More Threating Messages Come to Light

26 09 2007

Over at theTRUTH, we find more abusive, threatening messages sent to Deni, Christin and theTRUTH too!

Read them here.





Kimmer Still Using Deni & Christin!

4 09 2007

With the sudden yet vocal departure of both Christin and Deni yesterday, you’d think the Kimkins webmaster would be busy updating the site to reflect the changes. As of this writing, the site still maintains on the Meet Your Team page that Christin is Media & Public Relations Director.

The homepage continues to use Christin as a feature selling point for membership, boasting she lost weight and was on the cover of Woman’s World magazine. Christin pointedly remarked yesterday on her own blog that she experienced serious side effects from the dietary regimen.

Yet, even today after all that has happened, Kimmer keeps her own version of the story intact on her blog, bragging about the ‘clean bill of health’ Christin was said to have gotten after losing the weight.

On the homepage, Kimmer continues to spotlight Deni, who lost weight too, despite the fact that Deni is no longer associated with Kimkins or singing its praises anymore.

What part of Deni’s statement about Kimmer’s lack of intergrity did she not understand?

In case you haven’t figured it out yet.. I am leaving Kimkins. I am leaving because I have learned some things that make me doubt the integrity of the founder, and because I have been used for purposes that go against my personality, my moral, and my conscience.

What part of Christin’s complete scrubbing of her blog of all promotion linked to Kimkins did Kimmer miss? Kimmer arrogantly declared these women, and Becky, left because of pressure from blogs like this one. Yet if and when you read their own testimony as to their reasons for leaving, none of the blogs highlighting the issues of Kimkins diet are mentioned. No, not one word is explicit or implicit that we bloggers were the reason these women left. They didn’t leave because of external pressures by us bloggers. They left because they came to see Kimmer as she is!

The one thing clearly stated is the problem was and is Kimmer (Heidi Diaz)!

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September 4, 2007 at 5:51 pm

ooBoo

Kimmer really does think she’s above reproach. She’s in for a big surprise when it all falls down though.

September 4, 2007 at 5:52 pm

theTRUTH

I have received communications today from one of these three and one thing they would like to express is that they were not forced out due to pressure from these blogs or comments on LCF. They left (and were subsequently locked out from the site) due to the reasons they specifically state and/or will state (or not – up to them really), not the reasons stated by Kimmer and not due to any bloggers or other forum attacks or pressures. In fact, the outside pressures to leave made it harder to do so, to avoid the appearance of caving under the pressure. Kimmer was (is) the problem, and from reading their comments (aside from Christin’s two correctable issues), even the diet didn’t have anything to do with it.

September 4, 2007 at 6:38 pm

kkatastrophediet

“and were subsequently locked out from the site”

WHAT??????? And she continues to use their images? !!!!?????!!!!!! I really have no words….

September 4, 2007 at 6:40 pm

Braveheart

I’m not surprised. Kimmer is going to continue on with business as usual, even as everything falls apart over there. I just hope those within start to see the writing on the wall and get out NOW!

September 4, 2007 at 7:09 pm

Musictomyears

Christin, for weeks, tried to get answers to her satisfaction from Kimmer, to no avail. Finally Kimmer locked her out of the site and basically fired her, then begged her back, then locked her out again due to irreconcilable differences (like Becky).

Really makes you wonder, doesn’t it? How is it that two very prominent moderators and superstars within Kimkins are FIRED for asking questions and then Kimmer runs around the site acting like all is well and dandy.

All is NOT well and dandy. Kimmer is scared. She’s paranoid now. She’s got admins watching each other. She’s got members spying on other members. She has admins spying on members. She’s spying on members and it’s all crazy!

Becky, Deni and Christin questioned the great Oz and anyone else who does the same has the primer in front of them – you’ll be fired/banned/locked out. You cannot cross Kimmer and stay. Period.

September 4, 2007 at 7:44 pm

Mimi

Dear Ducky, someone says you are in reality Jimmy Moore. Oh Ducky, say it ain’t so! 🙂

——————-

It ain’t so!

September 4, 2007 at 8:07 pm

Christin Fired From Kimkins for Asking Questions About Kimmer? » Kimkins Controversy

[…] A comment on Kimkins Exposed: Christin, for weeks, tried to get answers to her satisfaction from Kimmer, to no avail. Finally Kimmer locked her out of the site and basically fired her, then begged her back, then locked her out again due to irreconcilable differences (like Becky). […]

September 4, 2007 at 11:07 pm

Sue

Kimmer, really is a piece of work – that woman has nerves of steel. Acutally she probably hasn’t got a conscience so doesn’t give a shit.
Becky, Deni and Christin I am glad you got out but you must make it perfectly clear why you left so new members don’t get sucked into Kimkins. The post questioning if Christin and Deni are gone too is now locked and will soon be deleted. Most of the members just all carry on as normal!

September 5, 2007 at 3:18 am

ban kimmer

Good then everyone will leave. I am also questioning the new admin on the site…that answer about the hair falling out sounded a little to much like kimmiepie for me to swallow. Again…when the posts are on the defensive and not at all helpful…you can bet it’s the guru.

Also…does anyone know if Cristin will speak to WW about a retraction? Or at least a warning?

September 5, 2007 at 2:59 pm

Kim

I would love to see Christin do a retraction…and I bet WW would be willing to consider it. WW seems to be a pretty solid magazine that doesn’t play too much into fad dieting or unhealthy WOE.

My log in is still working, but I’m sure when my complaint gets to Kimmer I’ll be locked out. I filed with the BBB so we’ll see what happens with that. I signed up with it was still $39.95 and the e-book was promised, so my complaint stated I never got everything I was promised. We all know that book is not even mentioned on the site anymore and will never be again. It’s not about the money as much as it is to get a message across to Kimmer that she won’t keep getting away with this.





Dominos Begin to Fall at Kimkins

3 09 2007

The exodus from Kimkins begins…

It started with Becky. Now we must bid farewell to a bunch of folks today…

Goodbye Amy, your resignation from moderating took courage!

Goodbye Christin, walking away was the right thing to do!

Goodbye Deni, leaving was hard, but you’ll be rewarded!

Goodbye OSusana, your acceptance and quick resignation as an admin is admirable!

The dominos are falling at Kimkins. Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) has shown her true colors to those on the inside, and they’re fleeing.

Good luck to those who broke free!

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September 3, 2007 at 8:59 pm

Healthy LCer

Let’s hope all the Kimkinites follow their leaders who actually care about them and find another place to go to. Of course, they also need a healthier diet plan, too!!

September 3, 2007 at 9:05 pm

tiredofscams

Unfortunately, Osuzanna is still there–she’s just not an admin after all. Kimmer just alluded to that as Osuzanna stepping down because she fears being attacked by Anti-K bloggers…and of course, we’re supposed to believe that’s why Deni and Christin left too. They’re just afraid of you.

It couldn’t possibly be Kimmer’s fault in any way. *rolleyes*

That woman is some arrogant piece of work!

September 3, 2007 at 10:21 pm

Tam (Kimkins refugee)

Can you explain more about Amy’s departure? That is curlygirl, right? She was by far my favorite, favorite person there at KK. I love her site and continue to enjoy her recipes.

And what happened to the pretty young blonde Suzanna who used to be a mod? (not the same as OSusana, I don’t think). Seems like I haven’t seen her around lately either.

September 4, 2007 at 7:29 am

anonymous

it is still so disturbing to me that a man who is healthy enough to run races in Japan would be involved in creating a blog about a diet for fat people. There is more than meets the eye with many stories beyond kimkins

——————–

We’re stumped. Can you elaborate some please?

September 4, 2007 at 7:51 am

anonymous

better add a few real estate pages to your blogroll

September 4, 2007 at 1:14 pm

Tam (Kimkins refugee)

And there’s much more than meets the eye with the stories BEHIND Kimkins. What bloggers such as this have “exposed” are just the tip of the iceberg.

Do you have to be an unhealthy couch potato to create your own blog?

September 4, 2007 at 2:20 pm

Kimkins Dangers

What bothers me about Kimmer’s response to Deni, Becky and Christin leaving (aside from the blatant lie that Becky is not banned), is that Kimmer insinuates that the three ladies are not smart enough to think for themselves. They couldn’t POSSIBLY believe that Kimkins is unhealthy or dangerous. They couldn’t POSSIBLY know that Kimmer is a liar and a fraud. Oh no… they only caved into pressure from a handful of bloggers.

How insulting is that? Becky, Deni and Christin all wrote very long blog posts explaining the basic reasons why they left Kimkins, but Kimmer doesn’t believe them. She’s telling people on the KK site that they are just not tough enough to stand against the “anti-kimmer” people. (where have we heard THAT before?)

I think the KK members would appreciate a little more honesty from Kimmer and a little less spin!

September 4, 2007 at 2:44 pm

kkatastrophediet

new terms of service at KK since 7-30–KK members please read

http://kkatastrophediet.wordpress.com/

September 4, 2007 at 3:20 pm

graciej

Amy(curlygirl) still posts although much less often than before. Her blog still has kimkins links on it. So she has not completely cut her ties. She may be headed in that direction but it’s hard to say for sure.

Suzanna is still listed as an admin but has not posted since the 31st.

September 4, 2007 at 3:30 pm

Concerned about kimkins

“it is still so disturbing to me that a man who is healthy enough to run races in Japan would be involved in creating a blog about a diet for fat people. There is more than meets the eye with many stories beyond kimkins”

Hey Kimmer! ((((waves at kimmer who’s obviously the one who posted this)))) What’s next…a Fatkins comment, an attempt to call others out for being overweight when you yourself can’t come out of your house cuz you are “fluffy”? Hmmmmmmm.

September 4, 2007 at 4:22 pm

flowerpower

I’ve enjoyed catching up with this, again. It’s great that those that have jumped the sinking ship have expressed their reasoning, as Jimmy did a month ago.

Why in the world are there still pro-Kimmer people posting their opinions? My gosh, they sure need to give it up and realize they don’t need a fraud’s support. They can get plenty of support at LCF and other forums where people really do care about their desire to lose weight and stay healthy.

Will KimATC admit that she made the wrong choice when choosing Kimmer over LCF? I hope Kim jumps that sinking ship and realizes the money is not worth being associated with such a fraud.

Keep up the great work all you bloggers!

September 4, 2007 at 5:07 pm

Concerned about kimkins

I’m not really sure there still are supporters. Aside from a few nameless faces here and there on blogs, there seems to have been (as mentioned before) a jumping of ship. Her main supporters have bailed, now the random comments here and there in support all sound exactly like Kimmer herself. Just look at them. How many ex chunkies degrade and insult the size and eating habbits of current chunkes. No one…just Kimmiepie.

September 5, 2007 at 4:46 am

anonymous

If it were “TRUTH” that Christin and the others left for reasons only involving Kimmer, why have they not came here and posted so theirself?
Wouldn’t that be the obvious way to get across what they supposedly want us to know?

September 5, 2007 at 4:49 am

anonymous

The point about a healthy person that runs races was to question how they play a part in this story? At what time did they become involved with Kimmer or the diet? What made them strike up a harp against something they aren’t a part of?… or are they?? think about it

September 6, 2007 at 2:36 am

graciej

I’m not sure if you want to post this as a comment here but Tam asked about Suzanna the other day and I have an update. As of today, Suzanna is no longer an admin and it looks like her personal journal has been completely deleted.

September 10, 2007 at 6:40 am

rlh94

I am sorry but why are you all bashing kimkins…If you do not like this WOE just DON’T do it…grow up…this is not high school…why are you lurking on the site trying to find info…get a Life
Have you tried it? If not don’t bash it…
It works it is a God send for some of us…We all have brains and choose for ourselves to follow this WOE…no one forces anyone





Dominos Begin to Fall at Kimkins

3 09 2007

The exodus from Kimkins begins…

It started with Becky. Now we must bid farewell to a bunch of folks today…

Goodbye Amy, your resignation from moderating took courage!

Goodbye Christin, walking away was the right thing to do!

Goodbye Deni, leaving was hard, but you’ll be rewarded!

Goodbye OSusana, your acceptance and quick resignation as an admin is admirable!

The dominos are falling at Kimkins. Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) has shown her true colors to those on the inside, and they’re fleeing.

Good luck to those who broke free!

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September 3, 2007 at 8:59 pm

Healthy LCer

Let’s hope all the Kimkinites follow their leaders who actually care about them and find another place to go to. Of course, they also need a healthier diet plan, too!!

September 3, 2007 at 9:05 pm

tiredofscams

Unfortunately, Osuzanna is still there–she’s just not an admin after all. Kimmer just alluded to that as Osuzanna stepping down because she fears being attacked by Anti-K bloggers…and of course, we’re supposed to believe that’s why Deni and Christin left too. They’re just afraid of you.

It couldn’t possibly be Kimmer’s fault in any way. *rolleyes*

That woman is some arrogant piece of work!

September 3, 2007 at 10:21 pm

Tam (Kimkins refugee)

Can you explain more about Amy’s departure? That is curlygirl, right? She was by far my favorite, favorite person there at KK. I love her site and continue to enjoy her recipes.

And what happened to the pretty young blonde Suzanna who used to be a mod? (not the same as OSusana, I don’t think). Seems like I haven’t seen her around lately either.

September 4, 2007 at 7:29 am

anonymous

it is still so disturbing to me that a man who is healthy enough to run races in Japan would be involved in creating a blog about a diet for fat people. There is more than meets the eye with many stories beyond kimkins

——————–

We’re stumped. Can you elaborate some please?

September 4, 2007 at 7:51 am

anonymous

better add a few real estate pages to your blogroll

September 4, 2007 at 1:14 pm

Tam (Kimkins refugee)

And there’s much more than meets the eye with the stories BEHIND Kimkins. What bloggers such as this have “exposed” are just the tip of the iceberg.

Do you have to be an unhealthy couch potato to create your own blog?

September 4, 2007 at 2:20 pm

Kimkins Dangers

What bothers me about Kimmer’s response to Deni, Becky and Christin leaving (aside from the blatant lie that Becky is not banned), is that Kimmer insinuates that the three ladies are not smart enough to think for themselves. They couldn’t POSSIBLY believe that Kimkins is unhealthy or dangerous. They couldn’t POSSIBLY know that Kimmer is a liar and a fraud. Oh no… they only caved into pressure from a handful of bloggers.

How insulting is that? Becky, Deni and Christin all wrote very long blog posts explaining the basic reasons why they left Kimkins, but Kimmer doesn’t believe them. She’s telling people on the KK site that they are just not tough enough to stand against the “anti-kimmer” people. (where have we heard THAT before?)

I think the KK members would appreciate a little more honesty from Kimmer and a little less spin!

September 4, 2007 at 2:44 pm

kkatastrophediet

new terms of service at KK since 7-30–KK members please read

http://kkatastrophediet.wordpress.com/

September 4, 2007 at 3:20 pm

graciej

Amy(curlygirl) still posts although much less often than before. Her blog still has kimkins links on it. So she has not completely cut her ties. She may be headed in that direction but it’s hard to say for sure.

Suzanna is still listed as an admin but has not posted since the 31st.

September 4, 2007 at 3:30 pm

Concerned about kimkins

“it is still so disturbing to me that a man who is healthy enough to run races in Japan would be involved in creating a blog about a diet for fat people. There is more than meets the eye with many stories beyond kimkins”

Hey Kimmer! ((((waves at kimmer who’s obviously the one who posted this)))) What’s next…a Fatkins comment, an attempt to call others out for being overweight when you yourself can’t come out of your house cuz you are “fluffy”? Hmmmmmmm.

September 4, 2007 at 4:22 pm

flowerpower

I’ve enjoyed catching up with this, again. It’s great that those that have jumped the sinking ship have expressed their reasoning, as Jimmy did a month ago.

Why in the world are there still pro-Kimmer people posting their opinions? My gosh, they sure need to give it up and realize they don’t need a fraud’s support. They can get plenty of support at LCF and other forums where people really do care about their desire to lose weight and stay healthy.

Will KimATC admit that she made the wrong choice when choosing Kimmer over LCF? I hope Kim jumps that sinking ship and realizes the money is not worth being associated with such a fraud.

Keep up the great work all you bloggers!

September 4, 2007 at 5:07 pm

Concerned about kimkins

I’m not really sure there still are supporters. Aside from a few nameless faces here and there on blogs, there seems to have been (as mentioned before) a jumping of ship. Her main supporters have bailed, now the random comments here and there in support all sound exactly like Kimmer herself. Just look at them. How many ex chunkies degrade and insult the size and eating habbits of current chunkes. No one…just Kimmiepie.

September 5, 2007 at 4:46 am

anonymous

If it were “TRUTH” that Christin and the others left for reasons only involving Kimmer, why have they not came here and posted so theirself?
Wouldn’t that be the obvious way to get across what they supposedly want us to know?

September 5, 2007 at 4:49 am

anonymous

The point about a healthy person that runs races was to question how they play a part in this story? At what time did they become involved with Kimmer or the diet? What made them strike up a harp against something they aren’t a part of?… or are they?? think about it

September 6, 2007 at 2:36 am

graciej

I’m not sure if you want to post this as a comment here but Tam asked about Suzanna the other day and I have an update. As of today, Suzanna is no longer an admin and it looks like her personal journal has been completely deleted.

September 10, 2007 at 6:40 am

rlh94

I am sorry but why are you all bashing kimkins…If you do not like this WOE just DON’T do it…grow up…this is not high school…why are you lurking on the site trying to find info…get a Life
Have you tried it? If not don’t bash it…
It works it is a God send for some of us…We all have brains and choose for ourselves to follow this WOE…no one forces anyone





To Deni

31 08 2007

“It is a sad tendancy of modern men to either do the right thing in the wrong way or do the wrong thing in the right way. We either hold to truth obnoxiously or we hold to a lie graciously. We are either a rude angel or a polite devil. Often what poses as a cruel orthodoxy is defeated by what poses as a kind heresy” – George Grant & Mark Horne, from the book Unnatural Affections

With that in mind, we all must understand that cognitive dissonance is an innately human process that can muddle the ethical values of an individual without him or her even realizing that it is happening. The most basic of cognitive dissonance scenarios occur when a person whom an individual regards highly adopts a behavior that the same individual deplores.

The gulf between the individual’s admiration of the person (a positive attitude) and the individual’s objection to the behavior (a negative attitude) must be reconciled.

The individual can lower his or her estimation of the person, or develop a rationalization for the conflict (the person was acting uncharacteristically due to illness, stress, or confusion), or reduce the disapproval of the behavior.

This is why misbehavior by leaders and other admired role models is potentially very harmful on a large scale: by creating dissonance, it creates a downward drag on societal norms by validating unethical behavior. Tortured or inexplicable defenses of otherwise clearly wrong behavior in public dialogue are often the product of cognitive dissonance.

Remember, sin ripples; it affects the whole world.

Therefore, if a public person – by his or her pronouncements – trivializes an issue as important as health, we all must stand up and pay attention.

When someone lies to us or others, we must recognize it and accept our duty to not only abhor it, but if once a party to it, turn our backs and leave that person in their wickedness.

When someone says things which may bring harm to another, we must recognize it and accept our duty to not only abhor it, but no longer be party to such dangerous words.

As spiritual beings we’re called to account not only for what we have done, but what we failed to do.

Not only in how we see, but in how our Creator sees it.

2 Cor 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive recompense, according to what he did in the body, whether good or evil.

1 Cor3:12-15 If any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man’s work. If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.

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August 31, 2007 at 2:40 pm

Healthy LCer

I totally agree with this 100 percent. Christin is a strong Christian and therefore will be held accountable for anything harmful that she has advised people to do. If she did this unknowingly at first, that is totally different than
hearing people’s stories of illness and continuing to give unsafe advice.

Plus, advising children/diabetics is a WHOLE other category. And approving of what Kimmer is doing is just like SHE was doing it. Scripture tells us to FLEE
from evil. That’s what Christin needs to do…

August 31, 2007 at 3:02 pm

kkatastrophediet

Mark 9.43

And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched

August 31, 2007 at 3:39 pm

ooBoo

Bravo!

Deni, please leave! You can do it! You’re strong and know what’s right and wrong and what Kimmer is doing is wrong, wrong, wrong!

August 31, 2007 at 4:29 pm

theTRUTH

Hardly a credible source for a quote: but I am reminded of the spooky words of bug-eyed Marshall Applewhite, of Heaven’s Gate cult fame…

This applies to all of the innocent Admins there:

“Your only chance to survive–leave with us.”

I am sure many of you are at least considering it. You don’t want to be in a position of association with Kimmer when the stuff hits the fan. So put on your new black and white Nikes, grab your purple handkerchiefs and hit the door before it is too late. There will be folks here and elsewhere to stand with you, to hear your stories, and help you find a new home in which you can lose weight.

At least Marshall went out with his people. Do you think Kimmer won’t have self preservation as her first priority when it all comes down. Don’t you think she will try to shift blame? That is, if her identity isn’t so well insulated that she can’t just disappear. Why else would she be so careful to lie about EVERY part of her life and has never let anyone see her?

August 31, 2007 at 7:45 pm

Laura

I really hope Deni reads this and takes it to heart. She is too sweet to have her name associated with Kimkins any more!

Deni, sweetie, please get out of there!

September 3, 2007 at 11:50 pm

theTRUTH

Deni didn’t need our convincing. I thought as much. WTG Deni and Christin!





Open Letter to Kimkins Admins & Moderators

30 08 2007

Dear Kimkins Admins and Moderators,

Step back for a moment and consider all that is now happening within Kimkins.  You’re being tracked, you’re being monitored and you’re likely being told that those you work with, your fellow moderators and admins, are talking about you behind your back.  This is Kimmer’s MO and is not a new tactic to manipulate your loyalty to try and maintain the status quo.

Step back from the diet, step back from the concept you’re loyal because you lost weight or are losing weight, and take a long hard look at all that is out there about Kimmer and the type of person she is.

Do you want to continue to associate with someone who has been shown to be a liar?

Do you want to continue to assoicate with someone who says she is a CASA when you know she’s not?

Do you want to continue to associate with someone who manipulates others with illusions of gradeur, claims of foster parenting, and taking money for ‘her kids’ when it’s very likely she no longer has foster children in her care?

Do you want to continue to associate with someone who advised a child, a young teenage girl, that she didn’t need to eat more calories if she still had body fat on her?

Do you want to continue to assoicate with someone who maintains recommendations that are contrary to the body of evidence in the scientific literature?

Do you want to continue to associate with someone who has raked in millions and is either expecting you to continue to volunteer your time or paying you a paltry salary for your time and effort?

Do you want to continue to associate with someone who has obviously used her own child to attempt to play the system and keep the fact she owns the company off the paper trail?

Do you want to associate with someone who encourages you to continue providing potentially health damaging advice to paying members?

Do you want to associate with someone who has promoted her diet with stock photo pictures and wrote success stories herself of fictional people?

Do you want to associate with someone who is known to spam the internet?

Do you want to associate with someone who has FTC violations blatantly on her website?

Do you want to associate with someone who may be defrauding social security?

Do you want to associate with someone who once proudly claimed she was judgement proof?

Do you want to associate with someone who found it funny the student loan company was frustrated because she wouldn’t pay them what she borrowed for her education?

The list goes on and on!

Many of you are contemplating your position now.

Ducky knows this.

It’s not a maybe, it’s a given considering all that is happening now.

While you can, walk away!

While you can, tell her you’re done!

While you can, take back control of your life and move on!

The diet that worked for you doesn’t matter.  In life we’re all tasked with one thing, do unto others as you’ll have done to you.  Kimmer is not the diet.  You know this.  Act on what your intuition and gut has been telling you for a long time now.

Step away.

Leave.

You will be okay without Kimmer.

No amount of money is worth what she is doing to you or others.

You know that!





When Kimkins Disappears or Goes Defunct

30 08 2007

It’s coming, it’s in the air, you can feel it.

Kimkins is limping along now and each day a new revelation is knocking one more brick away, weakening the structure and will of those within.

When the time comes and Kimkins.com goes defunct or completely disappears, those within need a place to go and find online support.  Below are online communities we feel comfortable recommending you bookmark for when you need a place later!

Active Low Carber Forums

Livin’ La Vida Low Carb Discussion (we hear this is where Becky is now making home online)

A Pinch of Health

Good luck to those who are still within Kimkins.  For other forums, please check the comments as we’re sure other forums will be identified as places to review and check out when you need a place to retreat to in the coming weeks and months!