Kimmer’s made-up excuse to her?

If Christin did know the real reason and simply put forward something that sounded better than the truth, how do members feel being lied to?

How do members within Kimkins feel about one of the two, or both Kimmer and Christin lying to them when they’ve paid for a membership subscription, and as such deserve to know what’s happening?

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August 28, 2007 at 3:47 pm

Joanne

Lookie what I found:

http://kkatastrophediet.wordpress.com/2007/08/28/the-last-word/

August 28, 2007 at 3:58 pm

Kimkins Dangers

We have now heard, but not verified yet, that Becky was actually banned from the site.

As with other people who “left” but were actually banned, the kimkins site administrator left their profiles visible with post count, etc, to make it “appear” as though they were online from time to time.

August 28, 2007 at 4:52 pm

Obo

A lot of people are suggesting that those who are “rocking the boat” and asking the wrong questions might be moles…..My thoughts….those who are so vehement in their ass-kissing to Kimmer, they’re the moles! A mole isn’t going to rock the proverbial boat, but someone like OSusana or Vernswifevickie – they’re so far up Kimmer’s butt, she couldn’t see if they were moles or not! Not saying those two are, but a mole is usually someone who really tries hard to portray loyalty and isn’t going to jeopardize their access by rocking the boat is all I’m saying!

August 28, 2007 at 4:54 pm

LCer

So typically Kimmer!

Gotta keep the “Negative Nancies” from saying anything, no negativity ladies….you won’t lose weight if you’re negative! As if concern, questions or the like is going to hinder weight loss. How unreal!

If I were Christin and Kimmer lied to me and I then wound up lying to the members, I’d be royally pissed. If Christin willfully lied for Kimmer and I was a member, I’d be royally pissed.

August 28, 2007 at 5:01 pm

gracie

Notably, Cutie last “logged” into her kimkins account on July 15 but we know Cutie was banned back in April. So there’s evidence of Kimmer faking log ins of banned members.

August 28, 2007 at 5:42 pm

fancypants

Most likely, she didn’t ban any of them, but just changed their passwords so that she could control their accounts. And read their PMs. Or post as them.

August 28, 2007 at 8:19 pm

Josh

Oh what a tangled web kimmer weaves!

August 30, 2007 at 4:29 pm

The Meet-up That Wasn’t « Kimkins Exposed

[...] the recent departure of the beloved moderator Becky, how long until others begin to jump the sinking ship called [...]

Kimmer not CASA

For quite some time now, the page with information detailing biographies of the Kimkins staff has been available to anyone visiting the site. The biography for Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) states:

Kimmer lost an amazing 198 pounds in 11 months and shared her simple secret with thousands of overweight people in various internet forums for over 5 years. In March 2006 Kimkins.com was born to facilitate spreading the word that there’s a faster way to lose weight than with traditional diets. Kimmer personally answers weight loss questions from members in the “Kimkins Cafe” forum. She earned a graduate degree in Public Administration and serves as a volunteer Court Appointed Special Advocate (CASA) for abused children.

Last week, Kimkins Dangers reported that Kimmer may not be a CASA, when they posted about information received that included “I think it’s also noteworthy that Heidi is still claiming to be a C.A.S.A. volunteer for the Riverside County courts system — but according to an administrative contact who remembers her, Heidi was a volunteer “several years ago”

Today, Kimkins Dangers has verified that Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) is not a CASA and has not been for quite some time.

They included contact information for “anyone [who] has any information as to monies sent to Kimmer for foster children (address where checks were sent, paypal account names, check endorsements [who signed the check and cashed it?]) and any other relevant info, please contact Barbara [Riverside CASA] here:

Program: Riverside Satellite
Contact Name: Barbara Hofman, Site Manager
Address: 9991 County Farm Road
City: Riverside
State: California
Zip Code: 92503
Phone: (951) 358-4305

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August 27, 2007 at 7:24 pm

Fluffer Nutter

FRAUD FRAUD FRAUD – I hope they send her to jail!

One Week, One Day, Teen Advised to go to Mother & Doctor

It took one week and one day, but finally, today, an adult member of the Kimkins site set aside the risk of being banned with no refund and did the right thing, she advised the teenager being cheered by other members, site administrators and Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) herself:

I am just worried about the low calories and extreme low fat for you at your age. I have a daughter who is 14, too, and I (and our doctor) would not want her to eat such a low calorie and low fat diet. I hope you will take the diet to your mother, father, and/or doctor and go over it with them. You need to be monitored by a doctor when you are so young and losing so much weight. You also might want to consider losing the rest of this weight more slowly and with more fat and calories.

I did not like people to tell me what to do when I was 14–I still don’t! And no one wants to have someone rain on their parade, but, but, but, I would not be able to live with myself if all I did was congratulate you on your success in self-control without pointing out the risks and suggesting that you involve your parents and doctor. Your self-control and maturity could be exercised just as well on an appropriate diet for a young woman your age.

Courage!

It takes just one person with the courage to stand up and do the right thing!

Ducky applauds you!

Kimkins Trickle Down Theory of Weight Loss

With Kimmer a tad busy, it seems members are jumping in to offer advice to each other. This might be a good thing if the starvation concepts advanced by Kimmer didn’t seep down deep into those following the diet.

A member recently asked for help on the Ask Kimmer thread:

…stayed on the diet for five days and not lost a pound so I gave up. Hard to stick to something that is not working for me….eveny just a 1/2 pound would have been nice. My fit day is public so if anyone wants to look at it, feel free. I hope someone can help and maybe I will feel excited about starting again. Thanks to anyone who will try…

After someone suggested a public fitday to review, the member complied, and sure enough, other members were at the ready to give advice.

Before we look at the advice, the member’s fitday clearly shows that

8/13
518 calories
13 grams carbohydrate

8/14
938 calories
16 grams carbohydrate

8/15
608 calories
18 grams carbohydrate

8/16
488 calories
19 grams carbohydrate

8/17
254 calories
6 grams carbohydrate

Guess what advice they received?

You use a lot of cream – this might satisfy your coffee with cream in the morning – it does mine!

Please review the veggies you’re eating with the Kimkins Grocery list. When I started I counted the carbs and stayed under 20 per day – I now stay under 10 per day.

Hope this helps!

The plan works – now you have to work the plan.

Then there was this gem:

I’m not Kimmer either but and no where near my goal but your veggies are too high. You can only have 2 cups of the list one and 1 cup of list two or 3 cups of list one. You show you’ve gone over on most days. Also, no regular creamer if that’s the kind you’re using. Drizz has good advice too. Also, there were a couple of days you didn’t list…..so not sure if you went over on those days or just didn’t write stuff down. Beef also stalls me terribly, which is a shame because I love beef and can only tolerate the rest of the choice.

If you go back to the food list and really follow it, I think you’ll find you’ll do just great. Please hang in there, you are so worth it!

Notice no one said anything about the erratic and very low calorie intake? With a five day calorie average hovering around 500 calories, the problem is too many vegetables and cream, even though this member is remaining within the 20 grams of carbohydrate supposedly allowed on the diet?

Yes, what we see here is the trickle down theory of Kimkins weight loss advice.

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August 24, 2007 at 4:17 pm

Trish

Holy crap, I eat more calories in a MEAL than these people eat all day.

August 24, 2007 at 4:20 pm

Maggie

This is the insanity that is Kimkins. First it was Kimmer giving this type of dangerous advice, now it’s those who took her advice and ran with it giving it to others.

It’s like that old shampoo commerical, they tell two friends, and they tell two friends, and so on and so on…

Sick, really!

August 24, 2007 at 4:22 pm

KimkinsSUCKS

O M G

Kimmer really has warped people in how they think about food and calories. Now her members are giving out the same advice she used to and telling those already at dangerously low calories to eat even less.

August 24, 2007 at 4:25 pm

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August 24, 2007 at 4:29 pm

Dont Do Kimkins

If this doesn’t show people how Kimmer infects your mind, I don’t know what will.

August 24, 2007 at 4:30 pm

Josh

Wow, Kimmer keeps on hurting people, first by convincing them to starve, and now by them going around spewing her crappy advice as if it were gospel. How could none of these people see this person is eating so low for calories already?

August 24, 2007 at 6:01 pm

Marissa

Ducky, someone read your post here and actually told the person above to eat more calories! Not sure how long it will last on Kimkins site, or how quickly others will shoot it down….but someone is listening and trying to help inside too!

August 24, 2007 at 6:53 pm

LCer

All I can do is shake my head in disbelief. Now the members are indoctrinated, so Kimmer let’s them carry on with her advice.

August 24, 2007 at 7:39 pm

kkatastrophediet

http://kkatastrophediet.wordpress.com/

August 24, 2007 at 8:13 pm

Fluffer Nutter

This is so pathetic!

How can these people not see what they’re telling others to do is dangerous?

August 24, 2007 at 8:25 pm

Healthy LCer

This is really pathetic. Why don’t people do their own research and find out
how to correctly do lowcarb diets? It’s amazing how people just take the word of one person and read a magazine and think this is okay..

All lowcarbers should get Dr. Atkins book and read the science behind it. Sure it is a thick book, but isn’t their life worth it??

August 24, 2007 at 8:32 pm

Fluffer Nutter

Healthy LCer, you’re right….but people don’t want to actually do any work for themselves or their own health these days. Pop a pill, read a few sentences as a diet plan…..I’m to the point where if these people want to starve themselves, let them! But Kimmer, she needs to be held accountable for what she’s doing!

August 26, 2007 at 6:03 pm

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