The Psychic Predicts…

27 09 2007

It’s starting off a banner day in the speculation department as to whom Ducky is.

First Tippytoes is sure we’re admins and members from Low Carb Friends. Now, theTRUTH posted private messages between SingingLass and Kimmer, with SingingLass offering her insights about who we are.

Oh, it doesn’t get any better than this!

SingingLass wrote:

Thats the fun stuff. I keep the kimkins site open in my IE browser, and when I go to any of those sites or LCF, I do so seperately through aol, fav places etc…so that they cannot see a browsing trail. I use a statistical traffic counter thingy on my listings myself. Someone must have linked some peeps from the chat room yesterday though, or at least so ducky claimed. I had actually wondered if you had peeked at it last night because someone announomously posted ” all of a dozen of you” on that. I have posted a couple times on the boards under different names just wanting to try to point out holes, its pretty pointless though, they don’t want to hear anything that bursts their obsession bubble. Ducky is definately grasping for straws though…most likely Catherine’s husband, prolly wanted to set up a couple different slam sites to try to broaden the appearance of the scope and people against you.

I also am not surprised no one has contacted you, its why I have laughed at them calling everyone, their silly petitions. Firstly, those kind of investigations tend to start with an undercover preliminary peeksie. Meaning they would have some underling at first poke their head in here to see if there is any kind of story or truth, no one wants to make a foll of themselves by running with something that is not solid…..and what they will find is not what is being spread around. People get what they pay for, no advice being given for people to eat nothing but grass…..and no where in the purchasing agreement does it say that people are entitled to know your bra size or choice of toilet paper. In order to have a real case, there would have to be huge lackings in what was promised, people paying and getting nothing and the like….and also there would have to be multiple medically documented cases of people being hurt or worse, and even then only if they followed the diet correctly and it happened. Also, any self-thinking investigator who goes and looks at that LCF thread and the ducky board will be able to see it is a foaming irrational mob behind this.

I had someone saying she was eating 10-15 g of fat a day in the chat room and not losing weight. I of course told her to up that, and she was like “oooh”……there also was someone who had been silently sitting in the chat room for a long time last night…bracken666 i think it was, who thought they have had an account since june, had no posts listed in their profile. I decided to address them and say hello, and bam, they signed out. Others said he/she had been in there for hours without saying anything, so just seemed odd they ran when addressed…obviously was watching. Just little things and people like that to keep an eye out, sad we have to, but needed right now I guess.

Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) replied:

Thanks, Del, you’re better than the FBI.

Everything you outlined for an investigation is exactly right — but I wasn’t going to bore you with the details, LOL! I’m glad you understand and you see yourself that there’s nothing hokey going on: diet, food list, support groups and nobody being told to drink Drano or gulp laxatives.

I did get an email from the Woman’s World editor. Wanted to know if we were sending mailings to members encouraging laxative abuse. Had to set her straight on what’s happening. Ducky is running out of resources — and every morning we’re still here darn it!

BTW, this probably sounds like a bribe (hey, you can blog about it!) but I appreciate you looking out for Kimkins. I’ll remember that. I believe a gift between friends is non-taxable, yes? You’ll have something to look forward to at Christmas. (theTRUTH emphasis added)


Comments feed for this article

September 27, 2007 at 6:18 pm


How paranoid are they? Someone is “lurking” and then leaves when addressed? How does the psychic not know the “lurker” wasn’t someone watching to gather info for their investigation?

September 27, 2007 at 6:25 pm

The Psychic Predicts… by

[…] continues at Just Ducky brought to you by and […]

September 27, 2007 at 6:28 pm


“Firstly, those kind of investigations tend to start with an undercover preliminary peeksie.”

You know, there really IS a reson why it’s called “undercover”. lol…

Conspiracy occurs when there is the specific intent that a crime be performed; and there is an agreement with another person to engage in or cause that crime to be performed, and one of the conspirators commits an overt act in furtherance of the conspiracy. At state and local levels, there are various degrees of conspiracy, ranging from misdemeanors to felonies, depending upon the crime that is committed. Under U.S. federal law, conspiracy is a felony.

September 27, 2007 at 6:34 pm

Concerned about kimkins

Or a person who is too shy to join or talk about their weight problem but wants to get info. What the hell?

September 27, 2007 at 6:45 pm


oohhhh … what’s Hidy going to send SL? A matching set of her ’striped’ PJ’s from jail?

September 27, 2007 at 6:51 pm

Princess Dieter

She’s a psychic. Why doesn’t she already know who Ducky is and who the lurker was and what Heidi’s bra size is. (50FF?) Ahem.

The Princess

September 27, 2007 at 7:05 pm


They’re wrong.

Ducky = RightNow = PJ

September 27, 2007 at 7:10 pm

Concerned about kimkins

Because much like a her claim of being a diet expert, she is NOT a psychic. Remember when Ms. Cleo got arrested for being a fraud, uh…a psychic would have seen that comin’. Plus, seeing her pics, she is also not at her goal, at all. So, um…yeah Heidi, please let the blind lead the blind. I know I’ve always wanted to go to Michael Jackson for Parenting tips. Shit!

September 27, 2007 at 7:46 pm


“Firstly, those kind of investigations tend to start with an undercover preliminary peeksie. Meaning they would have some underling at first poke their head in here to see if there is any kind of story”

What makes you think one or more of your new members *aren’t* working undercover for an agency? 🙂

September 27, 2007 at 7:47 pm

The Psychic Predicts… by

[…] continues at Just Ducky brought to you by and […]

September 27, 2007 at 10:16 pm

Princess Dieter

Excuse me, but how is a psychic worth $600 bucks an hour ($10 dollars A MINUTE). Teachers, nurses, plumbers, nutritionists, construction workers, dentists, etc –ie, real jobs—do not make this. Heck, my roofer didn’t make that and roofers are in big demand post hurricanes down here in Florida. Not even doctors make that, and maybe not lawyers (I haven’t hired any, so dunno).

But Singing”I’m just here to help people”Lass thinks it is right and just and fair to charge SIX HUNDRED DOLLARS AN HOUR for readings. Yeah, she’s in it for the empathic love…

No wonder she and Heidi get along so well. Online money-grubbers banding together….

The Princess

September 27, 2007 at 10:35 pm


I think they are all chuggin off the same jug LMAO.

September 27, 2007 at 10:56 pm


Interesting that SingingLass claims to have two degrees but her ass can’t spell!!!! Where did she get those degrees?????

Since we know that WW editor has contacted Kimmer with her concern — I say we all contact that editor AGAIN.

September 28, 2007 at 12:15 am


Hmmmm…opera singer, psychis, lawyer and NOW FBI/CIA/Police investigator!!! Is there no end to the list of qualifications this girl has???? Amazing!!! And she has never heard of spell check??? Hmmmm?

September 28, 2007 at 12:16 am


I meant psychic…..I HAVE heard of spell check! LOL

September 28, 2007 at 5:00 am


Actually, we don’t “know” that the WW editor has contacted Kimmer. All we know is, Kimmer says the WW editor contacted Kimmer.

September 28, 2007 at 7:08 am

Princess Dieter

I did write the editor of WW with links to here and Christin and TRUTH and etc. I was a mite ticked, too, and forgot to proofread. Left in a couple of typos. I hope they don’t think I’m Tippy or SingingLass. Heh.

So, I guess this won’t be over until the Psychic…stops singing?

The Princess

Getting to Know Tippy Toes

11 09 2007

One of the newest admins at Kimkins is Jeannie Baitinger, aka ‘Tippy Toes’ in the Kimkins forums and Low Carb Friends forums. For the purpose of keeping things simple here, we’ll refer to her as ‘Tippy’ throughout.

Tippy joined Low Carb Friends back in April 2004 when she started a low carbohydrate diet (Atkins) and weighed 263 pounds. Since that time she’s admittedly struggled to lose the weight desired and declared herself at goal on September 8, 2006 after losing 100 pounds. In the last year she’s maintained her weight between 150 and 155 pounds, alternating between Atkins and Kimkins. Why we make this an issue is that she recently wrote a positive 5 star review at the BBB for Kimkins, on September 7, 2007,

This is the BEST weight loss website I have been to yet! Thanks to I have lost 112 lbs, have never been sick, got off blood pressure and cholesterol meds and I feel terrific! I have NEVER experienced anything but positive help from the site and I was NEVER told to use laxitives OR lower calories–ever.I cannot say enough good things about the website. I tried other weight loss plans and they did not work but that Kimkins sure did! And I have medical records and pictures to prove it. Just ask me for them.

Within the Low Carb Friends postings she’s made, it’s clear she did not follow Kimkins exclusively.
In fact, through her own posts at Low Carb Friends, we learn she lost 47 pounds following Atkins, stalled for six months, moved to South Beach, then Eat Fat Get Thin, then a Fruit Rotation regiment, then Kimkins, and then finally a rotation of Atkins and Kimkins.

Yet, in the above review she attributes her entire weight loss to Kimkins. This may well be because she was the featured weight loss success recently in the Kimkins newsletter (issue 20). In that feature she states she started with Atkins and then found Kimkins when her weight loss stalled, she was frustrated and “starving and felt terrible…I was desperate.” In that feature she also willingly states she alternates between Kimkins and Atkins. This fact is curious given Kimmer’s (Heidi Diaz) disdain for Atkins and its allowance for higher fat meats and dairy. When we review the situation, it is clearer why Kimmer is open to Tippy saying many of the things she does in her success story. Kimmer is losing staff left and right and needs to replace staffers fleeing her company and site. She knows one thing about Tippy, and that’s her long standing desire to be an Admin at Low Carb Friends, a position she is now more than willing to extend to Tippy now that she, Kimmer, is desperate.We recently learned that over the years Tippy has long desired a position of Admin at Low Carb Friends and has made this desire known to many close to her, including Kimmer prior to her departure from that forum.

Last year Tippy stirred up things on a weight loss challenge thread on Low Carb Friends by being very critical of the Low Carb Friends admins at the time. She made it known she believed she was qualified to be an Admin and when a position as one was not offered, she started passing along private information about the Low Carb Friends admins behind the scenes in emails and Private Messages in an attempt to turn them on each other. In those communications we are told she alluded to questionable behavior by the Low Carb Friends Admins at a pig roast in Tennessee she attended, allegations we will not detail here, but suffice to say included implications of inpropriety between Admins whom were not married to each other.

An attention junkie like Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) she spent months attempting to garner a position of Admin within Low Carb Friends to no avail, but her desire to be one continued.

As soon as Kimmer offered an Admin position to Tippy, she jumped at it and quickly told her friends, expressing her delight at the opportunity. We’re told she said she was thrilled by the “authority” Kimmer entrusted her with and also expressed a grand plan to completely revamp the Kimkins diet plans into something she believed would be healthier and much less objectionable to those concerned over the safety of the plans as currently written.

May we remind her she need only look as far as Becky to see such changes will not be tolerated by Kimmer. Read Becky’s Reasonable Appeal to make changes and Kimmer’s reply point by point.

What is more disturbing than her less than accurate BBB review however, is that she’s taken to doing Kimmer’s biding on Low Carb Friends. In a very recent post there, she laid the groundwork to instill doubts in the minds of those concerned about Kimkins and Kimmer by questioning not only the motivation of those engaging on the Facination thread, but also attempted to lay blame for the entire situation on one individual, former business partner Catherine (whose husband is releasing details of that partnership at Slamboard).

Her post, titled Are We Being Used, includes the following,

Just a thought. Notice the person who started this thread is a junior member (meaning newly registered) and does not continue to post? Notice so many junior members coming in now? It is easy to assume they are from Kimkins site BUT I wonder about the truth in that assumption for many reasons. One, I recall Catherine telling X LCF members how easily identity can change so they could come back without admins knowing it was them… Cutie–remember that? Two, I notice the junior members seem computer savvy enough to post info and pics I would not have a clue about myself… Now I am not saying every single junior member here is ficticious. But I think many may be. Tom, can you check out this possibility?Is it possible this whole thing has been created by the ex biz partner, who is clearly mad as heck? Also, keep in mind it is the same creator of slamboards and…perhaps Ducky? Oddly enough, Catherine admits it was her idea to start a website for Kimkins–not Kimmers. So I don’t think Kimmer spent countless hours here plotting but I think Catherine did. Also, Catherine just thought Kimkins was a wonderful plan and fully endorsed and followed it, according to her. Until the partnership disolved, that is. Now it can kill you…WTH?

And the Kimkins survivors blogs… Are they real? How do we know? And the 14 year old–was that real?
The threats to anyone who is a moderator for her site–threats of fraud and lawsuits… A bully tactic for sure to intimidate them into walking out. The claims of KimATC being 50 lbs over weight…How rude was that, asking her how that Kimkins diet was working out? In fact, that statement points that Kimkins doesn’t work and we have established it does. We all have weight problems which is why we diet. The pressure is on–but by whom? The reasons seem pretty obvious.

Don’t get me wrong. I KNOW there are some of those people here in a genuine manner. I know a couple of you from her site and I know you had concerns (even if you are ALL at goal now thanks to her diet). I do not agree with cutting calories further in the event of a stall either. But perhaps Kimmer was in the learning process herself and it was a bad decision, or mistake. And maybe Kimmer did gain weight back and won’t tell. Take a good look around this site. How many people have gained their weight back and refuse to remove the skinny avitor pics and change stats accordingly? I think many of us are guilty for that.

Are we all puppets on a string being manipulated by a raging X partner?

We know in the past Kimmer has taken to manipulating situations to motivate individuals to do things they might not do on their own. An example of such behaviour in the past is the January 2007 blog by Jimmy Moore, where he attacked Low Carb Friends and did so in a scathing and vicious manner. He’s since retracted that post, but our memory is long here and we’ve been told that Kimmer’s input was indeed the impetus for that post.

It’s interesting that many of the points Tippy brought to her post at Low Carb Friends are now the same points Kimmer is trying deperately to convince her members of within the Kimkins forums. It appears much of Tippy’s post contents were scripted by Kimmer. Tippy seems unaware of the manipulative instincts of Kimmer and may not realize how she too is now being used by her as a means to an end.We ask this, Tippy how could you associate yourself with Kimmer given all the facts now in the public view?

We’d like to remind readers that this is the same Tippy Toes who organized the fundraiser for Kimmer’s (Heidi Diaz) phantom foster children last summer. Tippy accepted the position of Admin after revelation of the fact Heidi Diaz has no foster children and has not had foster children in her care since at least 2000.

Bye-Bye KimATC

10 09 2007

After we provided some background details on one Kimkins staffer, KimATC, she quickly fled into the confines of the Kimkins website, leaving her friends at Low Carb Friends.

Guess what Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) will wake up to learn?

Today, in a move calculated to ensure some readers saw it before it is deleted, she posted her goodbye to members.

Bye-Bye KimATC!


Comments feed for this article

September 10, 2007 at 1:44 pm


Okay enough is enough. I did NOT stop posting at LCF because of Kimmer – it never had ANYTHING to do with her. I stopped posting at LCF because someone I thought was a good friend posted personal and private information that was only shared in an email. An unknown blogger (I think you are “RightNow” at LCF right?) doesn’t have that kind of power.

September 10, 2007 at 1:45 pm


and you will delete my name out of your search word list


You were a legitimate employee of Kimkins, therefore a valid search term here as we profiled your position and relationship to the Kimkins website. Sorry, no can do!

September 10, 2007 at 3:29 pm

Concerned about kimkins

Kim I would assume since you are a “certified trainer” you would not condone a program that boasts the ability to lose mass amounts of weight with no exercise. That’s just my thought on it though. AND her name is HEIDI! But good job for leaving non the less.

September 10, 2007 at 3:55 pm


KimATC is a victim!

September 10, 2007 at 3:59 pm

Kimkins Dangers

We are hearing that KimATC is in fact banned from the Kimkins website. Is this true?

September 10, 2007 at 4:12 pm


I think so. It’s posted here.

September 10, 2007 at 4:36 pm


According to the thread Chimp posted, KimATC is blaming me for information posted about her. If anyone knows why, I’d love to hear it. What did the author of this blog ever get from me? I don’t even know who this author is? I would have guessed Tooter, but it doesn’t matter.

My concern for KimATC all along was the fact that I believed Kimmer was taking advantage of her. I posted about that quite a few times on the fascination thread and elsewhere on LCF.


We will clarify what we can. While we will not divulge our source, we can assure you our original information on the issue did not originate from Flowerpower or someone named Tooter.

September 10, 2007 at 4:46 pm


Ducky you said you’d remove it.

August 24th, 2007 at 3:35 pm

Ducky, if KimATC disassociated with Kimkins and quit her staff position, would you remove this post about her?


While she remains on staff and promoted as such, she remains part of the Kimkins team, thus this post shall remain. If she leaves Kimkins and is no longer on staff and is removed from the Kimkins team page, and no longer is providing advice within the Kimkins forums, then yes, this post shall be removed since she is no longer associated with Kimkins.


That was two weeks ago. She’s a dollar short and a day late today. We did remove her children’s names when they were edited off the Kimkins site. We will not now remove her profile article because she took too long to act. Sorry.

September 10, 2007 at 5:17 pm


There was no time limit in your promise.

September 11, 2007 at 3:13 am


[i]That was two weeks ago. She’s a dollar short and a day late today. We did remove her children’s names when they were edited off the Kimkins site. We will not now remove her profile article because she took too long to act. Sorry.[/i]

Wow… I totally support your effort to stop Heidi/Kimmer/Kimkins, but it seems a bit vindictive to continue to publicly scrutinize KimATC by continuing to post her profile after she has resigned.

How does continuing to embarrass KimATC help the effort to stop Kimmer?

September 11, 2007 at 5:42 pm


Ducky, I was a staunch supporter of yours, but now I realize that you are a liar, you never gave Kim a time line, ever. You are a liar and no better then Kimmer. Learn to keep your word and do the right thing.


How we feel about this situation: Her departure carried no remorse for association with Kimmer/Heidi and made no attempt to disassociate from Kimkins and Kimmer. She may regret her association with the site and the woman, but she has no clearly stated such in any of her posts on various forums since she left. As we said before, a day late and a dollar short.

That said, we also must point out something we were not aware of at the time when we made our statement. Due to KimATC being a paid staffer, we cannot expunge material which may be relevant in an investigation given what is now known. We would like to be able to keep our word, even though we do feel her actions do not warrant such, but cannot at this time due to legal implications. Destruction of evidence does carry penalty and we are not willing to destroy materials potentially relevant to an investigation. As we noted, we DID remove her children’s names from the original article posted.

Thank you for your understanding.

September 11, 2007 at 6:20 pm


Hey cut Ducky some slack. I have shared a lot of private emails with Becky and Christin and others. A small amount on a public board. But the biggest thing I learned from Ducky is NOT to post anything personal on the web. You just never know who is reading it, copying it, and posting it elsewhere.

Just think of the irony of this, changing the “terms” afterwards sounds kind of like changing a TOS after one has already agreed to it. 🙂

I appreciate the above comments, I really do. But this is Ducky’s blog and he/she can do as he/she sees fit. So, let’s just move on please 🙂 I believe he has more current and relevant things to deal with.

September 11, 2007 at 6:23 pm


Ok, lets move on, cut some slack, your right! Ducky is simply a liar. Heidi is simply a liar. I think Kimmer feels she has more important things to do as well 🙂

September 11, 2007 at 8:07 pm


Ducky, since I have been searching for and have yet to find anything to contradict this as of today:

“Her departure carried no
remorse for association
with Kimmer/Heidi and
made no attempt to
disassociate from Kimkins
and Kimmer.
She may regret her association
with the site and the woman,
but she has no clearly stated
such in any of her posts on
various forums since she left.”

I agree that that is very disconcerting.

Perhaps it would be wise to avoid making any further promises that an entry will be removed if they leave, unless you are satisfied with them appearing to leave for that reason instead of conviction.

Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) and Disability

30 08 2007

A curious entry on Slamboard noted that when Catherine and Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) were dissolving their partnership, Catherine asserted herself in an exchange of emails when Kimmer was making her look bad to an affiliate.

Catherine wrote,

If this slanderous behavior continues on your part I will have no choice but to defend myself with the truth. If necessary, I will publish a full accounting of our business dealings and records (minus the members’ identifying details of course) and forward it to our affiliates, the IRS, and Social Security Disability Insurance authorities.

This tidbit remained unnoticed for the last few weeks, but with recent revelations about Kimmer’s activity on other sites asking about her financial situation, her receiving Social Security Disability was again brought to the forfront of the large number of discrepancies and potential fraud surrounding this woman.

Back in April 2006, Kimmer posted,

Fortunately I’m judgement proof … no assets, no cash, no checking account, no job, and my income is non-taxable so no IRS refunds to attach. The student loan people are so frustrated, LOL!

Court records indeed show a judgement from her student loan company.

In an adoption forum, Kimmer was seeking information about adopting a special needs child,

I am disabled also (heart condition) and receive Soc Sec Disability. I’m trying to figure out if I can ‘afford’ to adopt. The cost of living in our area is very expensive (rent $1550). I have no debt (no credit cards, car loans or personal loans). I spend everything on the boys so they can be like other kids, including $300 a month for allowances and extra money for movies, video games, etc.

In that adoption forum, her profile states,

Junior Member
First Name: Heidi
Last Name: Diaz
Sex: F
Last Online: 08-30-2004 at 09:41 AM

On Creditboards, she asked about how to buy a house with her financial situation (back in 2005) and said,

My income is Social Security disability and foster care. My foster payments are to care for the children and their needs, not pay off my personal debts.

What’s interesting here is that she’s mentioned receiving Disability benefits a number of times; and many believe it is due to a heart condition which she has also mentioned in various posts on Low Carb Friends. However, Martin answered a query on his Slamboard site recently and stated that,

Kimmer told Catherine that she was receiving social security disability for — exact quote– “carpal tunnel but more serious.” She always maintained her story about being a foster parent. She types so much that the carpal tunnel seemed laughable.

Whatever the reason for her SSD, it’s noteworthy that if she is still receiving a check, she’s now committing fraud because one cannot rake in over a million dollars and continue to collect SSD.


Comments feed for this article

August 30, 2007 at 3:25 pm

Healthy LCer

Let’s hope the governmental authorities get involved in Kimmer’s fraud, because they are relentless.

And, once you “get off” SSD, you can never get on again because you have proven that you can hold down a job. SSD is NOT for people who can actually work! I’m sure the government is used to dealing with fraud all the time in this area.

Justice needs to be done.

August 30, 2007 at 3:59 pm


So Catherine was ok with the fraud as long as she was on the payroll, too? Too many players in this dramedy.

August 30, 2007 at 7:29 pm


Awesome detective work Ducky!

Move Kimkins to Other Plans Folder!

28 08 2007

As of the time of this writing, Low Carb Friends has maintained a poll long enough to allow those posting within the Kimkins section to speak up and let the admins know how many are really following Kimkins versus how many posting and viewing the area are no longer following the plans and/or have modified it (no longer really doing Kimkins).

With 117 members voting already, an amazing 80% are either doing something they’ve modified (23%) or no longer doing Kimkins (57%).

It’s enough votes and time to move the threads. There aren’t enough posters to overtake the small number doing Kimkins and the plans do not deserve prominence as a headline diet plan in the area.

Tom, move the threads today!

Low Carb Friends Considers Moving Kimkins to “Other Plans”

27 08 2007

In what seems like a move that defies everything the admins at Low Carb Friends has said about the Kimkins diet prominence in the Weight Loss Plans section, they’ve opened a poll with the following message from the Admin (Tom):

Although there are a lot of members discussing the Kimkins diet plan here on LCF, we want to get a feel for how many people are actually following the plan as defined by Kimmer vs. a modified version of it.

If it turns out that few people are following the official plan, we will consider dissolving the Kimkins forum threads back into the “Other Plans” forum, yet still welcome discussion about the plan there.

Please respond to this poll about your experience with the Kimkins diet plan. If you have never followed the Kimkins plan or a close variation, please do not respond to the poll.

Thank you.

The poll options include:

I follow the Kimkins plan exactly as defined by Kimmer
I follow a modified version of the Kimkins plan
I used to follow the Kimkins plan, but no longer do

If you want to see the Kimkins plan removed from the top five diets in the Weight Loss section, vote now with either “modified version” or “no longer do” the plan option!


Comments feed for this article

August 27, 2007 at 6:55 pm

Healthy LCer

I am hopeful this will happen because I don’t think anyone really does this plan as stated at LCF’s…Most tweak with Atkins OR refeeds OR add more fat..whatever..

It should be interesting, huh?

August 27, 2007 at 7:13 pm

Fluffer Nutter

I voted (that I used to follow it but no more)

August 27, 2007 at 8:44 pm


They’re just trying to cover their butts now! They bitched, moaned and complained at anyone who suggested they remove Kimkins from the top spots, claiming that enough people did Kimkins to justify the position. Then it comes out they’re advertising to bring in Kimkinistas to their “free” site so they can up sell them Netrition stuff. Now today Kimmer is busted for lying about being a CASA and the court rep wants info from anyone who sent her money for the kids. That’s rich! Now all of a sudden LCF is thinking of moving position? CYA….nothing more than that.

August 27, 2007 at 8:45 pm


You know LCF won’t let any posts within itself link to your blog anymore? Talk about friggin’ Nazis!

August 27, 2007 at 9:27 pm


I didn’t see an option that reads, “Because we’re a family site, do you think we should even allow for dangerous diet plans as Kimkins at LCF?”

August 27, 2007 at 10:02 pm


My thoughts exactly, cleo.

It will be interesting to see just how far and fast LCF will be running from Kimkins when some poor soul loses their life from this diet, or when the full truth about Kimmers comes out.

It’s clearly not an IF regarding the dangers of Kimkins… with so many close calls already now… it seems very likely that someone may already have died.

August 27, 2007 at 10:40 pm


I want to reply that I did kimkins and am still suffering the effects of it and that I wonder why today, of all days, Tom grew a semblance of a conscience.

(as if everyone doesn’t know why.)

I’m beginning to even resent the members who post at that mercenary site, knowing they’re enabling him rather than holding his feet to the fire. Some don’t realize it, but some should know better, and there are two other good places to go that deserve our support. (ALC in particular has been great about allowing members to voice their reasonable opinions and not squelching the truth about dangers of Kimkins.)

August 27, 2007 at 11:30 pm

Low Carb Friends Considers Moving Kimkins to “Other Plans” by

[…] continues at Just Ducky brought to you by and […]

August 28, 2007 at 12:38 am


We can probably count on one hand (maybe two) the number of people “actually” doing Kimkins.

Most are modifying it all to pieces with Atkins cycling, upping fats & calories, adding fruit or other “Kimkin no-no’s” and even some are doing full blown carb “refeeds.”

All good stuff…but none of it “Kimkins.”

So why must those members insist on clinging to the label of “Kimkins” and why give people the impression that “Kimkins must be a good plan” if it rates having it’s own forum on the largest low carb community site?

If I was LCF, I’d definitely move those threads into “other plans” and quit promoting “Kimkins” as a plan “worthy” of its own forum…it’s not.

August 28, 2007 at 4:30 am


lol cleo

I think they should have defined what “kimkins as defined by kimmer” is.

i.e “original kimkins”, “PBTB” etc.

I mean so many of them say they’re doing kimkins and adamantly defend it (can you say fluffybear), but don’t comprehend ITS NOT kimkins if you tweak it.

I think the first poster to the thread makes the point.

August 28, 2007 at 2:46 pm


I also think that it needs to be stated that maybe if LCF had not enabled Kimmer/Kimkins, perhaps the “Kimmer-stein” monster would never even have developed.

This situtation didn’t happen overnight, and as much as we would like to think that it is all because of “Kimmer’s magical/charismatic powers/lies”, alot of people who should have known better had to be “lookin’ the other way”…

September 7, 2007 at 5:02 am

Happy Kimkins Loser

So many of us are doing really well on Kimkins…….our doctors are happy, our blood work is good, we feel great, nothing else has worked for us…
DUH! The weight is coming off when it DIDN’T on other low carb diets (I’m one who has “low carbed” for years without much weight loss) and for the first time, I’m down 42 pounds!

Kimkins works……and some people, like me, do very well on it and come out healthier by far than when they started it.

Please be fair. We are NOT all alike, as you know. If I had not found Kimkins, I would be “low carbing” without weight loss still.

Getting to Know You: KimATC

24 08 2007

We’ve taken time to introduce you to some members of Kimkins staff. Today we shall introduce you to the person who Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) considers the ‘fitness guru’ for her members, KimATC. Since joining the Kimkins staff, no photos of Kim are including for members to see her like other staff members. We only know what information is included in her biography:

Kim has been an NATA Certified Athletic Trainer for 15 years and has worked as an athletic trainer at numerous levels including collegiate, high school, clinic plus published research. She is presently working for a very large children’s hospital coordinating a biomechanical and neuromuscular research project on ACL injuries in female athletes. She has had articles published in The American Journal of Sports medicine, Journal of Athletic Training, and JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Association). She holds BS degrees in athletic training and sociology from North Dakota State University and MS degrees in Sports Medicine and Biomechanics from the University of Oregon. She is planning to pursue a PhD in Epidemiology. Kim not only has extensive experience working with athletes, but was a competitive power lifter as well. EDITED AUG 27, 2007 TO REFLECT CHANGES ON WEBSITE THAT REMOVED NAMES OF CHILDREN.

Her detailed biography and unique name led us to find her posting on various forums across the internet, including Low Carb Friends, CincyMoms and Low Carbo Nostra. What’s more, the details regarding publications in various journals hones in on who she is as we find one person with publication in each mentioned above, Kim D. Barber-Foss.

  • JAMA. 1999 Sep 8;282(10):958-63
  • J Athl Train. 1999 Jul;34(3):277-284
  • Am J Sports Med. 2000 May-Jun;28(3):385-91

After reviewing the literature, it appears no other papers include her as an author, so it’s assumed she has not published more in the last seven years.

From her posts on CincyMoms, we learn she and her children moved to Cincinnati, which with her bio including her research at a children’s hospital, confirms our finding that she works at Cincinnati Children’s Hospital as a Research Biomechanist. This was learned on the North Dakota State University site where she is listed on the Board of Visitors, Emeritus Members roster. She is also listed among the Ohio Athletic Trainers’ Association OATA District 4 representatives.

Rumors we’ve received led us to review some of her posts on Low Carb Friends along with her profile. From her profile, we learn she has been active poster on Low Carb Friends, with more than 14,500 posts since June 2002.

A prolific poster on the forum, she complains about her job

“The new business manager they hired a few months ago is a real prick and he’s making it hard to like coming to work.”

She writes often of financial hardships and from the information we received, posters on Low Carb Forums have sent her money and one provided her with a used car. We have been unable to verify that information, so it is nothing more than speculation.

What isn’t speculation is that Kim remains at least overweight if not obese. Yes, the certified trainer giving advice is overweight/obese, hence no photographs of her on any of the sites she posts or Kimkins. She’s even, in the past, posted that she “did send away for Univ of Iowa’s gastric bypass surgery info. But that just seems so extreme.”And earlier this year maintained in her signature that her goals this year included:

Goal #1: 25 pounds lost by 2/15/2007
Goal #2: 50 pounds lost by my birthday 4/29/2007
Goal #3: To try and find “ME” again

With at least 50 pounds to lose, if not more, dedicated to Kimkins for quite some time now, on staff at Kimkins, and a certified athletic trainer, we have to ask “how’s that Kimkins working for ya?”

If you want to ask her yourself, you can email her if you look up her contact information in the above links as her email address is publicly available on multiple sites.


Comments feed for this article

August 24, 2007 at 12:46 pm


She’s posted a lot on LCF about her struggles with weight and always seems to be starting over again and again, so I’m not surprised she’s still overweight. It does lead me to question her role at Kimkins though. It’s one thing to struggle on a forum, have your friends help you out and support you. It’s another to be on staff but unable to lose the weight and keep it off on a site that claims the diet works for everyone. If she’s still fat then she shouldn’t be telling others how to lose weight or exercise, she needs to do it herself and then, when she’s fit and thin, she can tell others what to do. Until then, she’s just another person who talks the talk but doesn’t walk the walk.

August 24, 2007 at 1:02 pm


Everyone on low carb friends knows Kim is fat. Fact.

August 24, 2007 at 1:04 pm



Kim is fat, Kimmer is fat, heck even some other staff are fat. And they’re hoping suckers will keep paying them money about how to lose weight?

PT Barnum was right!

August 24, 2007 at 1:07 pm


“The ugly and the stupid have the best of it in this world. They can sit at their ease and gape at the play. If they know nothing of victory, they are at least spared the knowledge of defeat.”
-Oscar Wilde

August 24, 2007 at 1:17 pm

Lu Lu

Anyone whose been on lwo-carb friends for a while knows Kim is still overweight. She starts the threads to lose five and then starts another one later when it hasn’t happened. If she would take her own advice and just do it, then I’d be impressed. She hasn’t, she can’t, so I haven’t bothered to read much of what she says anymore.

August 24, 2007 at 1:32 pm

Getting to Know You: KimATC by

[…] continues at Just Ducky brought to you by and […]

August 24, 2007 at 1:46 pm

Gravely concerned..

Absolutely. Just think if a Weight Watcher leader was still large. Noone would go to the meetings. They are a visual aid to see what people can do on that particular plan.

You need to bow out of giving people advice until you haven taken your own advice.

I also think that Kimmer is overweight. If she wasn’t she would have plastered lots of pictures on her site. Gee..her son teaches photoshop!!

August 24, 2007 at 1:48 pm

Too Funny

Probably why she removed her fantasy signature a couple of months ago

Certified Athletic Trainer

I’m living The Secret
1) I am financially secure 2) I am a money magnet. I receive checks from many sources. 3) My kids and I are healthy and happy and living in .4) I am a thin and beautiful woman


August 24, 2007 at 2:22 pm


She changed her signature because of people being nasty to her. Everyone struggles with their weight. How many of these comments are left by people that are a perfect size 6? This has gone too far, she is free to lend her support as she wishes, we do NOT know that she is profiting from it as KImmer is, and publicly putting her personal info out there, BESIDES ridiculing her efforst to lose weight.

You should be ASHAMED. this has nothing to do with Kimmer. And I am one on lcf that does NOT support Kimmer, do not be mistaken by that.

August 24, 2007 at 2:45 pm

Oh My!

Kimmer has one credentialed person on her staff, and that person can’t follow the diet herself?

That’s rich.

August 24, 2007 at 2:46 pm

Oh My!

“She changed her signature because of people being nasty to her. Everyone struggles with their weight.”

I don’t struggle with mine and didn’t need Kimkins to figure it out. That Kim is out front and center as an expert about fitness and is supposedly doing the diet too, um, don’t you think she should be at least fit and lean (if not thin)?

August 24, 2007 at 2:51 pm

Down with Kimkins!

I’m sorry but if you swim with the sharks, expect to get bitten! I would never go to an obese personal trainer so if she (KimATC) is in fact obese she has some explaining to do.

She claims to have her lawyer working on this. To that I say good luck! She put her self in this position and needs to take responsibility.

And as someone else pointed out, if the Kimkins diet is the “second coming” why doesn’t she apply herself and lose the weight? Oh I know! Because the diet sucks and she probably knows this.

I love eating my “just dessert”. Lowcarb cheesecake is my choice!

August 24, 2007 at 2:52 pm


From WordPress TOS: “the Content is not obscene, libelous or defamatory (more info on what that means), hateful or racially or ethnically objectionable, and does not violate the privacy or publicity rights of any third party”

Who’s site will be shut down first Kimmer’s or YOURS???

You should be ashamed, yes, (doubt you are) but you should be a little smarter in your zealous attempts to churn hits to your site. Get a “real” life…

Everything contained within posts here is publicly available information, thus not in violation of the WordPress TOS.

Secondly, KimATC is a public figure, promoted by the Kimkins site for her credentials and expertise, therefore open to public scrutiny by those seeking the truth about the Kimkins organization and its staff, paid or unpaid

August 24, 2007 at 2:57 pm


How KimATC didn’t see that Kimmer was using her for only her credentials is beyond me. KimATC should tell Kimmer to go take a leap and take back control of how her name and credentials are being used. KimATC has earned her ATC, she’s earned her degree, she’s published in respected journals. That’s all Kimmer wants…to be able to brag she has KimATC on staff. If I were KimATC, I’d tell Kimmer to shove it.

August 24, 2007 at 3:02 pm


How lovely that “Just Ducky” and all of you are so perfect (if indeed you all are real anyhow-could just be sockpuppets or inventions of Just Ducky for all I know). Whether or not this woman is overweight is none of your business and your complete invasion of her privacy is indicative of the appalling disrepect for human rights that members of this anti-Kimkins “cult” have displayed time and again while hiding behind their own anonymity. If you’re so perfect and have the courage of your convictions, stand up and be counted publicly. No? Oh, well… one can only hope that someday someone will send a lawyer to unmask you.

August 24, 2007 at 3:03 pm


“”This blog will be an expose of the Kimkins Diet website and its founder, Kimmer.

Because Jimmy Moore recently took appropriate action to disassociate himself from the Kimkins Diet Affiliate Program and promotion of the dangerous diet, he is no longer a target of our exposing the truth about Kimkins.

If you thought we dug deep to provide background on Jimmy Moore, you ain’t seen nothing yet! Come along for the ride with us as we expose the truth behind the website, the Kimkins Diet and the woman behind it all, Kimmer.””

sorry, i missed the part where we were on a search and destroy mission for everyone associated with kimkins. I thought this was about heidi diaz.

Those associated with, specifically on staff and promoted as such by the Kimkins organization, are open to public scrutiny if and when they’re are perpetuating the diet or plans. Thank you for your comments.

August 24, 2007 at 3:08 pm


I wouldn’t want to be Kim right now, but do think that if she’s on staff for Kimmer, she’s fair game and should be held just as accountable as Kimmer. Her weight? Another issue, but still, see the point that someone who is held up as the guru should at least be fit even if they’re not skinny.

August 24, 2007 at 3:12 pm


Kim would do well to quit Kimkins site and tell Kimmer to remove her from the Meet your Team page immediately. Then maybe Ducky will remove this post if she’s not on staff and no longer a public figure in the company?

August 24, 2007 at 3:18 pm

Kimkins Dangers

When selling a weightloss product or plan, those involved in the selling of said product or plan have to prove that it works.

If you saw a fat person on TV selling an exercise machine, what would you think?

Kimmer IS using KimATC’s credentials to sell Kimkins – promoting the fact that they have an ATC on staff. ON STAFF.

Would you buy a treadmill if the staff person marketing it was overweight?!

I do agree that struggling with a weight issue is not something to make fun of or mock in any way and I am not doing that at all.

However, if Kimkins is THE ANSWER that Kimmer says it is, there is no reason that anyone “on staff” should have a weight problem even after being part of the program for as long as KimATC has been.

That indicates a problem with the program.

August 24, 2007 at 3:32 pm


















August 24, 2007 at 3:33 pm


You people have serious problems, KimATC is a human being. and no one deserves to be attacked the way she has been in the above comments. You are just hateful and nasty.

August 24, 2007 at 3:35 pm


Ducky, if KimATC disassociated with Kimkins and quit her staff position, would you remove this post about her?


While she remains on staff and promoted as such, she remains part of the Kimkins team, thus this post shall remain. If she leaves Kimkins and is no longer on staff and is removed from the Kimkins team page, and no longer is providing advice within the Kimkins forums, then yes, this post shall be removed since she is no longer associated with Kimkins.

August 24, 2007 at 4:03 pm

Kimkins Dangers

I wanted to clarify my earlier comment – although anyone on staff at Kimkins is in some way responsible for the dangerous promotion of the dangerous diet and KimATC is not immune from that.. publishing her personal information was not a good idea, sorry Ducky.

Her email, and what looks like a work / business email, should not be involved with this debate. Her email at Kimkins would be more appropriate.

As many have said and pointed out elsewhere, KimATC is not known for promoting starvation / laxative abuse and the other dangerous information spewed about the Kimkins website.

She at least seems to have a head about her shoulders!

(But I do wish she’d put herself first and stop letting Heidi take advantage of her!)

August 24, 2007 at 4:39 pm


“Ducky” is a >300 pounder from LCF, who has been conspicuously absent from the Fascination thread for some time now. Hello Pot? Kettle calling……Is Ducky someone you want telling you what diet to follow (or not)?

August 24, 2007 at 4:43 pm


Hey Donkey……who would that be?

Alluding to someone isn’t fair….just say it and be done with it already!

August 24, 2007 at 4:45 pm


Brilliant sleuthing! I had posted some questions re KimATC over at LCF, as I’d just realized she is not only a member there but an active (putting it mildly) poster. I just wanted to know if she was a real person (as opposed to one of Heidi’s a.k.a.’s and sockpuppets), and if so, I’d like very much to ask her what is her opinion of the whole controversy, what is her opinion of anorexia, the allegations of stealth marketing, etc.

But the “Admin” immediately deleted my post (as he’s done with nearly all my other posts in the fascination thread) and sent me yet another of his unbelievably rude PMs, this one accusing me of “attacking” KimATC.

So I’m glad to read your blog entry with all known info re this aspect of the controversy gathered into a single page. Fascinating stuff. I absolutely had no idea KimATC ever had a weight problem, let alone that she continues to struggle with it while dispensing fitness wisdom to one and all both at LCF and on-staff at the Kimdom.

August 24, 2007 at 4:45 pm

Kimkins Dangers

Ducky isn’t telling us what diet to follow or not. He is simply illuminating the dangers inherent in the Kimkins plan.

If you think it’s so great and healthy, why not post some *factual* information that supports that – such as peer reviewed medical studies showing how great and healthy a VLCD with laxative abuse is?

August 24, 2007 at 4:45 pm


Oh dear gosh….as if those from LCF don’t see the “Kimber” part of the Donkey name and are supposed to think it’s Kimber.

Give it a rest whoever you are, cause you’re not Kimber.

And no matter how fat or thin Ducky is, Ducky isn’t selling anyone a diet or taking your money. Kimmer is and she’s made millions off the suckers led to believe starving is the way to go.

August 24, 2007 at 5:19 pm


Kim is simply a prop for Kimmer, a prop to help lend credibility to her insane plans. Kim would do well to quit being used by Kimmer and publicly denounce the plan as unhealthy.

She reads and posts at LCF and saw everything about that child that you posted about here and DID NOTHING to help that child. She’s on staff and DID NOTHING when Deni was cheering her on, DID NOTHING when others were cheering her on, and DID NOTHING when Kimmer implied that what she was eating was fine because she has stored body fat, even if that’s just 500-cals a day!

Kim ATC should be held accountable like every other peon staff member over there who sits idly by while Kimmer continues on and makes millions at the health expense of others.

August 24, 2007 at 6:00 pm


I think everyone here that’s said Kimmer is using KimATC only for her credentials is right. Kimmer is using Kim to make more money and from what I’ve hear Kim isn’t even being compensated.

August 24, 2007 at 6:16 pm

Crown of Snarls

Ducky, you are now considered a “shock bloqqer”


Shock bloq Ducky

Too freaking funny!

The truth makes a lot of people angry, keep up the good work.



August 24, 2007 at 6:17 pm


I feel bad for Kim. Not for the fact you easily found all the information you did and included it here, but because it’s obvious she’s just a puppet to Kimmer.

Kimmer is definitely promoting Kim as a reason to join and do exercise (that she herself says you don’t have to do, which is why she needs Kim, otherwise she’d be a hypocrite saying it now after years of saying you don’t need to exercise).

I too hope Kim quits and tells Kimmer to close up shop for her dangerous diet.

August 24, 2007 at 6:20 pm

Too Damn Funny

Hey Ducky!

Did you see what the LCF Admins said about you?

Since certain shock bloggers are going far beyond respectable reporting with vicious attacks on the weight of individuals and photoshopped faces placed on obese bodies – among other sleazy tactics – we are no longer permitting links and discussions of certain blog entries here. Please visit those blogs directly if interested in reading them. Thank you.

That was, of course, after the requisite housecleaning to remove all the links from this morning to here!

I BOOKMARKED YOU…..I’ll be back!

August 24, 2007 at 6:25 pm

Crown of Snarls


Excellent post!

Why oh why is KimATC being given a pass on HER responsibilities to that child?

Oh wait: could it be because people on LCF like her?
So she stood by silently while a child starved, but we like her, she’s a nice person.

This is sickning to even try to defend her.

August 24, 2007 at 6:34 pm


Looks like Jimmy Moore was right about one thing, LCF is a bunch of Nazi’s!

August 24, 2007 at 6:37 pm


Said it many posts ago, will say it again


August 24, 2007 at 6:37 pm


Sweeping thread-sanitation has taken place on Low Carb Friends in the “Why the Fascination with Kimmer Thread. ” All posts made today referring to not only this blog but others have been removed, and this warning added by LCF Administration:

“Since certain shock bloggers are going far beyond respectable reporting with vicious attacks on the weight of individuals and photoshopped faces placed on obese bodies – among other sleazy tactics – we are no longer permitting links and discussions of certain blog entries here. Please visit those blogs directly if interested in reading them. Thank you.”

Ducky, keep up the good, investigative work. We will never get to the bottom of this Kimkins/Kimmer fiasco without your digging. And with the thread sanitation, post removal, account suspensions, warnings, etc. happening at LCF, it appears, unfortunately, that the LCF administration has become as paranoid as Kimmer.

August 24, 2007 at 7:10 pm


KimATC is allowed to post about it on the lose 5 pounds thread though.

I agree that KimATC should quit Kimkins, it’s making her look sleazy!

August 24, 2007 at 7:14 pm


Ducky, watch out KimATC has her divorce attorney on this!

“They crossed the line talking about my kids and my job. I will take legal action and have already spoken to the attorney that did my divorce.”

Somehow she hasn’t connected the above quote that names her kids is FROM THE KIMKINS site and in public view there! She’s blaming you! She needs to blame Kimmer for exposing her kids!

And her job, well again, her bio says where she’s published, you connected the dots with those journals. Oh, and SHE SAID HER NAME HERSELF on LCF at least twice as “Kim Foss” when she was patting herself on the back about her boss saying something nice for a change!

August 24, 2007 at 7:23 pm


I hope to God people don’t go after Kim at work or her family in any way. I am disappointed to see some of this stuff posted.

As some of us have known KimATC since early 2000 and cared a lot for her, we’ve been advising KimATC to quit her job with Kimmer since the whole red dress controversy began.

Kim used to adamently support Kimmer on LCF constantly, and would complain when anything negative was brought up. At that time, KimATC said she knew the red dress photo was the current Kimmer. When questioned further, she admitted to never meeting Kimmer, just through the internet and possibly telephone.

KimATC refused to ever acknowledge being paid to work for Kimmer, although she did announce on LCF that she had a 4th job – working for Kimkins. I’m assuming she referred to the fact that Kimmer was paying her.

I’m also assuming Kimmer told her to quit posting on the Kimkins controversial stuff on LCF, as KimATC had the admins remove all her posts, and she wasn’t heard from again until today.

KimATC – since you are reading this – DO THE RIGHT THING! Quit letting Kimmer take advantage of you! Is the money she’s paying you really worth this?

It’s too bad it came to this Kim, I wish you would have listened to ‘your lcf friends’ many weeks ago.

August 24, 2007 at 7:25 pm

Stop the Insanity!

Kim is a published author in scientific journals and allowed that to be in her bio. It’s a no-brainer someone can look up who she is in pubmed with very simple keywords and name comparisons.

Besides that, she’s said who she is in her posts on LCF, so her name is out there already by her own words. So are her kids names. Big deal, who is going to do anything to her kids? She’s used them as her avatar on LCF for a while now and never thought it was a problem until today?

And what exactly is her divorce attorney going to tell her? Sorry Kim, your information is public? It says right in her bio she works at a children’s hospital. She’s on the lists linked to with her work information (she should be thankful she didn’t use her home address for those!)

She is staff for Kimkins and until she disassociates, I think she’s as culpable as everyone else on staff for the dangerous information.

You play in the dirt, you get dirty.

Quit Kimkins KimATC!

August 24, 2007 at 7:46 pm


Lots of good comments here. Kim ATC should realize that her association with Kimmer and Kimkins affects her credibility and that disassociating now is a good option to consider. There is too much bad stuff happening at Kimkins and Kim doesn’t need this all. I think she should quit. Forget the lawyer-upping crap, just get out of Kimkins and be done with it.

August 24, 2007 at 7:52 pm

Fluffer Nutter

Kim all I can say is you lay with dogs you get up wtih fleas.

August 24, 2007 at 10:12 pm


The most annoying/frustrating part of this whole fiasco today on LCF is that Kimmer et al are probably out celebrating tonight. A great fount of information has been silenced.

August 24, 2007 at 11:11 pm


medusa – that may be true, but KimATC has on her own chosen Kimmer over LCF. Who knows if Kimmer told her to make a choice or not??? It wouldn’t surprise me.

I just can’t believe she chose the faudulent Kimmer??? There is just too much information here for anyone to follow Kimmer. Those that continue to support Kimmer and her fraud must have their heads in the sand at this point.

August 24, 2007 at 11:13 pm

Fluffer Nutter

Now I’m thinking Kimmer is paying her….LCF hobby and no income, easier to leave than a paycheck!

Ducky said above that if she quit Kimkins, he’d remove the post here…she just left LFC, that’s saying something without saying a word!

August 24, 2007 at 11:17 pm


If KimATC is being paid, she should probably talk to that attorney about what will happen to her if there are any lawsuits filed against Kimkins.

August 24, 2007 at 11:26 pm


flowerpower, I wasn’t clear in my post.

The “great fount of information” I was referring to was the “Why the fascination with Kimmer?” thread on LCF, not KimATC.

The recent posts on that thread were thought-provoking, thoughtful, concerned and relevant re the dangers of Kimkins. Now the silence on that thread is deafening.

August 25, 2007 at 12:13 am


Part of the silence on the fascination thread is because so many of our posts were (and are continuing to be) deleted as soon as almost as soon as they’re posted — and then we were/are treated to rude/hostile PMs from “Admin”.

The last one I received was — and I am not kidding — a warning that I am AGAIN in violation of the LCF TOS because of the “extensive use of font and color” in my posts.

August 25, 2007 at 1:25 am


MeeMee729, you’re not alone. I can’t believe they censured you for so-called “extensive use of font and color” in your posts. That is utterly ridiculous.

I also received a “warning” from the LCF Admins this morning after I made a post that included a quote from another forum member. Mine was an innocuous post and was not rude or off-topic in any way. This was the message I received from the LCF Admin’s:

“Please do not just post to quote other posts. This adds to the length of the thread unnecessarily.”

I found it rather odd because posters before me had included many quotes in their posts. This happened shortly before the thread was sanitized. After receiving the “warning,” I discovered that my account had been suspended.

The thread tonight continues to remain relatively silent, with only a few senior members’ posts having passed muster with the Admins.

August 25, 2007 at 1:41 am



August 25, 2007 at 1:42 am

LCF admin nazis

Yep, LCF are definately as paranoid as Kimkins with there cleaning up of the thread.

I really dont’ understand them. Isn’t it to their benefit that people are having discussions on there saying how kimkins (technically their COMPETITION) is bad?

LCF admins seriously need to lighten up. I too am getting sick of the contstant infractions for pathetic reasons. Too much font and colour in your post? good grief give me a break. I dont’ know if it’s one admin in particular or all 3 of them that are freaks.

What’s the name of another good low carb discussion board? I’m done with LCF.

August 25, 2007 at 1:57 am


Sorry about that confusion medusa – I have not been following the thread on LCF the past few weeks. Today was the first time I looked at it in quite some time. It’s too bad so many posts on that thread were deleted today. So many of them supported KimATC as a helpful lowcarb friend.

I know there has been lots of information about anorexia and eating disorders, but I have not spent time reading that stuff, as it does not apply to my life at this time. I did learn enough from the early on posts to watch the behavior of my own children, though.

KimATC has helped many people at LCF. She has been relentless with her support of anyone with injuries, me included. Her presence will be missed. Her support of Kimmer will certainly not be missed by many.

Kim now realizes, I’m sure – that she has put way too much of her personal information out there, considering she continues her support of the fraudulent Kimmer. When she signed on to become a staff member at Kimkins, she probably should have watched her back more closely. She knew from years ago that many people did not agree with Kimmer’s theories.

But, she made the choice to leave LCF – maybe her employer forced it, but it was still Kim’s choice.

August 25, 2007 at 3:36 am


Is that why the fascination thread is so quiet??? I knew I was missing something today! What in the WORLD are they so afraid of????

Meemee, I remember your post regarding KimATC. There was NOTHING wrong with it. Those administrators are such losers.

August 25, 2007 at 4:42 am


Since its obvious that people can pretend to be whomever and whatever they choose online – how do we know for certain that this KimATC person is the same as the published, highly accomplished, physical trainer Kim? Perhaps that name was chosen because there’s a verifiable identity trail behind it. I mean, I’ve never heard of a 300 pound personal trainer educated in sports medicine and working as a – what? – biomedical whatever, but broke and needing donations???? Very strange to me, just doesn’t add up. Of course, anybody can get into money trouble, but with all of those credentials it just seems like that person would be sitting pretty or at least have plenty of resources.

Just my opinion, but the whole KimATC person sounds about as legit as Kimmer, who’s also trying to convince people that she’s a freelance writer.

Seems also that someone with that much going for them wouldn’t have time to make 50,000 message board posts – but whatever!

August 25, 2007 at 5:10 am


I’m not sure where the line of decency is regarding KimATC’s personal information… but nonetheless, I’m very disappointed by LCF lately.

Shame on LCF…
* for NOT allowing discussion and dissenting viewpoints (as allowed for other controversial diet threads) on Kimkins support threads where they could actually *MAKE A DIFFERENCE*.

* for using google ads to draw more and more people to the Kimkins starvation WOE with ads for “free Kimkins forums”.

* for increasing the importance and seeming legitimacy of the Kimkin woe by (at the very LEAST) not grouping it in “Other Plans”.

Many diet message boards DO care about ensuring that the diets their sites discuss are healthful, and immediately close threads that promote kimkins, VLCD, long-term fasting, etc. Not only are Kimkins support threads allowed, but now concerned “friends” aren’t allowed to post a gentle “hey, isn’t 500 calories too low?” Isn’t anyone concerned that LCF probably has many more 14 year olds viewing its site (and possibly even being cheered on, unwittingly) than the infamous paid diet site?

Meemee: the excessive font and color violation is pretty unbelieveable. Wow… many people use customized font/colors for their posts!

August 25, 2007 at 1:54 pm

Kimkins Staff Fitness Guru is Overweight » Kimkins Controversy

[…] Kimkins Exposed has written a lengthy and controversial post about KimATC, the Kimkins staff diet guru: With at least 50 pounds to lose, if not more, dedicated to Kimkins for quite some time now, on staff at Kimkins, and a certified athletic trainer, we have to ask “how’s that Kimkins working for ya?” […]

August 25, 2007 at 3:47 pm


“The thread tonight continues to remain relatively silent, with only a few senior members’ posts having passed muster with the Admins.”

Check again…even one of those went “poof” and another was edited.


For those you asking about another lowcarb support site–I think Active Low Carbers is pretty cool–and they have an active Anti-K blogs thread that allows people to actually discuss what’s going on in the Kimmer controversy. Can’t talk about LCF much on it, which is ok by me…but plenty of freedom to talk about Kimmer and these blogs.

August 25, 2007 at 3:54 pm


Hi Medusa. So sorry this has happened to you too. As far as your account being suspended, I think we can assume the Admin is reading this and the other anti-K blogs, and suspending your account is his way of punishing you. Poor little dictatortot.

August 25, 2007 at 4:00 pm


I for one am boycotting Netrition. As most of you probably already know, Netrition = Forum Friends LLC =

They are or appear to be the same company and share the same geographic/physical mailing address and telephone number:

20 Petra Lane, Suite 6
Albany NY 12205-4977

Now, as far as this particular Admin is concerned — is he the sole authority? What do the other admins (the list I have is comprised of Cheri, Dottie, etoi, and Jim) think about the whole Kimmer/Kimkins mess, and what do they think the control freak tendencies of He Who Shall Remain Nameless? Are any of the other admins willing to intervene in this reign of error?

August 25, 2007 at 4:10 pm


Thank you Kan! I’ve been having a little pity party all week, LOL Sorry to everyone who had to listen, and I appreciate the opportunity to vent.

The PM re “extensive use of fonts and colors” was as I said the last straw for me. For one thing, absolutely nothing in the TOS says anything about the use of fonts and colors. I only ever used one color in any of my posts — blue, because it’s easy to read and I happen to like that color for typing, so sue me — and I only ever use one font in any of my posts, too — Comic Sans MS — ’cause it’s cute 🙂

Here’s the relevant section of the PM…
Excessive use of fonts and color
Please post in the default font and color that everyone else uses. It is not appropriate to make your posts stand out compared to others. Thank you.

Not appropriate to make my posts stand out compared to others? What about so many members who use colorful Signatures in every single one of their posts? Colorful signatures spread over several lines and using fonts, smileys, etc. They don’t “stand out” ?

Isn’t that the whole purpose for having those features on the board? So that people can use them, to express their individuality?

Oh wait, individuality is bad and must be stopped. D’oh!

August 25, 2007 at 6:08 pm


Correction: It’s Friends Forums LLC, not Forum Friends. Sorry about the goof.

August 25, 2007 at 7:00 pm


LCF Admins Hypocritical??

I found it rather odd when I checked out the LCF “Fascination” thread this afternoon that post #7998 posted on 08-25-2007 at 02:23 p.m. had been allowed/approved by LCF Admins, especially in light of their warning yesterday where they stated that…

“Since certain shock bloggers are going far beyond respectable reporting with vicious attacks on the weight of individuals and photoshopped faces placed on obese bodies – among other sleazy tactics – we are no longer permitting links and discussions of certain blog entries here. Please visit those blogs directly if interested in reading them. Thank you.””

I think the inclusion of the before and after pictures in post #7998 is insensitive and in extremely bad taste, especially the “before” picture. I may be way off base here, so I’d be interested in finding out if it strikes anyone else the same way. To my mind, LCF Admins are patently hypocritical.

Here is the post by kingstu:

“Kimmer has done a fantastic job of taking pieces from Atkins, Stillman, and South Beach, combining them into one very low calorie diet and dispensing nutritional advice with no credentials whatsoever. She has created a “cult of personality” which is evident by the number of her defenders on the Interweb.

What boggles my mind is how can even one person defend her when she refuses to post a photograph or even give an in person interview? Has anyone seen Jimmy Moore’s blog. You can’t stop the guy from posting photos, youtube videos, doing interviews with anyone who will listen. What kind of weight loss “expert” doesn’t post her own photo and instead posts so many different photos of different people claiming to be herself that it’s almost laughable.

What kind of person makes up success stories and posts photos of professional models as after photos?

I’m going to start the Stukins Weight Loss program.





You too can experience the incredible transformation on the Stukins weight loss plan. It will make you thinner, change your race and even make you a fabulously wealthy musical genius.”

Should the LCF Admins delete the post and pictures, I have saved them and would be glad to send them on to you.

August 25, 2007 at 7:51 pm

cleochatra No pro-kimmer discussions, no font and color violations, no bad aftertaste. From people who acted as administrators and moderators at ADBB and LCBB. Come on over.

August 25, 2007 at 9:08 pm

Robin Bayne

MeeMee and Medusa, I have been “warned” about things on LCF also, which is why I rarely post there anymore.

It is very strange that everyone on LCF talks about how Kimmer deletes posts and reads PMs, when that very thing is why Kimmer and many others originally left LCF to start a new site.

August 26, 2007 at 2:14 am


Because my previous post is a just a tad confusing (actually, it’s very confusing), I just wanted to summarize what I was trying to get across:

I’m surprised that the LCF Admins allowed the posting of a picture of an anonymous obese man in a parody ,especially in light of the fact that they became so incensed over the “vicious attacks on the weight of individuals and photoshopped faces placed on obese bodies.” I don’t know who “obesemanpa4″ is but I’m sure he’d be mortified if he saw that he was not only a “before” picture in a thread in a diet forum but had also morphed into old Snoop Dog.

I saved the photos in case the Admins suddenly decided that maybe it wasn’t such a great idea to have the pictures posted in the Fascination thread, or maybe thought they might be opening themselves up to some legal action by obesemanpa4. I just wanted them saved for posterity…or some such thing.

I’m afraid my sense of humour has become tainted because of this whole LCF fiasco. I am furious that they deleted my innocuous posts, sent me ridiculous e-mails as to why those posts were deleted, and then capped it off with suspending my account.

I’m blaming the LCF Admins for my inability to keep a train of thought together long enough to make an intelligent post, which doesn’t beg questions or become lost in translation. :^)

August 26, 2007 at 5:22 am


One final note and then I’ll shut up. Re my comment about boycotting Netrition. I want Netrition/Friends Forums LLC to appoint/hire new LCF admins who are fair, impartial, and polite. But as a friend who has a kind heart pointed out, a boycott would hurt the board members themselves. So I’m feeling rather guilty for even bringing it up.

August 26, 2007 at 5:54 am


Umm I’m sorry but I don’t give a crap how nice and supportive
KimATC was on LCF. She should be ashamed of herself for prostituting her credentials to Kimmer for a quick buck. I don’t care how hard up you are for money, this is totally unethical.
Was she active at all on Kimmers board? Was there an “Ask the trainer” thread or anything? If she was pretty much seen (on the team page) but not heard, than that is exactly what she was doing….selling herself.

August 27, 2007 at 6:52 pm


I was curious about another Kimkins staffer, Ailsa, so I googled “Ailsa Lincolnshire”. The first site is an amateur busty BBW escort by the name of Ailsa who escorts in Lincolnshire and London. Quite a strange coincidence!

August 27, 2007 at 9:43 pm


I’m so sorry my friend KimATC got involved with the Kimkins site and that it has led to all this. Yes, she’s real, a very knowledgable athletic trainer, former high school athletic trainer (job she loved but which didn’t pay well), a former power-lifter, a great mom, a super-sweet person. She answered tons of people’s questions about various aches and pains on the LCF boards.

The car story is true! I’m so glad she took that beast off my hands! … and still got some use out of it. We turned the handover into a fun, fun “girls weekend”.

September 10, 2007 at 1:34 pm

Bye-Bye KimATC « Kimkins Exposed

[…] ATC, nutrition advice, Heidi Diaz, Kimmer, medical advice, Kimkins, Weight Loss After we provided some background details on one Kimkins staffer, KimATC, she quickly fled into the confines of the Kimkins website, leaving her friends at Low Carb […]

September 10, 2007 at 5:07 pm


Kim may be overweight, but did you know that fat people can be fit, too? **gasp** It’s true! I’ve seen it.

*This poster has no affiliation with either Kimmer/Heidi, KimATC, and is not a KimBot.* I just think KATC should not be dissected, but do what you think is right. However, if she knew what was going on and was in on it, then all’s fair!

September 11, 2007 at 3:25 am


If KimATC is truly gone from the Kimtanic, why does this thread even exist?

October 3, 2007 at 3:39 pm


Please direct everyone to major news channel in California. They’ve exposed Kimmer/Heidi on National News and have her on video surveillance. They try to talk to her but she jumps in her car!!!

One news channel down…we won’t stop until she’s on Dateline with Stone Phillips. She can be qualified as a predator too!!!