Let’s Review Important Information

5 10 2007

Since July we’ve posted about the dangers of the Kimkins diet and the deceptions used in selling it.

For those just tuning in, please take a few moments to read some of our most important posts:

Information about the class action lawsuit is available here.

Information about requesting refunds at PayPal is available here.

A summary of the controversy is available on Wikipedia. (Wiki deleted the article)

UPDATE: Ducky is taking the weekend off to spend time with family and friends. For those new to our blog, please take some time this weekend to read our posts and understand why we feel it is important the truth about Kimkins and Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) be exposed. For those continuing along and keeping up, we’ll be back on Monday and hope you’ll take a breather this weekend too to relax and have some fun!

We will be moderating comments over the weekend, so if you leave a comment, it will be in the queue until we get to it as we have time throughout the weekend.

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October 5, 2007 at 2:06 pm

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October 5, 2007 at 2:28 pm

McLurkypants

After some back & forth over deletion attempts, I’ve gotten an article to stick on Wikipedia – all familiar with Wikipedia editing should feel free to hop over there and contribute! Kimkins Controversy on Wikipedia.

October 5, 2007 at 2:51 pm

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October 5, 2007 at 2:58 pm

BamaGal

Here is something else that needs addressing, the Ezine articles. I did a couple of blog posts about it. I still have not received any info from them. But they have addressed it in their own blog. Check out these links.

Ezine Articles « Kimkins Scam

EzineArticles Blog » Battles We Did Not Ask For

October 5, 2007 at 3:07 pm

captivated

mclurkypants – that is beautiful!

i can’t stop watching this story unfold. it’s like the OJ trial!

October 5, 2007 at 11:12 pm

Cryssi

*********for ducky**********

This was made by Gina for you over at LCF. These are the new badges we’re all sporting in leiu of the rubber ducks.

http://www.lowcarbfriends.com/bbs/9311882-post872.html

October 6, 2007 at 2:07 am

Susan

Looks like the Wiki article is down. I was really hoping to check it out, too!
Did anyone copy the Wiki article anywhere that can be read now?

October 6, 2007 at 2:58 am

Kimmer Is Busted

http://www.behappy2day.com/girls_info.php?i=6077&f=1

October 6, 2007 at 3:02 am

kim

Dude, go to LCF, they found the red dress.

October 6, 2007 at 3:02 am

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October 6, 2007 at 3:07 am

kkatastrophediet

http://www.behappy2day.com/girls_info.php?i=6077&f=1

red dress alert!

October 6, 2007 at 3:12 am

HoneyBee

The big fake picture source was found…Kimmer in the red dress goes by the name Lesya http://www.behappy2day.com/girls_info.php?i=6077&f=1

October 6, 2007 at 3:47 am

Concerned about kimkins

Ducky Wake the hell up!!!!

http://www.behappy2day.com/girls_info.php?i=6077&f=1

October 6, 2007 at 3:53 am

BamaGal

The lady in the red dress as been found!!!

http://www.behappy2day.com/girls_info.php?i=6077&f=1

October 6, 2007 at 5:34 am

Laura

Here’s the Lady in Red:

Lesya

http://www.behappy2day.com/girls_info.php?i=6077&f=1

http://www.behappy2day.com/girls_info.php?i=6077&f=2

October 6, 2007 at 5:47 am

McLurkypants

Have you heard that the RED DRESS photo Kimmer presented as hers has been found on one of those Russian mail order bride sites by a woman named “Buzzybee” at LCF??

HERE she is!

October 6, 2007 at 5:48 am

McLurkypants

OK I don’t know if that link works?

http://www.behappy2day.com/girls_info.php?i=6077&f=1

October 6, 2007 at 8:30 am

Princess Dieter

The Red Dress has been found. 🙂 And Ducky missed it. Dang, Ducky.

But I’m sure by Monday, when you return, there will be all sorts of new reports about the Kimtanic.

Happy Weekend All. I feel sooooo good about that pic being found. YES!

The Princess

October 6, 2007 at 1:02 pm

Susan

Hmm, my post of last night is gone… Anyway, I had posted that the Wiki article is down. Anyone have a copy posted elsewhere that we can read?

October 6, 2007 at 1:13 pm

Princess Dieter

Yeah, it supersucks that they deleted it. McLurky had done a great job, lots of good links. I hope it’s reinstated.

The Princess

October 6, 2007 at 2:14 pm

Susan

PD, I know – I hope to see the Wiki article soon.
McLurky, any chance you kept a copy?
Wow! I wake up this morning to a Blizzard of Red Dresses! This is great.

October 6, 2007 at 3:11 pm

thatgirl

I can’t get into LCF right now. Grrrr. Internet page cannot be displyed. I wonder if Heidi was letting Brandon out his hacker hat on again.

October 6, 2007 at 4:42 pm

Susan

Yep, LCF boards appear to be down. I was able to go to LCD and to the main board page, but was unable to access specific links such as Stillmans etc.

Can’t wait to see what Darth Kimmer still has up her sleeve.

My prediction is her next spin will be to play her sympathy card. She will take a page from the Paris / Brittney playbook.

October 7, 2007 at 2:13 am

McLurkypants

Susan & Ducky, I am having to go thru the challenge procedure on Wikipedia (AGAIN). I have the support of the admins who deleted it the first time I put it up – we shall see what happens.

I AM SO PISSED that I didn’t save a copy of it! Others had gone on and edited & added so much stuff, it was really growing. I hope it will come back – I’ll spread the word when it does. Glad you appreciated it!

October 8, 2007 at 3:10 pm

theTRUTH

This is for the California attorney generals consumer complaint form.

http://ag.ca.gov/contact/complaint_form.php?cmplt=CL

December 27, 2007 at 4:57 pm

katinsac

Friends don’t let friends do Kimkins! Remember that cover girl on the WW Mag? Well, she learned the hard way about Kimkins and it’s dangers!! Read her blog and decide for yourself.

http://the-journey-on.blogspot.com/

December 27, 2007 at 9:43 pm

katinsac

Now that you know the Truth…Join the Lawsuit!!

http://kimkinslawsuit.wordpress.com/





Becky Continues

27 09 2007

Just moments ago, Becky posted a continuation of Kimkins: The Perfect Storm.

Now, a look at the professional practices of Kimkins.

Kimmer first gave out her brand of diet advice (as well as hair care and skin care tips) for years on Low Carb Friends, which garnered both followers and foes. I am not sure when the idea of her own site first began in her mind, whether it was all a carefully-laid plan, or just an opportunity too good to pass up when it arose. Judging from her track record of not sticking very long with any one thing (whether it be school or work or a relationship), I would guess that it was the latter. My conjecture is that she joined the diet site in all sincerity, hoping to lose weight like anyone else. She probably learned some things and had some initial success, but then, being Kimmer, she just couldn’t help embellishing things a bit, highlighting her successes and ignoring her failings, amplifying it more and more, becoming more extreme over time, as it began to attract some attention. Gradually, the gap between her words and her actions widened, as she could not follow through with her knowledge and intentions, but could not allow herself to back down and admit it, either.

She may have done what many of us have done —- promised herself to get back on track tomorrow, next week, next month, try to be extra strict to make up for it, only to give in to her old ways again. Her real life wasn’t working for her at all — but online she could be the best possible version of herself, everything she every dreamed of, until perhaps she came to believe it herself. The attention and approbation were too addicting.

At some point, it seems, delusion reigned supreme, and there was no backing down. As her claims became more grandiose and her polarizing presence began to dominate and draw heat more and more at the LCF forum, another member, Catherine, approached her with the idea of an ebook and a website to sell it. (Read more here.) I think it was the brass ring, the golden goose, and Kimmer/Heidi grabbed at the opportunity for . Once that thought was there, I do believe Kimmer purposely aggravated her enemies and gathered her fans even more, setting the stage for her big exit. Soon, ‘Kimmer’ flounced off in a huff, and Kimkins.com was launched as a partnership between Heidi Diaz, supposed diet guru and Catherine McDonald, tech expert.

In the early days of the Kimkins website, Kimmer seemed to have it all — a successful diet plan, satisfied customers who were easy to please, low overhead, and a competent business partner who made her ideas work. Her departure from LCF calmed down hostilities quite a bit all around, and Kimmer was left to operate her own site in her own little corner of the internet with little interference. If she had made the right moves then, Heidi/Kimmer might possibly have been able to continue on course to a legitimate business success for quite some time to come. However, because Kimmer at her core is a fraud, it was inevitable that any enterprise built on that basis would soon begin to crumble.

Kimmer was not only a fraud in her own personal claims of large, rapid weight loss, but she soon began building the business of Kimkins around fraud at virtually every level — member service, marketing, and management.

~ Fraudulent Member Service: She lied to her members about the safety and efficacy of her diet plans, leading them to believe her plans were safely based on the recognized plans of doctors such as Dr. Atkins and Dr. Stillman, while continuing to push them ever farther away from the cautions and sensible limits of those plans. She assured members it was safe, because, after all, it had worked so well for her, or so she said. She also began to be less and less available to members, despite her promised member benefit of ‘personal coaching‘. She ignored or gave inadequate and misleading answers to valid member concerns. This was because she apparently preferred to spend her energies on marketing, to keep new paying customers coming in the front door while leaving the members mostly on their own to look out for one another.

~ Fraudulent Marketing: In her marketing campaign, she lied to prospective members by spamming Craigslist with fake listings to plug Kimkins, by posting phony ‘articles’ and answers and numerous blogs for Kimkins all over the internet under various names, by promoting Kimkins with false implied celebrity endorsements specifically to target teens, and primarily by posting numerous fraudulent ’success’ stories with ‘lifted’ and photoshopped ‘before’ and ‘after’ pictures. She also made numerous claims she had no proof of or right to make, in violation of FTC regulations.

~ Fraudulent Management: Heidi/Kimmer entered into partnership with Catherine originally under false pretenses, and continued to lie to her about many things, including the source of the ‘success stories‘. It also appears that Heidi skimmed a certain part of the gross proceeds from the partnership before profits were split, by funneling income to supposed affiliate accounts which actually led back to her. It is unclear whether proper legal or tax filings were ever made, though it does not appear they were.

In matters big and small, every bit of the Kimkins enterprise was fraught with deception. It was bound to catch up to her sooner or later.

Before too long, Catherine began to have concerns about Heidi’s integrity, and backed out of the partnership. At this point, Kimmer claims to have brought in 4 other partners to finance Catherine’s buyout, but this is highly doubtful. For one thing, one of the partners she claims to have brought in at that time is Heidi Diaz, but photographic and written evidence clearly shows that Kimmer herself is Heidi Diaz. (For example, Kimmer has always acknowledged that Catherine was her partner in the beginning, and Catherine signed the original partnership agreement with Heidi Diaz.) Other names mentioned as possible ‘partners’ include Dennis Sharp (her son), Vanessa Sharp and/or Romero (Vanessa Romero is her niece), Nicki or Nikki Sharp, and Tish Diaz. It is extremely unlikely that these relatives are actually working, decision-making partners as Kimmer leads people to believe. It is possible they put up some money so Heidi could buy out Catherine; it is possible she got money from them under some other pretext; it is very possible they know little or nothing, and she is just using their names to seem like a larger and more legitimate enterprise. Nicki and later Vanessa disappeared from the “Meet Your Team’ roster some time ago, so it is possible they were based on actual people who became aware of the use of their identities, and protested it.

I have seen various things supposedly ‘written’ by some of those names and now Brad Johnson. To me. they all have the same unmistakable writing style, and are all almost surely written by Heidi herself, who freely admits to writing frequently under various male and female names. No one has ever spoken or communicated with any of them, except through Kimmer, and she trotted out the same excuses over and over as to why they were not available. (Usually they were ‘called out of town to deal with a sick father’.) Kimmer herself often spoke to me of doing all affiliate payouts and answering affiliate questions, even though she supposedly had an affiliate manager. These ‘partners’ were probably a construct that Kimmer used to pass blame, as when criticizing someone (’the partners don’t think they are getting their money’s worth’) or floating unpopular ideas (’the partners are pressing to make the fees monthly vs. lifetime membership’, which she brought up to me several times), as well as to provide other ‘identities’ under which to hide income.

In fact, there is no good reason to assume that the entity of Kimkins is anything other than Heidi Diaz sitting at her computer pumping out fraudulent marketing and picking up funds from Paypal and the mailbox, with a tech guy or two working remotely and unaware of the real situation, and paid and unpaid admins and members doing the heavy lifting on the site.

The best of businesses, with a solid business plan and an experienced team of managers would have been hard pressed to absorb the massive explosion of growth that occurred with the Woman’s World magazine feature. Kimmer only had forum helpers with very little knowledge of the true nature of the business; after all, she could not afford to bring anyone into her confidence, because she had too many secrets to hide. So, Heidi was suddenly way out of her league. She was gleeful at the funds rolling in, and foolishly thought she could continue to get away with the same type of scamming indefinitely. She was even in contact with Star magazine for another feature. Who knows? Maybe she even thought she could lose the weight, go legit, and make it work. However, her newfound success soon began to cave in on her.

Once thousands of new members hit the site and began trying to understand and apply the diet, the pressure was too heavy and all the cracks in the foundation soon began to appear. Without the personal mentoring and reinterpretation of the diets that new members had received before, the flaws and gaps in Heidi’s business soon became very evident. Many of those coming in with fresh eyes clearly saw the disparity between what was promised and what was delivered. Many clearly saw the dangers of the diet plans, all of them. Of the 40,000 or more who joined, most never even tried the diet once they actually saw it, and many who did try it did not stick with it long. Meanwhile, all the massive attention the diet was receiving reignited the souldering controversy that she thought she had left behind at LCF. However, Heidi did have two things working in her favor: the misplaced support of people like me who encouraged new members to stick with it, and the absolute sheer desperation of overweight people who had almost given up hope. For my own blindness and supporting role in it, I am sick-to-my-stomach sorry, and beg forgiveness.

At this time, Heidi seemed manic with delight over the income rolling in, and eager to spin off new ventures – more magazine and media features, merchandise, and related enterprises like the nutrition business she offered me. She could hardly be bothered with member support or complaints, and brushed off all concerns as something irrelevant, hardly worthy of her attention, even as worrisome side effects and evidences of her dishonesty mounted. Thus, the round of emails I pressed on her, with the results that we admins began to leave and express our concerns and experiences.

Our exits and warnings further precipitated a rash of blockings and bannings, as other members took up the banner and began speaking out. The business of Kimkins is now woefully in breech of the terms of their agreement with their members, who paid for lifetime membership in a healthy and safe diet followed by a woman who lost 198 lbs in 11 months and maintained it, only to be booted without warning when they complained that the diet was unsafe and the owner’s story was a lie. Members have had ‘privileges’ like private messaging and blog links in their signatures revoked, have been flamed and harangued mercilessly for any hint of breaking ranks,and have been banned without warning, redress, or refund on the vaguest pretext of ‘violation of Terms of Service’, which, like the diet plans and disclaimers, are an ever-moving target, conveniently changed after the fact.

Kimmer had it all — a million dollar website, a great staff, great member loyalty, and great future prospects. And due to great greed, arrogance, and dishonesty she threw it away.

Kimmer is now behaving like a rat backed into a corner, biting and snarling, while looking for a way of to escape unscathed. She is starting to meltdown, trying to cover her tracks and salvage what she can, leaving more of the running of things in the hands of unqualified admins. Perhaps she still thinks she can pull it off, or perhaps she is making her exit plans. As she continues to overestimate herself and underestimate her opponents, she will find, once again, that she has made a grave mistake in waiting too long.

Kimmer is a dangerous fraud, and the business of Kimkins is a dangerous fraud.

Both need to be stopped, and the sooner, the better.

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September 27, 2007 at 7:47 pm

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September 27, 2007 at 7:50 pm

Mimi

A note about the timeline … correct me if I’m wrong, but from all the digging that’s been done, Kimkins.com was set up BEFORE Heidi left LCF.

She had found LCF fertile ground for cultivating a crop of victims, but couldn’t harvest them until (according to the CreditBoard) her bankruptcy and other liens had “timed off.”

In the meantime, she was getting the website ready. When the time-off date had passed, that’s when she left LCF and started charging money for memberships.

This is, to the best of my knowledge, the REAL timeline.

September 27, 2007 at 8:01 pm

Celebrity » Becky Continues

[…] admin wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptKimmer first gave out her brand of diet advice (as well as hair care and skin care tips) for years on Low Carb Friends, which garnered both followers and foes. I am not sure when the idea of her own site first began in her mind, … […]

September 27, 2007 at 8:10 pm

Becky/Littlebit

I believe that Kimkins.com as a domain name was registered in April. 2006, the big flail-up happened in late May or early June, with site launch very shortly after.

Catherine or Martin would know more.

September 27, 2007 at 8:21 pm

Mimi

Yes I’m confusing registration of the domain, with opening the board. What I mean is, basically, she was laying the groundwork for the board, preparing, and building up to her dramatic exit from LCF.

As one of the other commenters has stated elsewhere, Heidi isn’t mentally ill — she’s simply evil, and she knows exactly what she’s doing. She’s fully aware of her intentions and her actions, fully capable of outcome-based behaviors.

September 27, 2007 at 9:54 pm

Tam (Kimkins refugee)

Becky (assuming you come back to this blog), after the WW article, was it ever *confirmed* that over 35,000 new members actually paid the life-time membership fee? Confirmed by anyone other than Kimmer, I should say. Did you have access to those types of figures, names and numbers?

I was a member there at the time and, yes, it was mind-boggling with the flood of new members, but close to 40,000? I’ve always had trouble believing that figure. If that’s really the case, the vast majority of them obviously didn’t stick around to post in the forums.

Don’t get me wrong. I don’t doubt YOU, Becky. But I can see how Kimmer would exaggerate the numbers just, as you said, “to seem like a larger and more legitimate enterprise.”

If the 40,000 figure is anywhere close to accurate … where are all these people? Those of us protesting here, at ALC, LCF, etc. are just the tip of the iceberg.

September 27, 2007 at 10:19 pm

Princess Dieter

It would be interesting to know when Kimmer-Heidi’s son turned legal age. Maybe THAT is what she was waiting for, since she put the site under his name. If the son turned 18 Spring of 2006, that would definitely put the motivation there…

(Can a 17 yeard old have a site registered under their name? I have no idea.)

And I totally believe she’d be going to LCF to gather her following before heading off.

The Princess

September 27, 2007 at 10:45 pm

antikimkins

Kimmer certainly doesn’t appear to be a millionaire, in fact, she still seems to have money problems. I wonder out of the thousands who joined after the WW article, how many requested refunds within that 24 hour block?

September 27, 2007 at 11:20 pm

Becky/Littlebit

Kimmer canceled the 24- hour refund policy prior to the magazine feature. She did give out some refunds from those who joined and cited kidney problems or other medical concerns, once they saw the diet, but very few.

I cannot prove those figures are accurate, but i would not be at all surprised if the membership numbers are not actually higher now.

I know how busy i was. I saw the posts rolling through there. At one time, I had access to member service emails, and she was getting literally thousands of emails a day. I was getting scores of PMs, as were many others. We had thousands online at a time, and hundreds posting intros and joining new challenges every day.

She also became suddenly very elated, and became much more willing to pay for help.

I imagine many signed up, looked at the diets, and left quickly, chalking it up to an expensive lesson learned. Most were not a typical online crowd. Quite a few lurked, but did not post. Many posted, but have dropped out now. Many have gotten banned, or cowed into silence. Still, they paid, and she kept the money.

She only took the membership and online numbers down when she began drawing too much fire from LCF, Slamboard, etc. I believe she wanted to reduce speculation into her gross profits once people started doing the math.

I have heard people say that they would look online and not see many people there back then. Perhaps they were not looking in the right places, because that was not at all the case then. The way the site was set up, the number reflected on a forum index page did not reflect the number actually viewing threads within that particular forum, but only the number of people looking at that index page at the time. You would have to open each thread to get a full count.

Only she knows for sure what her full intake was, but I have reason to believe it was quite high.

She told me she had only put back into the business what was absolutely necessary, and had the rest invested at a 10% rate of return. Who knows if that is true?

I do not believe she planned this out years in advance. I think she posted at LCF first for ego and power, and only later for money. I just don’t see her as someone who can sustain hard work for long without some kind of a payoff, but rather as an opportunist. I could be wrong. Time will tell.

September 28, 2007 at 2:04 am

Tam (Kimkins refugee)

Thank you, Becky, for that insight. I guess I’ve been hoping for lower numbers because that would mean fewer people were scammed, but it looks like she really was/is raking in the big bucks. Thanks again.

September 28, 2007 at 2:47 am

Dottie

Becky that’s very insightful. I also do not think that this giant “venture” was on her mind when she started out on LCF. Looking back on when she left, I really think she was planning on just getting $$ out of maybe a couple of dozen of her “fans” off LCF, then shutting the site down due to lack of funds (or hitting the members up for more $$ to “run” it).
I don’t really think she had any idea that it would take off in the big way that it did.

September 28, 2007 at 7:15 am

Princess Dieter

I totally believe there was a windfall from WW. That kind of coverage is sure to do that.

And I’m sure H/K knew to keep the money inflow quiet and the lifestyle discreet so as to keep all sorts off her back. Spending oodles would have drawn attention, I think. There is also the miser phenomenon where accumulating the money is the kick, not spending it. In fact, spending it reduces the pleasure of actually having a hoard.

Even if it’s half the reported 40K, that’s a lot of mookah going mostly to ONE woman who is hardly accountable. She got the Paypal and the checks. Why should she be truthful about how much when she’s not truthful about the rest?

And if she can offer Christian a car, then 100K for an Oprah brass ring, trust me, that means she had to have a nice, tidy reserve.

It would only have taken 10K members after WW to get 600K. And if that’s not reported or paid taxes on, that’s a nice chunk for any “disabled” person on government dole.

Didn’t someone say that the son bragged mom had a million in Paypal? (Can’t verify where that came from. Just remember reading it.)

The Princess

September 28, 2007 at 8:31 am

Sherrie

I think you’re right Becky.

September 30, 2007 at 8:12 pm

Peaches12

Why did all the admin. wait until the same time to quit. If you knew the diet was dangerous why did you continue to state otherwise, was it just the money that kept you going. I’m so confused, I continue to do Kimkins but with a higher fat intake since my body stalled and the increase intake helped it to lose quicker. How could so many been individual’s lifes have been put in jeopardy for merely a paycheck. Can you answer that, Becky?





Kimkins is Toxic

26 09 2007

The Kimkins forums can only, at this point in time, be called toxic.

Last night’s display of unbridled rage underscored the growing anger Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) feels as the truth is seeping out for all to see. In what many speculate was a drunken tear by Kimmer, under the guise of a new user name, members were given front row seats to really see how the once supportive forum is damaged beyond repair, how the environment reeks with hate toward anyone speaking the truth, including those members who remain within the site.

Members who paid for membership, who paid for access, who paid for a supportive environment online are finding themselves in the crosshairs; targets to be attacked at any hint they question the plans, the founder or their own experience within the forums. Members asking questions or offering up suggestions for improvement are quickly derided, dismissed and declared unworthy to be among the true believers, told to leave and go elsewhere if they won’t behave and blindly regurgitate the party-line.

When a member asked about calorie limits, Wonderwoman replied,

What limits? What are you talking about? Why not call your doctor if you’re so scared? Or if you’re not doing Kimkins then go away?

My cousin had RouxY gastric reconstruction for obesity and she ate less than anybody here. What’s the danger? What are you afraid of? If you do Weight Watchers with frozen tv dinners you’re healthy? Aren’t they loaded to the gills with carbs? Yeah. Nutritious.

When another member openly suggested a listing of potential health risks and side effects for new members, after reading Deni’s blog entry, her intentions were questioned by admin tarvosK,

I would like to ask the original poster what the purpose of posting this blog entry was? Is there some reason for posting yet more negativity about the plan?

Did this person have success on the plan? It appears so and then they left for whatever reason, as is their right. However I have to wonder about people that involve themselves in something like KK and then when they have gotten the results they wanted, go running off and start bashing it to the rest of the world. It seems to me that there is just something very odd about that, but then I have never been one to really follow the pack that much anyway, so I won’t be running off anywhere to tell people how evil and life threatening this plan is.

Notice tarvosK avoids the issue, potential health risks, and focuses back to fast weight loss as ideal and suggests those who have fled the site and are speaking out have alterior motives, according to him, there is no danger with Kimkins diet plans.

When yet another member dared to suggest posting potential side effects for new members to read and understand, admin Tippytoes stepped to admonish her with,

I am curious since I see you posting the possibility of negativity and doubt across the boards today… What does YOUR Doctor think?

Another member had the audacity to ask about carbohydrate intake after attending a class on nutrition, being told women require 100 grams of carbohydrate each day. Rather than explain gluconeogenesis or point her to articles about meeting glucose requirements while following a low carb diet, she was told by Wonderwoman,

If you’re in danger from not eating carbs, shouldn’t be you at the emergency room? On life support? Or crawling along in weight loss because you really wanted to add carbs and have given yourself permission under a self induced guise? Sign up for the group “yeah I did Kimkins and didn’t lose”.

These examples, and others we could provide, clearly highlight how dysfunctional the site now. Such abuse of members is not only tolerated, but expected; not only from admins, but between member to member.

It is a place where only those emotionally damaged souls really want to stay and want to remain so they can continue to feed on the punishment.

No emotionally healthy person will tolerate such abuse daily, nor willingly continue to remain so they can witness such abuse directed at others. Within Kimkins there is an illness, a sickness so prevalent and contagious, so toxic; an emotional dysfunction so damaging it makes the diet plans look sane.





Three Admins Step Up With Dangerous Advice

26 09 2007

What do you get when you combine one confused newbie and three Kimkins admins?

Dangerous advice that may be fatal.

New Kimkins Member
Subject: Frustrated I need help!!

Okie dokie…
well, I know this is my fault, but my weight is going wacky this week. I was 174 on monday and have gone up and down every day between there and 178?!? is this normal? I have usually only been weighing once a week, because when I first started I was going a little crazy with the scale.
Anyhow, I have been very naughty (mostly because I’m caught up in other things) and I’ve not been entering my food into fitday. Shame on me, I know. I HAVE to do this. I feel like it keeps me more honest. (But I dont’ cheat, just have a tendency to overdo with the “extras” like cheese & jello)

ALSO- I’ve been having massive muscle cramps in my legs? I drink at least 2literes of water a day… and I take vitamins, so I dunno what’s up? Do other people get this? My dis-approving family tells me it’s my “diet”

Last- I have been doing well on kimkins. Better than anything my whole life!! But I am constantly being berated by family members and friends that say the way I’m eating is not healthy and it’s too drastic and I’m just going to “get fat again” They even go to the lengths of cutting out magazine articles and printing out things to “prove” to me that what I’m doing is wrong and unhealthy. This is really starting to drag me down and I’m wondering if in fact that has something to do with my wacko weight?

Thanks so much!!

SingingLass (admin and self-professed psychic) replies:

Lots of things can cause little scale hops anywhere in a five pound range or so….water retention, undigested/ expelled food, water intake, TOM…ya name it. I try not to worry about it when I see it, because it always corrects itself out in a day or two, especially if it is water retention or TOM.

You may want to try taking an additional potassium supplement for the leg cramps….when someone non-low carb dieting gets them, it often is prescribed to eat bannas for the potassium. Of course, if it continues to happen, consult your doctor.

I think we all have gone through the ropes of those who are not fully educated on low carb eating etc…and remind yourself that you have done much more research on this then any of them have, and thus can better decide what is healthy for you and what is not. Sometimes other people who do not have the courage, strength, whatever…to dedicate themselves to this kind of WOE and change for their ownselves, try to make themselves feel better by pulling those back/ putting down others who are making that effort. I know that sounds bad, but it is something many people have reported unfortunate incidents of. Hold your chin up sweetie, only you can decide what is best for you.

Next at bat, TippyToes (admin) replies:

In general dieting shifts our water balances and can cause the leg cramping. I take a calcium/magnesium supplement and it does the trick.

Sorry you are yo-yoing for the moment. I must say the one food that causes this for me is the beloved cheese. Try a few days without it and see if it cures the problem.

And then it’s Kimmer’s turn (admin and Heidi Diaz) to reply too, dragging a former admin into it:

KimATC recommends calcium & magnesium supplements for leg cramps. You can read more in the Work Out Zone forum.

Of course the only person who can advise you medically is your doctor — and many people still think you “need” carbs — so why not fax your doctor a copy of the Kimkins diet and ask what he thinks? Many Kimkins members have gotten the “thumbs up” from their docs and are on their way to staving off (or controlling) diabetes.

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Note, none of the above admins are medical professionals or qualified to provide nutrition or supplement advice.

No warning was provided to this new member that potassium supplementation itself can be fatal if not done properly.

No one warned her that her leg cramps may be a warning sign of electrlyte imbalance, a potentially fatal condition if not resolved.





Christin: Kimkins was “wrong way” to lose weight

25 09 2007

In a no holds barred reversal of her previous interview at Weight Loss Tips, Christin has clearly articulated her misgivings about the Kimkins diet and warns others not to follow the very low calorie regiment if they value their long-term health.

Weight loss is about health, not speed. If I had it to do over again, I know now that while quick weight loss is desirable and attractive, it is not necessarily the best for my body.”

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The TRUTH Outs Admins at Kimkins

18 09 2007

Just moments ago ‘the TRUTH’, who comments across many blogs and recently launched their own blog, released confidential admin forum communications on their blog. Hat tip to theTRUTH!

We wonder if Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) recognizes the inside source leaking this information out? These communications are, after all, in a hidden forum area only accessible to admins!

Sept. 5

From Kimmer:

Handling Forum Posts/Questions
First, I want to thank everyone for their time and your kindness to help out on Kimkins forums. I don’t have to tell you that our strongest asset is our members — including all of you!

I might bear mentioning that our main goal at Kimkins is to help people lose weight. This isn’t always by offering food choice advice, but encouraging and suggesting choices — which all of you do.

Any questions of a medical nature can have a general reply or your own personal experience, but they should be encouraged to ask their doctor. I don’t think any of us are doctors, no doctor would diagnose over the internet anyway. I understand they are hesitant to go to the doctor or may have financial problems, but we’re not medical experts.

As you’ve probably read in forums I don’t like negativity threads. Not that there’s anything wrong with venting, but their tone spreads quickly and distracts from the work we’re doing here. Negativity & weight loss don’t mix and can affect your whole day (think of the last time you had an argument with a spouse or coworker).

There’s a ton of places they can go to complain about me, I’d rather it not be here.

Again, thanks everyone, I really appreciate your help. I’m a bit behind with no computer for a week, but I’m working hard to get caught up. If anyone has more questions or wants to add anything, feel free!

K.

Sept., 6
From TippyToes

Re:Handling Forum Posts/Questions
I agree. The time we are spending hunting out the nay sayers is time we could have spent helping people. If any of you admins see negative posting, by all means delete it even if you have to delete the entire thread. And report the person who posted the offense to Kimmer right away, please. We are going to start banning with no refund. Because we are a paid site, I doubt too many will pay $ to come back just to cause trouble. Thanks again, everyone. This too shall pass…

From AdminXXX (Name removed because Admin has since resigned. Had too much sense I guess…)
Re:Handling Forum Posts/Questions
Wow, that’s a big step. I hope there was something in the terms of service that reserves the right to do that (or to change the terms of service). If not, that could create some kind of legal issue (or at least very hard feelings), since people are paying for lifetime memberships.

May I suggest:
– setting some very, very specific guidelines on what is and isn’t appropriate.
– setting a specific banning procedure, including a set of warnings
– making absolutely certain that everybody is informed about the guidelines and the banning procedure

Sept. 11
From SingingLass:
Something I felt i should make a note on…..is we should pay attention to questions in certain areas right now. Primarily questions in the fields the other sites are trying to claim as a negative of this plan right now…..such as calories, laxitives, children and the like. I do read the other stuff occassionally, I am not affected by it, but like to just keep tabs a bit on what is going on…..and one of the things I have seen is people wanting to try to manifest dirt—-so a harmless seeming question about how low they can go with calories or laxatives could potentially be a setup to try to get a response they can use somehow. I may sound paranoid, but I think it is a very real issue right now that should be considered in our responses….I personally am trying to be “safe” in my responses, refer to the reading, eating when hungry, and of course to check with doctor.

For instance, there is a thread in newbie forum right now “fat grams”…..of someone wanting to do the diet with nothing but shakes, and it just struck me a little odd on how they keep asking the same questions over and over about how low calories can go ignoring the responses……and got really aggressive towards me in my response. They seem to be looking for an exact number or an answer that says there is no limit to how low they can go. Again, this could be me being paranoid….but is an example of being alert to odd questions or behaviors.

From Kimmer:
Delaney, good point. Yes, they’re out … looking for anything that can be twisted or taken out of context. Hard to believe this is how some people actually spend their day.

90 pounds! Wow!

Sept. 14
From TippyToes:
Singing lass, you are one smart cookie! They won’t be tricking you. I too am keeping tabs on things over there. I feel we can use them for improvements to the site here. In a very odd way, we can use the negatives in a positive way.

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September 18, 2007 at 8:38 pm

La Mesa

I can’t believe what a scum bag tippy toes is….’ths too shall pass’ what a pathetic excuse for a human being to partner up with heidi the devil!

September 18, 2007 at 8:40 pm

La Mesa

Again..Tippy toes…just as evil as heidi!

September 18, 2007 at 8:42 pm

LastLCer

ROFLMAO, Tippy sure thinks she’s smarter than the average bear…NOT!

September 18, 2007 at 8:43 pm

Swinging Higher

Are you planning to do an expose on the remaining admins any time soon?

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The other admins profiles are in progress at the moment. We encourage those reading here to share any pertinent information in the comments and include “DO NOT POST” at the start if they wish the information to be confidential and anonymous.

September 18, 2007 at 8:43 pm

Barb

I love how they think they don’t have to refund money to people who get banned for NO REASON! You’ll find out you do! TT obviously is of the same calibur as that BIG FAT LIAR Heidi Diaz!

September 18, 2007 at 8:43 pm

ROFL

I had no clue there was a private admin forum over there. That they’re actually discussing how to ban members without refunds is sick.

September 18, 2007 at 8:45 pm

Josh

Just when you think nothing will surprise you, you’re surprised. I’m sure the admin who left — the only one with any common sense obviously — wishes they’d never been involved with this whole thing. This all is so disgusting to see. People can be really cruel to each other, can’t they?

September 18, 2007 at 8:55 pm

Terri

Disgusting!

September 18, 2007 at 9:00 pm

Kim

IMO they sound paranoid. Just trying to get the bad stuff off asap so they can continue to rope in newbies.

September 18, 2007 at 9:01 pm

Mir

I hope someone has the original TOS from when the mass of people signed up. I suspect that lots of fiddling will go on. If lifetime membership was not limited by the membership agreement–ie, if it didn’t say you could be banned sans refund for being “negative”–then I don’t see how they have the justification. You can’t run a site on the whims of teh dictator. There have to be standards and rules and people have to be able to know that the rules are stable, not changing according to She-Stalin’s whims.

She would have been much smarter allowing ONE “vent and ask” thread and let her henchwomen handle it on an ongoing basis. Heck, hire someone, use some of that 2 millions bucks, and let them be the vent-hostess.

When you let people talk and vent, you at least seem like a civilized, democratic person.

When you summarily delete and banish, well, you show your true colors.

Did the original agreement demand members never say anything critical of Heidi-Liedy? Did it say no negative comments on the forums? If not, then how can they use that as justificaton for banishment and censorship?

M.

September 18, 2007 at 9:11 pm

OddManOut

[i]Sept., 6
From TippyToes[/i]

Sooo. Tippy Toes was an admin days before she was officially announced? Interesting.

September 18, 2007 at 9:13 pm

Joey

They’ve got some balls, that’s for sure!

September 18, 2007 at 9:17 pm

too bad kimmer

Does this mean that “Pants on Fire” violated the TOS of the BBB by posting as an employee of Kimkins?

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It does indeed appear that Tippy Toes did violate the rules of the BBB for reviewing a company when she did so while an employee/admin.

September 18, 2007 at 9:30 pm

ixtapacheryl

Doesn’t surprise me in the least! I’m just shocked that they are all so cavalier towards their paying members. Don’t kid yourself – they could care less about any of their members losing weight or keeping it off. All they’re worried about is the negativity that is circling inside the KK site and eradicating it as soon as they can spot it. None of them want to deal with reality – it’s easier to ban and ignore.

Different day – same story!

September 18, 2007 at 9:51 pm

theTRUTH

Gee. If it is only accessible to Admins, how did I get at it?

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Ducky’ll never tell!

September 18, 2007 at 10:04 pm

Stiff

As for terms of service, this looks new to me:

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The Kimkins Program is provided in electronic media and as such cannot be returned for refund once purchased and accessed. Members may not harass, annoy, badger, bully or act in an offensive manner to other members or administration. Violators will have their accounts canceled and no refund given.

This website comprises various websites and pages operated by Kimkins.com and the information contained therein (together, the “website”). Certain sections of the website may contain separate terms and conditions, which are in addition to this agreement. You should read those additional terms and conditions carefully. By accessing such sections or pages, you agree to be bound by those additional terms and conditions. In the event of a conflict, those additional terms and conditions will govern your use of those sections or pages.
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Since when did it say accounts will be cancelled and no refunds given?

And where is this justified? What are her guidelines for being offensive? Some specifics would be nice.
The Anonymous Admin definitely said it well.

September 18, 2007 at 10:14 pm

WOW

Tippy…you really got alot on the ball don’t you.

Your’e gonna need all the “positives” you can get to get you out of this mess LOL.

September 18, 2007 at 10:18 pm

Leslie

Kimmer has a big problem.

She has an admin within her trusted circle betraying her.

What will she do next?

Will she fire them all?

How will she really know which one it is?

They’ll all deny it was them, but one will be lying!

I know who the TRUTH is, but I’m not telling!

September 18, 2007 at 10:19 pm

WOW

It’s quite the racket over there eh???

Take their money and ban them….and none of the new sign ups will know a thing about it until they themselves question whats going on….then they in turn will suffer the same fate…..

It’s a renewing resource…a money generating scam.

September 18, 2007 at 10:28 pm

RayOfFriknSunshine

Curious as I am to know who the Truth is, I hope s/he isn’t outed. Keep it up, whoever you are!

September 18, 2007 at 10:37 pm

MariaM

TRUTH should use his contact to do a global email to everyone in the kimkins database, complete with a history of everything going on and links to all these blogs so members who don’t wander around much get to see what’s going on!

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Kimmer may be the only one with privleges to do such a mass emailing, but with the mass emailing today of the email-ebook-advertisement, it’s obvious such a mailing is possible.

We really like your idea and hope theTRUTH sees it and takes action on it if possible, it’s simply duckilicious!

September 18, 2007 at 10:40 pm

Mimi

uhm… don’t you mean “withIN” her trusted circle? At any rate, the paranoia is delicious ain’t it … who is it, Heidi? who is the mongoose scampering around there in the snakepit?

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Good catch, we edited it for them!

September 19, 2007 at 12:24 am

ixtapacheryl

Mimi: Don’t you mean Meerkat ….. On it’s hind legs always on the look-out …..

September 19, 2007 at 1:01 am

Selenabj

Well isn’t Tippy Toes just a vile piece of vermin. Who does that little idiot think she is?? Her psychological profile would probably be that of a poor homely little fat girl who had self esteem issues. Now, the Great and Powerful OZ comes to use her and she is basking in the glory of her greatness. Get real Miss Tippy. You are not powerful. You are a nothing among a group of nothings. I love this mentality- “hey SL, you are one smart cookie . THEY won’t be tricking you… ” oh yeah Miss Tippy?
When you come crawling back to your old forum, begging people to understand what a fool you were, I hope they turn their backs on you.

And then Big Kimmer makes her profound statement-
“Hard to believe this is how some people actually spend their day.”
Funny, that is exactly what I was thinking about you!!
Can anyone say POND SCUM??

September 19, 2007 at 1:51 am

Mimi

PS to Duckie and Leslie — I wasn’t criticizing or laughing at the typo … just wanted to add my two cents to the amusement re Heidi being unable — truly unable — to trust even those in her inner circle.

The thing is, she seems either unable or unwilling to “get” that the reason she can’t trust “friends” or enemies is her own fault.

September 19, 2007 at 3:28 am

Mimi

Mongoose. Snake’s worst enemy. Besides Ducks of course 🙂

September 19, 2007 at 4:58 am

count padunkadunk

Tippy how sad that you do not see what you have become. Maybe you have always been this way and I am just now seeing.

September 19, 2007 at 1:36 pm

Kim

Well, I was banned w/o a refund and didn’t post anything negative. I got banned for the BBB complaint so she still has some revising to do to get it right. Oh wait! If you sign up, the TOS is what it is when you sign up, not what she changes it to daily to cover her @$$. That’s like business law 101…and the lesson that we were all taught when we were 2 by our parents…you can’t change the rules after the game starts. Maybe Heidi was raised by wolves and never learned those lessons…it would explain a lot don’t you think?

September 20, 2007 at 3:05 am

Got my hip boots on

If you wanna see some real vileness you all should maybe look in the mirror and see the snarly wild-eyed hounds you have become. This isn’t about saving people, it’s about getting your rocks off hunting someone down. Pretty obvious to those of us who are still sane.





Kimkins Dangers Reachs Out…

17 09 2007

On Saturday, Kimkins Dangers reached out in a post to current staff, admins and members. It is an open letter worth repeating!

Dear Kimkins Staff, Forum Admins, Affiliates and Members,

Much has happened to Kimkins over the course of the last month, none of it good. Many loved and well respected members have fled the scene, Becky, Christin and Deni among them. All of them had their reasons and many of their reasons were the same. Please click on each name to read their own accounts of their time at Kimkins. Really. Read them. These are the stories of three women who had cheered for Kimmer and Kimkins for a long time. They had promoted the diet to their friends and others. They worked very closely with Kimmer to forge the foundations of the plan that you are now following and promoting to others. You need to understand why they left. They are not “haters”. They are not “jealous”. They are not Kimmer’s ex-business partner (and neither are we, fyi.). They truly believed in Kimkins and in Kimmer and you owe it to yourself to find out why they changed their minds.

In case you haven’t noticed, there has been a mass exodus of Kimkins members recently. Some of them voluntary, but many were banned for airing their opinions or asking questions that were uncomfortable for Kimmer. They are also not haters, nor are they jealous. They were paid, lifetime members that had concerns that Kimmer would not answer. They wanted to know, from Kimmer’s own words, if the bloggers and forum posts about Kimkins were true. They wanted to know if those pictures posted on slamboard really are of Kimmer now. They just wanted to know. Instead of answers, they were banned from accessing the site that they paid for. Why is that?

One of the new admins is now posting stories that this entire mess was begun by Catherine, Kimmer’s ex-business partner. We assure you that is not the case. We do not know Catherine, have never exchanged a single email with her or have had any contact with her at all. We know of her story, but that is it. We here at Kimkins Dangers are not jealous and we are not haters.

We are very worried about everyone that is on the Kimkins diet plans. We are worried about your health first and foremost, for even though you may not believe that the diet can be dangerous, there is ample information that says otherwise. Information that comes not from personal experience, though that is also available, but from medical studies, peer reviewed case histories and the like. Real, factual, honest evidence, not supposition and opinion.

We are also concerned for those Kimkins members, staff, admins and affiliates for the possible legal liability that they may soon face. The lawyer that is spearheading the class action lawsuit has now confirmed his involvement and has been sent reams of information and evidence pertaining to the Kimkins website, it’s owner and it’s staff.

We know that the California Office of the Foster Care Ombudsman is actively investigating the situation, specifically as it pertains to Heidi’s claims of foster children in her care and the subsequent fundraiser that ensued. The same member that began that fundraiser is now asking other members to partake in yet another fundraiser, though this time for diabetes, allegedly.

Other agencies, local, state and federal are likely to become involved in the near future. This again is not simply opinion, we state this as fact. We will not say anything more on this at this particular time to protect the parties involved and the work that is being done. But be assured, the work IS being done.

If you have been contemplating leaving the sinking ship that is Kimkins, now would be the time. We have read all of the excuses, the ones that say that it does not matter if Kimmer weighs 300 pounds or more, the ones that say it doesn’t matter if she’s lied about this, that or any other thing, the ones that insist the diet is safe and healthy, even the ones that say they aren’t doing the diet, but want to remain for the friendship and camaraderie of the forums. Whatever the reason, understand that the window of opportunity is closing and the time to leave is now.

It matters greatly that Kimmer weighs 300 pounds or more. She sold her plan based on her own claims of having lost 198 pounds in 11 months. This was not true. False claims have crippled companies much larger than Kimkins and they will bring Kimkins to it’s knees as well.

It matters greatly that Kimmer has lied about this, that and the other thing. The list of her lies is very long and growing every day. Integrity is something you should place a very high value on, not eschew in favor of a “quick fix” to your weight issue.

For those who are simply staying for the friendship and the forums, there are many other places you can go where you will be welcomed and supported, yes, even LCF. Active-LowCarber forums, Jimmy Moore’s forums, Amy/Curlygirl’s website, etc., etc. Please consider joining one of these communities as you will find many other ex-kimkins members there as well.

When Kimmer states that there is nothing more dangerous than being overweight, understand that this is not true. Read the stories of those who have suffered health problems as a result of following Kimmer’s diet plans here. Read the medical evidence that shows clearly why diets such as Kimkins are truly dangerous, not only in the short term, but also in the long term. You may not have any symptoms right now, but continue along that dangerous path, and you will very likely end up far worse off than you are now. Please do your research. Your health is not worth wasting simply to lose weight faster.

Many people say “but the diet works for me!” Well, of course it does, for awhile. Anyone that doesn’t eat more than 500-800 calories a day will lose weight, for awhile. They will see the scale dropping quickly, for awhile. They will slowly begin to see other problems cropping up. Hair loss, amenorrhea, dizziness, fainting, heart palpitations and other symptoms of malnutrition and dangerously rapid weight loss. Crack cocaine makes people lose weight quickly too, but you wouldn’t use that, would you?

Please, consider the information that is presented all over the web. Read the blogs. Read the forums. Do the research and discovered for yourself the truth that you so desperately need to know. Open your eyes and you will see.

Please do it now before it’s too late.

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theTRUTH

Crack makes you lose weight quickly? Kimmer! What a great Idea! You can add a 6th option to Kimkins and make another boatload!

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September 18, 2007 at 6:03 pm

OddManOut

Have there been any responses from the current staff? I don’t expect them to speak out since they’re taking the lead from the boss herself, but there’s always a chance that one of them will break radio silence (and probably get banned haha).