With all that happened yesterday and last night, you may have missed that theTRUTH posted private messages between Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) and Tippytoes (Jeannie Baitinger) that detailed the salary negotiation that occured prior to Tippy accepting a paid position on Kimkins.
We know for a fact that the salary Tippytoes accepted was less than previous paid staff, but Kimmer played it that she was paying Tippy well.
A few moments ago theTRUTH posted another private message exchange, this time between Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) and Tippytoes (Jeannie Baitinger). This particular exchange is about success stories and pictures on the Kimkins website.
Read the full post at The TRUTH Starts Here.
In a ridiculous explanation about monitoring of private messages sent between members, Tippytoes (Jeannie Baitinger) had this to say about the matter.
Tippytoes wrote:
The reason for the PM’s being monitored is to find the sources who are hacking in by simply reading…
We are making this known to you so that there is no misunderstanding later.
As far as who is reading them, I will not say for protection of that admin. That admin has a job to do for the good of this site and the good of its members. Nothing more, nothing less. The same admin has been very busy uncovering a lot elsewhere and bit by bit we are winning this war.
I am hoping we will not need to do this forever. But we have to face facts here. The hackers came on to this site with harm’s intent. They did PM to each other and we know this now. So this is why we are monitoring and what we hope to stop.
Again, we apologize but feel we must take this action.
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October 2, 2007 at 2:55 pm
Kim
But yet didn’t all the previous posts say that nobody had access to PM’s? So now, they are being monitored and they’re tryint to justify why.
October 2, 2007 at 3:07 pm
TerryC
So the hackers are getting into KK and sending each other pm’s? Now why would they do such a stupid thing? Why didn’t they just call each other? So many questions.
October 2, 2007 at 4:06 pm
Anonymous
Um… weren’t the PMs accessible to admins *before* they started showing up on the internet?
October 2, 2007 at 4:29 pm
sandsandles
The cruise… SAFETY ISSUE? I don’t understand.
OH …. yeah…. must have SOME kind of answer even if it is “made up”. I guess some people just create answers and repeat them often enough that they begin to believe it themselves.
Just ANOTHER reason to get away from anything that has to do with that place.
If they will lie about one thing, they will lie about all things.
October 2, 2007 at 4:30 pm
sandsandles
… sorry, posted the cruise comment under wrong topic… but still applies!
October 2, 2007 at 5:06 pm
ixtapacheryl
OMG! I can’t believe those remaining members are buying that excuse! Those poor people can’t even share with one another their outside e-mail addresses. Why won’t Heidi/TT allow that?
October 2, 2007 at 5:43 pm
Julie
Okay, so the hackers are supposed to be smart enough to hack into the system and read the PMs but too stupid to realize that someone else might be reading their PMs.
And this is what people are supposed to believe? Seriously? What kind of logic is that?
October 2, 2007 at 8:23 pm
theTRUTH
If she wants war, I have plenty of “ammo” saved up…
October 2, 2007 at 9:15 pm
Princess Dieter
Well, there was no WAR before and all the admins and Heidi/Kimmer had free access to read PMs. Why doesn’t that scare members?
And then it came down to only Heidi and one admin having access, cause, well, “Kimmer” stopped trusting the others?
And now it’s being monitored cause of hackers?
My advice to Kimkinettes: Flee. How can you trust anything the rulership at Kimkins says? Even when they go back and say, “All is well. PMs are private,” well, you know they WON’T BE, cause they NEVER WERE. Heidi/Kimmer wouldn’t tolerate not being able to see everything going on in her kingdom. FLEE.
The Princess
October 3, 2007 at 3:34 am
ghoov
An admin of a Forum should never have reason to read PM’s, it’s none of their business. Yes, it is their site but still it’s wrong… unless they put it in writing in the TOS. Anyone know if it’s in the TOS?
Ah well perhaps after they read this, it will magically appear – get some screenshots people.
October 3, 2007 at 10:37 pm
Sarah van
What an idiot. It’s not “hacking” if you have a paid membership and access to the forum. That is, after all, what you pay MONEY for. If you don’t want to post and instead just use the IM function, that’s your right.
October 5, 2007 at 10:16 pm
claudia
What a shame all this has happened. Shame for the members, shame for the dieters, shame for the implicated admins and mods and, yes, shame for kimmer.
Just to state my position: I’m not a kimmer supporter. I am, however, a kimkins supporter. There is no doubt that that regime has helped many people lose weight both at kimmers and at lowcarbfriends.
I won’t sport with anyone’s intelligence by supporting the insupportable however as anyone considered that kimmer herself probably got caught in her own celebrity?
She went from doyen of diet on LCF to Empress Protein on kimkins. A heady ride for anyone, let alone someone who may not be intellectually, emotionally or psychiatrically equipped. Seems to me, she got strapped into the ride as much as anyone.
The fact that she’s now overweight (I do believe that she lost all that weight originally but gained it back, probably through eating to ameliorate the feelings she has about being a criminal) doesn’t take away from the fact that many people have lost, and continue to lose, weight on kimkins.
And people forgotten the years and years she spent on lowcarbfriends tirelessly and pleasantly helping people. It seems incongrous and quite barely believable that she intentionally, five years out, decided to become “kimmer”, the wonder dieter, with the long-term view of $40 per subscriber.
I think she started her own site and voila! it became something extraordinary. From there, she made some really dreadful decisions which culminated in her being America’s No.1 Most Wanted – Internet Division.
Can you imagine the pressure? Even if she has, as has been speculated, a sociopathic personalithy disorder, she must be close to break down or worse.
Her most foolish mistake was to continue to stuff down doughnuts whilst she espoused contrary principals. I can’t even imagine what kind of aridity that produces in a person, although I guess all those subscription fees will should cheer her up!
Had she fessed up and told everyone she’d fallen off the wagon then she wouldn’t be potentially going to gaol.
Tippytoes (Jeannie Baitinger) posted in Kimkins moments ago:
Re:Heads Up
I just have to say it is very bad out there. This has turned out to be a very active hate group. I see no difference in this hate as any other hate, be it for blacks, hispanics, against abortion or whatever. This hate group is snowballing into a larger group all of the time. Thier intimidation and scare tactis are not only unreasonable but quite illegal.
If you have been threatened or intimidated by this group please notify your local authorities and us. These are acts of terrorism.
If you see posts being copied and passed to other sites, please notify me.
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October 1, 2007 at 3:00 pm
Kimkins Dangers
The best thing Tippy could ever have done.. get Homeland Security involved in this and watch how fast Kimkins disappears.. lol That Tippy doesn’t think, does she. lol
October 1, 2007 at 3:11 pm
Kim
Isn’t TT the one who sent threats, REAL threats, to Dottie that included mention of her kids?
Pot? Kettle? I haven’t seen any of us making threats…stating actions we are taking, but threats? I don’t think so.
October 1, 2007 at 3:14 pm
MicheleP
“Thier intimidation and scare tactis are not only unreasonable but quite illegal.
If you have been threatened or intimidated by this group please notify your local authorities and us. These are acts of terrorism.
If you see posts being copied and passed to other sites, please notify me.”
First of all… its THEIR not thier, use spellcheck!
October 1, 2007 at 3:17 pm
MicheleP
“Thier intimidation and scare tactis are not only unreasonable but quite illegal.
If you have been threatened or intimidated by this group please notify your local authorities and us. These are acts of terrorism.
If you see posts being copied and passed to other sites, please notify me.”
First of all… its THEIR not thier, use spellcheck!
Next… Your perception on what I legal and illegal is as questionable as your motives. You think it illegal to comment on a morbidly obese woman who passes herself off as a successful diet guru, using pictures that don’t even look like her or each other that that matter, lol, and that this woman FRAUDLENTLY collected what is esimated to be millions of dollars from unsuspecting people. You think it is illegal to expose this Kimmer? Give me a break. Get some serious help, professionally.
October 1, 2007 at 3:34 pm
kkatastrophediet
Hey Tippy! Consider this notification!
http://kkatastrophediet.wordpress.com/
Long live JUSTICE!!!
October 1, 2007 at 3:44 pm
Kimmerexia
Tippy’s right. I’m a terrorist.
October 1, 2007 at 3:47 pm
bobbin
Umm… it’s snowballing into a bigger and bigger group all of the time because more and more people are waking up to the fact that Kimmer and her admins (TT) are thieves, and liars. Everyone wakes up eventually.
October 1, 2007 at 3:50 pm
Violet Skye
WTF??? Tippykins, maybe it’s time to take a walk outside or a power-nap. I think you’ve been logging a bit too much time as an admin and it’s taking its toll on your sense of proportion.
October 1, 2007 at 4:23 pm
angie
Its snowballing into a bigger goup is because Kimkins is getting exposed as the scam that it is. More people are being educated about Heidi Diaz, Tippy Toes a.k.a. Jeannie Baitinger for the scam artists, liars and thieves that they are. Sweet victory will be when they are behind bars.
October 1, 2007 at 4:30 pm
ixtapacheryl
I think TT needs to get some legal advice ….. what we are doing is not considered illegal. TT, extortion/threats on your part towards the LCF administrators is very questionable.. and I would be frightened if I were you.
We have all been defrauded and scammed. If you feel the heat is escalating, my suggestion is to run (not walk) away from KK’s site before it’s too late (and that is not a threat), just a caring suggestion. Please please distance yourself from her. No amount of money that she is possibly paying you is worth being her employee. You don’t want to end up being the “fall” guy in all of this.
October 1, 2007 at 4:33 pm
Princess Dieter
Excuse me? Blowing up people with a car bomb is terrorism. Passing anthrax around in the mail is terrorism. Setting fire to churches and temples to intimidate and kill is terrorism.
Exposing dangerous diets and possible commercial fraud is not terrorism.
If Tippy is so concerned about illegalities, maybe she should investigate her boss and make sure that’s all clean and nice and on the up and up.
Oh, right. Her boss is PAYING her for this “public relations.”
I hope the mass of Kimkinites still over there see Tippy’s statement for the offense it is to victims of real terrorism.
Tippy, one phrase: 9-11
Look it up if you have forgotten.
The Princess
October 1, 2007 at 4:39 pm
Concerned about kimkins
Yes, Tippy, glad to see you are getting an “edumifcation” Stupid ass. Why don’t you research internet fraud. Why don’t you see what you are responsible for, in raising money for a fake charity? Bet you a dollar me calling Heidi fat will be far less important than you screwing people out of money.
Tippy=hillbilly douchebag!
October 1, 2007 at 4:43 pm
honeybeesblog
This was just posted up at KK as an example of the threatening emails that they have received there.
The poster then put comments after the threatening email that they were sharing. I think it is safe to say that the same person who wrote the comments also wrote the email. No screen names were used to protect the Identity of the poster…umm..but none needed.
Quote:
“We kzuw wko u r axd tke eivl u r diong. Us dcuks woll sotp at ntohnig utikl Kimkins hws foleln! We arre innakttnig a waar of teriror!!
Qacuk Qacuk.”
i cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt!. At lseat Mssis awlyas is syanig how ipmorantt it is to msot.
Ok…yes I am kidding… but you know the PR department could have written this!! 
——-
Edited to bold that this is a joke.
October 1, 2007 at 4:52 pm
PrincessDucky
She’s lost it.
October 1, 2007 at 4:53 pm
Sheridan
“Isn’t TT the one who sent threats, REAL threats, to Dottie that included mention of her kids?”
Yes, and she also sent a similar threat to Melly, one of the chat admins.
Ephesians 5:11 Take no part in the worthless deeds of evil and darkness; instead, rebuke and expose them.
October 1, 2007 at 5:22 pm
Healthy LCer
From JWC:
HOMELAND SECURITY DUCK ADVISORY
Current Threat Level VERY YELLOW
WARNING
We have received credible information that there is an errant flock of yellow ducks roaming the streets of Corona, California in search of a skinny woman in a red dress. Following close behind the loudly quacking flock, are packs of small kittens and puppies hissing and snarling in unison, although some were observed smiling and winking as well. No one has been able to locate said skinny woman in red dress, so it is possible she has become duck food.
It has been reported that a somewhat larger woman in white stretch pants was seen running towards the airport followed by a rather tipsy female meandering recklessly as she tries to find new words in the dictionary. A third woman was observed staring intently into a crystal ball and screaming, “The ducks are coming, the ducks are coming!” Another follower was observed melting into the pavement reminiscent of the Wicked Witch of the West fame. The female in white stretch pants was then observed trying to obliterate the footprints behind her, but this did not seem to deter the flock of duck bills snapping at her heals.
It is critical that all who have reason to fear ducks, kittens, and puppies, should be on the lookout for these grave terroristic threats. In mass, quacking duckbills can be very effective weapons. Given enough quacks the world is sure to listen.
October 1, 2007 at 5:34 pm
Dottie
Clearing that up: My email was from Kimmer, not TT. I haven’t had any contact with Tippy except a PM before her cruise asking about how to search for something at LCF.
October 1, 2007 at 5:42 pm
anonymous
Posted by a KK member in response to TT’s post and deleted in rapid time:
I’m sorry, but I consider this to be highly offensive content. I live in Oklahoma, and was the news director for an all-news radio station at the time of the Murrah bombing in Oklahoma City. I know what terrorism looks like (smells like, feels like, sounds like) — and what’s going on the other sites ain’t it! Furthermore, to equate people who happen to be critical of Kimkins at other sites with neo-Nazi groups, the KKK or other extremists is ludicrous and insulting, and demonstrates a complete disregard for how truly dangerous an honest-to-goodness terrorist or hate group truly is. That comparison is completely inappropriate and ignorant.
Apparently, though, there’s no shred of free speech left here — if your thoughts don’t comply with what is considered to be “in line” with the “approved thinking”, you’re gone. . .
So ban away, Tippy Toes. Even though I haven’t said anything _object_ionable, I haven’t posted anything offensive, I haven’t included _link_s to “inappropriate” blogs, you’ll ban me because my opinion differs from yours.
And for anyone who reads this before it gets deleted and I get tossed, be aware that your health is your business — but you should be highly suspicious of anyplace that dictates to you what you can and can’t read or write.
And for the record, I have not copied any posts or PMs to other sites — my choice to leave Kimkins was mine, and I don’t believe that it is acceptable to “out” other people because they don’t agree with me. . . unlike some. I might choose to post this post someplace else, but it’s mine — and as the author, I have the right to use my words as I please.
I will continue to participate in other forums at other sites, where discussion can be freely held and honest but respectful communication is more important than the specific dogma of whatever WOE you choose. I’m not recruiting; you’re all grown-ups and can make your own choices — and I choose to go elsewhere.
C-ya!
October 1, 2007 at 5:54 pm
Mayberryfan
Two words for Tippy: Desparate. Pathetic.
October 1, 2007 at 6:00 pm
Exkimkinite
Yo Hidey!!!!
Are you embarrassed yet by Tippy making a complete moron of herself? Honestly woman, I gave you credit for more smarts than to have an idiot like this onboard at KK. Good grief. Terrorists. Someone quick – ALERT THE MEDIA.
October 1, 2007 at 6:15 pm
angie
I have 2 words for Tippy too: Fruit loop.
October 1, 2007 at 6:26 pm
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October 1, 2007 at 6:28 pm
2big4mysize
This is a pathetic tactic to scare those involved. You’d think being from the south she’d remeber that tactic of claiming federal law violations didn’t work against the civil rights boycotters in Alabama as the US supreme court ruled in their favor.
October 1, 2007 at 6:51 pm
theTRUTH
She sure scared me. I guess they are going to apply the patriot act now that we have been branded as terrorists. LMAO.
October 1, 2007 at 6:51 pm
TerryC
Kimmer has fled the asylum and left the “patients” in charge.
October 1, 2007 at 6:53 pm
theTRUTH
Now that we are branded as terrorists, maybe melt will like us better…
October 1, 2007 at 7:29 pm
Concerned about kimkins
2big, everything you just said I assure you went RIGHT OVER that hillbilly’s head. Are you kidding me? You think Tippy would know anything about civil rights, she’s still trying to figure out how to type/spell properly. Tippy is a moron, and the fact that she is the “Spokesperson/spokeshillbilly” for Kimkins, is AWESOME, it just helps those of us trying to out the company. When this hits that national media, they are gonna have a day with Tippy’s moronic ramblings. Ahhhh victory will be sweet.
October 1, 2007 at 7:33 pm
Dottie
October 1st, 2007 at 6:51 pm
TerryC
Kimmer has fled the asylum and left the “patients” in charge.
That’s what I’m wondering, too. When was the last time Kimmer shows online or posted?
October 1, 2007 at 8:23 pm
Stiff
“I just have to say it is very bad out there. This has turned out to be a very active hate group. I see no difference in this hate as any other hate, be it for blacks, hispanics, against abortion or whatever. This hate group is snowballing into a larger group all of the time. Thier intimidation and scare tactis are not only unreasonable but quite illegal.”
That was the most professional statement I have ever heard…
…coming from a hillbilly.
“If you have been threatened or intimidated by this group please notify your local authorities and us. These are acts of terrorism.”
In other words…Please, let me copy exactly what the haters are telling everyone to do by contacting your authorities because I have no brain to think on my own.
And let me call it terrorism in hopes I will stir some poor sensitive soul’s heart.
Bush is sending some troops to that hater website to take care of them KK-haters, ye hear?
Ahhhhhhhhahahah I can hear her in my head.
“If you see posts being copied and passed to other sites, please notify me.”
….so I can run to Heidi and be a good admin and get a good raise.
October 1, 2007 at 8:23 pm
Princess Dieter
Where, oh where, could Kimmer have funneled those accumulated membership fees in the hundreds of thousands….?
Someplace sunny where diet soda, wigs, white stretch pants, and #2 specials are bountiful, I suppose.
and theTruth–Melt doesnt’ like anybody but Melt and her boytoys, and maybe not even them. So, deal with it. Sniff.
The Princess
October 1, 2007 at 8:26 pm
mac
From Tippy at KK’s
Re:Heads Up 11 Minutes ago
They say they do not understand how the tactics could be considered terrorism. So for them here it is, straight from Webster’s dictonary: “Terrorism. the use of force or threats to intimidate”. This would include the attack launched by Ducky towards KimATC, threatening to post info about her children if she didn’t quit within a time limit set by them. This would also include SingingLass’s real name, address and phone number being posted with reference seeking those who live near her to “get her”. She has recieved major threats by telephone including death threats. They have suggested that if she has children they are in danger. This IS terrorism and this MUST be stopped.
Report terrorism to your local authorities. Print the threats and date. And contact us.
Please note, although no boardcode and smiley buttons are shown, they are still useable
—————————
Anyone with half a brain cell working can look back and see clearly that we never threatened to post about KimATC’s children. Her profile on Kimkins included her children’s names and when that was removed from KimATC’s profile on Kimkins Meet Your Team page, their names were promptly removed here too (and stated as such). All information posted about SingingLass is from public records and her own posts online. No threats, real or imagined, were made to “get her” in our post. Tippytoes keep digging that hole you’ve got going there!
October 1, 2007 at 8:29 pm
mac
Dottie,
It show Kimmer was on today!
October 1, 2007 at 8:41 pm
Kimkins Dangers
Making false accusations that someone is a terrorist is illegal, ftw.
October 1, 2007 at 9:12 pm
Concerned about kimkins
So ducky does this mean Tippy is walking straight into a defamation case from ya’ll now. I’m saying you should sue her too. She’s fully moronic! God Tippy keep typing please, I’m loving how ignorant you continue to be!!!!
October 1, 2007 at 9:19 pm
Kan
I think TT has made it clear that she should be the next target. And before I get called a TERRORIST, I mean she should be held liable for knowingly getting involved in a fraud and then bending over backwards to cover it up.
And you just know TT is loving this btw. She just wants to be in the spotlight. She is obviously an attention-who…..I mean attention-hound.
October 1, 2007 at 9:51 pm
CR
The paranoia must REALLY be setting in…they are imagining terrorists now LMAO!
Maybe Tippy hasnt heard of public record? As I said before, not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
in Heidi’s words….”Tippy, get a diet buddy, and no stress eating!” LOL.
October 1, 2007 at 10:29 pm
antikimkins
Quote:
“We kzuw wko u r axd tke eivl u r diong. Us dcuks woll sotp at ntohnig utikl Kimkins hws foleln! We arre innakttnig a waar of teriror!!
Qacuk Qacuk.”<<<<<<<<<<<<
I read this at work today and just started giggling SO hard!!!
What a hoot it would be if we came up with our own little duck language that Heidi and her crew couldn’t understand, then we could post in all the blogs using it!!! ROFLMAO!!!
October 2, 2007 at 6:46 am
ghoov
In the interest of public service I shal post a translation for the rednecks out there:
“Re:Heads Up ah jest hafta say it is mighty bad out thar. This hyar has turned out t’be a mighty ackive hate group. ah see no difference in this hyar hate as enny other hate, be it fo’ blacks, hispanics, aginst abo’shun o’ whutevah. This hyar hate group is snowballin’ into a larger group all of th’ time. Thier intimidashun an’ scare tackis is not only unreasonable but quite illegal, ah reckon. Eff’n yo’ haf been thrett uped o’ intimidated by this hyar group please notify yer local autho’ities an’ us. These is acks of terro’ism, dawgone it. Eff’n yo’ see posts bein’ copied an’ passed t’other sites, please notify me.”
October 2, 2007 at 8:31 am
Mimi
antikimkins said, “…language that Heidi and her crew couldn’t understand…”
That language already exists, and is in widespread use across the blogs of Duckdom. That language is Truth. Heidi and her crew cannot understand this language. They’ll never crack the code.
Tippytoes (Jeannie Baitinger) continues to enlighten Kimkins members about her theory on Ducky, theTRUTH and why Low Carb Friends is unAmerican too!
SUBJECT: Re:Question for Tippy
Tippytoes wrote:
Well, Netrition does allow it’s BB to be used to help destroy our home here. They allow members to speak freely and very unkindly, make fun of and threaten people who follow Kimkins. They even allow this hostility towards their own members who follow Kimkins. They are aware their chat admins are Ducky and The Truth and they are aware of the slander being written and promoted. They have made no efforts to discourage this behavior and in fact appear to be in favor of promoting it. They allow their members to make fun of overweight people yet they call themselves a diet support site. They still keep all Kimkins threads available for use. The “we can do what we want and you better not question it” is unreasonable and unAmerican at best. If you want to do business with this company you certainly may and you have every right to do so. But I want the truth known so others can make their own choices too.
*****
It’s clear Tippytoes has now entered into the realm of what can only be considered libel against Low Carb Friends and their admins; in addition she’s now fully within the boundaries of a lawsuit should Low Carb Friends or those admins she’s accusing decide to take the next step.
Oh, and Tippytoes, slander isn’t written, it’s verbal.
It’s starting off a banner day in the speculation department as to whom Ducky is.
First Tippytoes is sure we’re admins and members from Low Carb Friends. Now, theTRUTH posted private messages between SingingLass and Kimmer, with SingingLass offering her insights about who we are.
Oh, it doesn’t get any better than this!
SingingLass wrote:
http://kimkinsexposed.wordpress.com/
Thats the fun stuff. I keep the kimkins site open in my IE browser, and when I go to any of those sites or LCF, I do so seperately through aol, fav places etc…so that they cannot see a browsing trail. I use a statistical traffic counter thingy on my listings myself. Someone must have linked some peeps from the chat room yesterday though, or at least so ducky claimed. I had actually wondered if you had peeked at it last night because someone announomously posted ” all of a dozen of you” on that. I have posted a couple times on the boards under different names just wanting to try to point out holes, its pretty pointless though, they don’t want to hear anything that bursts their obsession bubble. Ducky is definately grasping for straws though…most likely Catherine’s husband, prolly wanted to set up a couple different slam sites to try to broaden the appearance of the scope and people against you.
I also am not surprised no one has contacted you, its why I have laughed at them calling everyone, their silly petitions. Firstly, those kind of investigations tend to start with an undercover preliminary peeksie. Meaning they would have some underling at first poke their head in here to see if there is any kind of story or truth, no one wants to make a foll of themselves by running with something that is not solid…..and what they will find is not what is being spread around. People get what they pay for, no advice being given for people to eat nothing but grass…..and no where in the purchasing agreement does it say that people are entitled to know your bra size or choice of toilet paper. In order to have a real case, there would have to be huge lackings in what was promised, people paying and getting nothing and the like….and also there would have to be multiple medically documented cases of people being hurt or worse, and even then only if they followed the diet correctly and it happened. Also, any self-thinking investigator who goes and looks at that LCF thread and the ducky board will be able to see it is a foaming irrational mob behind this.
I had someone saying she was eating 10-15 g of fat a day in the chat room and not losing weight. I of course told her to up that, and she was like “oooh”……there also was someone who had been silently sitting in the chat room for a long time last night…bracken666 i think it was, who thought they have had an account since june, had no posts listed in their profile. I decided to address them and say hello, and bam, they signed out. Others said he/she had been in there for hours without saying anything, so just seemed odd they ran when addressed…obviously was watching. Just little things and people like that to keep an eye out, sad we have to, but needed right now I guess.
Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) replied:
Thanks, Del, you’re better than the FBI.
Everything you outlined for an investigation is exactly right — but I wasn’t going to bore you with the details, LOL! I’m glad you understand and you see yourself that there’s nothing hokey going on: diet, food list, support groups and nobody being told to drink Drano or gulp laxatives.
I did get an email from the Woman’s World editor. Wanted to know if we were sending mailings to members encouraging laxative abuse. Had to set her straight on what’s happening. Ducky is running out of resources — and every morning we’re still here darn it!
BTW, this probably sounds like a bribe (hey, you can blog about it!) but I appreciate you looking out for Kimkins. I’ll remember that. I believe a gift between friends is non-taxable, yes? You’ll have something to look forward to at Christmas. (theTRUTH emphasis added)
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September 27, 2007 at 6:18 pm
Kim
How paranoid are they? Someone is “lurking” and then leaves when addressed? How does the psychic not know the “lurker” wasn’t someone watching to gather info for their investigation?
September 27, 2007 at 6:25 pm
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September 27, 2007 at 6:28 pm
Dottie
“Firstly, those kind of investigations tend to start with an undercover preliminary peeksie.”
You know, there really IS a reson why it’s called “undercover”. lol…
Conspiracy occurs when there is the specific intent that a crime be performed; and there is an agreement with another person to engage in or cause that crime to be performed, and one of the conspirators commits an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy. At state and local levels, there are various degrees of conspiracy, ranging from misdemeanors to felonies, depending upon the crime that is committed. Under U.S. federal law, conspiracy is a felony.
September 27, 2007 at 6:34 pm
Concerned about kimkins
Or a person who is too shy to join or talk about their weight problem but wants to get info. What the hell?
September 27, 2007 at 6:45 pm
losingjusme
oohhhh … what’s Hidy going to send SL? A matching set of her ’striped’ PJ’s from jail?
September 27, 2007 at 6:51 pm
Princess Dieter
She’s a psychic. Why doesn’t she already know who Ducky is and who the lurker was and what Heidi’s bra size is. (50FF?) Ahem.
The Princess
September 27, 2007 at 7:05 pm
trudy
They’re wrong.
Ducky = RightNow = PJ
September 27, 2007 at 7:10 pm
Concerned about kimkins
Because much like a her claim of being a diet expert, she is NOT a psychic. Remember when Ms. Cleo got arrested for being a fraud, uh…a psychic would have seen that comin’. Plus, seeing her pics, she is also not at her goal, at all. So, um…yeah Heidi, please let the blind lead the blind. I know I’ve always wanted to go to Michael Jackson for Parenting tips. Shit!
September 27, 2007 at 7:46 pm
sheridan
“Firstly, those kind of investigations tend to start with an undercover preliminary peeksie. Meaning they would have some underling at first poke their head in here to see if there is any kind of story”
What makes you think one or more of your new members *aren’t* working undercover for an agency?
September 27, 2007 at 7:47 pm
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September 27, 2007 at 10:16 pm
Princess Dieter
Excuse me, but how is a psychic worth $600 bucks an hour ($10 dollars A MINUTE). Teachers, nurses, plumbers, nutritionists, construction workers, dentists, etc –ie, real jobs—do not make this. Heck, my roofer didn’t make that and roofers are in big demand post hurricanes down here in Florida. Not even doctors make that, and maybe not lawyers (I haven’t hired any, so dunno).
But Singing”I’m just here to help people”Lass thinks it is right and just and fair to charge SIX HUNDRED DOLLARS AN HOUR for readings. Yeah, she’s in it for the empathic love…
http://www.kasamba.com/psychicmagicsong/
No wonder she and Heidi get along so well. Online money-grubbers banding together….
The Princess
September 27, 2007 at 10:35 pm
CR
I think they are all chuggin off the same jug LMAO.
September 27, 2007 at 10:56 pm
antikimkins
Interesting that SingingLass claims to have two degrees but her ass can’t spell!!!! Where did she get those degrees????? AsSeenOnTV.com????
Since we know that WW editor has contacted Kimmer with her concern — I say we all contact that editor AGAIN.
September 28, 2007 at 12:15 am
scoble
Hmmmm…opera singer, psychis, lawyer and NOW FBI/CIA/Police investigator!!! Is there no end to the list of qualifications this girl has???? Amazing!!! And she has never heard of spell check??? Hmmmm?
September 28, 2007 at 12:16 am
scoble
I meant psychic…..I HAVE heard of spell check! LOL
September 28, 2007 at 5:00 am
Mimi
Actually, we don’t “know” that the WW editor has contacted Kimmer. All we know is, Kimmer says the WW editor contacted Kimmer.
September 28, 2007 at 7:08 am
Princess Dieter
I did write the editor of WW with links to here and Christin and TRUTH and etc. I was a mite ticked, too, and forgot to proofread. Left in a couple of typos. I hope they don’t think I’m Tippy or SingingLass. Heh.
So, I guess this won’t be over until the Psychic…stops singing?
The Princess
A Witch!
Admin tarvosK explains his user name on Kimkins:
Well let’s see the easist way to explain this is to say that my username is a combination of a name I use basically everywhere and the first letter of my fiance’s name (online/lifestyle). As for my name tarvos is an ancient Gaelic (or possibly Celtic) god. I don’t recall the specifics of him, but the name was suggested to me by a friend several years ago. Since my fiance and I are both practicing Wiccan’s these names are also our magical names. As for the lifestyle reference, some will understand more if I print it correctly tarvos{K}.Be well and safe all
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We had a bit of fun editing the lettercase in some words.
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September 27, 2007 at 3:10 am
Gweebles
Tarvos is not going to be happy when the 3 fold law comes into action. Any good Wiccan knows that if you do harm, it comes back 3fold. Just imaging helping and supporting a scam, wow that is a lot of Karma to fix.
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Maybe SingingAss told him, she’s psychic ya know, predicted it’s not true and then the hillbilly swore it wasn’t so?
September 27, 2007 at 3:19 am
theTRUTH
And I had which one was the witch all wrong…
September 27, 2007 at 3:32 am
Mimi
Check out the wikipedia listing for tarvos. The god of bull. Perfect
September 27, 2007 at 3:34 am
Mimi
Good point Gweebles. PS … tarvos is spelled with a lowercase t. Denoting his subjugation to Heidi and his inferiority to all women.
September 27, 2007 at 3:35 am
Kimkins Dangers
tarvos[K} could just as easily mean tarvos, {K}immer’s slave boy. ~grin~ He seems so fond of doing her dirty work. We wonder if he does her dishes and windows too, or perhaps cleans up the dog poo around her apartment.
September 27, 2007 at 3:36 am
Quackamole
For those interested in doing all this stuff “legally”, may I suggest this link:-
http://kimkinscircus.blogspot.com/2007/09/at-least-im-legal-now.html
Thank you,
Q
September 27, 2007 at 3:37 am
Princess Dieter
Oh, I like that threefold law thing. I hope in Heidi’s case, there’ a cosmic burp and it’s the twenty-one fold law. The Big Wham.
He needs to watch Buffy the Vampire Slayer and try to be more like Good Willow (not Dark Willow). She was a cool witch who just wanted everyone to be happy and get along. Take a clue, Tarvos(k)
The Princess
September 27, 2007 at 3:43 am
Quackamole
Wikipedia states that “Tarvos means ‘bull’ (Delmarre 2003 pp.291-292)”.
I prefer to add no further comment.
Q.
September 27, 2007 at 4:00 am
ghoov
TarvosK has a blog of sorts at:
http://www.realmoftarvos.org/thoughts/?cat=4
Of course I’m sure that others have googled this person…
September 27, 2007 at 4:11 am
Kate
He’s not a very knowledgeable Wiccan either, you just don’t take a magical name and not research it. What if he picked a total a$$? lol Maybe that explains a lot. Hmmm Heidi deserves someone like him on her staff - doesn’t look too hard at anything.
September 27, 2007 at 7:22 am
reesie
lions and tigers and bears OH my,,, well looks like they’re all ready for halloween!!! 
September 27, 2007 at 11:31 am
MrsA
He’s giving Wiccans a bad rap, IMO.
September 27, 2007 at 11:38 am
PrincessDucky
ROFLMAO
September 27, 2007 at 1:04 pm
Ban Kimmer
Ducky this whole time you have been objective, I’m upset that you would call Tippy a hillbilly….wait no I’m not, THAT WAS AWESOME!!!!
Best blog ever!!!!!!!!
Holy shit, this was so great to wake up to.
Now what’s tippy gonna do about her hubby teefers if Heidi gets shut down?
September 27, 2007 at 2:35 pm
La Mesa
I thought is was “a psychic, a hillbilly, and KIMMERS BITCH” God I love calling him that.
September 27, 2007 at 2:42 pm
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[…] A Psychic, A Hillbilly and… « Kimkins Exposed new admin tarvosk is said to be a practicing Wiccan. […]
Tippytoes (Jeannie Baitinger, admin at Kimkins) is allegedly denying the email she sent to Melly at Low Carb Friends.
Here it is:
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:01:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeannie Baitinger
Subject: if it walk like a duck
To: melly L_Name
We know you have a part in ducky. Suggesting you pull the blog or the next thing you will see is Melly Exposed.
The Kimkins forums can only, at this point in time, be called toxic.
Last night’s display of unbridled rage underscored the growing anger Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) feels as the truth is seeping out for all to see. In what many speculate was a drunken tear by Kimmer, under the guise of a new user name, members were given front row seats to really see how the once supportive forum is damaged beyond repair, how the environment reeks with hate toward anyone speaking the truth, including those members who remain within the site.
Members who paid for membership, who paid for access, who paid for a supportive environment online are finding themselves in the crosshairs; targets to be attacked at any hint they question the plans, the founder or their own experience within the forums. Members asking questions or offering up suggestions for improvement are quickly derided, dismissed and declared unworthy to be among the true believers, told to leave and go elsewhere if they won’t behave and blindly regurgitate the party-line.
When a member asked about calorie limits, Wonderwoman replied,
What limits? What are you talking about? Why not call your doctor if you’re so scared? Or if you’re not doing Kimkins then go away?
My cousin had RouxY gastric reconstruction for obesity and she ate less than anybody here. What’s the danger? What are you afraid of? If you do Weight Watchers with frozen tv dinners you’re healthy? Aren’t they loaded to the gills with carbs? Yeah. Nutritious.
When another member openly suggested a listing of potential health risks and side effects for new members, after reading Deni’s blog entry, her intentions were questioned by admin tarvosK,
I would like to ask the original poster what the purpose of posting this blog entry was? Is there some reason for posting yet more negativity about the plan?
Did this person have success on the plan? It appears so and then they left for whatever reason, as is their right. However I have to wonder about people that involve themselves in something like KK and then when they have gotten the results they wanted, go running off and start bashing it to the rest of the world. It seems to me that there is just something very odd about that, but then I have never been one to really follow the pack that much anyway, so I won’t be running off anywhere to tell people how evil and life threatening this plan is.
Notice tarvosK avoids the issue, potential health risks, and focuses back to fast weight loss as ideal and suggests those who have fled the site and are speaking out have alterior motives, according to him, there is no danger with Kimkins diet plans.
When yet another member dared to suggest posting potential side effects for new members to read and understand, admin Tippytoes stepped to admonish her with,
I am curious since I see you posting the possibility of negativity and doubt across the boards today… What does YOUR Doctor think?
Another member had the audacity to ask about carbohydrate intake after attending a class on nutrition, being told women require 100 grams of carbohydrate each day. Rather than explain gluconeogenesis or point her to articles about meeting glucose requirements while following a low carb diet, she was told by Wonderwoman,
If you’re in danger from not eating carbs, shouldn’t be you at the emergency room? On life support? Or crawling along in weight loss because you really wanted to add carbs and have given yourself permission under a self induced guise? Sign up for the group “yeah I did Kimkins and didn’t lose”.
These examples, and others we could provide, clearly highlight how dysfunctional the site now. Such abuse of members is not only tolerated, but expected; not only from admins, but between member to member.
It is a place where only those emotionally damaged souls really want to stay and want to remain so they can continue to feed on the punishment.
No emotionally healthy person will tolerate such abuse daily, nor willingly continue to remain so they can witness such abuse directed at others. Within Kimkins there is an illness, a sickness so prevalent and contagious, so toxic; an emotional dysfunction so damaging it makes the diet plans look sane.
What do you get when you combine one confused newbie and three Kimkins admins?
Dangerous advice that may be fatal.
New Kimkins Member
Subject: Frustrated I need help!!
Okie dokie…
well, I know this is my fault, but my weight is going wacky this week. I was 174 on monday and have gone up and down every day between there and 178?!? is this normal? I have usually only been weighing once a week, because when I first started I was going a little crazy with the scale.
Anyhow, I have been very naughty (mostly because I’m caught up in other things) and I’ve not been entering my food into fitday. Shame on me, I know. I HAVE to do this. I feel like it keeps me more honest. (But I dont’ cheat, just have a tendency to overdo with the “extras” like cheese & jello)
ALSO- I’ve been having massive muscle cramps in my legs? I drink at least 2literes of water a day… and I take vitamins, so I dunno what’s up? Do other people get this? My dis-approving family tells me it’s my “diet”
Last- I have been doing well on kimkins. Better than anything my whole life!! But I am constantly being berated by family members and friends that say the way I’m eating is not healthy and it’s too drastic and I’m just going to “get fat again” They even go to the lengths of cutting out magazine articles and printing out things to “prove” to me that what I’m doing is wrong and unhealthy. This is really starting to drag me down and I’m wondering if in fact that has something to do with my wacko weight?
Thanks so much!!
SingingLass (admin and self-professed psychic) replies:
Lots of things can cause little scale hops anywhere in a five pound range or so….water retention, undigested/ expelled food, water intake, TOM…ya name it. I try not to worry about it when I see it, because it always corrects itself out in a day or two, especially if it is water retention or TOM.
You may want to try taking an additional potassium supplement for the leg cramps….when someone non-low carb dieting gets them, it often is prescribed to eat bannas for the potassium. Of course, if it continues to happen, consult your doctor.
I think we all have gone through the ropes of those who are not fully educated on low carb eating etc…and remind yourself that you have done much more research on this then any of them have, and thus can better decide what is healthy for you and what is not. Sometimes other people who do not have the courage, strength, whatever…to dedicate themselves to this kind of WOE and change for their ownselves, try to make themselves feel better by pulling those back/ putting down others who are making that effort. I know that sounds bad, but it is something many people have reported unfortunate incidents of. Hold your chin up sweetie, only you can decide what is best for you.
Next at bat, TippyToes (admin) replies:
In general dieting shifts our water balances and can cause the leg cramping. I take a calcium/magnesium supplement and it does the trick.
Sorry you are yo-yoing for the moment. I must say the one food that causes this for me is the beloved cheese. Try a few days without it and see if it cures the problem.
And then it’s Kimmer’s turn (admin and Heidi Diaz) to reply too, dragging a former admin into it:
KimATC recommends calcium & magnesium supplements for leg cramps. You can read more in the Work Out Zone forum.
Of course the only person who can advise you medically is your doctor — and many people still think you “need” carbs — so why not fax your doctor a copy of the Kimkins diet and ask what he thinks? Many Kimkins members have gotten the “thumbs up” from their docs and are on their way to staving off (or controlling) diabetes.
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Note, none of the above admins are medical professionals or qualified to provide nutrition or supplement advice.
No warning was provided to this new member that potassium supplementation itself can be fatal if not done properly.
No one warned her that her leg cramps may be a warning sign of electrlyte imbalance, a potentially fatal condition if not resolved.
Dottie isn’t the only one at Low Carb Friends to receive a message with clear intent to intimidate. Melly, a member of Low Carb Friends, also received a nastygram, not from Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) but from Kimkins Public Relations Director, Jeannie Baitinger (Tippytoes).
It read, “We know you have a part in ducky. Suggesting you pull the blog or the next thing you will see is Melly Exposed.”
Melly says,
I will just speak for myself…anyone can post “secrets” they claim to have on someone but lies are lies and in the end they are still lies. Noone has anything on me so I am not worried….you see when you live your life as you should you don’t have to look over your shoulder and be worried that some paranoid insane person is going to stalk you…..but if you live your life doing dirt and taking advantage of people you are going to have a few people eventually get sick of it…hmmm go figure
While we do not wish to inflict any more pain on individuals who fled Kimkins when they realized the fraud being perpetuated, we feel it necessary to point out that a former admin posted today that she realized, as an admin, she could read all PM’s and,
“as more and more of my disbelief grew, I actually looked around in my private message area and yes, there is a button that admins can enable to see all PMs. My stomach sank as right there was another bold faced lie. But what really sickens me, is that I read one.”
And which PM did she read?
“I read one between Tippy and Kimmer entitled ebook where Tippy said she would take a shot at writing the ebook while on her cruise. I have been absolutely sick to my stomach since then.”
That was the point where she woke up. It did not make her feel very good. In fact, she was
“Sick at myself that I would go so low to try and find answers. I spent the next couple of days thinking I could be brutus to her ceasar, be an inside person and find some unknown “proof” or soemthing. I had this feeling in the pit of my stomach that there is anothe rlayer here. I STILL cannot shake that feeling. I do think there is more here that has yet to be uncovered. But I couldn’t do it. It made me sick signing on. It made me sick just seeing her name on a post. Even though I felt like I was making a difference in the workout zone, she was not the person I had believed and realized to that point eveyrthing had been a sham. She was not a friend. She was incapable of being a friend. She was a user, and I am ashamed to have been part of her “team”.”
While we understand the pain you’ve been through, and applaud your decision to leave Kimkins and speak out, we feel others will benefit reading about your experience.
You’re out, you’re doing the right thing, it’s time to stop beating yourself up!
Just moments ago ‘the TRUTH’, who comments across many blogs and recently launched their own blog, released confidential admin forum communications on their blog. Hat tip to theTRUTH!
We wonder if Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) recognizes the inside source leaking this information out? These communications are, after all, in a hidden forum area only accessible to admins!
Sept. 5
From Kimmer:
Handling Forum Posts/Questions
First, I want to thank everyone for their time and your kindness to help out on Kimkins forums. I don’t have to tell you that our strongest asset is our members — including all of you!I might bear mentioning that our main goal at Kimkins is to help people lose weight. This isn’t always by offering food choice advice, but encouraging and suggesting choices — which all of you do.
Any questions of a medical nature can have a general reply or your own personal experience, but they should be encouraged to ask their doctor. I don’t think any of us are doctors, no doctor would diagnose over the internet anyway. I understand they are hesitant to go to the doctor or may have financial problems, but we’re not medical experts.
As you’ve probably read in forums I don’t like negativity threads. Not that there’s anything wrong with venting, but their tone spreads quickly and distracts from the work we’re doing here. Negativity & weight loss don’t mix and can affect your whole day (think of the last time you had an argument with a spouse or coworker).
There’s a ton of places they can go to complain about me, I’d rather it not be here.
Again, thanks everyone, I really appreciate your help. I’m a bit behind with no computer for a week, but I’m working hard to get caught up. If anyone has more questions or wants to add anything, feel free!
K.
Sept., 6
From TippyToesRe:Handling Forum Posts/Questions
I agree. The time we are spending hunting out the nay sayers is time we could have spent helping people. If any of you admins see negative posting, by all means delete it even if you have to delete the entire thread. And report the person who posted the offense to Kimmer right away, please. We are going to start banning with no refund. Because we are a paid site, I doubt too many will pay $ to come back just to cause trouble. Thanks again, everyone. This too shall pass…
From AdminXXX (Name removed because Admin has since resigned. Had too much sense I guess…)
Re:Handling Forum Posts/Questions
Wow, that’s a big step. I hope there was something in the terms of service that reserves the right to do that (or to change the terms of service). If not, that could create some kind of legal issue (or at least very hard feelings), since people are paying for lifetime memberships.May I suggest:
- setting some very, very specific guidelines on what is and isn’t appropriate.
- setting a specific banning procedure, including a set of warnings
- making absolutely certain that everybody is informed about the guidelines and the banning procedureSept. 11
From SingingLass:
Something I felt i should make a note on…..is we should pay attention to questions in certain areas right now. Primarily questions in the fields the other sites are trying to claim as a negative of this plan right now…..such as calories, laxitives, children and the like. I do read the other stuff occassionally, I am not affected by it, but like to just keep tabs a bit on what is going on…..and one of the things I have seen is people wanting to try to manifest dirt—-so a harmless seeming question about how low they can go with calories or laxatives could potentially be a setup to try to get a response they can use somehow. I may sound paranoid, but I think it is a very real issue right now that should be considered in our responses….I personally am trying to be “safe” in my responses, refer to the reading, eating when hungry, and of course to check with doctor.For instance, there is a thread in newbie forum right now “fat grams”…..of someone wanting to do the diet with nothing but shakes, and it just struck me a little odd on how they keep asking the same questions over and over about how low calories can go ignoring the responses……and got really aggressive towards me in my response. They seem to be looking for an exact number or an answer that says there is no limit to how low they can go. Again, this could be me being paranoid….but is an example of being alert to odd questions or behaviors.
From Kimmer:
Delaney, good point. Yes, they’re out … looking for anything that can be twisted or taken out of context. Hard to believe this is how some people actually spend their day.90 pounds! Wow!
Sept. 14
From TippyToes:
Singing lass, you are one smart cookie! They won’t be tricking you. I too am keeping tabs on things over there. I feel we can use them for improvements to the site here. In a very odd way, we can use the negatives in a positive way.
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September 18, 2007 at 8:38 pm
La Mesa
I can’t believe what a scum bag tippy toes is….’ths too shall pass’ what a pathetic excuse for a human being to partner up with heidi the devil!
September 18, 2007 at 8:40 pm
La Mesa
Again..Tippy toes…just as evil as heidi!
September 18, 2007 at 8:42 pm
LastLCer
ROFLMAO, Tippy sure thinks she’s smarter than the average bear…NOT!
September 18, 2007 at 8:43 pm
Swinging Higher
Are you planning to do an expose on the remaining admins any time soon?
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The other admins profiles are in progress at the moment. We encourage those reading here to share any pertinent information in the comments and include “DO NOT POST” at the start if they wish the information to be confidential and anonymous.
September 18, 2007 at 8:43 pm
Barb
I love how they think they don’t have to refund money to people who get banned for NO REASON! You’ll find out you do! TT obviously is of the same calibur as that BIG FAT LIAR Heidi Diaz!
September 18, 2007 at 8:43 pm
ROFL
I had no clue there was a private admin forum over there. That they’re actually discussing how to ban members without refunds is sick.
September 18, 2007 at 8:45 pm
Josh
Just when you think nothing will surprise you, you’re surprised. I’m sure the admin who left — the only one with any common sense obviously — wishes they’d never been involved with this whole thing. This all is so disgusting to see. People can be really cruel to each other, can’t they?
September 18, 2007 at 8:55 pm
Terri
Disgusting!
September 18, 2007 at 9:00 pm
Kim
IMO they sound paranoid. Just trying to get the bad stuff off asap so they can continue to rope in newbies.
September 18, 2007 at 9:01 pm
Mir
I hope someone has the original TOS from when the mass of people signed up. I suspect that lots of fiddling will go on. If lifetime membership was not limited by the membership agreement–ie, if it didn’t say you could be banned sans refund for being “negative”–then I don’t see how they have the justification. You can’t run a site on the whims of teh dictator. There have to be standards and rules and people have to be able to know that the rules are stable, not changing according to She-Stalin’s whims.
She would have been much smarter allowing ONE “vent and ask” thread and let her henchwomen handle it on an ongoing basis. Heck, hire someone, use some of that 2 millions bucks, and let them be the vent-hostess.
When you let people talk and vent, you at least seem like a civilized, democratic person.
When you summarily delete and banish, well, you show your true colors.
Did the original agreement demand members never say anything critical of Heidi-Liedy? Did it say no negative comments on the forums? If not, then how can they use that as justificaton for banishment and censorship?
M.
September 18, 2007 at 9:11 pm
OddManOut
[i]Sept., 6
From TippyToes[/i]
Sooo. Tippy Toes was an admin days before she was officially announced? Interesting.
September 18, 2007 at 9:13 pm
Joey
They’ve got some balls, that’s for sure!
September 18, 2007 at 9:17 pm
too bad kimmer
Does this mean that “Pants on Fire” violated the TOS of the BBB by posting as an employee of Kimkins?
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It does indeed appear that Tippy Toes did violate the rules of the BBB for reviewing a company when she did so while an employee/admin.
September 18, 2007 at 9:30 pm
ixtapacheryl
Doesn’t surprise me in the least! I’m just shocked that they are all so cavalier towards their paying members. Don’t kid yourself – they could care less about any of their members losing weight or keeping it off. All they’re worried about is the negativity that is circling inside the KK site and eradicating it as soon as they can spot it. None of them want to deal with reality – it’s easier to ban and ignore.
Different day – same story!
September 18, 2007 at 9:51 pm
theTRUTH
Gee. If it is only accessible to Admins, how did I get at it?
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Ducky’ll never tell!
September 18, 2007 at 10:04 pm
Stiff
As for terms of service, this looks new to me:
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The Kimkins Program is provided in electronic media and as such cannot be returned for refund once purchased and accessed. Members may not harass, annoy, badger, bully or act in an offensive manner to other members or administration. Violators will have their accounts canceled and no refund given.
This website comprises various websites and pages operated by Kimkins.com and the information contained therein (together, the “website”). Certain sections of the website may contain separate terms and conditions, which are in addition to this agreement. You should read those additional terms and conditions carefully. By accessing such sections or pages, you agree to be bound by those additional terms and conditions. In the event of a conflict, those additional terms and conditions will govern your use of those sections or pages.
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Since when did it say accounts will be cancelled and no refunds given?
And where is this justified? What are her guidelines for being offensive? Some specifics would be nice.
The Anonymous Admin definitely said it well.
September 18, 2007 at 10:14 pm
WOW
Tippy…you really got alot on the ball don’t you.
Your’e gonna need all the “positives” you can get to get you out of this mess LOL.
September 18, 2007 at 10:18 pm
Leslie
Kimmer has a big problem.
She has an admin within her trusted circle betraying her.
What will she do next?
Will she fire them all?
How will she really know which one it is?
They’ll all deny it was them, but one will be lying!
I know who the TRUTH is, but I’m not telling!
September 18, 2007 at 10:19 pm
WOW
It’s quite the racket over there eh???
Take their money and ban them….and none of the new sign ups will know a thing about it until they themselves question whats going on….then they in turn will suffer the same fate…..
It’s a renewing resource…a money generating scam.
September 18, 2007 at 10:28 pm
RayOfFriknSunshine
Curious as I am to know who the Truth is, I hope s/he isn’t outed. Keep it up, whoever you are!
September 18, 2007 at 10:37 pm
MariaM
TRUTH should use his contact to do a global email to everyone in the kimkins database, complete with a history of everything going on and links to all these blogs so members who don’t wander around much get to see what’s going on!
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Kimmer may be the only one with privleges to do such a mass emailing, but with the mass emailing today of the email-ebook-advertisement, it’s obvious such a mailing is possible.
We really like your idea and hope theTRUTH sees it and takes action on it if possible, it’s simply duckilicious!
September 18, 2007 at 10:40 pm
Mimi
uhm… don’t you mean “withIN” her trusted circle? At any rate, the paranoia is delicious ain’t it … who is it, Heidi? who is the mongoose scampering around there in the snakepit?
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Good catch, we edited it for them!
September 19, 2007 at 12:24 am
ixtapacheryl
Mimi: Don’t you mean Meerkat ….. On it’s hind legs always on the look-out …..
September 19, 2007 at 1:01 am
Selenabj
Well isn’t Tippy Toes just a vile piece of vermin. Who does that little idiot think she is?? Her psychological profile would probably be that of a poor homely little fat girl who had self esteem issues. Now, the Great and Powerful OZ comes to use her and she is basking in the glory of her greatness. Get real Miss Tippy. You are not powerful. You are a nothing among a group of nothings. I love this mentality- “hey SL, you are one smart cookie . THEY won’t be tricking you… ” oh yeah Miss Tippy?
When you come crawling back to your old forum, begging people to understand what a fool you were, I hope they turn their backs on you.
And then Big Kimmer makes her profound statement-
“Hard to believe this is how some people actually spend their day.”
Funny, that is exactly what I was thinking about you!!
Can anyone say POND SCUM??
September 19, 2007 at 1:51 am
Mimi
PS to Duckie and Leslie — I wasn’t criticizing or laughing at the typo … just wanted to add my two cents to the amusement re Heidi being unable — truly unable — to trust even those in her inner circle.
The thing is, she seems either unable or unwilling to “get” that the reason she can’t trust “friends” or enemies is her own fault.
September 19, 2007 at 3:28 am
Mimi
Mongoose. Snake’s worst enemy. Besides Ducks of course
September 19, 2007 at 4:58 am
count padunkadunk
Tippy how sad that you do not see what you have become. Maybe you have always been this way and I am just now seeing.
September 19, 2007 at 1:36 pm
Kim
Well, I was banned w/o a refund and didn’t post anything negative. I got banned for the BBB complaint so she still has some revising to do to get it right. Oh wait! If you sign up, the TOS is what it is when you sign up, not what she changes it to daily to cover her @$$. That’s like business law 101…and the lesson that we were all taught when we were 2 by our parents…you can’t change the rules after the game starts. Maybe Heidi was raised by wolves and never learned those lessons…it would explain a lot don’t you think?
September 20, 2007 at 3:05 am
Got my hip boots on
If you wanna see some real vileness you all should maybe look in the mirror and see the snarly wild-eyed hounds you have become. This isn’t about saving people, it’s about getting your rocks off hunting someone down. Pretty obvious to those of us who are still sane.
On Saturday, Kimkins Dangers reached out in a post to current staff, admins and members. It is an open letter worth repeating!
Dear Kimkins Staff, Forum Admins, Affiliates and Members,
Much has happened to Kimkins over the course of the last month, none of it good. Many loved and well respected members have fled the scene, Becky, Christin and Deni among them. All of them had their reasons and many of their reasons were the same. Please click on each name to read their own accounts of their time at Kimkins. Really. Read them. These are the stories of three women who had cheered for Kimmer and Kimkins for a long time. They had promoted the diet to their friends and others. They worked very closely with Kimmer to forge the foundations of the plan that you are now following and promoting to others. You need to understand why they left. They are not “haters”. They are not “jealous”. They are not Kimmer’s ex-business partner (and neither are we, fyi.). They truly believed in Kimkins and in Kimmer and you owe it to yourself to find out why they changed their minds.
In case you haven’t noticed, there has been a mass exodus of Kimkins members recently. Some of them voluntary, but many were banned for airing their opinions or asking questions that were uncomfortable for Kimmer. They are also not haters, nor are they jealous. They were paid, lifetime members that had concerns that Kimmer would not answer. They wanted to know, from Kimmer’s own words, if the bloggers and forum posts about Kimkins were true. They wanted to know if those pictures posted on slamboard really are of Kimmer now. They just wanted to know. Instead of answers, they were banned from accessing the site that they paid for. Why is that?
One of the new admins is now posting stories that this entire mess was begun by Catherine, Kimmer’s ex-business partner. We assure you that is not the case. We do not know Catherine, have never exchanged a single email with her or have had any contact with her at all. We know of her story, but that is it. We here at Kimkins Dangers are not jealous and we are not haters.
We are very worried about everyone that is on the Kimkins diet plans. We are worried about your health first and foremost, for even though you may not believe that the diet can be dangerous, there is ample information that says otherwise. Information that comes not from personal experience, though that is also available, but from medical studies, peer reviewed case histories and the like. Real, factual, honest evidence, not supposition and opinion.
We are also concerned for those Kimkins members, staff, admins and affiliates for the possible legal liability that they may soon face. The lawyer that is spearheading the class action lawsuit has now confirmed his involvement and has been sent reams of information and evidence pertaining to the Kimkins website, it’s owner and it’s staff.
We know that the California Office of the Foster Care Ombudsman is actively investigating the situation, specifically as it pertains to Heidi’s claims of foster children in her care and the subsequent fundraiser that ensued. The same member that began that fundraiser is now asking other members to partake in yet another fundraiser, though this time for diabetes, allegedly.
Other agencies, local, state and federal are likely to become involved in the near future. This again is not simply opinion, we state this as fact. We will not say anything more on this at this particular time to protect the parties involved and the work that is being done. But be assured, the work IS being done.
If you have been contemplating leaving the sinking ship that is Kimkins, now would be the time. We have read all of the excuses, the ones that say that it does not matter if Kimmer weighs 300 pounds or more, the ones that say it doesn’t matter if she’s lied about this, that or any other thing, the ones that insist the diet is safe and healthy, even the ones that say they aren’t doing the diet, but want to remain for the friendship and camaraderie of the forums. Whatever the reason, understand that the window of opportunity is closing and the time to leave is now.
It matters greatly that Kimmer weighs 300 pounds or more. She sold her plan based on her own claims of having lost 198 pounds in 11 months. This was not true. False claims have crippled companies much larger than Kimkins and they will bring Kimkins to it’s knees as well.
It matters greatly that Kimmer has lied about this, that and the other thing. The list of her lies is very long and growing every day. Integrity is something you should place a very high value on, not eschew in favor of a “quick fix” to your weight issue.
For those who are simply staying for the friendship and the forums, there are many other places you can go where you will be welcomed and supported, yes, even LCF. Active-LowCarber forums, Jimmy Moore’s forums, Amy/Curlygirl’s website, etc., etc. Please consider joining one of these communities as you will find many other ex-kimkins members there as well.
When Kimmer states that there is nothing more dangerous than being overweight, understand that this is not true. Read the stories of those who have suffered health problems as a result of following Kimmer’s diet plans here. Read the medical evidence that shows clearly why diets such as Kimkins are truly dangerous, not only in the short term, but also in the long term. You may not have any symptoms right now, but continue along that dangerous path, and you will very likely end up far worse off than you are now. Please do your research. Your health is not worth wasting simply to lose weight faster.
Many people say “but the diet works for me!” Well, of course it does, for awhile. Anyone that doesn’t eat more than 500-800 calories a day will lose weight, for awhile. They will see the scale dropping quickly, for awhile. They will slowly begin to see other problems cropping up. Hair loss, amenorrhea, dizziness, fainting, heart palpitations and other symptoms of malnutrition and dangerously rapid weight loss. Crack cocaine makes people lose weight quickly too, but you wouldn’t use that, would you?
Please, consider the information that is presented all over the web. Read the blogs. Read the forums. Do the research and discovered for yourself the truth that you so desperately need to know. Open your eyes and you will see.
Please do it now before it’s too late.
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Crack makes you lose weight quickly? Kimmer! What a great Idea! You can add a 6th option to Kimkins and make another boatload!
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September 18, 2007 at 6:03 pm
OddManOut
Have there been any responses from the current staff? I don’t expect them to speak out since they’re taking the lead from the boss herself, but there’s always a chance that one of them will break radio silence (and probably get banned haha).
One of the newest admins at Kimkins is Jeannie Baitinger, aka ‘Tippy Toes’ in the Kimkins forums and Low Carb Friends forums. For the purpose of keeping things simple here, we’ll refer to her as ‘Tippy’ throughout.
Tippy joined Low Carb Friends back in April 2004 when she started a low carbohydrate diet (Atkins) and weighed 263 pounds. Since that time she’s admittedly struggled to lose the weight desired and declared herself at goal on September 8, 2006 after losing 100 pounds. In the last year she’s maintained her weight between 150 and 155 pounds, alternating between Atkins and Kimkins. Why we make this an issue is that she recently wrote a positive 5 star review at the BBB for Kimkins, on September 7, 2007,
This is the BEST weight loss website I have been to yet! Thanks to Kimkins.com I have lost 112 lbs, have never been sick, got off blood pressure and cholesterol meds and I feel terrific! I have NEVER experienced anything but positive help from the site and I was NEVER told to use laxitives OR lower calories–ever.I cannot say enough good things about the website. I tried other weight loss plans and they did not work but that Kimkins sure did! And I have medical records and pictures to prove it. Just ask me for them.
Within the Low Carb Friends postings she’s made, it’s clear she did not follow Kimkins exclusively.
In fact, through her own posts at Low Carb Friends, we learn she lost 47 pounds following Atkins, stalled for six months, moved to South Beach, then Eat Fat Get Thin, then a Fruit Rotation regiment, then Kimkins, and then finally a rotation of Atkins and Kimkins.
Yet, in the above review she attributes her entire weight loss to Kimkins. This may well be because she was the featured weight loss success recently in the Kimkins newsletter (issue 20). In that feature she states she started with Atkins and then found Kimkins when her weight loss stalled, she was frustrated and “starving and felt terrible…I was desperate.” In that feature she also willingly states she alternates between Kimkins and Atkins. This fact is curious given Kimmer’s (Heidi Diaz) disdain for Atkins and its allowance for higher fat meats and dairy. When we review the situation, it is clearer why Kimmer is open to Tippy saying many of the things she does in her success story. Kimmer is losing staff left and right and needs to replace staffers fleeing her company and site. She knows one thing about Tippy, and that’s her long standing desire to be an Admin at Low Carb Friends, a position she is now more than willing to extend to Tippy now that she, Kimmer, is desperate.We recently learned that over the years Tippy has long desired a position of Admin at Low Carb Friends and has made this desire known to many close to her, including Kimmer prior to her departure from that forum.
Last year Tippy stirred up things on a weight loss challenge thread on Low Carb Friends by being very critical of the Low Carb Friends admins at the time. She made it known she believed she was qualified to be an Admin and when a position as one was not offered, she started passing along private information about the Low Carb Friends admins behind the scenes in emails and Private Messages in an attempt to turn them on each other. In those communications we are told she alluded to questionable behavior by the Low Carb Friends Admins at a pig roast in Tennessee she attended, allegations we will not detail here, but suffice to say included implications of inpropriety between Admins whom were not married to each other.
An attention junkie like Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) she spent months attempting to garner a position of Admin within Low Carb Friends to no avail, but her desire to be one continued.
As soon as Kimmer offered an Admin position to Tippy, she jumped at it and quickly told her friends, expressing her delight at the opportunity. We’re told she said she was thrilled by the “authority” Kimmer entrusted her with and also expressed a grand plan to completely revamp the Kimkins diet plans into something she believed would be healthier and much less objectionable to those concerned over the safety of the plans as currently written.
May we remind her she need only look as far as Becky to see such changes will not be tolerated by Kimmer. Read Becky’s Reasonable Appeal to make changes and Kimmer’s reply point by point.
What is more disturbing than her less than accurate BBB review however, is that she’s taken to doing Kimmer’s biding on Low Carb Friends. In a very recent post there, she laid the groundwork to instill doubts in the minds of those concerned about Kimkins and Kimmer by questioning not only the motivation of those engaging on the Facination thread, but also attempted to lay blame for the entire situation on one individual, former business partner Catherine (whose husband is releasing details of that partnership at Slamboard).
Her post, titled Are We Being Used, includes the following,
Just a thought. Notice the person who started this thread is a junior member (meaning newly registered) and does not continue to post? Notice so many junior members coming in now? It is easy to assume they are from Kimkins site BUT I wonder about the truth in that assumption for many reasons. One, I recall Catherine telling X LCF members how easily identity can change so they could come back without admins knowing it was them… Cutie–remember that? Two, I notice the junior members seem computer savvy enough to post info and pics I would not have a clue about myself… Now I am not saying every single junior member here is ficticious. But I think many may be. Tom, can you check out this possibility?Is it possible this whole thing has been created by the ex biz partner, who is clearly mad as heck? Also, keep in mind it is the same creator of slamboards and…perhaps Ducky? Oddly enough, Catherine admits it was her idea to start a website for Kimkins–not Kimmers. So I don’t think Kimmer spent countless hours here plotting but I think Catherine did. Also, Catherine just thought Kimkins was a wonderful plan and fully endorsed and followed it, according to her. Until the partnership disolved, that is. Now it can kill you…WTH?
And the Kimkins survivors blogs… Are they real? How do we know? And the 14 year old–was that real?
The threats to anyone who is a moderator for her site–threats of fraud and lawsuits… A bully tactic for sure to intimidate them into walking out. The claims of KimATC being 50 lbs over weight…How rude was that, asking her how that Kimkins diet was working out? In fact, that statement points that Kimkins doesn’t work and we have established it does. We all have weight problems which is why we diet. The pressure is on–but by whom? The reasons seem pretty obvious.
Don’t get me wrong. I KNOW there are some of those people here in a genuine manner. I know a couple of you from her site and I know you had concerns (even if you are ALL at goal now thanks to her diet). I do not agree with cutting calories further in the event of a stall either. But perhaps Kimmer was in the learning process herself and it was a bad decision, or mistake. And maybe Kimmer did gain weight back and won’t tell. Take a good look around this site. How many people have gained their weight back and refuse to remove the skinny avitor pics and change stats accordingly? I think many of us are guilty for that.
Are we all puppets on a string being manipulated by a raging X partner?
We know in the past Kimmer has taken to manipulating situations to motivate individuals to do things they might not do on their own. An example of such behaviour in the past is the January 2007 blog by Jimmy Moore, where he attacked Low Carb Friends and did so in a scathing and vicious manner. He’s since retracted that post, but our memory is long here and we’ve been told that Kimmer’s input was indeed the impetus for that post.
It’s interesting that many of the points Tippy brought to her post at Low Carb Friends are now the same points Kimmer is trying deperately to convince her members of within the Kimkins forums. It appears much of Tippy’s post contents were scripted by Kimmer. Tippy seems unaware of the manipulative instincts of Kimmer and may not realize how she too is now being used by her as a means to an end.We ask this, Tippy how could you associate yourself with Kimmer given all the facts now in the public view?
EDITED TO ADD
We’d like to remind readers that this is the same Tippy Toes who organized the fundraiser for Kimmer’s (Heidi Diaz) phantom foster children last summer. Tippy accepted the position of Admin after revelation of the fact Heidi Diaz has no foster children and has not had foster children in her care since at least 2000.
