What Happened to Ducky??

27 05 2008

Ducky just decided to fade away into the unknown. The blog was pulled, the photos were pulled. The account wiped clean. Even the email no longer works.

Why??

Did ducky feel like all the work was done in bringing Heidi down??

Did Ducky get cold feet??

We will probably never know why they decided to pack it in. Our many questions will most likely go unanswered.

I may ruffle a few feathers but I’ve got to say my piece here. Many of us have busted our rear ends doing things to further tighten the noose on ol’ Heidi, adding one more nail in the coffin. Does Ducky not realize how much valuable information was lost when they decided to pull the blog. Or do they just not care any more.

I fully understand possible activist burnout. I’ve hit the wall many times over the years in the fight for various causes. But I never just gave up. Deleting the blog was childish in my opinion. If they weren’t interested in the fight anymore it would have been very easy just to leave the blog dormant or pass it on to someone who would use it.

Were they afraid someone may find out their identity??

I say so what.

The fight is long from being over with. The truth STILL needs to be told. Oh yeah….one more thing to say…..

WE AIN’T DONE YET

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Let’s Review Important Information

5 10 2007

Since July we’ve posted about the dangers of the Kimkins diet and the deceptions used in selling it.

For those just tuning in, please take a few moments to read some of our most important posts:

Information about the class action lawsuit is available here.

Information about requesting refunds at PayPal is available here.

A summary of the controversy is available on Wikipedia. (Wiki deleted the article)

UPDATE: Ducky is taking the weekend off to spend time with family and friends. For those new to our blog, please take some time this weekend to read our posts and understand why we feel it is important the truth about Kimkins and Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) be exposed. For those continuing along and keeping up, we’ll be back on Monday and hope you’ll take a breather this weekend too to relax and have some fun!

We will be moderating comments over the weekend, so if you leave a comment, it will be in the queue until we get to it as we have time throughout the weekend.

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October 5, 2007 at 2:06 pm

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October 5, 2007 at 2:28 pm

McLurkypants

After some back & forth over deletion attempts, I’ve gotten an article to stick on Wikipedia – all familiar with Wikipedia editing should feel free to hop over there and contribute! Kimkins Controversy on Wikipedia.

October 5, 2007 at 2:51 pm

Ducky Does a Recap « Kimkins Scam

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October 5, 2007 at 2:58 pm

BamaGal

Here is something else that needs addressing, the Ezine articles. I did a couple of blog posts about it. I still have not received any info from them. But they have addressed it in their own blog. Check out these links.

Ezine Articles « Kimkins Scam

EzineArticles Blog » Battles We Did Not Ask For

October 5, 2007 at 3:07 pm

captivated

mclurkypants – that is beautiful!

i can’t stop watching this story unfold. it’s like the OJ trial!

October 5, 2007 at 11:12 pm

Cryssi

*********for ducky**********

This was made by Gina for you over at LCF. These are the new badges we’re all sporting in leiu of the rubber ducks.

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/9311882-post872.html

October 6, 2007 at 2:07 am

Susan

Looks like the Wiki article is down. I was really hoping to check it out, too!
Did anyone copy the Wiki article anywhere that can be read now?

October 6, 2007 at 2:58 am

Kimmer Is Busted

http://www.behappy2day.com/girls_info.php?i=6077&f=1

October 6, 2007 at 3:02 am

kim

Dude, go to LCF, they found the red dress.

October 6, 2007 at 3:02 am

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October 6, 2007 at 3:07 am

kkatastrophediet

http://www.behappy2day.com/girls_info.php?i=6077&f=1

red dress alert!

October 6, 2007 at 3:12 am

HoneyBee

The big fake picture source was found…Kimmer in the red dress goes by the name Lesya http://www.behappy2day.com/girls_info.php?i=6077&f=1

October 6, 2007 at 3:47 am

Concerned about kimkins

Ducky Wake the hell up!!!!

http://www.behappy2day.com/girls_info.php?i=6077&f=1

October 6, 2007 at 3:53 am

BamaGal

The lady in the red dress as been found!!!

http://www.behappy2day.com/girls_info.php?i=6077&f=1

October 6, 2007 at 5:34 am

Laura

Here’s the Lady in Red:

Lesya

http://www.behappy2day.com/girls_info.php?i=6077&f=1

http://www.behappy2day.com/girls_info.php?i=6077&f=2

October 6, 2007 at 5:47 am

McLurkypants

Have you heard that the RED DRESS photo Kimmer presented as hers has been found on one of those Russian mail order bride sites by a woman named “Buzzybee” at LCF??

HERE she is!

October 6, 2007 at 5:48 am

McLurkypants

OK I don’t know if that link works?

http://www.behappy2day.com/girls_info.php?i=6077&f=1

October 6, 2007 at 8:30 am

Princess Dieter

The Red Dress has been found. 🙂 And Ducky missed it. Dang, Ducky.

But I’m sure by Monday, when you return, there will be all sorts of new reports about the Kimtanic.

Happy Weekend All. I feel sooooo good about that pic being found. YES!

The Princess

October 6, 2007 at 1:02 pm

Susan

Hmm, my post of last night is gone… Anyway, I had posted that the Wiki article is down. Anyone have a copy posted elsewhere that we can read?

October 6, 2007 at 1:13 pm

Princess Dieter

Yeah, it supersucks that they deleted it. McLurky had done a great job, lots of good links. I hope it’s reinstated.

The Princess

October 6, 2007 at 2:14 pm

Susan

PD, I know – I hope to see the Wiki article soon.
McLurky, any chance you kept a copy?
Wow! I wake up this morning to a Blizzard of Red Dresses! This is great.

October 6, 2007 at 3:11 pm

thatgirl

I can’t get into LCF right now. Grrrr. Internet page cannot be displyed. I wonder if Heidi was letting Brandon out his hacker hat on again.

October 6, 2007 at 4:42 pm

Susan

Yep, LCF boards appear to be down. I was able to go to LCD and to the main board page, but was unable to access specific links such as Stillmans etc.

Can’t wait to see what Darth Kimmer still has up her sleeve.

My prediction is her next spin will be to play her sympathy card. She will take a page from the Paris / Brittney playbook.

October 7, 2007 at 2:13 am

McLurkypants

Susan & Ducky, I am having to go thru the challenge procedure on Wikipedia (AGAIN). I have the support of the admins who deleted it the first time I put it up – we shall see what happens.

I AM SO PISSED that I didn’t save a copy of it! Others had gone on and edited & added so much stuff, it was really growing. I hope it will come back – I’ll spread the word when it does. Glad you appreciated it!

October 8, 2007 at 3:10 pm

theTRUTH

This is for the California attorney generals consumer complaint form.

http://ag.ca.gov/contact/complaint_form.php?cmplt=CL

December 27, 2007 at 4:57 pm

katinsac

Friends don’t let friends do Kimkins! Remember that cover girl on the WW Mag? Well, she learned the hard way about Kimkins and it’s dangers!! Read her blog and decide for yourself.

http://the-journey-on.blogspot.com/

December 27, 2007 at 9:43 pm

katinsac

Now that you know the Truth…Join the Lawsuit!!

http://kimkinslawsuit.wordpress.com/





Becky Continues

27 09 2007

Just moments ago, Becky posted a continuation of Kimkins: The Perfect Storm.

Now, a look at the professional practices of Kimkins.

Kimmer first gave out her brand of diet advice (as well as hair care and skin care tips) for years on Low Carb Friends, which garnered both followers and foes. I am not sure when the idea of her own site first began in her mind, whether it was all a carefully-laid plan, or just an opportunity too good to pass up when it arose. Judging from her track record of not sticking very long with any one thing (whether it be school or work or a relationship), I would guess that it was the latter. My conjecture is that she joined the diet site in all sincerity, hoping to lose weight like anyone else. She probably learned some things and had some initial success, but then, being Kimmer, she just couldn’t help embellishing things a bit, highlighting her successes and ignoring her failings, amplifying it more and more, becoming more extreme over time, as it began to attract some attention. Gradually, the gap between her words and her actions widened, as she could not follow through with her knowledge and intentions, but could not allow herself to back down and admit it, either.

She may have done what many of us have done —- promised herself to get back on track tomorrow, next week, next month, try to be extra strict to make up for it, only to give in to her old ways again. Her real life wasn’t working for her at all — but online she could be the best possible version of herself, everything she every dreamed of, until perhaps she came to believe it herself. The attention and approbation were too addicting.

At some point, it seems, delusion reigned supreme, and there was no backing down. As her claims became more grandiose and her polarizing presence began to dominate and draw heat more and more at the LCF forum, another member, Catherine, approached her with the idea of an ebook and a website to sell it. (Read more here.) I think it was the brass ring, the golden goose, and Kimmer/Heidi grabbed at the opportunity for . Once that thought was there, I do believe Kimmer purposely aggravated her enemies and gathered her fans even more, setting the stage for her big exit. Soon, ‘Kimmer’ flounced off in a huff, and Kimkins.com was launched as a partnership between Heidi Diaz, supposed diet guru and Catherine McDonald, tech expert.

In the early days of the Kimkins website, Kimmer seemed to have it all — a successful diet plan, satisfied customers who were easy to please, low overhead, and a competent business partner who made her ideas work. Her departure from LCF calmed down hostilities quite a bit all around, and Kimmer was left to operate her own site in her own little corner of the internet with little interference. If she had made the right moves then, Heidi/Kimmer might possibly have been able to continue on course to a legitimate business success for quite some time to come. However, because Kimmer at her core is a fraud, it was inevitable that any enterprise built on that basis would soon begin to crumble.

Kimmer was not only a fraud in her own personal claims of large, rapid weight loss, but she soon began building the business of Kimkins around fraud at virtually every level — member service, marketing, and management.

~ Fraudulent Member Service: She lied to her members about the safety and efficacy of her diet plans, leading them to believe her plans were safely based on the recognized plans of doctors such as Dr. Atkins and Dr. Stillman, while continuing to push them ever farther away from the cautions and sensible limits of those plans. She assured members it was safe, because, after all, it had worked so well for her, or so she said. She also began to be less and less available to members, despite her promised member benefit of ‘personal coaching‘. She ignored or gave inadequate and misleading answers to valid member concerns. This was because she apparently preferred to spend her energies on marketing, to keep new paying customers coming in the front door while leaving the members mostly on their own to look out for one another.

~ Fraudulent Marketing: In her marketing campaign, she lied to prospective members by spamming Craigslist with fake listings to plug Kimkins, by posting phony ‘articles’ and answers and numerous blogs for Kimkins all over the internet under various names, by promoting Kimkins with false implied celebrity endorsements specifically to target teens, and primarily by posting numerous fraudulent ’success’ stories with ‘lifted’ and photoshopped ‘before’ and ‘after’ pictures. She also made numerous claims she had no proof of or right to make, in violation of FTC regulations.

~ Fraudulent Management: Heidi/Kimmer entered into partnership with Catherine originally under false pretenses, and continued to lie to her about many things, including the source of the ‘success stories‘. It also appears that Heidi skimmed a certain part of the gross proceeds from the partnership before profits were split, by funneling income to supposed affiliate accounts which actually led back to her. It is unclear whether proper legal or tax filings were ever made, though it does not appear they were.

In matters big and small, every bit of the Kimkins enterprise was fraught with deception. It was bound to catch up to her sooner or later.

Before too long, Catherine began to have concerns about Heidi’s integrity, and backed out of the partnership. At this point, Kimmer claims to have brought in 4 other partners to finance Catherine’s buyout, but this is highly doubtful. For one thing, one of the partners she claims to have brought in at that time is Heidi Diaz, but photographic and written evidence clearly shows that Kimmer herself is Heidi Diaz. (For example, Kimmer has always acknowledged that Catherine was her partner in the beginning, and Catherine signed the original partnership agreement with Heidi Diaz.) Other names mentioned as possible ‘partners’ include Dennis Sharp (her son), Vanessa Sharp and/or Romero (Vanessa Romero is her niece), Nicki or Nikki Sharp, and Tish Diaz. It is extremely unlikely that these relatives are actually working, decision-making partners as Kimmer leads people to believe. It is possible they put up some money so Heidi could buy out Catherine; it is possible she got money from them under some other pretext; it is very possible they know little or nothing, and she is just using their names to seem like a larger and more legitimate enterprise. Nicki and later Vanessa disappeared from the “Meet Your Team’ roster some time ago, so it is possible they were based on actual people who became aware of the use of their identities, and protested it.

I have seen various things supposedly ‘written’ by some of those names and now Brad Johnson. To me. they all have the same unmistakable writing style, and are all almost surely written by Heidi herself, who freely admits to writing frequently under various male and female names. No one has ever spoken or communicated with any of them, except through Kimmer, and she trotted out the same excuses over and over as to why they were not available. (Usually they were ‘called out of town to deal with a sick father’.) Kimmer herself often spoke to me of doing all affiliate payouts and answering affiliate questions, even though she supposedly had an affiliate manager. These ‘partners’ were probably a construct that Kimmer used to pass blame, as when criticizing someone (’the partners don’t think they are getting their money’s worth’) or floating unpopular ideas (’the partners are pressing to make the fees monthly vs. lifetime membership’, which she brought up to me several times), as well as to provide other ‘identities’ under which to hide income.

In fact, there is no good reason to assume that the entity of Kimkins is anything other than Heidi Diaz sitting at her computer pumping out fraudulent marketing and picking up funds from Paypal and the mailbox, with a tech guy or two working remotely and unaware of the real situation, and paid and unpaid admins and members doing the heavy lifting on the site.

The best of businesses, with a solid business plan and an experienced team of managers would have been hard pressed to absorb the massive explosion of growth that occurred with the Woman’s World magazine feature. Kimmer only had forum helpers with very little knowledge of the true nature of the business; after all, she could not afford to bring anyone into her confidence, because she had too many secrets to hide. So, Heidi was suddenly way out of her league. She was gleeful at the funds rolling in, and foolishly thought she could continue to get away with the same type of scamming indefinitely. She was even in contact with Star magazine for another feature. Who knows? Maybe she even thought she could lose the weight, go legit, and make it work. However, her newfound success soon began to cave in on her.

Once thousands of new members hit the site and began trying to understand and apply the diet, the pressure was too heavy and all the cracks in the foundation soon began to appear. Without the personal mentoring and reinterpretation of the diets that new members had received before, the flaws and gaps in Heidi’s business soon became very evident. Many of those coming in with fresh eyes clearly saw the disparity between what was promised and what was delivered. Many clearly saw the dangers of the diet plans, all of them. Of the 40,000 or more who joined, most never even tried the diet once they actually saw it, and many who did try it did not stick with it long. Meanwhile, all the massive attention the diet was receiving reignited the souldering controversy that she thought she had left behind at LCF. However, Heidi did have two things working in her favor: the misplaced support of people like me who encouraged new members to stick with it, and the absolute sheer desperation of overweight people who had almost given up hope. For my own blindness and supporting role in it, I am sick-to-my-stomach sorry, and beg forgiveness.

At this time, Heidi seemed manic with delight over the income rolling in, and eager to spin off new ventures – more magazine and media features, merchandise, and related enterprises like the nutrition business she offered me. She could hardly be bothered with member support or complaints, and brushed off all concerns as something irrelevant, hardly worthy of her attention, even as worrisome side effects and evidences of her dishonesty mounted. Thus, the round of emails I pressed on her, with the results that we admins began to leave and express our concerns and experiences.

Our exits and warnings further precipitated a rash of blockings and bannings, as other members took up the banner and began speaking out. The business of Kimkins is now woefully in breech of the terms of their agreement with their members, who paid for lifetime membership in a healthy and safe diet followed by a woman who lost 198 lbs in 11 months and maintained it, only to be booted without warning when they complained that the diet was unsafe and the owner’s story was a lie. Members have had ‘privileges’ like private messaging and blog links in their signatures revoked, have been flamed and harangued mercilessly for any hint of breaking ranks,and have been banned without warning, redress, or refund on the vaguest pretext of ‘violation of Terms of Service’, which, like the diet plans and disclaimers, are an ever-moving target, conveniently changed after the fact.

Kimmer had it all — a million dollar website, a great staff, great member loyalty, and great future prospects. And due to great greed, arrogance, and dishonesty she threw it away.

Kimmer is now behaving like a rat backed into a corner, biting and snarling, while looking for a way of to escape unscathed. She is starting to meltdown, trying to cover her tracks and salvage what she can, leaving more of the running of things in the hands of unqualified admins. Perhaps she still thinks she can pull it off, or perhaps she is making her exit plans. As she continues to overestimate herself and underestimate her opponents, she will find, once again, that she has made a grave mistake in waiting too long.

Kimmer is a dangerous fraud, and the business of Kimkins is a dangerous fraud.

Both need to be stopped, and the sooner, the better.

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September 27, 2007 at 7:47 pm

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September 27, 2007 at 7:50 pm

Mimi

A note about the timeline … correct me if I’m wrong, but from all the digging that’s been done, Kimkins.com was set up BEFORE Heidi left LCF.

She had found LCF fertile ground for cultivating a crop of victims, but couldn’t harvest them until (according to the CreditBoard) her bankruptcy and other liens had “timed off.”

In the meantime, she was getting the website ready. When the time-off date had passed, that’s when she left LCF and started charging money for memberships.

This is, to the best of my knowledge, the REAL timeline.

September 27, 2007 at 8:01 pm

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September 27, 2007 at 8:10 pm

Becky/Littlebit

I believe that Kimkins.com as a domain name was registered in April. 2006, the big flail-up happened in late May or early June, with site launch very shortly after.

Catherine or Martin would know more.

September 27, 2007 at 8:21 pm

Mimi

Yes I’m confusing registration of the domain, with opening the board. What I mean is, basically, she was laying the groundwork for the board, preparing, and building up to her dramatic exit from LCF.

As one of the other commenters has stated elsewhere, Heidi isn’t mentally ill — she’s simply evil, and she knows exactly what she’s doing. She’s fully aware of her intentions and her actions, fully capable of outcome-based behaviors.

September 27, 2007 at 9:54 pm

Tam (Kimkins refugee)

Becky (assuming you come back to this blog), after the WW article, was it ever *confirmed* that over 35,000 new members actually paid the life-time membership fee? Confirmed by anyone other than Kimmer, I should say. Did you have access to those types of figures, names and numbers?

I was a member there at the time and, yes, it was mind-boggling with the flood of new members, but close to 40,000? I’ve always had trouble believing that figure. If that’s really the case, the vast majority of them obviously didn’t stick around to post in the forums.

Don’t get me wrong. I don’t doubt YOU, Becky. But I can see how Kimmer would exaggerate the numbers just, as you said, “to seem like a larger and more legitimate enterprise.”

If the 40,000 figure is anywhere close to accurate … where are all these people? Those of us protesting here, at ALC, LCF, etc. are just the tip of the iceberg.

September 27, 2007 at 10:19 pm

Princess Dieter

It would be interesting to know when Kimmer-Heidi’s son turned legal age. Maybe THAT is what she was waiting for, since she put the site under his name. If the son turned 18 Spring of 2006, that would definitely put the motivation there…

(Can a 17 yeard old have a site registered under their name? I have no idea.)

And I totally believe she’d be going to LCF to gather her following before heading off.

The Princess

September 27, 2007 at 10:45 pm

antikimkins

Kimmer certainly doesn’t appear to be a millionaire, in fact, she still seems to have money problems. I wonder out of the thousands who joined after the WW article, how many requested refunds within that 24 hour block?

September 27, 2007 at 11:20 pm

Becky/Littlebit

Kimmer canceled the 24- hour refund policy prior to the magazine feature. She did give out some refunds from those who joined and cited kidney problems or other medical concerns, once they saw the diet, but very few.

I cannot prove those figures are accurate, but i would not be at all surprised if the membership numbers are not actually higher now.

I know how busy i was. I saw the posts rolling through there. At one time, I had access to member service emails, and she was getting literally thousands of emails a day. I was getting scores of PMs, as were many others. We had thousands online at a time, and hundreds posting intros and joining new challenges every day.

She also became suddenly very elated, and became much more willing to pay for help.

I imagine many signed up, looked at the diets, and left quickly, chalking it up to an expensive lesson learned. Most were not a typical online crowd. Quite a few lurked, but did not post. Many posted, but have dropped out now. Many have gotten banned, or cowed into silence. Still, they paid, and she kept the money.

She only took the membership and online numbers down when she began drawing too much fire from LCF, Slamboard, etc. I believe she wanted to reduce speculation into her gross profits once people started doing the math.

I have heard people say that they would look online and not see many people there back then. Perhaps they were not looking in the right places, because that was not at all the case then. The way the site was set up, the number reflected on a forum index page did not reflect the number actually viewing threads within that particular forum, but only the number of people looking at that index page at the time. You would have to open each thread to get a full count.

Only she knows for sure what her full intake was, but I have reason to believe it was quite high.

She told me she had only put back into the business what was absolutely necessary, and had the rest invested at a 10% rate of return. Who knows if that is true?

I do not believe she planned this out years in advance. I think she posted at LCF first for ego and power, and only later for money. I just don’t see her as someone who can sustain hard work for long without some kind of a payoff, but rather as an opportunist. I could be wrong. Time will tell.

September 28, 2007 at 2:04 am

Tam (Kimkins refugee)

Thank you, Becky, for that insight. I guess I’ve been hoping for lower numbers because that would mean fewer people were scammed, but it looks like she really was/is raking in the big bucks. Thanks again.

September 28, 2007 at 2:47 am

Dottie

Becky that’s very insightful. I also do not think that this giant “venture” was on her mind when she started out on LCF. Looking back on when she left, I really think she was planning on just getting $$ out of maybe a couple of dozen of her “fans” off LCF, then shutting the site down due to lack of funds (or hitting the members up for more $$ to “run” it).
I don’t really think she had any idea that it would take off in the big way that it did.

September 28, 2007 at 7:15 am

Princess Dieter

I totally believe there was a windfall from WW. That kind of coverage is sure to do that.

And I’m sure H/K knew to keep the money inflow quiet and the lifestyle discreet so as to keep all sorts off her back. Spending oodles would have drawn attention, I think. There is also the miser phenomenon where accumulating the money is the kick, not spending it. In fact, spending it reduces the pleasure of actually having a hoard.

Even if it’s half the reported 40K, that’s a lot of mookah going mostly to ONE woman who is hardly accountable. She got the Paypal and the checks. Why should she be truthful about how much when she’s not truthful about the rest?

And if she can offer Christian a car, then 100K for an Oprah brass ring, trust me, that means she had to have a nice, tidy reserve.

It would only have taken 10K members after WW to get 600K. And if that’s not reported or paid taxes on, that’s a nice chunk for any “disabled” person on government dole.

Didn’t someone say that the son bragged mom had a million in Paypal? (Can’t verify where that came from. Just remember reading it.)

The Princess

September 28, 2007 at 8:31 am

Sherrie

I think you’re right Becky.

September 30, 2007 at 8:12 pm

Peaches12

Why did all the admin. wait until the same time to quit. If you knew the diet was dangerous why did you continue to state otherwise, was it just the money that kept you going. I’m so confused, I continue to do Kimkins but with a higher fat intake since my body stalled and the increase intake helped it to lose quicker. How could so many been individual’s lifes have been put in jeopardy for merely a paycheck. Can you answer that, Becky?





Kimkins Supporter is Truth Challenged

23 08 2007

An interesting site appeared recently that we were alerted about, The Weightless Answer.

The first post was made on August 13, 2007 and is quite an intriguing read. The blog owner obviously has a beef with many of the sites now exposing the problems surrounding the Kimkins diet and the diet founder, Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) but wrote in such haste that they simply couldn’t keep facts straight which leaves much of the content suspect throughout.

For example, the site owner, who goes by Weightless, shared with readers they started the diet in the middle of June. In comments on another blog, this same blogger stated they joined Kimkins on June 24, 2007, not exactly the middle of June, but really more the end of June.

That was problem one.

Problem two is the claim that in making a decision about paying to join the site, they read all the negative information, “So then I read the negatives… there were the “kimkins-haters” who made annonymous claims over the net that kimkins was based on an overweight woman making false claims taking money to teach the members unhealthy habits which would lead to poor health. They spouted the word: kimknsrexia and balked that “something must be done to shut’er down!”

The problem with this statement is that this is impossible given the date they joined Kimkins was June 24th and the start of the Fascination with Kimmer thread at Low Carb Friends was June 27th.

In comments on Jimmy Moore’s blog, the username Kimmerexia didn’t appear until July 2007, the first Slamboard article didn’t appear until June 30th, and the first criticism of Kimkins as a diet or of the creator, Kimmer, didn’t heat up on Active Low Carber Forums until early July. In June, when Jimmy Moore claimed to be starting Kimkins a thread was started and the discussion revolved around him and whether he was actually doing Kimkins.

So here we find the owner of this site is making up things. If the diet and site were not at the time under fire as this person suggests, how much did she really investigate before joining? This is one more blog set up to portray Kimkins in a positive light, except like others out there, this one too suffers problems of integrity and, to use a Colbertism, truthiness.

Of course our question is who is this anonymous blogger promoting Kimkins with no affiliate ID? Is it Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) with one more alias? Is this new blog the reason Kimmer hasn’t been posting to answer questions asked of her in her forum that claims members have direct access to her?

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August 23, 2007 at 4:22 pm

Karen

And interestingly, the first 2 people to comment on this blog were Deni and Christin, both of whom have a vested interest in Kimkins.com. I think that the person who is writing this blog is either Kimmer herself or was hired by Kimmer. And then Kimmer asked Deni and Christin to comment positively.
Also, the doctor’s comments? Those comments have nothing to do with the Kimkins diets, but the author of the blog would lead you to believe that they do.

August 23, 2007 at 4:23 pm

Maggie

Truth challenged is very accurate for your title!

August 23, 2007 at 4:52 pm

Kimkins Dangers

This “weightless” person continually leaves odd comments on my blog full of circular logic and rationalizations that honestly don’t make any sense. Whoever she is, she seems to be another of the Kimmer Lap Dogs Club and simply goes around spouting untruthful information in an attempt to shift the focus away from Kimmer’s lies and the dangers of Kimkins and onto the “evil bloggers”. She does not however, seem to be able to counter the factual information presented in the anti-kimkins blogs, odd, huh? 🙂

August 23, 2007 at 8:46 pm

Kimmerexia

Ducky sez: “In comments on Jimmy Moore’s blog, the username Kimmerexia didn’t appear until July 2007″.

July 16, to be exact. 🙂

August 23, 2007 at 10:28 pm

Gravely concerned..

This sounds like Kimmer’s style of writing..Another sock puppet maybe?

August 24, 2007 at 5:35 am

weightless

well lets see…
I seem to recall stating that most of the kimkins haters are very good at pointing to “half truths” instead of whole truths…
I actually wrote on my blog that I decided to write my blog based on a subject I had been working feverishly with over the past two months.
Yes I started Kimkins June 24th to be exact, maybe it would have been better if I gave you the time including minute and hour so you could investigate it further. You are saying I am lying based on saying I started in the middle of June, wow what a difference a week makes ladies, call me out on that one. Can we grasp at a few more straws? As far as the remarks about my research… My research involved something alot more costly than the $60 spent to pay for joining kimkins or the comments made by the kimkins haters. I reflect on my blog about the kimkins haters to give the reader a chance to read both positive and negative so that they can make a determination of what is right for them. You may also recall, I noted I read the article in Woman’s World, and that I visited with my doctors and showed them the article, (or didn’t you read that part?) Not just one doctor said they felt safe with me giving it a go. Mostly because I am a 10 yr recovered cancer patient, so I see a host of different doctors regularly. The research involved my being tested for full blood workups and putting the basic kimkins plan in the hands of my doctors to determine if my chemistry could handle it… I don’t feel it is necessary to quote my doctors one by one… they aren’t being paid by Kimkins to recommend it and if they choose to later write any mdeical brief based on my trial of this program that is their business.
Gee, and what a surprise that two kimkins admin would simply notice my blog after I supported them on one of your witchhunt remarks about them.
That is a hard one to figure out., huh?
For the record I am not even an affiliate of the kimkins website… I started to add myself to the ranks, but of course if I did, it would be misconstrued by each of you reading that I was a paid ‘lap dog’. But oh– once again you have each made that “assumption” regardless of there not being any basis for it.
Nothing so glamourous ladies, just a very content person with more than 35 lbs in weightloss who works 40hrs a week out of the home instead of in front of a computer making up drama.
So attack as you will… Neener- neener guess what?
I’m 35 lbs leaner!!





Christin Dispenses Diet Advice Online Despite No Training

14 08 2007

Last week Kimkins named Christin Sherburne as Director of Media and Public Relations in a press release. Those keeping up with all the controversy surrounding the Kimkins diet know that Christin was featured on the cover of Woman’s World in the June article, Better than Gastric Bypass!, after losing 100 pounds. Not only has Christin been the face of Kimkins since the article, she’s been hands-off for any criticism since many feel she is young and naive. With her elevation to Director of Media and Public Relations, it’s time we got to know Christin.Within the Kimkins site, Christin has been a rising star since her weight loss. While before she was just one more paid affiliate, making money convincing readers of her blog to join Kimkins because she lost weight, now she’s paid staff and must be held accountable for the advice she doles out both inside the Kimkins Forums and in any statements she makes outside the site.

Last week Christin reminised about her weight loss and wrote looking back was a

“trip down memory lane and took me back to why I did this program in the first place. Kimkins and this way of eating saved my life. I now know how to eat. I know how to eat in a healthy manner that I can sustain for the rest of my life. This Friday will be the 5 month anniversary of calling goal and successfully maintaining my Kimkins 100 pound loss… this is so amazing to me because I have never done this before… sure I’ve used other programs… up and down up and down… never EVER maintaining for any amount of time… so does this plan work? YOU BET!!!!”

Within that one paragraph were two links to the Kimkins site, complete with her affiliate links to be paid if anyone joined. Baffling to us is her declaration that in just five short months since reaching her goal, she knows how to eat healthfully and sustain her weight for life. We wondered, how did she manage to lose 100 pounds in five months? So, we headed on over to her public FitDay and took a look. We’ll leave it to readers to decide if how she ate while losing weight was healthful or not and just present the facts.

She started her diet in October, at 240 pounds and by mid-March weighed in at 140 pounds when she declared she was at goal. In the months between start and reaching goal she posted regularly in her FitDay journal, which is a disturbing read if you also consider she has a sticky thread in the Kimkins Forums titled Christin’s FAQ – HOW I DID IT (you can too!), which we’ll look at in a moment.In her FitDay we find that her average calorie intake in

  • October was just 600 calories;
  • November and December 554 calories
  • January 551 calories
  • February 399 calories
  • and in the first couple of weeks of March 629 calories

She considers this a healthy way to lose weight and in her thread on the Kimkins Forums she includes the following advice to those who see her as an inspiration to do it too:

…There is nothing “magical” or unique about what I was able to accomplish. It is not an easy journey though, and I wanted to give you a few things that have helped me a long the way and hopefully answer some of your questions as well….Under the guidelines given by Kimmer this program consists of lean proteins, no extras. So, during the time I was using KE I did just that. No EXTRAS no cheese, no extra fats, no supplements. I found that the best and quickest loss for me was attained when I stayed within the list…

She then offers advice on how much one should eat, and begins with what has to be the stupidest rationalizations to limit protein we’ve ever seen. Oh read it yourself:

Protein – There is no specific limit under Kimkins or KE that is “required.” My personal preference would be for you to keep your protein grams between 70-90g per day. I tried to keep mine under 80g, anything over 90g and I’d stall. USDA regulations state that our bodies only need 60g. Everything over that amount (60g) our bodies turn to glucose at a 40% rate, so it actually becomes more important after that point to be careful about the amount that we consume.

It is so blatantly obvious that Christin has absolutely no training in metabolism, physiology, nutrition or health, nor has she even taken the time to consider the garbage spoonfed to her by Kimmer, such as the misleading 60 gram protein requirement, is wrong or dangerous. Forget her complete lack of understanding the difference between amino acid types and their conversion rates to glucose. Heck, toss aside the fact that she has absolutely no understanding that in humans, the glucogenic amino acids are glycine, serine, valine, histidine, arginine, cysteine, proline, alanine, glutamate, glutamine, aspartate, asparagine and methionine; while threonine, isoleucine, phenylalanine, tyrosine and tryptophan can be either glucogenic or ketogenic. In Christin’s world protein is coverted to gluocse if you consume more than 60 grams.

She then continues on with:

Fat – The point of this program is QUICK and HEALTHY weight loss. One of the things that sets Kimkins apart from other Low Carb programs is the fact that we chose to use the leanest proteins that are available to us. We will still be consuming some fat with our proteins, but the goal is as little as possible. This can also be attained by choosing even lower fat options of allowed proteins. For example: boneless/skinless chicken breast vs whole chicken on the bone; egg whites or egg beaters vs whole eggs, lean fresh ground turkey breast vs pre-ground turkey, and of course fresh fish is always a fantastic option. These are just some options that are available to you in choosing lean proteins. If you want a number to shoot for though, my guideline for myself was under 20g of fat per day, never over 30g.

Again, she is dispensing nutrition advice without any idea of the long term implications of what she is encouraging others to do, in this case, she’s specifically recommending a dietary level of fat which would fail to meet minimum requirements for essential fatty acids. Considering she’s taken no time to educate herself about protein, why should anyone be surprised she has no clue meeting essential fatty acid requirements for humans. Let’s not forget her mentor, Kimmer, couldn’t and wouldn’t answer the question Jimmy Moore posed about meeting essential fatty acids on Kimkins, so why would Christin be any wiser?

Lastly, she tackles carbohydrate by saying:

Carbs – UNDER 20g total! This is not net carbs. We count all carbs! Please keep in mind that this is not a goal to be attained, this is a limit not to go over. Actually the less the better! Your 20g limit should be a brick wall. It can be very destructive thinking if you see that one day you have had say 8g and you think hey… I’ve got 12 more carbs to use up right? NO!!! If you’re not hungry, then please… stay away! You don’t have 12 more to use up… you’ve saved yourself 12cb! In actuality, it is even better if you can keep your carb count under 10g. If you are hungry, much better to reach for a little extra protein instead.

While we also feel restricting carbohydrate in the diet has merit, it’s difficult to wrap our heads around the idea that if someone has consumed 8 grams of carbohydrate during the day and is sitting down to dinner they’ll remember Christins words and pass on the cup of broccoli, with its 12 grams of carbohydrate and whopping 55 calories.

Christin’s belief that one should ’stay away’ from something as calorically benign as a cup of broccoli leaves us wondering how anyone can take her seriously.

From her FitDay records it’s clear she starved herself to lose the weight. Now in her My Daily Plate food journal it’s clear her diet is now filled with mostly packaged products and her calorie intake, which is up and down, is still below what should be normal for a woman her age, weight and height. But she is the face of Kimkins and now representing the company too as Director of Media and Public Relations. While Christin may indeed be a good person, and we have no reason to believe she’s not, one cannot distance the fact that she has been a paid affiliate all along, thus has had a vested interest in promoting Kimkins. Now is a paid staff member who is a corporate officer. When people read her words encouraging them and others to starve themself, they need to be aware of this conflict-of-interest.

Someone should also make her aware that as the representative face of Kimkins, and now a Director within the company, she is opening herself up to personal liability should anyone be harmed from her online advice. That’s because it’s highly unlikely that ‘Kimmer’ has protected her staff with the purchase of Directors & Officers insurance. Maybe Christin should insist on such an insurance policy, or better yet, maybe cease and desist with the dietary advice until she is adequately educated to do so?

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August 14, 2007 at 8:28 pm

SusieQ

Christin seems like a nice girl. But, you’re right, she’s giving out diet advice to starve like candy and has no idea the health consequences for those she’s giving it to. Maybe she’ll read this and reconsider just how rah-rah kimkins she wants to really be?

August 14, 2007 at 8:29 pm

Roger Doger

Between you and Slamboard I’m convinced this diet sucks, Kimmer is a fraud and this thing called Kimkins needs to be shut down.

August 14, 2007 at 8:31 pm

LCer

Yanno, this is somethign I worried about for Christin. She is young and she is very naive. She’s also completely blind about Heidi and thinks that Kimkins “saved her life” when she has no idea yet if she’s done damage to her body and health for the long term. I pray she hasn’t. But the information out there about very low-calorie diets is scary to think about, especially for the future…and that Christin is a mother of two small children. What is she goign to do if she really did do something to her body for the long-term?

August 14, 2007 at 8:40 pm

Maddie

What makes Christin think she knows what she’s talking about when it comes to telling others how to eat? Good God she starved herself thin and now she’s going to tell others to do it too? I looked at her Fitday and really hope she’s not feeding her children like that too!

August 14, 2007 at 8:41 pm

LuvLowCarb

Christin needs to wake up and realize she’s being used by Kimmer.

August 14, 2007 at 8:47 pm

Laura

I feel really bad for Christin. Not because you guys wrote about her, but because she is being used by Kimmer and either doesn’t realize it, or doesn’t care because the money is good for her family. It’s sad to think she may get in trouble in all this. She really should do what Jimmy Moore did and actually look at what people are saying before she just jumps in more with both feet and doesn’t consider the harm she can do with her advice.

August 14, 2007 at 8:48 pm

MollyB

You shouldn’t pick on Christin. She is naive and it shows in her writing and her advice.

August 14, 2007 at 8:50 pm

Josh

You guys keep amazing me with your stuff. Boy Christin should be worried about her future health more than a paycheck! I had no idea she ate that little to lose the weight. Her FD is scary!

August 14, 2007 at 8:51 pm

MeltingMe

Just found your post at LCF. Another good one, but I’m sure you’ll get slammed for criticizing Christin (I think it is deserved BTW, she is giving really bad diet recommendations).

August 14, 2007 at 9:01 pm

Missy

I think it’s great that Christin lost 100lbs, but she shouldn’t be giving out advice on what to eat if she’s not trained properly. By her own words and fitday she wasn’t eating much and was probably, as you said, starving to lose the weight.

If you look at what she is saying, the most one could eat in her guideline is 710 calories…..80 calories carb (20g), 270 calories fat (30g) and 360 calories protein (90g). But even that’s more than one would eat since the 20g carb is max and includes fiber which has no calories. If you did her lowend advice and ate 10g carb (40 cals), 70g protein (280 cals) and 20g fat (180 cals), that’s just 500 calories a day. How can she sleep at night telling people to eat like that?

August 14, 2007 at 9:02 pm

OMG

To tell people to eat just 500-700 calories a day is criminal.

August 14, 2007 at 9:04 pm

LadyRed

This just makes me so sad. Poor Christin. God only knows what she’s done to her metabolism and health for the future.

August 14, 2007 at 9:06 pm

Joe

If Chrissy doesn’t start eating soon, she’s going to have a lot of health probelsm later.

August 14, 2007 at 9:10 pm

Oh My!

Ya know, I used to think Christin was just pretty happy about losing the weight. I didn’t realize she was making money. Now she’s on salary too? No wonder she’s out there posting and blogging all the time!

August 14, 2007 at 9:12 pm

Gracie

Well, you just gave the hens at Kimkins another thread to start and bitch on! They have like five different bitchfests going on about this and other blogs that are telling about what is going on inside! LOL

August 14, 2007 at 9:20 pm

GollyGee

So, who’s next on the hit list? Deni?

August 14, 2007 at 9:22 pm

LC4EVER

It sounds like Christin is pretty proud of her weight loss, which is totally understandable. But to go out and promote how she did it as healthy is totally INSANE!

I really hope people stop and think before they pay over $60 to starve themselves!

August 14, 2007 at 9:23 pm

Shari

It is really frightening to think how easy it is to be sucked in by the idea of losing weight fast, only to find out later when you’re older that you’re messed up your body and health.

I wonder if Christin is going to look back in ten or twenty years and realize that the health probelms she has are from this diet?

August 14, 2007 at 9:27 pm

No Escape

It’s an ego-trip for Christin. She’s been fat since she was a little girl and now is thin. I am really happy for her, but she’s not able to see what she’s doing is harmful to others. It’s like she’s found religion and now has to tell the world.

August 14, 2007 at 9:29 pm

LaurieB

I think Christine should be held accountable for telling people to eat only, at most, 700 calories a day. That’s not healthy and if she’s out there telling people to do that, she should be held responsible for giving out advice without training.

August 14, 2007 at 9:39 pm

Joy

Dr. Nick Yphantides, M.D. wrote “My Big Fat Greek Diet”. He lost 220 lbs in a very short time by drinking low carb/calorie shakes (around 600 calories a day). He’s a doctor, did his research a year before embarking in this way of weight loss. He wanted to loose the weight in a short time and not spend 2-3 years doing it. He’s kept the weight off since then, and wrote a pretty good book about it. (If you don’t mind reading about all the great baseball fields he visited!). As long as you have your doctor’s consent and stay current with physicals, I don’t see the reason for the outrage over this Kimkins diet.

August 14, 2007 at 9:40 pm

Gerri

kimmer is just worried about one thing….making sure people lose weight fast. It doesn’t matter if they get sick, or their hair falls out, or their thyroid gets burnt out….it’s all about fast weight loss. It’s sick and it’s enticing.

Now Christin is in so deep she too is on the go as low as you can bandwagon….she has no clue about how harmful her advice is to those reading her posts. I think she shuld be held to teh same standard as anyone else….she needs to be certified to give diet advice….period.

August 14, 2007 at 9:41 pm

Okie Dokie

The hens bitching comment is LOL!

It’s true though. Anyone who has access to the site can get a hoot of a laugh at how they’re all moaning and groaning about sites like this one!

TOO BAD!

If they do the right thing thse sites will go away. Oh, but wait….that would mean kimkins is outta business! Oh yea…..let’s keep it up until that happens!

August 14, 2007 at 10:02 pm

Foodie

Hey, if they all want to starve themselves, let them! More greasy burgers for us!!!! Whooooooie!

August 14, 2007 at 10:11 pm

Pathetic

You guys need to get a life!

Leave Christin alone.

Leave Kimmer alone.

Leave us alone!

August 14, 2007 at 10:14 pm

Danielle

I feel sorry for Christin.

August 14, 2007 at 10:17 pm

DrFatkinsSucks

Good heavens! Kimkins is a lean low-carb plan, like any other low-carb plan and healthy….Christin had great blood work numbers and is healthy! So what if she ate low calories….isn’t the point of dieting to reduce calories to lose weight? What part of this do you not get?

August 14, 2007 at 10:19 pm

KimkinsFans

Get over it already!

August 14, 2007 at 10:22 pm

Fran

hmmmm

interesting

christin does look good now that she lost the weight

but is she healthy?

who knows?

WHO CARES!

August 14, 2007 at 10:46 pm

Madison

Christin should talk to a lawyer to find out how much liability she might have in all this….and if posts like this one are actionable!

August 14, 2007 at 10:48 pm

Learjet

I think Kimkins is dangerous and the stuff you are posting is valuable to educate people so they’re not hoodwinked into wasting $60 to join.

August 14, 2007 at 10:56 pm

Kimkins Dangers

Please note the well thought out, intelligent, articulate and informational responses from those defending Kimkins. (/sarcasm)

I keep saying this.. but the more I see the more concerned I am over the mob mentality of the Kimkinistas. (At least the one or two that continually post the comments bereft of any coherent thought or rebuttal.)

Kimkinsfan, DrFatkinsSucks (who obviously doesn’t suck that bad or Kimmer wouldn’t have stolen his plan), et al, please provide factual evidence to support your claims that Kimkins is healthy and safe, not anecdotal.

If you’re not willing to do that, then you have no power here! Begone! (Wizard of Oz quote.. this issue is so reminiscent of that film, don’t you think? But remember, when Oz admitted his mistakes and the fraud he perpetuated and came out publicly and apologized, he was forgiven.)

August 14, 2007 at 11:11 pm

Eyes Wide Open

I’m amazed at how some people really delude themselves and will do anything to lose weight. If and when Christin maintains her weight for atleast FIVE YEARS, then I might be impressed. The stats are so against her being able to that I’m not at all impressed with five months of maintaining. It’s silly to consider that as proof you know how to eat now or that you’re going to be able to keep it up for life!

Christin, if you’re reading this, I’d strongly suggest you take care of yourself and get as far away from Kimkins as possible. When the poopy-hits-the-fan you don’t want to get splattered!

August 14, 2007 at 11:12 pm

concerned

Christin is a 28 year-old adult who must, after all this time, be aware of the health concerns others have written about the diet she is promoting.

She has made a decision, for whatever reason, to apparently disregard these concerns. While the diet might have worked for her personal short-term weight loss, I fail to understand how she could be so blinded as to believe that this is the “answer” for healthy weightloss for everyone else.

Despite all the information that has came out about Kimkins business practices (marketing to anorexics and teens, among other things), despite all the health issues that Kimkins members have disclosed… not only has Christin maintained her affiliation and support of this controversial diet, but she now is a full-fledged member of the decision-making team at Kimkins.

While I also feel sorry for her to undergo such a public and negative spotlight, it is NOT the naysayers who have caused this situation. It is Heidi Diaz who has driven the spotlight towards Christin. And it is Christin herself for apparently being blinded by the light.

August 14, 2007 at 11:36 pm

Marissa

You can’t really think you’re going to convince 37,000 members of Kimkins they’re eating an unhealthy diet when they’re losing weight, can you?

When they’re in the throughs of the starvation euphoria nothing is going to convince them to eat more. They’re over riding all systems that are telling them to eat, telling them they’re starving.

Sad but true. 😦

August 15, 2007 at 12:15 am

Sara

I guess she wasn’t too happy that you figured those averages out. “No public fitday for that user”. Maybe she’s not as naive as some people think.

August 15, 2007 at 12:55 am

Action Time

If you are interested in signing a petition to have the FTC investigate
Kimkins, please go here:

http://www.petitiononline.com/kimkins/petition.html

Someone passed me this information and I thought some of you would
like to know..If this is NEW stuff, then forgive me.

August 15, 2007 at 1:05 am

#1 Fan of Kimmerexia

You couldn’t convince me that there is really 37,000 members at Kimkins! LOL

August 15, 2007 at 1:48 am

kimkins4life

Oh my so many jealous people….Christin you look hot so keep up the good work! I believe 100% in Kimmer and her plan…….people quit complaining and join us. Losing this fast made me a believer, and it will you too!

August 15, 2007 at 1:58 am

Joy

No comments about Dr. Nick Yphantides, M.D. who wrote “My Big Fat Greek Diet”? He lost weight drinking low carb shakes, and very fast! What are your thoughts about him and his plan? Do you think it’s similiar to Kimkins? Is his way safe?

August 15, 2007 at 2:09 am

Pam

In response to the poster who mentioned Yphantides: his liquid shake program provided 100g protein AND 100g carbohydrate per day (800 cals). This is quite different than the guidelines published for Kimkins. This nutritional information is available at the website of the manufacturers of the shake product/program he used.

Also, if you read the book, he himself is a medical doctor who had another medical doctor supervise his weight-loss. This is (so far) not true for KK.

Furthermore, the liquid protein programs (though I do not advocate them) have in place, along with regular medical monitoring, refeeding and maintenance training and programs. In Yphantides’ book, it’s unclear whether he followed the specified program when transitioning to food—regardless, he HAD a plan for maintenance, which further distinguishes his example from the fraud that is Kimkins.

August 15, 2007 at 2:40 am

Kimmerexia

Uh oh!!!

Christin’s Fitday links have suddenly gone *POOF*.

August 15, 2007 at 7:06 am

Kimkins Dangers

37,000 members?!? Where?!?

I hope we can convince even 1 person to stop doing that ridiculous, dangerous diet or prevent 1 person from signing up and killing themselves by starvation.

As for the other 36,999, the information is clearly presented in many ways, shapes and forms. If they chose not to avail themselves of it, then I hope they’re just really lucky people and aren’t harmed by this craziness.

August 15, 2007 at 9:19 am

Sherrie

I agree with LaurieB

Its one thing to be young and niave, to think your untouchable and be reckless with how you treat your body BUT its another thing to go dishing out advice like that to others. If she really doesn’t know beyond a shadow of a doubt whether this advice is safe or not then she shouldn’t be dishing it out period.

August 15, 2007 at 1:17 pm

Sue

Christin posted her cholesterol numbers:
Cholesterol – Ideal = <175 Mine = 163
Triglycerides – Ideal = <100 Mine = 69
LDL (bad cholesterol)- Ideal = <100 Mine = 75
Cholesterol/HDL ratio – Ideal = 1.0-5.0 Mine = 2.2
HDL (good cholesterol) – Ideal = 50< Mine = 74!

Here is a new blog by Kimmer regarding my recent physical and some exciting information!

Kimkins: Christin Has Great Cholesterol Numbers!

Apparently my great results from my physical have been confirmed with Doctor Oz, co-author of “You On A Diet.” Thanks Kimmer for sharing this encouragement!

August 15, 2007 at 1:33 pm

Joy

Thanks Pam for your response concerning Dr. Nick Yphantides, M.D. who wrote “My Big Fat Greek Diet”. I think his way of weight loss proves low calorie/low carb/low fat is a safe way to loose, with your doctors consent and monitoring. I’ve lost weight the ’slow, right’ way, and gained it all back (70 lbs) plus 30 more. In the end, it’s maintenance that needs to be addressed, whether you loose fast or slow. It’s fine to give your opinions, but in the end, we are all free to choose. (Yea for America!!!!) I do think we should ALWAYS consult our doctors to make sure whatever we’re doing is safe.

August 15, 2007 at 1:42 pm

Joy

P.S. As many people have stated, advice shouldn’t be given (positive or negative against Kimkins) unless you know without any doubt what you’re saying is 100% accurate. From everything I’ve read about Kimkins, most people are commenting on how they ‘feel’ about the diet, the positive and negative. That leads me to conclude that NO one knows. As with the Atkins diet, time will tell.

August 15, 2007 at 1:54 pm

Christin Dispenses Diet Advice Online Without Qualifications » Kimkins Controversy

[…] Kimkins Exposed takes a close look at Kimkins’ new public relations staffer, covergirl Christi…: From her FitDay records it’s clear she starved herself to lose the weight. Now in her My Daily Plate food journal it’s clear her diet is now filled with mostly packaged products and her calorie intake, which is up and down, is still below what should be normal for a woman her age, weight and height. But she is the face of Kimkins and now representing the company too as Director of Media and Public Relations. While Christin may indeed be a good person, and we have no reason to believe she’s not, one cannot distance the fact that she has been a paid affiliate all along, thus has had a vested interest in promoting Kimkins. Now is a paid staff member who is a corporate officer. When people read her words encouraging them and others to starve themself, they need to be aware of this conflict-of-interest. […]

August 15, 2007 at 2:04 pm

concerned

Regarding Dr. Nick Yphantides, M.D. who wrote “My Big Fat Greek Diet”… he started at *467 lbs*, and had just survived CANCER.

For him, losing weight by any means (including living a whole year on only a liquid protein diet and diet soda) may have been lifesaving in his circumstance. I don’t think that ultralowcalorie diets are necessarily always EVil, particularly for people that are morbidly obese and whose health is greatly compromised…

BUT they should NOT be marketed to people who have 10 lb, 15 lb, 30 lbs to lose!!! And to teens and anorexics… They simply have way too many risks for MOST PEOPLE!

Also, I haven’t read his book, but from the comments on Amazon, it seemed most people were more inspired by Dr. Nick’s story and motivation than the actual “way” he lost his weight. It said that this is NOT a diet book… he provides principals for weight loss for others, not a rock bottom VLCD diet plan.

I guess that means he’s probably also not selling CAMP KIMKINS and SNATTY t-shirts to teens.

August 15, 2007 at 6:01 pm

kimfan

you are all pathetic…get a life

August 15, 2007 at 6:37 pm

Joy

Thanks Concerned for your input about Dr. Nick Yphantides, M.D. You made some very good points. It’s not a diet that makes teens anorexic. Environment, self-worth, home life, and media influences more unhealthy behavior than a diet. I wish there were as much outrage about family values as there were about a diet. Being concerned is good, having an opinion is good as well, however, your info is not based on medical knowledge. Weight loss with a doctor’s approval is best in all situations. That way, low calorie or low fat or supplement/diet product isn’t abused.

August 15, 2007 at 6:47 pm

lowcarber

I think it is interesting that many of the people who feel Kimkins is a dangerous diet, are mostly still obese after doing their Fatkins, or whatever plan they are on.

As Dr, Phil often says, “how’s that working for you”?

August 15, 2007 at 7:28 pm

concerned

To Joy- what I wrote was that Kimkins has marketed to anorexics, which she did via yahoo answers (a question from an anorexic was answered by Kimmer K. promoting kimkins with a link to her website).

And actually, while diets may not be the *only* factor that causes anorexia, according to ANDRED, they are the most common trigger for those who are susceptible: “Perhaps the most common trigger of disordered eating is dieting. It is a bit simplistic, but nonetheless true, to say that if there were no dieting, there would be no anorexia nervosa. Neither would there be the bulimia that people create when they diet, make themselves chronically hungry, overeat in response to hunger pangs and cravings, and then, panicky about weight gain, vomit or otherwise purge to get rid of the calories.”

So, for many people (and not just teens) an ultra-low calorie diet (not just kimkins) could _in fact_ be the trigger for an eating disorder. I have personally experienced this phenomenon from a low calorie liquid protein fast that I did to lose about 20 lbs, and it took years to recover from.

I disagree with your assessment that my info is not based on medical knowledge. But I appreciate your polite response, nonetheless. Best wishes for continued health.

August 15, 2007 at 7:39 pm

concerned

Whoops. I made a mistake; Kimmer K. actually linked them to Jimmy MOORE’s website, that was back when he was still her biggest fan.

August 15, 2007 at 10:10 pm

Joy

Thanks Concerned………very good response. And, you sound like a very nice person. When people are respectful and caring, or concerned in your case, others will listen. I do see your concern about this diet. It should not be a way of eating forever. It should only be for short term, and like you mentioned, for the very overweight people, low calorie diets can work. (Of course only with doctor’s approval!)

As for girls/female, even males now (all ages), we’ve got to get the message across that their weight and looks do not determine their significance in this world. BIG job there!

August 16, 2007 at 12:12 am

Sue

Lowcarber how do you know that people who are saying kimkins is dangerous are mostly obese after doing their fatkins or whatever plan they are on??? That really is a stupid comment. Also, any comments that say people are jealous because of kimkins success are just ridiculous.
Kimkins – is a very low calorie diet and is unhealthy and dangerous. If you really want to lose weight fast – do it if you must – but short-term only. But be prepared for some issues afterwards.
BTW there are plenty of people losing weight and eating their fill of good wholesome fat. The fat that you cells just love!! That’s right fat is not such a fiend. That’s what low carb is all about – embracing the fat.

August 16, 2007 at 4:58 pm

Mel

Christin needs to be doing something else besides teaching others how to starve….

August 16, 2007 at 6:37 pm

lowcarber

Well, Sue, to begin with…you don’t know all the facts. Going Kimkins when one has morbid obesity certainly is more beneficial than continuing the obesity.

Who says people following Kimkins don’t eat healthy fat?? Some may not, but most do. Some folks NEED to lower their fat intake to lose the weight, our bodies are all different.

So, I guess my comment is no more stupid than some of the comments made regarding the Kimkins plans. I don’t know that ALL of the people complaining are fat, but alot of them are.

Are most people jealous of those of us who have lost over 100 pounds in a short time?? I don’t know, but I do know that I feel sorry for the people who continue to eat high fat and think they are going to lose the weight. Those folks are being led down the wrong path, just as others think Kimkins followers are.

If Atkins works for you, that is fine, but for people like me Atkins did not work….I needed to go a step further to lose the weight. Now that I have, Atkins is back in my WOE, original plan minus SOME of the fats.

August 17, 2007 at 1:07 am

Sue

lowcarber, that’s a better response – then all the name calling. Some doing Atkins can initial go too high on the calories and will have to cut back on fat or protein. I don’t think it is necessary to go as low as 500 calories to get weight loss moving again.
Most doing kimkins wouldn’t know what a low carb diet is if it hit them in the face. They need to educate themselves by reading and not take everything that is written at the kimkins website as gospel.
If kimkins is so fantastic its “creator” woudn’t be lurking in the shadows. She would be proudly talking about her plan in the open. I hope she’s maintained her weight as she says for 5 years but if she hasn’t then it tells me that kimkins really doesn’t work and that kimmer hasn’t learned anything about how to maintain weight and most importantly how to maintain good health.

August 17, 2007 at 9:26 pm

Stop the Insanity!

SHAME ON YOU CHRISTIN!





Kimkins Diet Infects Low Carb Friends

8 08 2007

The Kimkins diet isn’t just potentially effecting the health of those who joined the Kimkins website and remain within the password protected confines. It’s now infecting online low carb support forums once considered bastions against bad advice and unhealthy attitudes about low carbohydrate dieting.

In what appears to be an unchallengable acceptance of the Kimkins diet, Low Carb Friends continues to lend legitimacy to the idea that Kimkins is just another low carb diet by hosting a Kimkins section within the Weight Loss Plans area. Not only does the forum provide sticky threads to their members to learn how to do Kimkins, the moderators swiftly remove any dissenting opinions about the plans from threads outside the one and only allowed for disagreeable opinions.

Not only does this set the tone for members to believe Kimkins is safe, it is reinforced by the message members find when they visit the homepage and are expressly told that Low Carb Friends is the “best and friendliest source for low carbohydrate support, atkins low carb diet resources and motivation for lowcarb diets!”

One can only wonder how the dangerous practices inherent in the Kimkins plans escapes the administrators and moderators there, who appear scared to take a stand against the diet and instead allow discussion within politically correct parameters.

Each and every post that offers warning to those considering Kimkins, or currently trying to follow the plans, is met with obliteration and a reminder to keep such opinions on the Why the Fascination with Kimmer thread, now almost at 7000 posts, far too time consuming for anyone just curious to see what the controversy involves to be willing to commit to reading through to the end. Unless of course they have a week or more to dedicate to reading the thread.

Setting aside the issue of what really is nothing more than censorship of dissenting opinions outside one thread, there also exists threads which highlight the lengths to which members of Low Carb Friends will go to cheerlead each other in their self-starvation attempts.

Threads thrive perpetuating the idea that it’s fine for an individual to do what works for them, even if it means starvation with disordered eating and dubious methods to make up things as you go as a means to make Kimkins plans ‘healthy and sane’.

Sane and healthy?

Kimkins isn’t healthy? Kimkins isn’t sane?

In a thread titled Doing Kimkins–keeping it healthy and sane, members share ideas on how to modify the Kimkins diet to avoid deteriorating health and weight loss stalls that are inevitable with any starvation diet. Yet few, if any, have been able to step back and openly question if the diet is sound as written, exactly why is there a need for a thread with ideas to make it healthy or sane?

Then there is the Daily meal ideals thread, where members discuss how they eat while trying to diet on Kimkins. One member offered a painful look at how she is eating at the start of the thread.

Here are my eating stuff menus

K/E…I do it like a soldier….very strict and I also HATE how I feel while on it.

All white meat – Fish, Chicken, shrimp, ground turkey
Maybe 2 eggs per week
Mustard on Chicken
Thats it.

Kimkins…feel better while on it, more veggies
Same as above, all white meat
Green beans
Salad greens
Mustard on chicken
Light Italian sparingly on salad

I’ll all or nothing….this week it’s been nothing

So, are you tough enough too?

Maybe a peek at the Refeeds and Free Meals thread might make you think twice about how sane the Kimkins diet is?

How truly bad is a diet when those following it find it necessary to discuss refeeding? One member shared how she manages to refeed (actually eat) while doing Kimkins:

My example:

Monday: All day Kimkins
Tuesday: All day Kimkins
Wednesday: All day Kimkins
Thursday: Free Meal for Dinner….I start at 6:00pm and end at 7:00pm, I have pizza, salad, some cookies and an ice cream cone.
Friday: repeat above schedule


Refeed: Refeeds are exactly that, refeeding the body. You can do a refeed for 5 hours, a day, a week, or a month. They are the next level up from a free meal. You normally do a “structured refeed” after you come off of a diet to restore muscle glycogen. When we diet we cause “tissue breakdown”, the refeed also helps with this. The refeed is basically a long diet break.

I hope this helps…

Wow, now how is that for a low carb diet plan? Pizza, cookies, ice cream?

Oh, but then another helpful poster included,

“Now I know what to call what I do: definitely “refeeds”. I do a half day refeed when I’m at my goal weight of 120 (like today: I hit that, so had an afternoon/evening filled with fruit, pizza, wine and ice cream). Tomorrow it’s back to Kimkins until I’m down to 120 again (usually takes 2 days).

So cool that others are doing some version of this too!!!”

Wow, more pizza, ice cream and this time wine too!

But wait, there’s more! Another offered those reading the thread this handy piece of advice:

“Refeeds are best used when interspersed throughout long periods is calorie and/or carbohydrate restriction. As the name implies, you’re acutely refeeding nutrients (calories and/or carbohydrates) into your system after it’s been deprived of those nutrients for a predetermined period of time (5 days, 7 days, 2 months, etc.).

It’s important to distinguish between a “refeed” and just trying to rationalize going off your nutritional plan (e.g. cheating). Refeeds are strategically placed and when used right are integral parts of your nutritional plan. Cheating on your diet is more often than not an unplanned event brought on by poor planning or exposure to a situation in which your will power is compromised and you succumb to the primal urge to stuff your face!”

How Low Carb Friends can justify maintaining threads such as these is unknown, especially when they claim their forum is the “best and friendliest source for low carbohydrate support, atkins low carb diet resources and motivation for lowcarb diets!”

Maybe they’re just scared to say the diet is insane and unhealthy afterall?

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August 8, 2007 at 6:45 pm

Josh

Other online forums have moderators who quickly step in and provide some sane reality checks. The one I really like is Active Low-Carber Forums…the moderators aren’t afraid to say “bad idea” or “Kimmer is promoting a dangerous diet” when they see something posted!

http://forum.lowcarber.org/

August 8, 2007 at 6:48 pm

lovinlocarb

FINALLY.

I’ve been waiting for someone outside the site to say all of this as complaints from their own members have fallen on deaf ears.

Many within the LCF community are very disappointed at the way the administration has embraced Kimkins in recent months…I seriously hope they reconsider how much they are enabling this travesty to continue to breed. If people continue to get ill and suffer medical repercussions from things like the “Kimkins boot camp” thread there…the leadership should be held responsible for allowing it to go on.

August 8, 2007 at 7:01 pm

Molly

OMG!

I just checked one of those threads and found this is how someone is trying to eat everyday:

I love it. I found also that I lose better with walking and I stick to it! I have for over 20 years. I am a walkaholic. Also I do 2 refeeds a week either on Wed. Or Sat. Or Sun. depending on my weekend. I do fruit instead of protein but the results are faster. After one fruit day I was down.

Here’s my schedule:
Mon: 3 apples
Tues: 3 pounds grapes
Wed: refeed all day or 4 hours or one meal
Thurs: 3 apples
Fri: 3 apples
Sat: refeed
Sun: 3 apples

How can this type of garbage advice be allowed to go unchallenged? Is this the politically correct type stuff you mentioned? THIS IS INSANE!

August 8, 2007 at 7:05 pm

Extremely concerned

Frankly, I was shocked to learn that any low carb website would even
publish the particulars of this dangerous diet. Hopefully, this will be
rectified in the near future.

August 8, 2007 at 7:06 pm

Toni

What’s totally insane over there is that Kimkins is given a section unto itself while legitimate plans are shunned to the “other plans” area…like Protein Power, Carbohydrate Addict’s, and Eat Fat, Get Thin! Those real plans with doctors behind them get shuttled away in the “other” area while the Kimkins FRAUD gets placement in the 4th position in the Weight Loss Plans area?

LCF needs to wake up and smell the coffee….they’re endorsing Kimkins quite explicitly by how they’re allowing it to be placed as, as you said, a legitimate diet that is low-carb when it’s really just starvation!

August 8, 2007 at 7:08 pm

lovinlocarb

Over at http://www.3fatchicks.com, the leadership there isn’t afraid to take a stance against Kimkins.

They recently closed a Kimkins thread, stating this as their reason for doing so:

“We’ve been doing this for 10 years, working all day 7 days a week and have never had a vacation. We don’t charge our members, everything is free.

We also don’t promote unhealthy diets, anorexia, or encourage everyone to abandon all common sense in lieu of quick weight loss that will harm your health and probably won’t even stay off.

Since we don’t promote unhealthy diets, we’re closing this thread.”

August 8, 2007 at 7:14 pm

MeltingMe

With Low-Carb Friends like that, who needs enemies?

August 8, 2007 at 7:16 pm

Forget Me Nots

Well, I’ve been on LCF for quite some time now and agree they really do need to step up and warn against the Kimkins diet. It might not be the easy thing to do, but it’s the right thing to do if they are really interested in being seen as advocating low-carb in a healthy way!

August 8, 2007 at 7:17 pm

FlufferNutter

I think low carb friends is wrong to keep Kimkins in a stand alone position in their weight loss plans area. It’s not a real low carb diet, it’s really just promoting starvation and that’s not a good thing for anyone or low-carb in general.

August 8, 2007 at 7:18 pm

Whoa Nelly

Two other support places online actively discourage anyone from doing Kimkins….3 Fat Chicks and Active Low Carber!

August 8, 2007 at 7:21 pm

Melissa Morgan

Watch how fast LCF removes any posts on the fascination thread pointing here! I guarantee they’ll remove them!

August 8, 2007 at 7:24 pm

Tinkerbell

Why low-carb-friends still insists on keeping Kimkins on their forum is beyond me. It’s a dangerous diet and you’re right, there is absolutely no way they let anyone express any negative opinions on threads outside the fascination with kimmer thread.

Someone is going to get hurt following Kimkins one of these days. It’s bound to happen as more people go to extremes and try these insane apple days or “refeeding” ideas. All I can do is hope that low-carb-friends follows the lead of other sites that have said NO to Kimkins!

Kimkins is not just another low-carb diet. It’s a diet that makes you starve yourself.

August 8, 2007 at 7:25 pm

Grand Rounds

This is truly scary! An online support board promoting the idea that Kimkins is mainstream? INSANE!

August 8, 2007 at 7:31 pm

Audrey

I just read about this on LCF and agree with the person above….the moderators are going to pull any posts mentioning this one in an effort to keep on keeping on with their endorsement of KK.

August 8, 2007 at 7:33 pm

LOL

Holy cats batman! Low Carb Friends need a good swat on the forehead, followed by a “SNAP OUT OF IT” yell to make them realize how bad it is for them that they promote kimkins over other diets that are LEGITIMATE in the low-carb world.

August 8, 2007 at 7:34 pm

KimmerSucks

Well, low-carb friends did spawn Kimkins, so what can you expect?

August 8, 2007 at 7:35 pm

Freddie

I really hate to point it out, but LCF just appeases anyone saying they’re doing low-carb. It doesnt’ matter if they do or not, as long as they have them as an audience to sell them products from netrition.com. Ever notice when you type something into a post that they have a product for it’s automatically linked? LCF is a front for a retail operation, nothing more, nothing less.

August 8, 2007 at 7:38 pm

Zany Zebra

I left that forum a long time ago because they are heavy handed with the moderation and don’t let anyone post what they consider dissenting opinions, even if they’re clearly good advice. I prefer ALC myself these days….intelligent people who speak their mind and don’t mind disagreement. Oh, and they warn against kimkins!

August 8, 2007 at 7:44 pm

Jean

LCF needs to put aside the potential members and their dollars, and look at the health and welfare of people. They are enabeling a very bad ‘diet’ to be out there. If they truly were wanting to help people, they would remove any and all threads that endorse and support this way! Even on the pro ana {anorexic} sites, they eat more than Kimkins members do!

August 8, 2007 at 7:46 pm

Zany Zebra

Gotta love the “refeed” rules they like to offer!

Appropriate Foods For a Refeed

During your refeed, you should aim for around 1G of protein per Pound of body weight, keeping your sources of fat to a minimum, so you are only taking the fats that are in your proteins and carbs. CARBS! Yes, lots and lots and lots of carbs. Not necessarily brown rice, sweet potatoes and oats here either:

Bagels
Pasta
Rice
Bread
Cereal
FF/SF Ice Cream
Pancakes
Waffles
Crackers
************************************************

It’s amazing what people will do to justify eating crap!

August 8, 2007 at 7:55 pm

GettingBored

If you’re so sure you’re right about Kimmer, why don’t one of you turn off the computer and go get a picture? You appear to have quite a bit of personal information, surely enough to find her. So what’s stopping you?

August 8, 2007 at 7:56 pm

Minnie Mouse

People can be too impatient and think they’re not going to lose weight if it’s not happening FAST, FAST, FAST.

They haven’t even bothered to look at the findings from researchers that clearly concluded that very low calorie diets don’t have any advantage for weight loss, and only carry a higher risk for those doing them and that those who it is appropriate for need to be medically supervised.

Kimmer ignores the fact that studies show that in the first four to six weeks a dieter on a vlcd will lose an average of 3.5 pounds a week, after that just 1 to 2 pounds a week…..like any other weight loss diet! Problem is with Kimmer she has no where to go with advice but lower calories, less fat and laxatives or fasting when weight loss slows down as it will.

She is truly setting the stage for malnutrition and real problems for those taking her up on the idea that weight loss has to be fast to be acceptable!

August 8, 2007 at 8:03 pm

BTA

I got an INFRACTION NOTICE for stating to someone in a Kimmer thread that I felt responsible to let them know their chosen WOE had risks. Yup, RISKS! No name calling, no trashing, just concern.

August 8, 2007 at 8:38 pm

Rnadi

LCF gave me way too many “infractions” in the past when I’d post something along the lines that Kimkins isn’t really just low carb, it’s low everything and really has no place in the community of low-carb diet options. This was over a year ago, when that Kimmer woman was still posting there. It was crazy. Anything you might say that was critical of her or her insane diet was removed.

August 8, 2007 at 8:39 pm

Kan

Yeah LCF moderators bite. The infraction notices are way, way, way out of control.

August 8, 2007 at 8:39 pm

Jason

Man, I wouldn’t support low-carb friends now if you paid me! That they keep Kimkins upfront and leave PP, CAD and other established healthy low-carb diets in the “other” folder….no way I’ll support them if they support that woman over credible doctors with proven plans!

August 8, 2007 at 8:43 pm

Kimkins Sucks!

Unbelievable and completely unacceptable that LCF still promotes that insane woman and her ill-conceived notions on weight loss. They should be ashamed of themselves for propping up a starvation diet and allowing the cheerleaders to keep cheering “starve yourself more, starve yourself more!”

August 8, 2007 at 8:46 pm

Mossy Rocks

People managed to have an effect on Jimmy Moore. Even he’s backed away from kimkins and removed all his links to it and everything good he had to say because he really looked at the craziness of it all.

How the moderators on the site can let it stand and go unchallenged is dangerous!

August 8, 2007 at 8:48 pm

atkinsbaby

what’s so sad is that kimkins tries so hard to make themselves sound like they’re a low carb diet when all they promote is not eating and eating disorders. look how many of them wind up binging. what’s next, purging too?

August 8, 2007 at 8:48 pm

LCF SUCKS

LCF SUCKS!

Check out active low carber to read really good advice!

August 8, 2007 at 8:54 pm

Kevin

Thank you for doing this blog. People need to know just how dangerous kimkins and kimmer are!

August 8, 2007 at 9:00 pm

Greta

If I want to eat 500-calories a day, how exactly is it any of your business?

August 8, 2007 at 9:02 pm

Snuggle Bug

I post over at ALC and they are pretty consistent with warning people that the diet isn’t based on anything remotely resembling low-carb. Oh yeah, Kimmer says eat up to 20 grams of carbs, but then restricts protein to 90 grams and fat to 30 grams, so it really isn’t ever going to be more than 750 or so calories. Bad idea!

August 8, 2007 at 9:02 pm

Kimmerexia

LCF should NOT delete the Kimkins section.

They should lock it down permanently to any further traffic and label it as “WHAT NOT TO DO!”

August 8, 2007 at 9:04 pm

Atkins4me

I agree with kimmerexia. LCF needs to lock down the section and have a warning on it that it’s a dangerous diet to try to follow and then direct their members to saner plans!

August 8, 2007 at 9:05 pm

Fatkins

Oh PUH-leez. Kimkins gets the weight off. That’s better than staying fat and definitely better than clogging your arteries with greasy burgers and bacon all day as you swallow your pride and wallow in your misery staying fat and wondering what you’re doing to stay fat!

August 8, 2007 at 9:09 pm

Lucy M

Maybe Jimmy Moore was right when he criticized LCF earlier this year?

August 8, 2007 at 9:09 pm

Red Roses

Hey, here’s an idea for LCF……GET A SPINE!

August 8, 2007 at 9:20 pm

Kimkins Dangers

Just wanted to point out that the comment here from “Fatkins” is another round of the insanity that is so prevalent in the Kimkins supporters train of thought. Another mention of greasy burgers.. telling everyone who isn’t on Kimkins that they are fat and miserable.

I can honestly say that I would never join a program with members that react in such an abrasive and insulting manner – shame on “Fatkins” and shame on Kimmer for breeding such a juvenile follower.

The facts are clear. Kimkins is dangerous. LCF needs to take a serious look at their promotion of the plan and consider closing those threads. I read through the Bootcamp thread there and see people eating 300-500 calories a day and complaining about not losing weight. That is downright scary.

August 8, 2007 at 9:27 pm

Melodie

The administrator for LCF, TOM, posted this over there….and it’s stinkin’ lame!

There is no official position or endorsement by LowCarbFriends of Kimkins or any other plan.

This site is provided to allow the discussion of both the good and problematic aspects of diets and weight loss topics.

We provide forums to discuss weight loss topics due to the volume of posts about topics – and therefore the interest level of members.

If you think Kimkins is dangerous, speak up and tell everyone why. If you think Kimkins is a good plan or is being mischaracterized, speak up and explain yourself.

The moderators will step in if someone is not respecting other members. Members should be careful to make sure that their messages abide by the Terms of Service and are courteous at all times, and that any criticism be framed in a constructive context designed to encourage civil discourse.

In the end, we believe that the combined intelligence and contributions by all involved will benefit everyone. The voice of reason generally prevails.

August 8, 2007 at 9:38 pm

PATHETIC

How pathetic are the admins at LCF if that’s the best answer they can come up with?

How do they not see or understand that by placing Kimkins front and center in the main selections under their weight loss plan category, they’re implicitly suggesting the diet is safe, established and a healthy low-carb plan?

How exactly can Tom say with a straight face to speak up when any time someone does outside the fascination thread it’s pulled with an infraction notification sent to make sure you don’t try it again?

August 8, 2007 at 9:39 pm

Kimkins4ME

How sad all of you are railing on something you can’t do yourselves! Suck it up and either do it or shut up already!

August 8, 2007 at 9:39 pm

Kan

That comment from Tom isn’t lame…it’s a lie:
“If you think Kimkins is dangerous, speak up and tell everyone why. ”

Well if you try and do that anywhere BUT the “fascination” thread, your post gets deleted and you get reprimanded.

August 8, 2007 at 9:42 pm

LCF SUCKS BIG TIME

Kan said: That comment from Tom isn’t lame…it’s a lie:
“If you think Kimkins is dangerous, speak up and tell everyone why. ”

Well if you try and do that anywhere BUT the “fascination” thread, your post gets deleted and you get reprimanded.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

EXACTLY!

That he pretends all is well and that discussion and even outright dissent (respectful, of course) is somehow allowed on LCF is an LIE!!!! It’s not tolerated at all…..I have the dozens of infractions and banning to prove it!

August 8, 2007 at 9:43 pm

Sandra Peake

Get real, protesters. W/o a place to call home, the Kimmers people will go to pro-ana and pro-imia sites and NEVER get exposed to naysayers. Why the Fascination…etc. thread even exists is as a rebuttal to all that Kimmers tried to establish, first on LCF, then on her own website. There is a good chance that the pro-Kimkins dieters WILL get interested and WILL learn to look after their health if they read it.(Several already have, and modified accordingly.) Believe me, others are monitoring that particular portion of LCF and doing what they can short of being deleted.And the rest of us have a huge variety of plans and recipes to follow elsewhere on LCF. It’s not hypocrisy to allow Kimkins – the diet police can have a field day with every diet. Wait’ll your bull gets gored! 😀

August 8, 2007 at 10:00 pm

EAT People, EAT!

LCF is LOVING the traffic and the clicks – and the potential sales to Netrition. It’s like a store with a dead body in the candy aisle – yeah, its horrible, but look at all of the people in the store!! Surely some of them will BUY something!!! Plus, we’re on the news – free exposure!!! (rolling eyes)

Ironically, they run that place very similar to how Kimmer runs hers with all of the cleaning and sanitation of the threads, anytime you question the admins or even mention an infraction they gave you. They also read PMs.

Hey, no wonder they don’t mind Kimmer – they taught her everything she knows!

Active Low Carber forums ROCKS!

August 8, 2007 at 10:06 pm

AnaForever

How sad all of you are railing on something you can’t do yourselves! Suck it up and either do it or shut up already!

___________________________________________________________
Wow Kimkins4me….don’t you post on the proana 24 hour site too? I thought the whole contemptous “You can’t do it….your not strong enough to starve yourself” looked really familiar! Great to see you out in public pushing the Queen Ana’s “how to kill yourself with your diet” propaganda! See you back on the proana boards. *wink wink*

August 8, 2007 at 10:16 pm

ilovekimkins

I can’t stomach the idea of being forced to make myself eat tubs of lard and pounds of bacon each day. Lean low carb is ideal and works better than any other diet out there. Try it before you criticize it!

August 8, 2007 at 10:17 pm

DrFatkinsSucks

Good heavens! Kimkins is a lean low-carb plan, like any other low-carb plan and healthy! If I don’t want to eat bacon and drink cream everyday why are you insisting I should? I don’t need to eat a greasy diet and die from heart disease.

LEAN LOW CARB ROCKS!

August 8, 2007 at 10:18 pm

Golly Gee

OK, who let the inmates outta the asylum?

August 8, 2007 at 10:42 pm

Kimmerexia

DrFatkinsSucks sez: “Kimkins is a lean low-carb plan, like any other low-carb plan and healthy!”

No ligitimate low-carb plan recommends starvation and malnutrition. Kimkins is only low-carb because it’s LOW-EVERYTHING!!! Kimkins is a Very Low-Calorie Diet (vLCD). vLCD’s are very dangerous and should only be used under a physician’s care and only then in the most extreme of cases.

August 8, 2007 at 10:49 pm

Kimmerexia

ilovekimkins sez: “I can’t stomach the idea of being forced to make myself eat tubs of lard and pounds of bacon each day.”

Umm, who’s doing that or who is asking you to do that?

ilovekimkins sez: “Lean low carb is ideal and works better than any other diet out there. Try it before you criticize it!”

Try to maintain on it before you promote it!

I’ve tried it several times years ago. It just didn’t have a slick website and call itself “low-carb” to be trendy. Starvation diets always failed back then and they will fail just as much now.

True weight loss success is measured by how many years you can keep the weight off, not how fast you can lose it!

August 8, 2007 at 10:55 pm

Kan

Active Low Carber Forums sucks too. Yes they are defintely better as far as focusing on safety, health, etc than LCF. But they’ll still reprimand you for nothing. One of the posters there (with a few thousand posts) and I (with one or two hundred) disagreed on something. She said something nasty to me, and when I QUOTED her response but redirected it to her, I got deleted and a reprimand. When I privately told the moderator that I was simply quoting what she said, I got banned.
All of them are pathetic and on their power trips! Kimkins isn’t alone there.

August 8, 2007 at 11:37 pm

#1 Fan of Kimmerexia

Did any of you people ever even READ Atkins before you decided to follow a ProAna plan? You sound like a bunch of uneducated fools to be honest….blah blah blah….bacon, cheeseburgers, and heavy cream….blah blah blah…Does Kimmer dictate to you what you can and can’t say? Oh yeah, of course she does….thats how cults work.

Atkins gives you the choice to eat many things, but its up to each individual HOW they choose to eat. If you want/need to eat leaner meats then by all means do…and call it Atkins, as it is. You can eat bacon dipped in sour cream all day long, and you can also eat chicken and salad….your choice. It makes me worry about those of you who have so little common sense that you need someone to dictate exactly what to eat and can’t understand how the rest of us can actually make good choice, EAT, and enjoy our health and lives at the same time.

When you start cutting calories, fat, AND carbs…you are cutting all nutrition as well, and you are now on a Starvation diet. Pure and simple.

August 8, 2007 at 11:54 pm

no one in particular

LCF serves its part in this convoluted play to bring down the star of the show, who is probably the proverbial fat lady singing in the midst of all of this.

To allow a place for people to come and look for information, and then to see that other plans work as efficiently if not better is tantamount to offering freedom and security in a world where conscientious and pragmatic dieters can aid those who believe that eating 500 calories per day is healthful living.

The ends do justify the means in this circumstance.

LCF is bringing in people who will just go to a private forum for the desperate and the dysfunctional and allowing them to see that sane people lose weight, and by using sane means.

To chase people off to private forums might be a quick fix for those tired of reading of egg white fasts, but it doesn’t shut down Kimkins in an intellectual and real way.

On the day that LCF finally closes its doors to Kimkins, it will be because there are no more ladies and gentlemen starving themselves, and because the enigma known only as Kimmer has been removed as a despotic leader once and for all.

I am willing to wait for that day.

In the mean time, for all who despise Kimkins and what the plan means, please spend your energy contacting the FTC and programs such as Nightline. Form citizen activist groups and work behind the scenes. This will be nipped in the bud, but only when we work together.

LCF is not the enemy. Kimkins is the enemy. Don’t be derailed from the true purpose of the blogs and the discussion. How do we stop Kimmer? How do we stop Kimkins?

One method is to give them a free forum where they learn about other plans and read the “Fascination” thread. Let’s work together and take out the villain, and not one of the parking spaces along the way.

August 9, 2007 at 1:30 am

You know who

Thank you so very much for this blog! It’s been sorely needed.

I must disagree with the above post by “no one in particular”, because no one has to be chased off, so the rest is mostly moot. This is a matter of LCF acting responsibly instead of out of greed and stubbornness.

They should simply lock the kimkins threads with explanations, OR the mods should be posting gentle warnings and advice on them, OR they should allow other members to reply with sincere constructive advice.

But they refuse.

As if that were not bad enough, the explanation by the admin, Tom, today, was so insulting to the intelligence of his members, I am still aghast.

It’s been obvious that they treat the members like children for awhile now, with the absurdly heavy-handed moderation, and that they are without honor when they read their member PMs. I was willing to overlook that, but after today, unless and until there is a public shift in their approach, I will never post there again, nor would I buy from netrition, even if they had a 99% sale.

They obviously think everyone is stupid. But that was the final straw, for me. There are too many other excellent LC forums for us to meet on for anyone to sit quiet and swallow being treated with such contemptuous disrespect.

I want to say I was very proud of controlledcarb for showing some moral backbone. Bless her. She’s a huge asset to LCF. Whether anyone goes elsewhere or not, I hope everyone stands together and has each others backs when they speak up against it like that.

August 9, 2007 at 1:32 am

kimkins4life

The only villain here is LCF. Like another poster said they love the traffic for the netrition orders! Kimkins is hip so get over it.

August 9, 2007 at 2:00 am

Snee

I wonder if Kimkins starvation actually affects rational thought?

Does it starve the brain too?

Some of the comments here sorta indicate that it might….

Just sayin’.

August 9, 2007 at 2:14 am

Kimmerexia

#1 Fan of Kimmerexia sez: IT ALL!!!

Wow! I’ve got a fan!!! {{{#1 Fan of Kimmerexia}}}

August 9, 2007 at 2:23 am

Interested, but curious

no one particular, Sandra Peake,

Ditto.

Melodie, Pathetic,

Maybe they haven’t come upon the best possible solution. For instance, a more descriptive name for the fascination thread might be more helpful. But I don’t think it’s lame to defend discourse.

August 9, 2007 at 11:20 am

LCF Fan

Thank you no one in particular.
Most of the anti-LCF posts are probably from the same person.
While you’re griping about censorship at LCF, the next breath you’re saying you want them to censor the kikmins information. Sad. Only things you think should be censored should be?
Why should the mods say anything? Are they doctors or nutritionists? Are YOU?
Read the posts and see how many people are dropping out of Kimkins and going to other threads for real support.
They can’t get that if you bully LCF to close anything Kimmer related down. They would have to pay at the kimkins site, or go to the ana boards where they would be encouraged by everyone to continue.
Think people.

August 9, 2007 at 12:25 pm

Kimmerexia

LCF has a major role in all of this just as much as Jimmy Moore did, and perhaps in some ways, even worse since it actually spawned the Kimkins scam.

When confronted with the truth, Jimmy stepped up and did the right thing, difficult as it obviously was, and immediately severed all ties with Kimkins, even though it meant cutting off a significant revenue stream for himself.

Maintaining an active, prominent forum with negative comments only allowed on one misleadingly named thread makes LCF as full an accomplice to the Kimkins scam as Jimmy ever was.

Is it really too much to ask that LCF stand up and have the same level of integrity, please?

August 9, 2007 at 12:40 pm

concerned

I definitely oppose the Kimkins diet, and support efforts to “expose” the dangers of VLCD.

However, bashing LCF seems to be a pretty lame attempt to drive traffic to these blogs.

LCF is definitely NOT perfect, and if I ruled the world, I would make the moderation a bit more consistent… but driving Kimkins off the board at this time does not make complete sense to me.

It is difficult to stand in judgement of people who suffer (in some people’s opinion) an ED, when in many regards, most people visiting diet websites also have some degree of disordered eating (acknowledged or not!). One person’s WOE is another person’s ED- who are WE (or LCF) to say??? I am not sure where the line could be drawn.

To add a disclaimer to one “diet” would require disclaimers for ALL- as all can be abused.

August 9, 2007 at 2:47 pm

Fascination Thread Poster

We could always “kill the messenger” because they are out in the open not hiding in the bushes like Kimmer..

However, the Fascination Thread has educated many people about the dangers of vLCD and we been thanked by many people who stopped doing
Kimkins or never started because of us.

What are YOU doing to stop Kimkins???

August 9, 2007 at 3:38 pm

#1 Fan of Kimmerexia

Because the Kimpire was spawned at LCF, I think LCF has an obligation to allow for a place where those doing and/or interested in Kimkins can come and get a more well rounded view of the whole plan, the REAL plan, and have a better shot at making a true informed decision.
If they don’t get the information there where are they going to get it….from the Kimkins site? From the great QueenAna herself?
At least at LCF there is a representation of the Dark Side of Kimkins, a bunch of other plans, and all kinds of people that really care about healthy weight loss and will be there to support those who are still looking for their own path.

August 9, 2007 at 4:41 pm

Kimmerexia

Fascination Thread Poster sez: “We could always “kill the messenger” because they are out in the open not hiding in the bushes like Kimmer..

There were apparently a quite effective call to boycott and contact Jimmy Moore’s sponsors regarding his relentless association with the dangers of Kimkins. Why should this be any different? No one is asking to ‘kill the messenger’ here any more than any one was calling to ‘kill the messenger’ with Jimmy Moore. It’s a call to responsibility. Jimmy completely stepped up. Why can’t LCF do likewise?

Fascination Thread Poster sez: “However, the Fascination Thread has educated many people about the dangers of vLCD and we been thanked by many people who stopped doing Kimkins or never started because of us.”

A start would be to either relabel the Fascination thread to something more all-encompassing and/or close it and also allow for other, unlimited numbers of anti-Kimkins threads on very specific topics of concern rather than lumping it all into one extremely unweildly mega-thread.

August 9, 2007 at 4:53 pm

GettingBored

Fascination Thread Poster said: “We could always “kill the messenger” because they are out in the open not hiding in the bushes like Kimmer..”

So why are all of these blogs anonymous? We don’t the “authors” of them come forward and say who they are?

Every “eat your bucket of lard” comment that is countered with a “you must be a kool-aid drinking anorexic” comment just makes both posters seem stupid.

August 9, 2007 at 5:09 pm

Kan

I am a LCF member and poster, and anti-Kimkins. I don’t think they should ban the Kimkins forum or the threads or censor them. I DO think they should allow us to post our concerns about it though….and they DON’T. They don’t let us post anything negative about Kimkins, no matter how respectfully done, other than in that one thread! That’s MESSED UP.
Not to mention that the fascination thread title sounds like a pro-kimmer title anyway.

August 9, 2007 at 6:28 pm

concerned

Kan said: “I DO think they should allow us to post our concerns about it though….and they DON’T. They don’t let us post anything negative about Kimkins, no matter how respectfully done, other than in that one thread! That’s MESSED UP.”

I TOTALLY agree that’s what should be done, but I believe that if the moderators DID let everyone post their concerns, the kimkinites would effectively be “driven” away (so it effectively would be the same as shutting them down). The mods have chosen to keep things peaceful, and are not allowing interference in the kimkin threads, or additional anti-kimkins threads.

But, maybe a few will be curious about the what all the “fascination” is about… so maybe it is helping some.

August 9, 2007 at 6:44 pm

kimkinssmith

“So why are all of these blogs anonymous? We don’t the “authors” of them come forward and say who they are?”

I do not matter, for I am only one of many voices. The messages matter more than the messenger. They always will.

August 9, 2007 at 7:02 pm

Joey

You do realize that THIS a WordPress blog and there is NO authentication for comments posted here. Just pick a bogus name and bogus email address and post. Not getting your point across? Do it again under a different name… and again… and again…

Just saying.

—————-

There is IP logging, timestamp and a real person sitting here moderating the comments. Is it possible to foil me? Sure, but we are cognizant of watching for IP duplications.

August 9, 2007 at 7:49 pm

Joey

“There is IP logging, timestamp and a real person sitting here moderating the comments. Is it possible to foil me? Sure, but we are cognizant of watching for IP duplications.”

As for IP duplications, it is easy enough to use one of the many anonymous proxy services to hide and switch IP addresses each time. Someone interested in stuffing ballots surely knows this.

August 9, 2007 at 9:02 pm

LCF Fan

Kimmerexia weren’t you the one whining on another blog because they wouldn’t let you use that ID? Think perhaps your objectivity is coloured by that axe you’re grinding.

August 9, 2007 at 9:16 pm

Crown of Snarls

LCF needs to do *another * of their great purges that they are so well known for on any thing relating to kimmer. The fascination thread is starting to piss me off with so many posts being deleted. Any posts that contains more than super kind motherly love and concern is removed, yet the pro ana-kimkinites can have free rein…..pissing me off

August 9, 2007 at 9:18 pm

LCF Fan

Kan says “They don’t let us post anything negative about Kimkins, no matter how respectfully done, other than in that one thread! That’s MESSED UP.”

Why? I’ve seen a few posts of people going into the kimkins threads and trying to “educate” them, and none of it has been respectful. Maybe you’d do it different, maybe not.

You don’t think that the kimmer-ites are reading that long thread every time the log into the site? Sure, most of them are probably shaking their heads at the witch-hunt mentality that some of the posters have been displaying. But maybe, just maybe, a few are starting to think that some of the points made about the plan being unhealthy are beginning to make sense.

If BBs shouldn’t be allowed to have places for “unhealthy” plans to be discussed, then there should be no Atkins boards, since the AMA and ADA say it’s a fad and unhealthy.

If you don’t like censorship, don’t suggest it for others.

>peace<

August 9, 2007 at 9:30 pm

You know who

Crown, I totally agree. Not only should they re-name the Fascination thread to “Warning about Kimkins”, but they should also put a warning up for diabetics. The sugary sweetness and obsequious groveling to the moderators is nauseating.

BTW, anonymizers are easy to identify, so whoever is watching can tell who’s using one.

August 9, 2007 at 10:10 pm

Kimmerexia

LCF Fan sez: “Kimmerexia weren’t you the one whining on another blog because they wouldn’t let you use that ID? Think perhaps your objectivity is coloured by that axe you’re grinding.”

Yup, that was/is my whine. Thanks for reminding me! Just another clear example of the LCF suppression and censorship for you! Who sez I need to be “objective”? I have a point of view and I’m expressing it. Why do you and LCF have problems with that?

August 9, 2007 at 11:27 pm

LCF Fan

For those of you who run to every site you can and slam LCF, why don’t you post your ID? You hate the site, so why bother to stay hidden? Email the site and ask them to ban you, you know, to save yourself from further toment.

Kimmerexia, thank you for proving my point about your agenda.

August 9, 2007 at 11:43 pm

LCF Fan

What my post above was about is that I do not understand, with all the choices for bulletin boards out there, you would choose to stay at a site that you obviously hate. It makes no logical sense.

August 9, 2007 at 11:59 pm

Kan

LCF fan, I never suggested censoring ANYTHING. Actually I specifically wrote:
“I don’t think they should ban the Kimkins forum or the threads or censor them.”

Maybe you should read more carefully. Or maybe you are misreading my post the way you are misreading the ones in the Kimkins threads that you are perceiving to be so disrespectful. I don’t see them.

August 10, 2007 at 1:56 pm

Kimmerexia

LCF Fan sez: “For those of you who run to every site you can and slam LCF, why don’t you post your ID? You hate the site, so why bother to stay hidden?”

So far, your LCF ID is masked too. So, what’s YOUR LCF ID?

LCF Fan sez: “Kimmerexia, thank you for proving my point about your agenda.”

You’re welcome.

And what about YOUR agenda here? Your ID here makes a clear statement of your agenda as well, in maintaining the status quo of the heavy handed censor limits that LCF is currently imposing on threads and comments that state the dangers and questions of fraud surrounding Kimkins, even in the “Fascination” thread. So somehow your bias is “objective”?

Thanks for proving MY point!

August 10, 2007 at 4:35 pm

LCF Fan

Sorry Kan, you did not, others did suggest that kimkins information should not be available anywhere. That was what I was addressing with the sensorship comment.

Kimmerexia: Because I like the site. And when all is said and done, what happens to all this hate when the kimkins drama dies down? What is your next target? You’ve already slammed kimmer, Jimmy Moore and now LCF. Who’s going to be your next victim of all this unbridled anger you seem to have?
A lot of jump-on-the-bandwagon types here.

August 10, 2007 at 6:26 pm

Kan

Side note: They’ve been really “cleaning up” the fascination thread today…I’m totally lost. Do they think we don’t notice that the stuff we read this morning is missing now?

August 10, 2007 at 7:28 pm

Kimmerexia

LCF Fan sez: “Because I like the site. And when all is said and done, what happens to all this hate when the kimkins drama dies down? What is your next target? You’ve already slammed kimmer, Jimmy Moore and now LCF. Who’s going to be your next victim of all this unbridled anger you seem to have? A lot of jump-on-the-bandwagon types here.”

Well goody for you if you happen to need the coucoon of the heavy handed moderation (censorship) on LCF. I happen to like THIS site. I get to say what I want without the sanitizing that routinely goes on at Kimkins and LCF.

Hate? Victim? Unbridled anger? A little over the top, dontcha think? Yeah, so much for any “objectivity” after your insistance that I couldn’t demonstrate. Um…are you the pot or the kettle today?

Oh yeah, and there’s more than bandwagons here, if you haven’t noticed. Hope you’re enjoying riding yours.

Hey, have a great starvation- and censorship-free day!!! 🙂

August 19, 2007 at 7:58 pm

Kimkins Dangers

LCF Mod “Tom” has just decreed that no kimkins dissenters are allowed to post in the kimkins support threads.

So.. they’re tacit endorsement of Kimkins has just taken a turn for the worse. Perhaps Jimmy Moore had a point all those months ago……..

LCF allows Kimkinistas to post in the “fascination thread” and say anything they want, as well as in any other post on the board, yet those speaking out against the plan are relegated to one single thread and “encouraged” not to venture out into other areas of the forum.

On other boards, if people see someone posting information that is obviously dangerous, everyone comments on it in an effort to ensure that others don’t read it and try out the dangerous information and harm themselves.

If the Kimkinistas are so sure that they’re plan is healthy, sane, safe and beneficial, they wouldn’t be so afraid of a few alternative opinions.

August 22, 2007 at 8:52 am

Pam

Kimkins Dangers says: “LCF Mod “Tom” has just decreed that no kimkins dissenters are allowed to post in the kimkins support threads.”

No, he said they are free to start their own threads rather than taunt people with continuous warnings of doom who are just trying to discuss a healthy way, if possible, of applying Kimkins principles. Opposing viewpoints are permitted and very visible in many threads. Stop spreading lies. There is enough misinformation going around.

December 28, 2007 at 12:06 am

ohyeahbabe

Great information, thanks. For more info, check here:
The Rise and Fall of the Kimkins Diet

December 31, 2007 at 2:56 pm

ohyeahbabe

Considering the Kimkins diet? Read this first: Kimkins Diet Scam Update.

Kimkins members may join the Kimkins lawsuit! Here is a video that explains how easy it is to join the Kimkins lawsuit.





Will the Real Kimmer Please Step Forward?

7 08 2007

Heidi Kimberly Miller was born May 10, 1958 and grew up in California. She attended South Torrance High School, had a baby at 16, and graduated in 1976. Soon after graduation she married Hector M. Diaz and took his name. Together Heidi and Hector Diaz had another child, Brandon. and they continued to live in southern California.

After sixteen years of marriage, on August 12, 1997, Heidi Diaz filed for a dissolution of marriage (divorce). Over the next few years she and Hector fought bitterly in the courts over money and the terms of child support. By her own account, she topped the scales at 318 pounds by her 40th birthday, May 10, 1998.

In email interviews Heidi claims she took the initative to lose her excess weight soon after her 40th birthday when her oversized belly lit the gas stove in her home as she reached up to fetch something from a cabinet above.

Her story meanders away from factual dates in her recent interview, via phone, with Jimmy Moore. In the podcast interview, she stated that she’d lost the weight and has maintained it now for 5 1/2 years. This statement takes Heidi back to late 2001, early 2002 as the start date for her weight loss if her statements with Jimmy Moore are accurate, or starting her weight loss when she was 43 years old, not her earlier claim of 40 years old.

Which is it?

Did she start to lose weight at 40 or 43? She also claims to have lost 198 pounds in eleven months, and to have maintained her weight since it was lost. But, how did she do it when the records she offers are proof do not support her claims? At the online forum, LowCarbFriends.com, she linked to a FitDay food diary as her proof to support her claims.

Yet, when we review this online diary, we find a starting weight lower than her claimed high weight of 318 pounds, with a starting weight of 285 pounds on December 4, 2000, at age 42.

From there, we find ups and downs with her weight, with an alleged dramatic weight loss recorded just one month from her starting her FitDay journal in January 2001 when she posted her weight at less than 200 pounds in her diary. This would be an 85 pound loss in less than a month. By early February she records a weight of 150 pounds, an astonishing and unbelievable 120 pound loss in less than two months! But if this is unbelievable, she also stopped entering food and weight again until August and recorded a new weight of 240 pounds, which would mean a gain in weight of 90 pounds!

Was she simply playing around with FitDay trying to understand how it worked initially and her claimed weight loss between December 2000 and February 2001 was not accurate, or was she trying to set the stage to establish herself as a weight loss guru and started to lay the ground again for that with entries beginning in August 2001?

Le’ts give her the benefit of the doubt and take her FitDay forward from August 2, 2001, when her entries start to become more consistent to record foods eaten and alleged weight. Again, a review finds an incredible rate of weight loss. In August 2001 she recorded a weight of 240 pounds. Six weeks later in September, 180 pounds, a loss of 60 pounds in that time. A month later she recorded her weight at 155, an additional loss of 25 pounds in less than a month and a total of 85 pounds in less than three. By mid-December she records a weight of 145, claiming a weight loss of 95 pounds in just four months.By March 2002 she records a weight of 125 pounds, which creeps back up into the 130’s in July and August, only to decline again to 128 pounds in November 2002.Again we find no support for her claims of weight loss totaling 198 pounds over 11 months.

No one online or within her new website community has ever questioned the authenticity of her claims which are clearly figments of her imagination by her own records offered up as proof of her claims.

Weight Loss Tips, in their interview (email) with her did not challenge her claims.Jimmy Moore, in his email interview and podcast with her, did not challenge her claims.

At no period of time within her records did she lose 198 pounds within eleven months.</font><font size=”2″ face=”Arial”>At no period of time within her records did she lose 160 pounds in seven months, another claim she’s made online. Yet no one has challenged her claims even with the discrepancies that are glaring in her FitDay records.Today she claims a weight of 118 pounds. By her own statements, she stands 5′6″ tall. At that height and 118 pounds, her BMI would be 19, the low end of normal. The latest photo online, of a woman in a red dress, which she claims is a recent photo of her, is neither as tall as Heidi is (from measurement analysis of the arms and hands in the photo), nor is she sporting a BMI of 19. While the woman in the red dress is indeed a normal weight, her BMI is estimated to be hovering around 23.Over the years Kimmer/Heidi has posted few pictures as evidence of her weight loss and maintenance. One picture we do believe is Heidi Diaz is found on Weight Loss Tips:

Kimmer Heidi Diaz Kimkins

This woman appears to be in her forties and appears to be somewhere between 275 and 325 pounds if she is 5′6″ tall. We have no reason to not consider this photo as an authentic photo of Heidi Diaz at her high weight claim of 318 pounds.We also believe that the avatar graphic found at LowCarbFriends.com is also Heidi Diaz, with her claimed after picture being her in high school and her before picture being her current photo:

kimmer kimkins heidi diaz kimmer kimkins heidi diaz

This conclusion is reached after reviewing the recent photo of Heidi (Miller) Diaz on Classmates.com that is a photo of the same woman on LowCarbFriends.com, taken on the same day, in the same outfit, with the same hairstyle and sunglasses:

kimmer kimkins heidi diaz According to publicly available records, the driver’s license information on Heidi Diaz includes indentifying information with her height of 5′6″, eye color hazel, hair color brown and weight at 215 pounds.

It is commonplace for the weight on a drivers license to be less than actual weight, so with the drivers license information, both the photo of Heidi Diaz on Classmates.com and the avatar on LowCarbFriends, appears to be a woman between 220 and 240 pounds.

Add to this, if she had indeed lost the weight she claims, and had kept the weight off for 5 1/2 years, her drivers license would have renewed at least once, if not twice, since losing the weight. It is unbelievable that she would not update her driver’s license weight after losing an incredible claimed 198 pounds! It’s also incredible that she would include a fat picture as representative of herself on Classmates.com if she lost 198 pounds and weighs just 118 pounds now.Yet, her claims remain unchallenged because people so desperately want to believe in her assertions because they too want to lose weight like they believe she did. Expect she hasn’t lost weight and she still remains an overweight woman living in southern California. Only now she is charging an entry fee to her website to provide advice on how to lose weight just like she supposedly did, and without any proof that she actually lost any weight at all. In fact, the evidence points to her remaining overweight and unable to lose the weight despite all attempts to lose it and maintain the weight loss

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August 7, 2007 at 7:18 pm

Slamboard

Great work, Ducky — according to this post she got her driver’s license renewed in April of 2006!
http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/kimkins/431338-ask-kimmer-9.html#post7063474

August 7, 2007 at 7:28 pm

Who is Kimmer? » Kimkins Controversy

[…] Kimkin’s Exposed reports all the lies and inconsistencies and explores the question, Who is Kimmer? According to publicly available records, the driver’s license information on Heidi Diaz includes indentifying information with her height of 5?6?, eye color hazel, hair color brown and weight at 215 pounds. […]

August 7, 2007 at 7:49 pm

Steph

You know what I dont get? All the ignorance. All of the pointing of fingers and determination to prove someone wrong. Privacy is a BIG issue to some ppl, including myself. So her name is Kimberly Heidi Diaz. Big deal! How many AUTHORS you know have changed their name for pulicaion purposes? Actors? Musicians? It’s all the same really, just wanting to protect her *right* to privacy. And we all have the right, dont we?

As far as the pictures go……backin the 80’s we all had big hair. By the 90’s we were highlighting it. Cant expect her to have the same cut all the time do you? SHe has OPENLY admitted to having some plastic surgery done. You can bet your butt that I’ll have a tummy tuck done too after I realy my goal weight. So WHAT if she also had some facial surgery done? The features in the pics ARE the same. Same chin, smae bsic cheekbones, same nose. After loosing THAT much weight, dont you think you’d look different too?

What’s it truly matter that no one has ever met her? Maybe she’s a very private person with social anxieties. It’s possible isn’t it? Of course it is, but here we go back to that thing, our determination to PROVE someone is full of it…..

I have rad so many statements where ppl have put words into her mouth and are bending over backwards just to call her a liar. Just because YOUR ass is still fat, you dont have to make trouble for the ones of us who are losing ours…….

August 7, 2007 at 8:04 pm

Missy

Steph, you can’t be serious! Really, have you been reading or are you just BLIND?

August 7, 2007 at 8:26 pm

satisfied reader

eh missy…

it’s a side effect of the koolaid…to be blind to kimmer’s faults

and to respond to any questioner with a childish “you’re just jealous” attitude, usually exhibited by a “fat ass” or “go eat your greasy hamburger” comment.

August 7, 2007 at 8:27 pm

Deb

If she is such a private person who wants her privacy why did she start a big website that charges $60 to be a member? If I wanted to maintain my privacy I probably wouldn’t be putting myself ‘out there’ in the first place and making very bold claims of weight loss.

As Laura Dolson said in her about.com article “Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof.”

What is so bad about Kimkins is not just her being a fraud but the actual dangers of this diet. I believe that this is a money making scheme that is putting people’s health in jeopardy.

August 7, 2007 at 9:06 pm

Kimmerexia

Steph sez: “So her name is Kimberly Heidi Diaz.”

No. Actually, it’s Heidi Kimberly [Miller] Diaz.

Steph sez: “So WHAT if she also had some facial surgery done? The features in the pics ARE the same. Same chin, smae bsic cheekbones, same nose. After loosing THAT much weight, dont you think you’d look different too?

Her diet is truly a miracle. She didn’t just lose 198 pounds, she lost 198 MONTHS (16.5 YEARS) if the pic in the red dress is actually her.

Imagine that…the fountain of youth has been discovered for a one-time fee of $60. Such a deal!

August 7, 2007 at 9:09 pm

Kimmerexia

satisfied reader sez: “it’s a side effect of the koolaid…to be blind to kimmer’s faults”

The sugar-free Kool-Aid is Diet Coke flavored. Makes fasting much more convenient.

August 7, 2007 at 10:00 pm

Josh

Isn’t Brandon Diaz listed as the webmaster for Kimkins.com?

If he’s the same guy, he also is listed as webmaster for a site called Corrupted Canvas.

http://www.coplanarmag.com/

Email contact for him is rezeyu@gmail.com

Same address as used for Kimkins too! From the WHOIS database:

Registrant:
Brandon Diaz
2220E. Treemont Place
Apt. 101
Corona, California 92879
United States

Registered through: FreeWebs Domains
Domain Name: COPLANARMAG.COM
Created on: 12-Nov-06
Expires on: 13-Nov-07
Last Updated on:

Administrative Contact:
Diaz, Brandon Rezeyu@gmail.com
2220E. Treemont Place
Apt. 101
Corona, California 92879
United States
17606461358

August 7, 2007 at 11:16 pm

Interested, but curious

The white shirt picture does not look to me like a mid-1970s photograph. The hair styling, makeup, lip color, fabric, shoulder padding, earrings, eyebrow shaping and photo color tonality and quality are all wrong for that era.

I would put it in the early half of the 1980s.

August 12, 2007 at 12:27 am

Digital Scales Center

I just came across your blog about digital scales and wanted to drop you a note telling you how impressed I was with the information you have posted. I also have a web site & blog about digital scales so I know what I’m talking about when I say your site is top-notch! Keep up the great work, you are providing a great resource on the Internet here!

August 20, 2007 at 6:28 pm

Rob

I hope this fake gets busted soon. I can’t stand it when people sell deadly diets to make money. She’s pretty sick if you ask me.

October 11, 2007 at 2:54 pm

The Sleuth Behind the KimKin Diet

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November 12, 2007 at 9:44 pm

Rosalee

What kind of moron would go on a diet consisting of 500 calories a day?
That is so stupid that it is not to be believed. You don’t have to pay
$60 to find out that eating nothing would result in weight loss.
I am not surprised their hair fell out……….who knows what sort of organ and bone damage has occurred.

Just shows once more, if it sounds too good……….