Kimkins, Not Safe for Diabetics, as per TOS

4 09 2007

Kkatastrophediet posted today about the changes to the Kimkins site Terms of Service. Within the change is a notable warning,

This program should not be attempted by anyone with the following conditions without prior approval from their physician: pregnant or nursing mothers, patients with history of gout, kidney failure or disease, gallbladder issues, those under the age of 18 and those with blood glucose issues such as diabetes or hypoglycemia. The content relayed on Kimkins.com is not to be interpreted as advocating the self-management of your medical condition(s) or those of your family.

Contrast that with the promotional page ‘Thinking About Kimkins?’ that lures the unsuspecting with the following bold statement,

Is Kimkins good for diabetics? Kimkins is perfect for all diabetics!

It appears Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) will say anything to convince those reading her promotional material to sign up and pay her $60, even if it means potentially compromising the health of someone with diabetes. How shameful.

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September 4, 2007 at 3:36 pm

Concerned about kimkins

Bla bla bla “don’t sue me.” Bla bla bla “don’t tell anyone what I told you.” Bla bla bla “pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.” Wtf ever. Wow…someone is really good at slide of hand!

Don’t forget Kimmeroonie, you said it was good for diabetics on your pod cast. 🙂

September 4, 2007 at 3:57 pm

Kimkins Dangers

Kimmeroonie, lol.

The “safe for all diabetics” issue is one that I have been very upset with from the beginning. Now suddenly her tos is changed and if you read the entire post at the Kkatastrophe blog, you’ll see how many times it says “WE ARE NOT LIABLE FOR ANYTHING BAD THINGS THAT HAPPEN TO YOU ON THIS DIET”.

If the diet is so great, so healthy, so wonderful, why would they need to say that?

September 4, 2007 at 4:06 pm

Concerned about kimkins

Uh….let me expound….that would be because kimmeroonie is staring at the business end of a class action lawsuit. Woops!

September 4, 2007 at 4:20 pm

Healthy LCer

This is still on her home page:

And, Kimkins is the perfect diet for type 1 and 2 diabetics! Our program offers superior blood sugar control. In fact, many type 2 diabetes members get off their meds like Glucophage and Metformin!

September 4, 2007 at 4:46 pm

Laura

A disclaimer does not absolve you if you continue to make statements saying the opposite. Her promotion and terms of service/disclaimer are not aligned, thus she remains open to liability!

September 4, 2007 at 4:49 pm

ooBoo

Kimmer is way open to liability, she knows it and pretends it’s not there. I seriously hope her members initiate a class action suit soon, they have cause and should take the opportunity while the irons are hot, hot, hot!

September 4, 2007 at 4:58 pm

Concerned about kimkins

Yup and don’t forget that she’s been dumb enough to record her claims for all posterity on Jimmy’s pod cast. Good thinking! All it takes is a first year law student and someone’s out of business and refuinding all of her clients money. :))

September 4, 2007 at 5:36 pm

LisaLC

“Yup and don’t forget that she’s been dumb enough to record her claims for all posterity on Jimmy’s pod cast. Good thinking! All it takes is a first year law student and someone’s out of business and refuinding all of her clients money. :))”

IF that was her. How do we know? What prevents her from saying it was someone else posing as her? It was just a voice recording, after all. She has woven a tangled web, for sure. I can hardly wait until this whole thing is blown wide open.

September 5, 2007 at 3:32 am

ban kimmer

Oh trust me, if it gets to a court phase, they are going to do all they can to prove that it was her, including but not limited to finding out how Jimmy contacted her to make arrangements, what phone number was used, what email to set it up. It will be substantiated. And the SSKimmer will be sunk.





Kimmer Encourages Child to Continue On!

23 08 2007

A commenter noted that Kimmer replied to the teen asking for help. We’ve verified that Kimmer did reply and this is what she responded with:

Kimmer (Admin)

Re:I need more calories

I agree with all the replies above, except about needing more calories simply because of your age. A calorie is a unit of energy, that’s all. If we eat too much energy, it’s stored as fat — whether you’re 14 or 84. If you have excess body fat, you have CALORIES hanging there, again whether you’re 14 or 84.

However, if you want to up your calories, simply add more food. You’re a teenager, so a couple servings of dairy are important (or use supplements with your doctor’s advice). String cheese, Dannon low carb yogurt, broccoli, kale, cottage cheese are good sources of calcium and will give you extra calories.

If your goal is to only add more calories, drink 1-2 meal replacement shakes in addition to your food choices. It’s easy to add calories if that’s your goal.

I disagree about adding fruit until you’re at maintenance. There’s little there nutritionally compared to the high carbs. Nothing that can’t wait a bit until you hit goal. You’re much better off with a 1/2 cup of sweet potato than an apple, as an example. More fiber, more antioxidants. And …

But if you’re listening to “other sources”, think logically and think about hidden agendas.

Notice Kimmer did not, as she clearly stated she did in her podcast with Jimmy Moore, turn this young girl away. She did not tell her that such an extreme low calorie level at her age and her current weight is dangerous. She did not implore her to go to her mother (or father) and ask for help from her parent(s). She did not suggest such dieting at her age should be under a doctor’s care and supervision. And she did not say emphatically that 500 calories a day is too few for a young girl.

No, Kimmer actually told this child that too many calories make you fat. The implication clearly that 500 calories is more than enough if this girl still has fat to lose.

And people wonder why sites such as this exist?

Now the world can see that Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) is allowing teens on her site, is recommending very low calorie intakes and is suggesting to a child to ignore those with concerns!





Say Bye-Bye to Lean Body Mass on Kimkins!

17 08 2007

For those who buy into ‘Kimmer’s’ crazy ideas about protein requirements, read this:

The goal of the dietary treatment of obesity is to reduce the patient’s weight with minimum risk. This is accomplished by a dietary regimen which allows a preferential loss of body fat with a preservation of lean body mass.

Total fasting leads to a loss of 150 grams of nitrogen in the first month alone.

In a study by Hoffer et al. reported below, two levels of dietary protein were compared for their effects on nitrogen balance in 17 obese women on a low calorie (500 cal) weight reduction diet.

After three weeks of adaptation to the diets, the group given 0.8 grams protein/kg were in -2 grams nitrogen balance while the group given 1.5 grams protein/kg were at zero nitrogen balance.

It was concluded that protein intakes at the level of the recommended dietary allowance (0.8 g/kg) are not compatible with nitrogen equilibrium when the energy intake is severely restricted.

While weight loss is the obvious goal for obese persons, a careful examination of the composition of the weight loss (protein, fat, water) is essential in defining the optimal dietary regimen.

Postgrad Med J. 1984;60 Suppl 3:59-65





Christin Dispenses Diet Advice Online Despite No Training

14 08 2007

Last week Kimkins named Christin Sherburne as Director of Media and Public Relations in a press release. Those keeping up with all the controversy surrounding the Kimkins diet know that Christin was featured on the cover of Woman’s World in the June article, Better than Gastric Bypass!, after losing 100 pounds. Not only has Christin been the face of Kimkins since the article, she’s been hands-off for any criticism since many feel she is young and naive. With her elevation to Director of Media and Public Relations, it’s time we got to know Christin.Within the Kimkins site, Christin has been a rising star since her weight loss. While before she was just one more paid affiliate, making money convincing readers of her blog to join Kimkins because she lost weight, now she’s paid staff and must be held accountable for the advice she doles out both inside the Kimkins Forums and in any statements she makes outside the site.

Last week Christin reminised about her weight loss and wrote looking back was a

“trip down memory lane and took me back to why I did this program in the first place. Kimkins and this way of eating saved my life. I now know how to eat. I know how to eat in a healthy manner that I can sustain for the rest of my life. This Friday will be the 5 month anniversary of calling goal and successfully maintaining my Kimkins 100 pound loss… this is so amazing to me because I have never done this before… sure I’ve used other programs… up and down up and down… never EVER maintaining for any amount of time… so does this plan work? YOU BET!!!!”

Within that one paragraph were two links to the Kimkins site, complete with her affiliate links to be paid if anyone joined. Baffling to us is her declaration that in just five short months since reaching her goal, she knows how to eat healthfully and sustain her weight for life. We wondered, how did she manage to lose 100 pounds in five months? So, we headed on over to her public FitDay and took a look. We’ll leave it to readers to decide if how she ate while losing weight was healthful or not and just present the facts.

She started her diet in October, at 240 pounds and by mid-March weighed in at 140 pounds when she declared she was at goal. In the months between start and reaching goal she posted regularly in her FitDay journal, which is a disturbing read if you also consider she has a sticky thread in the Kimkins Forums titled Christin’s FAQ – HOW I DID IT (you can too!), which we’ll look at in a moment.In her FitDay we find that her average calorie intake in

  • October was just 600 calories;
  • November and December 554 calories
  • January 551 calories
  • February 399 calories
  • and in the first couple of weeks of March 629 calories

She considers this a healthy way to lose weight and in her thread on the Kimkins Forums she includes the following advice to those who see her as an inspiration to do it too:

…There is nothing “magical” or unique about what I was able to accomplish. It is not an easy journey though, and I wanted to give you a few things that have helped me a long the way and hopefully answer some of your questions as well….Under the guidelines given by Kimmer this program consists of lean proteins, no extras. So, during the time I was using KE I did just that. No EXTRAS no cheese, no extra fats, no supplements. I found that the best and quickest loss for me was attained when I stayed within the list…

She then offers advice on how much one should eat, and begins with what has to be the stupidest rationalizations to limit protein we’ve ever seen. Oh read it yourself:

Protein – There is no specific limit under Kimkins or KE that is “required.” My personal preference would be for you to keep your protein grams between 70-90g per day. I tried to keep mine under 80g, anything over 90g and I’d stall. USDA regulations state that our bodies only need 60g. Everything over that amount (60g) our bodies turn to glucose at a 40% rate, so it actually becomes more important after that point to be careful about the amount that we consume.

It is so blatantly obvious that Christin has absolutely no training in metabolism, physiology, nutrition or health, nor has she even taken the time to consider the garbage spoonfed to her by Kimmer, such as the misleading 60 gram protein requirement, is wrong or dangerous. Forget her complete lack of understanding the difference between amino acid types and their conversion rates to glucose. Heck, toss aside the fact that she has absolutely no understanding that in humans, the glucogenic amino acids are glycine, serine, valine, histidine, arginine, cysteine, proline, alanine, glutamate, glutamine, aspartate, asparagine and methionine; while threonine, isoleucine, phenylalanine, tyrosine and tryptophan can be either glucogenic or ketogenic. In Christin’s world protein is coverted to gluocse if you consume more than 60 grams.

She then continues on with:

Fat – The point of this program is QUICK and HEALTHY weight loss. One of the things that sets Kimkins apart from other Low Carb programs is the fact that we chose to use the leanest proteins that are available to us. We will still be consuming some fat with our proteins, but the goal is as little as possible. This can also be attained by choosing even lower fat options of allowed proteins. For example: boneless/skinless chicken breast vs whole chicken on the bone; egg whites or egg beaters vs whole eggs, lean fresh ground turkey breast vs pre-ground turkey, and of course fresh fish is always a fantastic option. These are just some options that are available to you in choosing lean proteins. If you want a number to shoot for though, my guideline for myself was under 20g of fat per day, never over 30g.

Again, she is dispensing nutrition advice without any idea of the long term implications of what she is encouraging others to do, in this case, she’s specifically recommending a dietary level of fat which would fail to meet minimum requirements for essential fatty acids. Considering she’s taken no time to educate herself about protein, why should anyone be surprised she has no clue meeting essential fatty acid requirements for humans. Let’s not forget her mentor, Kimmer, couldn’t and wouldn’t answer the question Jimmy Moore posed about meeting essential fatty acids on Kimkins, so why would Christin be any wiser?

Lastly, she tackles carbohydrate by saying:

Carbs – UNDER 20g total! This is not net carbs. We count all carbs! Please keep in mind that this is not a goal to be attained, this is a limit not to go over. Actually the less the better! Your 20g limit should be a brick wall. It can be very destructive thinking if you see that one day you have had say 8g and you think hey… I’ve got 12 more carbs to use up right? NO!!! If you’re not hungry, then please… stay away! You don’t have 12 more to use up… you’ve saved yourself 12cb! In actuality, it is even better if you can keep your carb count under 10g. If you are hungry, much better to reach for a little extra protein instead.

While we also feel restricting carbohydrate in the diet has merit, it’s difficult to wrap our heads around the idea that if someone has consumed 8 grams of carbohydrate during the day and is sitting down to dinner they’ll remember Christins words and pass on the cup of broccoli, with its 12 grams of carbohydrate and whopping 55 calories.

Christin’s belief that one should ’stay away’ from something as calorically benign as a cup of broccoli leaves us wondering how anyone can take her seriously.

From her FitDay records it’s clear she starved herself to lose the weight. Now in her My Daily Plate food journal it’s clear her diet is now filled with mostly packaged products and her calorie intake, which is up and down, is still below what should be normal for a woman her age, weight and height. But she is the face of Kimkins and now representing the company too as Director of Media and Public Relations. While Christin may indeed be a good person, and we have no reason to believe she’s not, one cannot distance the fact that she has been a paid affiliate all along, thus has had a vested interest in promoting Kimkins. Now is a paid staff member who is a corporate officer. When people read her words encouraging them and others to starve themself, they need to be aware of this conflict-of-interest.

Someone should also make her aware that as the representative face of Kimkins, and now a Director within the company, she is opening herself up to personal liability should anyone be harmed from her online advice. That’s because it’s highly unlikely that ‘Kimmer’ has protected her staff with the purchase of Directors & Officers insurance. Maybe Christin should insist on such an insurance policy, or better yet, maybe cease and desist with the dietary advice until she is adequately educated to do so?

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August 14, 2007 at 8:28 pm

SusieQ

Christin seems like a nice girl. But, you’re right, she’s giving out diet advice to starve like candy and has no idea the health consequences for those she’s giving it to. Maybe she’ll read this and reconsider just how rah-rah kimkins she wants to really be?

August 14, 2007 at 8:29 pm

Roger Doger

Between you and Slamboard I’m convinced this diet sucks, Kimmer is a fraud and this thing called Kimkins needs to be shut down.

August 14, 2007 at 8:31 pm

LCer

Yanno, this is somethign I worried about for Christin. She is young and she is very naive. She’s also completely blind about Heidi and thinks that Kimkins “saved her life” when she has no idea yet if she’s done damage to her body and health for the long term. I pray she hasn’t. But the information out there about very low-calorie diets is scary to think about, especially for the future…and that Christin is a mother of two small children. What is she goign to do if she really did do something to her body for the long-term?

August 14, 2007 at 8:40 pm

Maddie

What makes Christin think she knows what she’s talking about when it comes to telling others how to eat? Good God she starved herself thin and now she’s going to tell others to do it too? I looked at her Fitday and really hope she’s not feeding her children like that too!

August 14, 2007 at 8:41 pm

LuvLowCarb

Christin needs to wake up and realize she’s being used by Kimmer.

August 14, 2007 at 8:47 pm

Laura

I feel really bad for Christin. Not because you guys wrote about her, but because she is being used by Kimmer and either doesn’t realize it, or doesn’t care because the money is good for her family. It’s sad to think she may get in trouble in all this. She really should do what Jimmy Moore did and actually look at what people are saying before she just jumps in more with both feet and doesn’t consider the harm she can do with her advice.

August 14, 2007 at 8:48 pm

MollyB

You shouldn’t pick on Christin. She is naive and it shows in her writing and her advice.

August 14, 2007 at 8:50 pm

Josh

You guys keep amazing me with your stuff. Boy Christin should be worried about her future health more than a paycheck! I had no idea she ate that little to lose the weight. Her FD is scary!

August 14, 2007 at 8:51 pm

MeltingMe

Just found your post at LCF. Another good one, but I’m sure you’ll get slammed for criticizing Christin (I think it is deserved BTW, she is giving really bad diet recommendations).

August 14, 2007 at 9:01 pm

Missy

I think it’s great that Christin lost 100lbs, but she shouldn’t be giving out advice on what to eat if she’s not trained properly. By her own words and fitday she wasn’t eating much and was probably, as you said, starving to lose the weight.

If you look at what she is saying, the most one could eat in her guideline is 710 calories…..80 calories carb (20g), 270 calories fat (30g) and 360 calories protein (90g). But even that’s more than one would eat since the 20g carb is max and includes fiber which has no calories. If you did her lowend advice and ate 10g carb (40 cals), 70g protein (280 cals) and 20g fat (180 cals), that’s just 500 calories a day. How can she sleep at night telling people to eat like that?

August 14, 2007 at 9:02 pm

OMG

To tell people to eat just 500-700 calories a day is criminal.

August 14, 2007 at 9:04 pm

LadyRed

This just makes me so sad. Poor Christin. God only knows what she’s done to her metabolism and health for the future.

August 14, 2007 at 9:06 pm

Joe

If Chrissy doesn’t start eating soon, she’s going to have a lot of health probelsm later.

August 14, 2007 at 9:10 pm

Oh My!

Ya know, I used to think Christin was just pretty happy about losing the weight. I didn’t realize she was making money. Now she’s on salary too? No wonder she’s out there posting and blogging all the time!

August 14, 2007 at 9:12 pm

Gracie

Well, you just gave the hens at Kimkins another thread to start and bitch on! They have like five different bitchfests going on about this and other blogs that are telling about what is going on inside! LOL

August 14, 2007 at 9:20 pm

GollyGee

So, who’s next on the hit list? Deni?

August 14, 2007 at 9:22 pm

LC4EVER

It sounds like Christin is pretty proud of her weight loss, which is totally understandable. But to go out and promote how she did it as healthy is totally INSANE!

I really hope people stop and think before they pay over $60 to starve themselves!

August 14, 2007 at 9:23 pm

Shari

It is really frightening to think how easy it is to be sucked in by the idea of losing weight fast, only to find out later when you’re older that you’re messed up your body and health.

I wonder if Christin is going to look back in ten or twenty years and realize that the health probelms she has are from this diet?

August 14, 2007 at 9:27 pm

No Escape

It’s an ego-trip for Christin. She’s been fat since she was a little girl and now is thin. I am really happy for her, but she’s not able to see what she’s doing is harmful to others. It’s like she’s found religion and now has to tell the world.

August 14, 2007 at 9:29 pm

LaurieB

I think Christine should be held accountable for telling people to eat only, at most, 700 calories a day. That’s not healthy and if she’s out there telling people to do that, she should be held responsible for giving out advice without training.

August 14, 2007 at 9:39 pm

Joy

Dr. Nick Yphantides, M.D. wrote “My Big Fat Greek Diet”. He lost 220 lbs in a very short time by drinking low carb/calorie shakes (around 600 calories a day). He’s a doctor, did his research a year before embarking in this way of weight loss. He wanted to loose the weight in a short time and not spend 2-3 years doing it. He’s kept the weight off since then, and wrote a pretty good book about it. (If you don’t mind reading about all the great baseball fields he visited!). As long as you have your doctor’s consent and stay current with physicals, I don’t see the reason for the outrage over this Kimkins diet.

August 14, 2007 at 9:40 pm

Gerri

kimmer is just worried about one thing….making sure people lose weight fast. It doesn’t matter if they get sick, or their hair falls out, or their thyroid gets burnt out….it’s all about fast weight loss. It’s sick and it’s enticing.

Now Christin is in so deep she too is on the go as low as you can bandwagon….she has no clue about how harmful her advice is to those reading her posts. I think she shuld be held to teh same standard as anyone else….she needs to be certified to give diet advice….period.

August 14, 2007 at 9:41 pm

Okie Dokie

The hens bitching comment is LOL!

It’s true though. Anyone who has access to the site can get a hoot of a laugh at how they’re all moaning and groaning about sites like this one!

TOO BAD!

If they do the right thing thse sites will go away. Oh, but wait….that would mean kimkins is outta business! Oh yea…..let’s keep it up until that happens!

August 14, 2007 at 10:02 pm

Foodie

Hey, if they all want to starve themselves, let them! More greasy burgers for us!!!! Whooooooie!

August 14, 2007 at 10:11 pm

Pathetic

You guys need to get a life!

Leave Christin alone.

Leave Kimmer alone.

Leave us alone!

August 14, 2007 at 10:14 pm

Danielle

I feel sorry for Christin.

August 14, 2007 at 10:17 pm

DrFatkinsSucks

Good heavens! Kimkins is a lean low-carb plan, like any other low-carb plan and healthy….Christin had great blood work numbers and is healthy! So what if she ate low calories….isn’t the point of dieting to reduce calories to lose weight? What part of this do you not get?

August 14, 2007 at 10:19 pm

KimkinsFans

Get over it already!

August 14, 2007 at 10:22 pm

Fran

hmmmm

interesting

christin does look good now that she lost the weight

but is she healthy?

who knows?

WHO CARES!

August 14, 2007 at 10:46 pm

Madison

Christin should talk to a lawyer to find out how much liability she might have in all this….and if posts like this one are actionable!

August 14, 2007 at 10:48 pm

Learjet

I think Kimkins is dangerous and the stuff you are posting is valuable to educate people so they’re not hoodwinked into wasting $60 to join.

August 14, 2007 at 10:56 pm

Kimkins Dangers

Please note the well thought out, intelligent, articulate and informational responses from those defending Kimkins. (/sarcasm)

I keep saying this.. but the more I see the more concerned I am over the mob mentality of the Kimkinistas. (At least the one or two that continually post the comments bereft of any coherent thought or rebuttal.)

Kimkinsfan, DrFatkinsSucks (who obviously doesn’t suck that bad or Kimmer wouldn’t have stolen his plan), et al, please provide factual evidence to support your claims that Kimkins is healthy and safe, not anecdotal.

If you’re not willing to do that, then you have no power here! Begone! (Wizard of Oz quote.. this issue is so reminiscent of that film, don’t you think? But remember, when Oz admitted his mistakes and the fraud he perpetuated and came out publicly and apologized, he was forgiven.)

August 14, 2007 at 11:11 pm

Eyes Wide Open

I’m amazed at how some people really delude themselves and will do anything to lose weight. If and when Christin maintains her weight for atleast FIVE YEARS, then I might be impressed. The stats are so against her being able to that I’m not at all impressed with five months of maintaining. It’s silly to consider that as proof you know how to eat now or that you’re going to be able to keep it up for life!

Christin, if you’re reading this, I’d strongly suggest you take care of yourself and get as far away from Kimkins as possible. When the poopy-hits-the-fan you don’t want to get splattered!

August 14, 2007 at 11:12 pm

concerned

Christin is a 28 year-old adult who must, after all this time, be aware of the health concerns others have written about the diet she is promoting.

She has made a decision, for whatever reason, to apparently disregard these concerns. While the diet might have worked for her personal short-term weight loss, I fail to understand how she could be so blinded as to believe that this is the “answer” for healthy weightloss for everyone else.

Despite all the information that has came out about Kimkins business practices (marketing to anorexics and teens, among other things), despite all the health issues that Kimkins members have disclosed… not only has Christin maintained her affiliation and support of this controversial diet, but she now is a full-fledged member of the decision-making team at Kimkins.

While I also feel sorry for her to undergo such a public and negative spotlight, it is NOT the naysayers who have caused this situation. It is Heidi Diaz who has driven the spotlight towards Christin. And it is Christin herself for apparently being blinded by the light.

August 14, 2007 at 11:36 pm

Marissa

You can’t really think you’re going to convince 37,000 members of Kimkins they’re eating an unhealthy diet when they’re losing weight, can you?

When they’re in the throughs of the starvation euphoria nothing is going to convince them to eat more. They’re over riding all systems that are telling them to eat, telling them they’re starving.

Sad but true. 😦

August 15, 2007 at 12:15 am

Sara

I guess she wasn’t too happy that you figured those averages out. “No public fitday for that user”. Maybe she’s not as naive as some people think.

August 15, 2007 at 12:55 am

Action Time

If you are interested in signing a petition to have the FTC investigate
Kimkins, please go here:

http://www.petitiononline.com/kimkins/petition.html

Someone passed me this information and I thought some of you would
like to know..If this is NEW stuff, then forgive me.

August 15, 2007 at 1:05 am

#1 Fan of Kimmerexia

You couldn’t convince me that there is really 37,000 members at Kimkins! LOL

August 15, 2007 at 1:48 am

kimkins4life

Oh my so many jealous people….Christin you look hot so keep up the good work! I believe 100% in Kimmer and her plan…….people quit complaining and join us. Losing this fast made me a believer, and it will you too!

August 15, 2007 at 1:58 am

Joy

No comments about Dr. Nick Yphantides, M.D. who wrote “My Big Fat Greek Diet”? He lost weight drinking low carb shakes, and very fast! What are your thoughts about him and his plan? Do you think it’s similiar to Kimkins? Is his way safe?

August 15, 2007 at 2:09 am

Pam

In response to the poster who mentioned Yphantides: his liquid shake program provided 100g protein AND 100g carbohydrate per day (800 cals). This is quite different than the guidelines published for Kimkins. This nutritional information is available at the website of the manufacturers of the shake product/program he used.

Also, if you read the book, he himself is a medical doctor who had another medical doctor supervise his weight-loss. This is (so far) not true for KK.

Furthermore, the liquid protein programs (though I do not advocate them) have in place, along with regular medical monitoring, refeeding and maintenance training and programs. In Yphantides’ book, it’s unclear whether he followed the specified program when transitioning to food—regardless, he HAD a plan for maintenance, which further distinguishes his example from the fraud that is Kimkins.

August 15, 2007 at 2:40 am

Kimmerexia

Uh oh!!!

Christin’s Fitday links have suddenly gone *POOF*.

August 15, 2007 at 7:06 am

Kimkins Dangers

37,000 members?!? Where?!?

I hope we can convince even 1 person to stop doing that ridiculous, dangerous diet or prevent 1 person from signing up and killing themselves by starvation.

As for the other 36,999, the information is clearly presented in many ways, shapes and forms. If they chose not to avail themselves of it, then I hope they’re just really lucky people and aren’t harmed by this craziness.

August 15, 2007 at 9:19 am

Sherrie

I agree with LaurieB

Its one thing to be young and niave, to think your untouchable and be reckless with how you treat your body BUT its another thing to go dishing out advice like that to others. If she really doesn’t know beyond a shadow of a doubt whether this advice is safe or not then she shouldn’t be dishing it out period.

August 15, 2007 at 1:17 pm

Sue

Christin posted her cholesterol numbers:
Cholesterol – Ideal = <175 Mine = 163
Triglycerides – Ideal = <100 Mine = 69
LDL (bad cholesterol)- Ideal = <100 Mine = 75
Cholesterol/HDL ratio – Ideal = 1.0-5.0 Mine = 2.2
HDL (good cholesterol) – Ideal = 50< Mine = 74!

Here is a new blog by Kimmer regarding my recent physical and some exciting information!

Kimkins: Christin Has Great Cholesterol Numbers!

Apparently my great results from my physical have been confirmed with Doctor Oz, co-author of “You On A Diet.” Thanks Kimmer for sharing this encouragement!

August 15, 2007 at 1:33 pm

Joy

Thanks Pam for your response concerning Dr. Nick Yphantides, M.D. who wrote “My Big Fat Greek Diet”. I think his way of weight loss proves low calorie/low carb/low fat is a safe way to loose, with your doctors consent and monitoring. I’ve lost weight the ’slow, right’ way, and gained it all back (70 lbs) plus 30 more. In the end, it’s maintenance that needs to be addressed, whether you loose fast or slow. It’s fine to give your opinions, but in the end, we are all free to choose. (Yea for America!!!!) I do think we should ALWAYS consult our doctors to make sure whatever we’re doing is safe.

August 15, 2007 at 1:42 pm

Joy

P.S. As many people have stated, advice shouldn’t be given (positive or negative against Kimkins) unless you know without any doubt what you’re saying is 100% accurate. From everything I’ve read about Kimkins, most people are commenting on how they ‘feel’ about the diet, the positive and negative. That leads me to conclude that NO one knows. As with the Atkins diet, time will tell.

August 15, 2007 at 1:54 pm

Christin Dispenses Diet Advice Online Without Qualifications » Kimkins Controversy

[…] Kimkins Exposed takes a close look at Kimkins’ new public relations staffer, covergirl Christi…: From her FitDay records it’s clear she starved herself to lose the weight. Now in her My Daily Plate food journal it’s clear her diet is now filled with mostly packaged products and her calorie intake, which is up and down, is still below what should be normal for a woman her age, weight and height. But she is the face of Kimkins and now representing the company too as Director of Media and Public Relations. While Christin may indeed be a good person, and we have no reason to believe she’s not, one cannot distance the fact that she has been a paid affiliate all along, thus has had a vested interest in promoting Kimkins. Now is a paid staff member who is a corporate officer. When people read her words encouraging them and others to starve themself, they need to be aware of this conflict-of-interest. […]

August 15, 2007 at 2:04 pm

concerned

Regarding Dr. Nick Yphantides, M.D. who wrote “My Big Fat Greek Diet”… he started at *467 lbs*, and had just survived CANCER.

For him, losing weight by any means (including living a whole year on only a liquid protein diet and diet soda) may have been lifesaving in his circumstance. I don’t think that ultralowcalorie diets are necessarily always EVil, particularly for people that are morbidly obese and whose health is greatly compromised…

BUT they should NOT be marketed to people who have 10 lb, 15 lb, 30 lbs to lose!!! And to teens and anorexics… They simply have way too many risks for MOST PEOPLE!

Also, I haven’t read his book, but from the comments on Amazon, it seemed most people were more inspired by Dr. Nick’s story and motivation than the actual “way” he lost his weight. It said that this is NOT a diet book… he provides principals for weight loss for others, not a rock bottom VLCD diet plan.

I guess that means he’s probably also not selling CAMP KIMKINS and SNATTY t-shirts to teens.

August 15, 2007 at 6:01 pm

kimfan

you are all pathetic…get a life

August 15, 2007 at 6:37 pm

Joy

Thanks Concerned for your input about Dr. Nick Yphantides, M.D. You made some very good points. It’s not a diet that makes teens anorexic. Environment, self-worth, home life, and media influences more unhealthy behavior than a diet. I wish there were as much outrage about family values as there were about a diet. Being concerned is good, having an opinion is good as well, however, your info is not based on medical knowledge. Weight loss with a doctor’s approval is best in all situations. That way, low calorie or low fat or supplement/diet product isn’t abused.

August 15, 2007 at 6:47 pm

lowcarber

I think it is interesting that many of the people who feel Kimkins is a dangerous diet, are mostly still obese after doing their Fatkins, or whatever plan they are on.

As Dr, Phil often says, “how’s that working for you”?

August 15, 2007 at 7:28 pm

concerned

To Joy- what I wrote was that Kimkins has marketed to anorexics, which she did via yahoo answers (a question from an anorexic was answered by Kimmer K. promoting kimkins with a link to her website).

And actually, while diets may not be the *only* factor that causes anorexia, according to ANDRED, they are the most common trigger for those who are susceptible: “Perhaps the most common trigger of disordered eating is dieting. It is a bit simplistic, but nonetheless true, to say that if there were no dieting, there would be no anorexia nervosa. Neither would there be the bulimia that people create when they diet, make themselves chronically hungry, overeat in response to hunger pangs and cravings, and then, panicky about weight gain, vomit or otherwise purge to get rid of the calories.”

So, for many people (and not just teens) an ultra-low calorie diet (not just kimkins) could _in fact_ be the trigger for an eating disorder. I have personally experienced this phenomenon from a low calorie liquid protein fast that I did to lose about 20 lbs, and it took years to recover from.

I disagree with your assessment that my info is not based on medical knowledge. But I appreciate your polite response, nonetheless. Best wishes for continued health.

August 15, 2007 at 7:39 pm

concerned

Whoops. I made a mistake; Kimmer K. actually linked them to Jimmy MOORE’s website, that was back when he was still her biggest fan.

August 15, 2007 at 10:10 pm

Joy

Thanks Concerned………very good response. And, you sound like a very nice person. When people are respectful and caring, or concerned in your case, others will listen. I do see your concern about this diet. It should not be a way of eating forever. It should only be for short term, and like you mentioned, for the very overweight people, low calorie diets can work. (Of course only with doctor’s approval!)

As for girls/female, even males now (all ages), we’ve got to get the message across that their weight and looks do not determine their significance in this world. BIG job there!

August 16, 2007 at 12:12 am

Sue

Lowcarber how do you know that people who are saying kimkins is dangerous are mostly obese after doing their fatkins or whatever plan they are on??? That really is a stupid comment. Also, any comments that say people are jealous because of kimkins success are just ridiculous.
Kimkins – is a very low calorie diet and is unhealthy and dangerous. If you really want to lose weight fast – do it if you must – but short-term only. But be prepared for some issues afterwards.
BTW there are plenty of people losing weight and eating their fill of good wholesome fat. The fat that you cells just love!! That’s right fat is not such a fiend. That’s what low carb is all about – embracing the fat.

August 16, 2007 at 4:58 pm

Mel

Christin needs to be doing something else besides teaching others how to starve….

August 16, 2007 at 6:37 pm

lowcarber

Well, Sue, to begin with…you don’t know all the facts. Going Kimkins when one has morbid obesity certainly is more beneficial than continuing the obesity.

Who says people following Kimkins don’t eat healthy fat?? Some may not, but most do. Some folks NEED to lower their fat intake to lose the weight, our bodies are all different.

So, I guess my comment is no more stupid than some of the comments made regarding the Kimkins plans. I don’t know that ALL of the people complaining are fat, but alot of them are.

Are most people jealous of those of us who have lost over 100 pounds in a short time?? I don’t know, but I do know that I feel sorry for the people who continue to eat high fat and think they are going to lose the weight. Those folks are being led down the wrong path, just as others think Kimkins followers are.

If Atkins works for you, that is fine, but for people like me Atkins did not work….I needed to go a step further to lose the weight. Now that I have, Atkins is back in my WOE, original plan minus SOME of the fats.

August 17, 2007 at 1:07 am

Sue

lowcarber, that’s a better response – then all the name calling. Some doing Atkins can initial go too high on the calories and will have to cut back on fat or protein. I don’t think it is necessary to go as low as 500 calories to get weight loss moving again.
Most doing kimkins wouldn’t know what a low carb diet is if it hit them in the face. They need to educate themselves by reading and not take everything that is written at the kimkins website as gospel.
If kimkins is so fantastic its “creator” woudn’t be lurking in the shadows. She would be proudly talking about her plan in the open. I hope she’s maintained her weight as she says for 5 years but if she hasn’t then it tells me that kimkins really doesn’t work and that kimmer hasn’t learned anything about how to maintain weight and most importantly how to maintain good health.

August 17, 2007 at 9:26 pm

Stop the Insanity!

SHAME ON YOU CHRISTIN!





Desperate to Silence About.com

14 08 2007

Last week we reported on the publication of the About.com review of the Kimkins diet by Laura Dolson in her article What is the Kimkins Diet? – The Dangers of Kimkins

Shortly after the article was published, Ms. Dolson recieved an email request to remove the article from the site as it was inaccurate and “based on hearsay.”

Is it hearsay and inaccurate to say

“Kimkins is a diet created by a low-carb dieter who goes by the screen name of Kimmer. It is essentially a diet that’s very low in calories, fat, carbs and fiber. The diet is partly based on the original Atkins diet (1972 version), hence its name.”

Is it hearsay and inaccurate to say

“Kimmer” has declined to give her real name. She claims to have lost almost 200 lbs in less than a year and kept it off for five years on her diet. However, there is no independent confirmation of this, and she refuses to meet in person for interviews.”

Is it hearsay and inaccurate to say

“She is neither a healthcare professional nor a nutrition expert. In fact, in interviews, she seems unaware of the possible nutritional implications of her diet and has dodged questions about basic nutrition, such as essential fatty acids.”

If you take the time to read through the About.com article, you’ll find that no statements are made which are inaccurate or simple hearsay.  But, that didn’t stop the Kimkins management from trying to silence Laura Dolson.  Yesterday they decided a new tactic, encourage their membership to email Ms. Dolson in an attempt to sway her opinion about the diet via an article in the Kimkins Diet newsletter, which included,

ABOUT. COM

We just can’t stay out of the spotlight, LOL!  The website About.com posted a review of the Kimkins Diet.  But, the author, Laura Dolson, used remarks from an anti-Kimkins blog as her “review”?

We’ve offered Laura a complimentary membership so she can see us for herself, but she hasn’t accepted our offer.  Hey, why not?  We don’t bite. )

She says there’s no “proof” that Kimkins works and she’d like to hear firsthand from Kimkins members.  If you’re interested in passing along your weight loss or health results, here’s your chance!

Please email Laura directly at lowcarbdiets.guide@about.com and share your candid thoughts!

Such tactics attempt to silence criticism and show desperation.





Hot for Kimkins Dieters

14 08 2007

Low Carb Friends takes the position that because Kimkins is popular they need to place it within its own section in the Weight Loss Plans section rather than delegate it to the section called ‘Other Plans’.

When our last piece was released, a storm was brewing on the one and only thread allowed for dissent. This promoted Tom, an administrator at the site, to comment on that thread and offer up, in part,

There is no official position or endorsement by LowCarbFriends of Kimkins or any other plan.

Yet Low Carb Friends specficially targets and lures Kimkins dieters to their site through placement of Google Ads.

It seems Low Carb Friends has a vested interest in capturing Kimkins dieters to their site to use it as a vehicle to sell products at Netrition. So much for not having an interest in Kimkims!

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August 14, 2007 at 1:12 pm

Interested, but curious

Good! Let the kimkineers and prospective kimkinistas come to lowcarbfriends.com. There’ll they’ll encounter a wide variety of viewpoints and info about not just Kimkins, but low-carb lifestyles in general. Even if nothing else, they’ll discover that there is a controversy about Kimkins.

A lot of people on that dissent thread say they are former (or were prospective) Kimkins dieters who changed their minds after discovering the info on lowcarbfriends.com.

Jimmy Moore himself credited lowcarbfriends.com with providing the information he needed to come to his realization about Kimkins.

August 14, 2007 at 4:39 pm

kimkinssmith

Taking them to lowcarbfriends means they are surrounded by people who will help them out of that way of eating, rather than to promulgate it. I support lowcarbfriends in its continued efforts to help people through education, aid, and support, and especially when we can lead people to good health.

With peace, love and light.

August 14, 2007 at 8:39 pm

LCer

Not at all surprised. Follow the money. It leads right to Netrition. Explains why they love having Kimkins out there, in front. They make money from it too!

August 14, 2007 at 9:03 pm

OMG

Yuppers, LCF is endorsing KK for the money potential for Netrition.

August 15, 2007 at 3:17 am

concerned

Wow. That is pretty disturbing.

But at the same time, I see it more as an attempt to divert potential members (and their fee) away from the official Kimkins site than as an “endorsement”.

August 15, 2007 at 3:25 am

Janet

What about the anti-kimkins bloggers that are making a little money by displaying kimkins affiliate google ads that send people to the one-sided kimkins site rather than to a balanced discussion group?

You’ve lost your way Ducky. Stay focused.

August 19, 2007 at 2:10 pm

concerned

Well, I think that about says it all regarding how LCF feels about promoting Kimkins. Now, members are ONLY allowed to post their dissenting viewpoints in the Fascination thread. I think that is absolutely absurd.

I guess the LCF management must truly consider Kimkins as a valid plan, and there can be no questionning it (well, unless you want to read thru 3,000 posts)… Nope, we can only be “supportive” to our fellow starving friends (whoops, I mean low carber friends).