Kimkins is Toxic

26 09 2007

The Kimkins forums can only, at this point in time, be called toxic.

Last night’s display of unbridled rage underscored the growing anger Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) feels as the truth is seeping out for all to see. In what many speculate was a drunken tear by Kimmer, under the guise of a new user name, members were given front row seats to really see how the once supportive forum is damaged beyond repair, how the environment reeks with hate toward anyone speaking the truth, including those members who remain within the site.

Members who paid for membership, who paid for access, who paid for a supportive environment online are finding themselves in the crosshairs; targets to be attacked at any hint they question the plans, the founder or their own experience within the forums. Members asking questions or offering up suggestions for improvement are quickly derided, dismissed and declared unworthy to be among the true believers, told to leave and go elsewhere if they won’t behave and blindly regurgitate the party-line.

When a member asked about calorie limits, Wonderwoman replied,

What limits? What are you talking about? Why not call your doctor if you’re so scared? Or if you’re not doing Kimkins then go away?

My cousin had RouxY gastric reconstruction for obesity and she ate less than anybody here. What’s the danger? What are you afraid of? If you do Weight Watchers with frozen tv dinners you’re healthy? Aren’t they loaded to the gills with carbs? Yeah. Nutritious.

When another member openly suggested a listing of potential health risks and side effects for new members, after reading Deni’s blog entry, her intentions were questioned by admin tarvosK,

I would like to ask the original poster what the purpose of posting this blog entry was? Is there some reason for posting yet more negativity about the plan?

Did this person have success on the plan? It appears so and then they left for whatever reason, as is their right. However I have to wonder about people that involve themselves in something like KK and then when they have gotten the results they wanted, go running off and start bashing it to the rest of the world. It seems to me that there is just something very odd about that, but then I have never been one to really follow the pack that much anyway, so I won’t be running off anywhere to tell people how evil and life threatening this plan is.

Notice tarvosK avoids the issue, potential health risks, and focuses back to fast weight loss as ideal and suggests those who have fled the site and are speaking out have alterior motives, according to him, there is no danger with Kimkins diet plans.

When yet another member dared to suggest posting potential side effects for new members to read and understand, admin Tippytoes stepped to admonish her with,

I am curious since I see you posting the possibility of negativity and doubt across the boards today… What does YOUR Doctor think?

Another member had the audacity to ask about carbohydrate intake after attending a class on nutrition, being told women require 100 grams of carbohydrate each day. Rather than explain gluconeogenesis or point her to articles about meeting glucose requirements while following a low carb diet, she was told by Wonderwoman,

If you’re in danger from not eating carbs, shouldn’t be you at the emergency room? On life support? Or crawling along in weight loss because you really wanted to add carbs and have given yourself permission under a self induced guise? Sign up for the group “yeah I did Kimkins and didn’t lose”.

These examples, and others we could provide, clearly highlight how dysfunctional the site now. Such abuse of members is not only tolerated, but expected; not only from admins, but between member to member.

It is a place where only those emotionally damaged souls really want to stay and want to remain so they can continue to feed on the punishment.

No emotionally healthy person will tolerate such abuse daily, nor willingly continue to remain so they can witness such abuse directed at others. Within Kimkins there is an illness, a sickness so prevalent and contagious, so toxic; an emotional dysfunction so damaging it makes the diet plans look sane.

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Ban Button Happy SingingLass

24 09 2007

Over at theTRUTH we are provided more insights on the banning of paid members at the Kimkins forums,
SingingLass wrote:

Reesie has not posted anything negative directly on this site….BUT, she is over at LCF, and today she was giving people the stats of when Kimmer was last on, posted, and all that….so, is doing “mole” activities.

I have not banned her as of yet, thought I would run it by the two of you first.

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That particular private message speaks of the continued surveillance of paid members of Kimkins when they post on forums outside the Kimkins forums. Yes, they’re watching you if you’re a member of Kimkins and if they’ve figured out who you are elsewhere!

Also, theTRUTH’s post includes an exchange between the admin Lasttime4me and Kimmer. You can read that here

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September 24, 2007 at 4:56 pm

ban kimmer

I just love the fact that this guy is one of the authorities on the site but he doesn’t know what’s on the diet? That’s flipping hilarious! Wat to go. Also do they not realize that “computer problems/will be fixed in a week” is Heidi speak for, I can’t long on cuz I am packing so STOP pming me. Wow.

September 24, 2007 at 5:14 pm

Me

No, she wants emails instead of PM’s so that they don’t keep getting posted.

Paranoid some Hidey?

September 24, 2007 at 8:19 pm

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September 24, 2007 at 10:24 pm

WOW

who ithe hell would want to pay for a site where they go around the internet and try to find you on other sites to spy on you???….Paranoid much..Geeezus!





Getting to Know tarvosK

24 09 2007

While most of the admins at Kimkins find working for or with a charlatan not only offensive, but carries potential legal liabilities, some dig their heels in and are staying for the ride.Today we’ll get to know one such admin, tarvosk. In real life he’s Vincent (Vince), born March 8th, 1961, so he’s not someone who is young and naive here. He resides in Traverse City, Michigan with his fiance Darlene (Kimkins user name Kaiala).

He’s unemployed and has been for years, despite receiving employment offers to make him a gainfully employed member of society. Instead he spends much of his time idling away in classes at Northwestern, taking an occassional gig to make some money rather than work full-time.He’s quite a character too. Weighing 408 pounds in recent posts, he’s actually abandon eating the low calorie Kimkins diet, much preferring the quick and convenient food that’s available for grab and go as he visits his fiance in the hospital.

Not only that, he likens himself to a dominant in a submissive-dominant relationship and considers his fiance his property, unworthy and inferior to him.Yes, his fiance, who weighs 367 pounds, is in the hospital with kidney complications from an infection. Of course he insists it cannot be related to the diet they’ve been following all this time, K/E, which is very low calorie, very low in nutrients and thus lower immunity to infections. That he refuses to see the connection between her diet and her health problems speaks volumes about his belief he is superior and knows better than she. Still, let’s not forget, it’s worth noting again, he abandon the diet himself. Kimmer is truly culling the bottom these days if she is resorting to using admins with such penchant for domination over others. Though, it seems such thinking must be a pre-requisite these days at Kimkins since members continue to ask questions and keep waking up to the fact that Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) is a liar.

This tarvosK admin should know he may be implicated in criminal and/or civil charges should he remain a loyal servant of Kimmer. And that of course is the real irony here, he is her servant, doing her dirty work, blindly obeying her commands. Ain’t life grand?

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September 24, 2007 at 5:27 pm

La Mesa

Funny he is supposed to be the ‘dominate one’ in his relationship….and yet…somehow…..he ends up being Heidi’s bitch!

September 24, 2007 at 5:47 pm

ban kimmer

Son of a bitch La Mesa! I was drinking when I read that. You are an ass! In the best possible way that is 😉 Holy crap that was some funny shit right there!

September 24, 2007 at 5:48 pm

doggygirl

Good one La Mesa!

Whew. If T’s partner has TRULY and WILLINGLY chosen a particular lifestyle, then ……enjoy…..I guess. If K is NOT willingly choosing this…then….. Wow. It’s so hard to tell (IMO) with the whole dominant / submissive lifestyle thing because from many miles away, who knows whether the submissive is choosing this or not – REALLY. But there is little doubt that T is submitting to Kimmer…..

Mean time, if K wants out of this thing with T, I hope she somehow asks for help from her hospital bed. There are just no words for this stuff….

At [url=http://doggygirl.wordpress.com]Doggygirl’s Dog House[/url] I am taking nominations for NEXT person to go into the dog house. Feel free to stop by and nominate T or somebody else. By the way…the actual DOGS in the dog house eat really, really well. Visit my blog to see what the people in the dog house get to eat!

DG

September 24, 2007 at 5:53 pm

Me

LOL @ LaMesa! Being Heidi’s bitch is good practice for later when he will be Bubba’s bitch in jail!

September 24, 2007 at 6:06 pm

Kim

LaMesa that is a classic!

How can something not click when you’re lying in a hospital bed with kidney complications? I’m pretty sure the hospital isn’t letting her follow the Kimkins plan while she’s in there….which should tell her something.

September 24, 2007 at 6:12 pm

Tam (Kimkins refugee)

It doesn’t surprise me that one of Kimmer’s top administrators doesn’t follow her diet …. look at Kimmer. She doesn’t either! And for that matter, neither does Tippy! Or that Othlia person.

In fact, does ANYBODY in administration over there follow the Kimkins WOE?

September 24, 2007 at 6:37 pm

The Princess Dieter

Tam, I am guffawing. It’s so true. None of the toppers are doing Kimkins! How funny is that? They’re fighting so hard to protect the plan, and they’re not even on the plan.

SNARF!!!

The Princess

September 24, 2007 at 7:09 pm

Reingold

Does Kimmer have anyone on staff that isn’t a societal deviant at this point?

SingingLass doesn’t pay her student loans and like Kimmer, laughs about it. She thinks she’s a psychic too?

tarvosK is some prevert.

Tippytoes is complete scum.

Kimmer is a fat obese blubber-butt peddling diet advice she herself can’t follow?

Did I miss anyone?

September 24, 2007 at 7:14 pm

wifezilla

Hey! Some of my best friends are social deviants….but they are not lairs or thieves or other form of scumbag like Kimmer and TT. Stop insulting the mentally interesting by comparing them to Heidi and her henchmen!

September 24, 2007 at 8:16 pm

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September 24, 2007 at 8:17 pm

too bad kimmer

How do we know SingingLass doesn’t pay her student loans?

September 24, 2007 at 8:40 pm

The Princess Dieter

As someone who loved her college years and who values education for all sorts of reasons, and who wants the colleges and universities of this fine nation to thrive and be the best they can be, I surely can say that loan scoffers piss me off big time.

It’s abusive. Someone always has to pay. Student loan skippers leave ALL THE REST OF US to pay.

May they get really bad hemorrhoids…the lot of them…and never be able to sit in peace.

So there.
The Princess has spoken…make it so!

September 24, 2007 at 8:52 pm

Kim

I am right there with you on that one Princess! I work w/ attorneys who have skipped out on their loans, or defer, defer, defer. It makes me sick! We pay extra every month just to try to get them paid off!!! And together, we’re not making what these attorneys are.

September 24, 2007 at 9:17 pm

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September 24, 2007 at 10:09 pm

Singinglass

I do pay my student loans, and my taxes. Please try not to make assumptions. I also am following the kimkins plan…with the approval of two different doctors. So yes, there are admins following the plan.

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Where is the pound a day promise with your weight loss Lassie?

September 25, 2007 at 1:18 pm

JenX

That guy sounds DISGUSTING. Gross.
Then again they all do–birds of a feather. Of course in this case the birds are vultures.

September 26, 2007 at 4:33 pm

LDub

OK, it just gets better about Tarvosk…. he just posted on KK that he and his fiance are practicing Wiccan’s… which to mere mortals means…. they both think they are witches! Oh, it just keeps ketting weirder and weirder over there!





Public Reason to Ban Versus Private Reason

21 09 2007

If fifilarue, a banned Kimkins member, is wondering what happened, here you go:

Username fifilarue

Banned YES

Ban Type chat/forum

Ban ending time

YYYY-MM-DD HH:MM 2025-09-13 14:56:37

Public Reason

Viewable Public reason of ban

Tos Violation

Private Reason

Admin Viewable Private reason of ban: Visit theTRUTH for the reason!





SingingLass the Sycophant

21 09 2007

If wanna_be_thin wonders why she was banned so quickly at Kimkins, here you go:

SingingLass wrote:

Just a wierd post by this one in the cafe titles ” First Ammendment” and a one-liner statement I will post below. Maybe didn’t say much, but the intent is pretty obvious.

first ammendment 2 Minutes ago

Allegations that diet is unsafe and there is a class action lawsuit.

Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) wrote:

Ban her and I’ll kick her off.

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Read more at theTRUTH.

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For your learning pleasure,

Sycophant
In modern English, the term has come to mean one who seeks to please people in positions of authority or influence in order to gain power themselves, usually at the cost of pride, principles, and peer respect.





More Admin Private Messages Exposed

19 09 2007

From theTRUTH and their undercover operations!

In response to a member’s unhappiness with having posts/PMs at kimkins copied elsewhere:

Kimmer wrote:

HAND TO GOD I never repeated anything you said to me, anything you wrote to me. Not to Becky (we haven’t talked in 2.5 months). I had NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS!

Haven’t talked to Becky in 2.5 months? Not according to all the previous Admins involved in that famous exchange of emails in August!

I would never, ever suspect you of anything. I am VERY UPSET that someone betrayed your trust and would stoop to something like this.

We are getting offers for “volunteer” admins from everywhere now. I’m not adding anybody. I feel horrible JUST HORRIBLE about this. What’s worse is I can’t make this up to you. I can’t “fix” it.

If you remember from PMs, there’s an “admin” feature and you CAN read other PMs. I don’t, that’s like reading someone’s diary in my book — but we had admins resign recently who seem to be double agents. [Scoble?] [Pretty Paula?]

When tech support comes on I’m going to ask that Admin feature be disabled for PMs for everyone, but that won’t help in your situation.

Meanwhile, for ultimate privacy, email me directly at webmaster@kimkins.com. No one reads those but me. I feel sooooo bad.

Scoble? PrettyPaula? Guess not. Keep trying.

That member responded, and then Kimmer replied again.

Kimmer wrote:

. . .I got the tech guys to figure out how to turn off “admin mode” for PMs and they did, so now no one can read anyone’s PMs. Too late for you, but better than nothing.

I feel badly about this. Don’t worry about me, I’ve been fighting the anti-Kimmer for almost 10 years.

:kiss:
K.

PLEASE NOTE: All these PMs (and those to follow) were read and copied by using “Admin Mode” AFTER Kimmer so earnestly and sweetly told this “useful” member that “Admin Mode” allowing admins to read all PMs had been turned off. I’ll post more on this tomorrow.

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Re:Nice Try

maureen61 wrote:

Enough already!

I just wanted to stop by and thank you for defending the site actions on this seemingly never ending trail of postings about the deletion of a journal. Please make everyone play nicely. The negativity is really having an impact. I have always relied on this site to keep me upbeat……not feeling it so much anymore. Your energy, on the other hand, is quite refreshing.

SingingLass wrote:

Thank you hun. I have now locked that thread because the conversation was not moving forward, but rather the same couple of people kept trying to stir things/ ignore the explanations that were honestly provided. No reason to allow things to be negative or build in that direction. We are doing our best to keep this a safe place, and I am really sorry that things are a bit edgy at the moment. All of this should blow over eventually though.

::hugs:: ~ del

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September 19, 2007 at 7:24 pm

OddManOut

I thought kimmer or one of her minions posted a long time back that she did not have time to read all her emails so she had someone else doing it.

September 19, 2007 at 7:25 pm

wow

Dear Heidi,

Please refrain from using my name while spreading your lies and deception.

Thank you,
God

September 19, 2007 at 7:28 pm

Scoble

Heheeeee—–Heidi no double agent here….LOL….try again my dear. I just read your PMs to figure out who the REAL you is and I SURE found out too! The Kimpire is crumbling isn’t it? And you have no clue where the moles are to exterminate ‘em…….heheeeeeee.

September 19, 2007 at 7:43 pm

Kim

Is anybody else getting a good laugh from thinking of Heidi’s expression anytime anybody knocks on her door?

September 19, 2007 at 10:39 pm

katinsac

If you remember from PMs, there’s an “admin” feature and you CAN read other PMs. I don’t, that’s like reading someone’s diary in my book —

Heidi…the above is a blaitant (sp) lie!! You read my PMs in June and even sent me a PM where you made comments in reference to it…however, you again tried to say you “would never do that” but quoted things that were only in the PM!!

Hopefully, soon, you will have time to write your own diary!!

September 20, 2007 at 12:00 am

Ginger

Does anyone know what forum software they use? I know that vBulletin does NOT have an option to read PMs, though it can be intentionally hacked to allow it. I install forum software as part of my job, and I’m not aware of any forum software that has a built in option to read PMs. I could be wrong, I just have never seen it. I believe they DO read them, but her comments would lead you to believe it’s a normal admin function. It’s not normal. I’m also aware of another website that got into a lot of legal trouble over reading PMs, since there was no disclosure that PRIVATE Messages could or would be accessed, and privacy was implied as it is with email.





Getting to Know SingingLass

19 09 2007

SingingLass is yet another staunchly loyal admin at Kimkins. Since it’s apparent she has no plans to leave the sinking ship today, we thought we’d add her profile at this time.

SingingLass’ name is Delaney. She’s frequented many message boards prior to joining Kimkins. In fact, she was a prolific poster at Low Carb Friends until a few months ago. Her last post in that forum was June 26, 2007.

Yesterday she scurried around the internet editing content of posts made back in 2002 when she started posting online and happened to reveal a tragedy in her teen years. We are not making light of this incident, but are including it only to show that she is well aware of what she is currently doing inside Kimkins and that her past posts remain fair game in all this.

The cache of her original posts remains. It may help explain her pathology in all of this with Kimkins. We’ve included it for accuracy, not entertainment and are truly sorry she had to experience such a violation in her youth.

While she’s singing the praises of Kimkins these days, she has had health complications while on the diet.

Well, despite how little I have been eating….not only did I not lose anything the last four days, but it shows me as being a pound up. ::sniffle::

I have been really sluggish today…got up for a couple hours then fell back asleep at noon for almost another four, and STILL feel tired. My legs are also very sore, at first I was what the….then remembered I spent several hours sitting in a folded kneel position yesterday while putting together the photo board. Headachey too. I guess just everything that has been going on and rushing around, lack of sleep ect……would have felt better if I had seen some weight loss though.

In a hair forum online she was scolded by the moderators for her unbelievable advice about hair loss.

But, what we find rather amusing is that in her profile she includes among her occupation(s) ‘Psychic Consultant’, which may explain her rather bizarre rants in private messages and private admin forum posts with Kimmer.

There you have it, some history on the one and only SingingLass who is quick to ban and remains at Kimkins. As we have for the other admins, we’re issuing a reminder that remaining on staff with Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) may be considered aiding and abetting.

Perhaps you should leave now SingingLass?

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For those wondering, yes, we are working on profiles for each of the remaining admins.

Unless of course they jump outta there before we get to post the profile!

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EDITED to remove textual context of sites SingingLass is deleting content from. If one wants to read the cache it is here, but it a tragedy for any teen girl.

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September 19, 2007 at 8:13 pm

Kim

I’m not discounting anything she’s gone through in her past – it sounds horrible. But it seems obvious by her own words that she wants/needs to feel needed and Heidi is undoubtedly giving her what she needs in that category. We all know Heidi could care less about her and is just using her…hopefully she’ll see this and realize that it’s time to leave.

September 19, 2007 at 8:20 pm

Singinglass

1. Posting someone’s tragedy like that, let alone something that occurred to a child… as a form of entertainment is down right low, wrong, if not sick. That has nothing to do with any of this or kimkins. Shame on anyone associated with someone who would stoop to such measures.

2.The post taken out of context about not eating much…was because my grandmother had just passed away and I was GRIEVING, and staying with family where low carb choices were limited. The photo board mentioned was constructed for my grandmother’s memorial.

3. That hair board thing was actually some post someone else made copying what was put up here at kimkins exposed, which was a twisted version of my original post on kimkins that was taken out of context .

While you are at it, how about drag around through the mud that I have two degrees after putting myself through college, and am a formally trained opera singer. I am sure people will find lots of fault there. 🙂

To anyone who uses my childhood experiences as entertainment, humor, or message board fodder…please think of your own daughters, sisters…mothers, your own experiences, and how you would feel for them to be put on display in such a callous manner. Regardless of what is going on with kimkins, I would hope and think that others out there would agree that is no where appropriate and request it be removed and kept out of this.

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Delaney, you should be fully aware we did not include the cached copy of your words for entertainment. The Kimkins situation is not entertainment, it is fraud and you are aiding and abetting a criminal in her enterprise. That’s a felony. Think about it.

We are sorry for what happened to you as a teen.

September 19, 2007 at 8:36 pm

Singinglass

Additionally….I just wanted to add, that the post being displayed detailing childhood experiences and PTSD was over five years ago during a difficult time. For anyone concerned, I have long since dealt with those issues, and am at present very content with myself and my life….in fact, I am very proud of the things I have accomplished for myself against those kind of odds. I still however think, using that kind of information in this context is wrong and is a violation of anyone who has had experiences of that nature.

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Are you proud of your work at Kimkins?

Are you proud of how you’re treating members who paid good money to be there?

Are you proud you’re aiding and abetting a criminal?

Are you proud you too may be indicted for your role in this situation?

September 19, 2007 at 8:39 pm

too bad kimmer

SingingLass when you join with fraud and help to commit a felony, EVERYTHING about you gets known to the world. That is how things work. If you don’t think that the prosecutor is going to pull this stuff up and use it on you, then you are terribly naive. Please leave the fraud behind so you don’t go to jail too. Make no mistake about it what Heidi has done is a felony.

September 19, 2007 at 8:39 pm

Kim

Uh, SingingLass – first of all, I don’t know if anybody was laughing and secondly, YOU posted it on a public chat room on the internet…any expectation of privacy there was gone long ago.

AND you should be ashamed of yourself, regardless of your past, in backing and continuing to assist a crook like Heidi in what she is doing. Did the “yelling” at a 14 year old girl who obviously had an ED bring out the same response in you? No, you kept defending Heidi, the site and that WOE.

So while you rant about how what was posted has nothing to do with Kimkins, half of what you posted has nothing to do with it either. Your education and training have nothing to do with posting what you do on that site.

I personally was on a post with you when you gave out advice to someone asking about an ulcer and told them to eat the yogurt to coat their stomach. Your degrees aren’t in medicine because any dr. would cringe at that advice.

You need to wake up and realize what’s going on and quit defending a crook…you will go down with her for doing her dirty work and the judge won’t care about your past…just about what you’ve done to further Heidi and her scams. You are her puppet and it’s so sad that you don’t even realize it. Take 2 minutes and step back from the situation, you’ll see it for yourself.

September 19, 2007 at 8:43 pm

Harlow

U guys r ridiculous. Give it up.KImmer rox. And she will be posting new pics and adding a webcam.
So bite it.

September 19, 2007 at 8:47 pm

Concerned about kimkins

“am a formally trained opera singer.”

Guess this gives new music to “It ain’t over till the fat lady sings?”

September 19, 2007 at 8:47 pm

Concerned about kimkins

I meant meaning. Oops

September 19, 2007 at 8:47 pm

Becky/Littlebit

Delaney – I am sorry for your past abuse and I certainly do agree that your childhood traumas should not have been dragged out into a larger arena than you were comfortable in sharing it originally. You should not be re-victimized, and i am upset about that. Shame, Ducky!!!

But, I have to tell you, in all honesty and compassion, that Heidi/Kimmer is playing you, and using you, and making you her victim in this scenario. Believe me, I know those games all too well. She is bringing you close so she can use and then discard you. She is an abuser. You are being re-victimized.

PLEASE, Delaney – you know I have gone to bat for you, and supported you in the past. I am not against you. i am BEGGING you to step back, take another look, and step away. PLEASE do not go down this road another step. It will not end well!

Ask yourself – Why did we all leave, Delaney? We had NOTHING to gain, and plenty to lose, in walking away from our friends, our support, and, for some of us, our income, too. What did we see that you haven’t seen yet?

I’d say give it time, and you’ll see it, too. But, Delaney, you may not have that time. PLEASE listen to that part of you that wonders what you have gotten yourself into, and whispers that something is not right.

You don’t need her. And, in fact, she does not need you. By the time you are out the door, she will have replaced you without another thought. You are merely an interchangeable object, her means to an end.

You are smart, and you’ve already survived a lot. You are better than this. You don’t need this. Walk away.

September 19, 2007 at 8:48 pm

Concerned about kimkins

Harlow you are a tard.

September 19, 2007 at 8:49 pm

shelby

Wow, your tune sure changes when YOU are the one on the defensive. I have seen your posts where you are very nasty to people asking for help.
If you post something on the INTERNET of all places, people read it, it is public domain. It sounds to me that you and Heidi seem to be the ones that are ‘entertained’ talking about members in PMs or on the admin board, and speaking derogatorily about them as well. Not much fun when the shoe is on the other foot is it?

September 19, 2007 at 8:50 pm

Scoble

I did not find this anything like “entertainment”. On the contrary it let’s people see why you are doing what you are doing. I have something like you experienced in my past and I know firsthand how it can affect our thinking, our perception of ourselves and the need we have to feel of value. Which is the ONLY reason I can see the need you seem to have at defending what is going on over their. Your prose make you appear to be an intelligent woman, but yet you are still there defending, aiding and abetting an obvious fraud. And what is worse, you don’t seem to mind it at all. And that is also what is so sad. And shame on you for sticking up for her and helping her with her agenda. In the end, she will take you down with her and she won’t even think twice. What a tragedy that is to add to your life as well.

September 19, 2007 at 8:51 pm

Maggie

SingingLass….Delaney…..I truly am sorry you had that happen to you as a teenager. It does leave me wondering though….the word Ducky used….your pathology now……could it be that you now feel a lot of control by being a kk admin? could it be that you’re somehow using it to feel better about yourself?

Please Delaney, leave Kimkins before you wind up arrested with Heidi!

September 19, 2007 at 8:54 pm

theTRUTH

Delaney,
I too think it goes too far to widen the audience of your past trauma. I feel sorry for you in that regard, but I am glad you have dealt with those issues.

Please listen to Becky. I have more of your PMs, but I won’t need to post them tomorrow if you can see the light. I’m not trying to blackmail you, here. I just don’t want to do it if I don’t have to.

September 19, 2007 at 8:58 pm

too bad kimmer

Delaney – listen to Becky, she’s trying to tell you something important. We can’t say it enough FELONY FELONY FELONY FELONY FELONY FELONY

September 19, 2007 at 8:59 pm

La Mesa

Hey shes an opera singer……Sing for us as heidi’s ship sinks!

September 19, 2007 at 8:59 pm

another curious onlooker

Becky, once again, well said. You truly are a caring and compassionate person. You understand how to get your point across with out insulting, which shows intelligence and maturity.

Concerned about kimkins, you should take a lesson. “tard?” Are you 12? A statement like that only shows ignorance. Of course, we can’t all come across as eloquently as Becky.

September 19, 2007 at 8:59 pm

LCer

I can’t speak for others, but I don’t see how anyone here sees SingingLass’s tragedy as entertainment. What it does do is provide some background as to why she seemingly enjoys the power of being an admin, someone who has control over others and can do to them what she wants.

I think it’s really hard for her to step back and see that she’s not very nice in the Kimkins forums and that she’s treating many, many people badly.

And we all know if you don’t want something public, don’t post it on the internet in a name you’ll be recognized under. Better yet, don’t post it online at all!

SingingLass, as others have begged you, it’s time for you to really look at all of this and realize we are not “haters,” nor are we “jealous,” nor are we trying to foil yours or anyone else’s weight loss. No, we’re trying to bring a criminal to justice and you happen to be in the way!

September 19, 2007 at 9:02 pm

La Mesa

2 degrees and you are still dumb enough to work for heidi???

September 19, 2007 at 9:07 pm

Concerned about kimkins

Sorry curious, I should have said? Moron? Harlow, if serious, just stated that Heidi is going to do a web cam show and really show us all that she’s for real. If you believe that you are mentally bereft. Sorry. I will concede that tard was a bit childish. I will go for dense next time if that suits you.

September 19, 2007 at 9:17 pm

feeling crapped on

I really doubt that anyone is “laughing” at what happened to you or is being “entertained” by it. Paranoid much?

Touting your successes to me is useless. I don’t care what you’ve done in the past. I care about what you are doing now.

September 19, 2007 at 9:25 pm

La Mesa

Naw…I’d go with Tard for both Harlow and Curious at this point!

September 19, 2007 at 9:32 pm

Mir

I, too, can vouch that reading about SingingLass’s past pains made me SYMPATHIZE, not laugh. That, however, doesn’t excuse her facilitating a sociopathic scammer.

I hope, I really hope, SinglingLass leaves Kimkins and moves to another forum with low-carbers who are doing it sanely, safely, well, and without the controlling con-artist behavior of Heidi Diaz.

I can’t believe ANYONE thought that was posted to ridicule. Maybe it wasn’t the best call Ducky made, but I don’t think it was malicious.

I do think Heidi is malicious, and SingingLass’ aiding and abetting makes her part of the “bad guys”. Stop it, SL. Just quit.

Mir

September 19, 2007 at 9:34 pm

JenX

LMFAO @ it ain’t over till the fat lady sings. Truly.

September 19, 2007 at 9:36 pm

OddManOut

If she’s a psychic, she’s not very good is she? She should have seen Kimmertanic sinking a long time ago.

September 19, 2007 at 9:44 pm

kimkinssmith

The tragedies of the past never excuse the trespasses of the now.

Delaney. So many people love you and care about you at LCF and other places. You are important beyond labels and administrative buttons.

Those whispers in your ear are being made with poison lips.

Please come home.

September 19, 2007 at 9:47 pm

another curious onlooker

La Mesa…do you realize how ignorant you sound?

Do you know anyone, personally, who is mentally retarded? Throwing around the term “tard” is rude and offensive. I work with mentally retarded (mild, moderate, & severe) people every day. A mentally retarded person is not at fault for how they were born. Using the term “tard” is as bad as saying “that’s gay.” Or, do you have a problem with homosexuals as well? Who’s next? Blacks? People of Polish decent? Jewish people?

Why is it some people can’t get their point across without being rude?

September 19, 2007 at 9:47 pm

Down with Kimkins!

Okay I missed the post. Can someone point me in the correct direction of:

If one wants to read the cache it is here

Where is here? I think my comp is a lttle outdated!

Sorry to sound so obtuse.

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Doh! Link is now at the text ‘it is here’.

September 19, 2007 at 9:49 pm

Kim

Delaney, Becky speaks very wise words. She is not capable of friendship. She is using you, like she used the rest of us. PLEASE read and re-read, and then read again what Becky posted above.

September 19, 2007 at 9:50 pm

antikimkinslblogspot.com

Nobody’s laughing, its tragic – but hey, you lie down with dogs, etc. etc. Seeiing how nasty StingingLass has been to the poor victims at Kimkins, I have ZERO sympathy for her. I say, everything is fair game. She sure was laughing behind the scenes with that evil criminal Heidi while they made fun of the members and planned to hurt them. But oh, you don’t like it when its YOU on the hot seat!

I say SINK HER right along with Kimmer!! Birds of a feather should drown together!

I’ll save my compassion for those innocent folks being scammed by Heidi and Stinginglass and TipsyToes!

September 19, 2007 at 9:52 pm

Sweetie

SingingLass- I am so sorry for all the bad in your life and I am happy to hear that over the past 5 years you have been able to overcome it. i’m sorry, but I do agree with Ducky on the point of being an admin makes you feel needed. I don’t agree that your story should have been posted here, but YOU did post it for the whole world to see. I was still on the Kimkins boards when you first became an admin and you do take your “position” way to far and serious. I do hope for all the wrong you are doing that you are atleast getting paid. (Not saying getting paid makes it right). I too hung on after all the contraversy (sp) first strted hoping Kimmer would prove all the anti-kimkinners wrong, but she didn’t and want. She doesn’t even try to defend herself.

You where so quick to jump in about how wrong it is to post your life, so plese jump in here and tell us what you think is Kimmers side. Did she lose weight? Does she have foster kids? Is she a fraud? Are you going down with her? Why isn’t she defending herself when she knows there are lawsuites agianst her? And please be as bold as you are on the kimkins site when you are banning people for having questions.

September 19, 2007 at 9:53 pm

antikimkinslblogspot.com

It’s funny to me how you can talk about being a child of God in your confession, but you join in with treating people like crap and scamming them along with a con artist. How do you think God feels about THAT, StingingLass?

September 19, 2007 at 9:54 pm

Sweetie

Oh Down with Kimkins- Click on that statement

“If one wants to read the cache it is here”

It’ll take you to it.

September 19, 2007 at 10:08 pm

Keeping Secrets

Delaney, you know what it feels like to fight hard to tell the truth about something that is happening only to be silenced, right?

Please look hard at your actions. You are inadvertently helping an abuser silence her victims and witnesses about her abuse of their trust. When you grow up in a dysfunctional family it feels natural and safe to keep secrets, but you aren’t helping to make Kimkins.com a safe place. You’re helping the abuser continue to betray and exploit more people.

September 19, 2007 at 10:15 pm

WatchingFromHere

Cached pages get updated and are lost, but the Way Back Machine pages aren’t lost. You can even pick your return date.

http://www.archive.org/index.php

September 19, 2007 at 10:18 pm

Janice

Does SingingLass have Ducky on speed dial or what? How long was the post up before she added her first comment? It couldn’t have been long, the first comment was only seven minutes before she posted something!

And SingingLass, no what happened to you is not at all funny or entertaining, but it does shed some light on your actions and reactions in the Kimkins site.

Do you even regret how you treated that 14-yo now?

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From the point we released the post live until SingingLass commented was 19 minutes. Interesting observation Janice! Definitely speaks volumes about how often they’re visiting here.

September 19, 2007 at 10:25 pm

theTRUTH

From the point we released the post live until SingingLass commented was 19 minutes. Interesting observation Janice! Definitely speaks volumes about how often they’re visiting here.

Or, maybe she is psychic…

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Oh yeah, that’s the ticket!

September 19, 2007 at 10:26 pm

Gaynell

Becky (littlebit) ~ that was a beautiful heart-touching post. If Singing Lass does not step down after reading that, I’m terribly afraid her heart has turned as stone cold as Kimmer’s.

Saying a prayer tonight for Delaney.

September 19, 2007 at 11:05 pm

Me

I am going to sound like a total bitch, but I don’t care.

I was molested by my real father from about 3-9. I was raped at 16. Yeah it sucked, and I do not wish it on anyone.

I think for SL to try and hide behind those things is the biggest but of bullshit I have ever heard.

She sickens me. Many, many people have gone through traumatic things and are not power-hungry jerks with their heads up their ass.

I hope she rots in hell right next to Kimmer and Tippy Toes.

September 19, 2007 at 11:28 pm

devil

Singinglass,
It is horrible what happened to you and I don’t think anyone is making light of it. . . but what you’re doing over there is horrible, too. Unfortunately, lots of individuals who have been abused turn into abusers themselves. You are VERY harsh sometimes when posting to people there. . . you are scaring people over there, censoring them, and making them feel shunned & alone. . . you didn’t like it, why would you want to do it to anyone else?

Please listen when Becky tells you that Heidi is NOT your friend; she does not care for you, she only cares for herself. Kimkinssmith and others here DO care about you. . .listen to them and break the cycle and finally break free.

September 19, 2007 at 11:29 pm

Stiff

I’m so glad I never trusted in Kimmer that much.

When I first joined in June (and not from WW…I didn’t even know about it!), I was so stoked to realize that she really did PM people. I had just had a ‘trigger’ in my own life which brought on much of the same pain SingingLass spoke about. For me, I felt if I lost the weight, all those parts of me would fade. They never bothered me growing up.

I nearly PMed and told Kimmer all about it in hopes I’d get affirmation, something…I’m so glad I didn’t.

I’m well now, but still…wow. Thank the heavens.

September 19, 2007 at 11:48 pm

La Mesa

“Do you even regret how you treated that 14-yo now?”

Exactly! and Curious..please get off your high horse I don’t really care what you think about what I have to say.

September 19, 2007 at 11:53 pm

Mayberryfan

This whole thing confirms that my radar isn’t totally broken. While I fell for Kimmer’s lies and need to destroy others, I always felt that SingingLass wanted to be an admin over at KK’s to be loved and accepted. Call it women’s intution! Hey, we ALL want to be accepted, so no shame in that, SL! But, you need to protect yourself and go ahead and admit that you fell for K’s lies like a lot of good folks did. You are getting used. Be strong! Don’t let someone like her take advantage of you – GET OUT NOW.

God bless, SL. You’ve had it rough. Sorry!

September 20, 2007 at 12:04 am

Sue

It is a tragedy what happened to you Singing Lass but nobody is seeing it as entertainment. Let go of the victim mentality and stand up to Kimmer. Don’t play a big part in turning members into victims. You know what its like to be a victim. You have a choice to do right by people.

September 20, 2007 at 12:32 am

another curious onlooker

Better to take the high ground…lest you crawl with the slugs.

September 20, 2007 at 12:33 am

another curious onlooker

Better to take the high road…lest you crawl with the slugs.

September 20, 2007 at 1:04 am

I’m concerned too

And if none of the above pleas reach into some part of your brain just keep saying this word to yourself: FELONY FELONY FELONY FELONY

September 20, 2007 at 2:48 am

justanotherduck

SingingLass, no one is laughing at your past. What you endured is horrible and criminal, and no one should have to suffer through those things.

BUT, lot’s of people were abused and mistreated as a child. I was, too… please don’t use that as an excuse to mistreat others! Go the other way– use that heightened sensitivity to care for others, to help them. And no, verbally abusing Kimkins visitors and fronting a fraud DOES not count as help.

I understand that it’s tempting to want to grab power wherever you can. You had no control as a child and now you do… it’s a strong urge, but fight it! You don’t want to be an abuser. You’re a surviver… and you’re better than that.

September 20, 2007 at 10:08 am

WOW

God, I am not touching this with a ten foot pole, either side, except to say this whole thing is getting way out of hand.

September 21, 2007 at 11:54 am

Jen Billing

singinglass-you told kimmer a bunch of lies about me that subsequently got me banned….
i dont care about being banned so much because i will get my money back and we will see to it that kimmer goes to prison over this scam…
i do care that lies were told about me and my particpation on the forums, and the lies were told by you….

are you a big enough woman (no pun intended) to apologize to me for those libelous lies?

or are you cut from the same cloth as the almighty kimmer, in which case you have no perception of reality whatsoever, and relish your cyber-”importance”

you still have time to retreat and get out from under kimmers spell…

show us that you have the morals and dignity to do so….