Kimkins Members Attack Child on Kimkins Forum

7 09 2007

In an update following the dangerous advice to the 14 year old girl within the Kimkins website (clearly contrary to Heidi Diaz’s claim that teens are not allowed in her site), the teen posted that she’s doing better, eating more calories and seeking advice for health outside the Kimkins site. In what can only be described as a viscious attack on this child, members were quick to reply with the following, and keep in mind these are adults replying to a child,

OSusana: Glad you lost the weight on KIMKINS…. You didn’t LOSE iT eating bananas and bread, peanut butter and oatmeal…
You lost it following Kimkins…. Good for you…
We are here to lose weight just like you did…. DOING KIMKINS…. why on EARTH would we want to break away and go eat bananas
and all the other carbs that made us fat….?

Surley you jest…. pffftttt…

.o.. go eat your peanut butter and banana sandwiches….

Another adult, who appears to know this is a child, replies,

this topic you created called its NOT over…. we ADULTS know how to eat well and HOW to encorportate other types of food back in our lives in moderation, we also know how to see our medical doctor for any concerns and we adults know how to take our multi-vitamins daily.. It’s NOT about the food, its about how you live your LIFE. I am happy that you lost the weight and then created a plan that is good for YOU.

Kimmers way of eating has saved thousands if not millions of lives and WE LOVE KIMMER and protect her from people like YOU.

so please go about your merry way and take your ass on!

The thread has since been deleted, but email verifications of its existence and all posts made remain. Amazing how adults treated this child, isn’t it?

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September 7, 2007 at 3:53 pm

Kim

How could anybody do this to a child? Let alone a child who is obviously reaching out for help. My guess is, the 14 year old probably got banned too.

September 7, 2007 at 4:22 pm

kkatastrophediet

Yes and apparently I was banned over this thread for informing the obnoxious posters that it was a 14 year old–rethink your posts.
I also told the girl Congrats and she should start her own blog, with permission of course.
Definitely a reason to be banned from a site I PAID FOR. Thread’s gone but I have screen shots, so, it’s not forgotten…

September 7, 2007 at 4:26 pm

OddManOut

“Kimmers way of eating has saved thousands if not millions of lives and WE LOVE KIMMER and protect her from people like YOU.”

I’d like to see the statistics to back that claim. After they’re finished genuflecting.

September 7, 2007 at 4:26 pm

kkatastrophediet

And, another thing–the posters claimed not to know it was a 14 year old, and that she should let someone know. How about we do two things:
1) Don’t allow minors to remain members by refunding their money and blocking them AND
2) You posters (you know who you are) should not speak to anyone that way–what makes you think it is okay if it is a grown up? Open mouth insert FOOT.

September 8, 2007 at 7:26 pm

osuzana

My comment is THIS!

I made the comment to the poster, not knowing she was a 14 year old… HOW would anyone know that?

and Don’t you dare chastize me about how a person should address another adult on this issue… You all created this heat…at LCF
I have been to the LCF and read the horrible way peolpe over there referred to the people on the Kimkins web site…

We were “brainwashed” idiots who were drinking “the kool aid”
nice huh?

These are Outrageous statements, and there were many, many more..

My comments to this so called 14 year old were justified… after SHE made comments about how she lost the weight successfully while ON Kimkins,

and then turned around urging everyone to get out while we can… and then wondering if she would get banned because of it??

I was defending the web site and the plan…it works…she just admitted that!
And you bet, there are a lot of people on edge at that web site…so of course we will defend it, and since there was no way of knowing she was 14 we defended it as though she were any other of the adult moles in there spying stealing peoples posts, and spreading BAD AIR, and urging people to defect.

I simply told her to go eat her peanut butter and banana sandwiches, after SHE JUST GOT DONE BRAGGING in that very post that was WHAT SHE WAS eating! although not in that order…

I am so SICK of seeing half truths about this diet.
WE DON”T CARE ABOUT KIMMER…..we are there to lose weight, can’t you GET that?
I don’t want to have coffee with her, or see if she pays her taxes.

many of you have NOT even done the plan, so how would you know?
and most of you ignore the fact, that this plan WORKS!!!

and you ignore the fact that many did not join the web site to sit with kimmer…whomever she is…. WE DON’T CARE!!!

The web site is “us” the people who enjoy being there!
We have formed a wonderful community there, it is the people on the web site that make the web site what is is … not Kimmer..

Now that it is invaded by LCF worms it is very hard to be there anymore.
and that is sad…

Let me ask you this… when you joined LCF…did you join it for TOM? or for the community support?
I joined LCF for the support and when I joined I didn’t even know WHO Tom was …nor did I care.

I’m beginning to care tho’ because of the blood thirsty lynch mob his site has spawned… what is going on there, is no better than what kimkins is being accused of… ruthlessness on both sides..its sick!

I have read posts on LCF stating how horrible the Kimkins site is because of her deleting posts and banning people, and reading PM’s

ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? SERIOUSLY????
I think she learned how to do that FROM LCF. What a joke!
WHAT A JOKE! Are you all forgetting something??
LCF was the forerunner of Kimkins… she got good training.

It’s time LCF looks in its own back yard and cleans it up, before it goes any further launching vendettas against someone else!

I am leaving Kimkins… Not because of anything that the community there has done…
but because of the underhanded deviousness that LCF has allowed to happen there.. when I post something and then see it elsewhere and only with half the truth, then I consider that deviousness, and just outrageous…

when you have to go STEALING peoples posts and twist them to your own way of thinking, or not state the whole truth, wellll… then something is just messed up!

Don’t have enough ammunition for your hate vendetta?… OK go dig some up and twist it your way… NICE!

as FOR THE 14 YEAR OLD…I AM SORRY TO HAVE OFFENDED HER… not my intent to a 14 year old… that is NOT who I am.
But she wrote what she wrote…and are you all saying a 14 year old can’t think abnd write what she feels because she is 14?… hogwash!
I knew what I was doing at that age. 14 year olds are NOT stupid!

Stop looking for excuses to fly your evil plane… stop using a 14 year old to keep your hate crusade going .
Get over it!

You need to know I am not defending Kimmer…. I am defending my post over there, and the GOOd people on that web site!

——————–

Thank you for stopping by. You’ve spectacularly shown the world exactly the type of person you are. Bravo!

September 8, 2007 at 10:17 pm

osuzana

Thank you for stopping by. You’ve spectacularly shown the world exactly the type of person you are. Bravo!

You are so very welcome!…
perhaps I have shown the world that there are 2 sides to every story… and exposing, and explaining, something that is misleading is the RIGHT thing to do!

The “Sensationalism” in this headline is VERY misleading, It reads like a rag sheet ……like the National Enquirer….
NO ONE “ATTACKED A CHILD” tell the WHOLE true story… (yeah right)!

September 9, 2007 at 1:02 am

kkatastrophediet

It was Kimmer’s responsibility to block her access, per her stated “policy” as soon as she knew she was a teen. Instead she advised her she didn’t need anymore calories, KNOWING FULL WELL it was a teen. You don’t care who Kimmer is? Many members don’t. What does that say? There are MANY good people on that website, and thanks to the fact that I tried to let you and others know it was a 14 year old girl, in a non-confrontational way, I might add, I WAS BANNED. Were you? I was on that site for a year, and it is an awesome place for support. Unfortunately it is also a place where teens are told to not eat more (true, whether you want to admit it or not), where people are manipulated (you’ve seen Becky’s blog, right?) and where the owner is involved in shady business practices. If you are not defending Kimmer, does it really matter what address is on your screen and where your support comes from? No, if you’re not defending Kimmer, it shouldn’t.

September 9, 2007 at 1:17 am

GinaC at LCF

Good thing you don’t ‘CARE ABOUT KIMMER’ cause apparently Kimmer don’t care about you. Don’t believe me? Go read Becky’s latest!

September 9, 2007 at 1:27 am

graciej

Hi Osuzana,

Just wanted to let you know that I posted your comments at ALC, not LCF. I posted the whole thing. I didn’t twist it. How was it “half truth”? They were your words.

I find it hard to believe that you didn’t know that she is 14 because she has been a topic of much discussion on this blog and lcf for the last few weeks. But even giving you the benefit of the doubt that you didn’t know she is 14, there is no excuse for that type of post directed at anyone. It was rude, period. But really, it was typical for you.

I have done kimkins. I have experienced the negative side effects that have been discussed here and elsewhere. I will continue to shine the light on the inside goings on of kimkins.com until that site no longer exists.

September 9, 2007 at 1:31 am

mariasol

How would you NOT know that she was 14? She had her pics in her signature (the same ones that have been posted all over the internet by now) AND there is that little button under her name that shows her birthdate when you click on it. This girl never hid her age on the board.

September 9, 2007 at 1:45 am

Karen

So, Osuzana…you don’t care that Kimmer sells her website and her diet plan based on her own success with it….even though that success has been proved to be a lie?? Have you read the blogs about Kimmer? Do you see all her lies? The lies she has been telling for years? And that honestly doesn’t bother you???
I really can’t understand that mindset.

September 9, 2007 at 1:56 am

Kimkins Dangers

So.. you’re all so close over there, such a great bonded community, so tight knit and loving and all that.. but you didn’t know that regular poster (who WE all knew) was a teen? Riiiiiiight.

September 9, 2007 at 2:31 am

Kimmerexia

osuzana freaks out: “We were “brainwashed” idiots who were drinking “the kool aid”
nice huh?”

That’s “brainwashed idiots who were drinking the SUGAR-FREE Kool-Aid,” hun.

Diet Coke flavored. That way it’s even allowed during extended periods of fasting and laxative abuse.

September 9, 2007 at 7:17 am

kkatastrophediet

Were you banned? Let us know! List being compiled at
http://kkatastrophediet.wordpress.com/

September 9, 2007 at 2:21 pm

ban kimmer

Again I maintain WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU? Every kimmeroonie supporter is so angry and ugly when posting. Sorry that some of us found fault in the way you spoke to the teen. Let me make it easier on you, I don’t care if you were talking to a kid or adult your post was juvenile! Go eat your peanut buter sandwich? That’s so stupid. You sound like the fat kid at the playground picking on all the other fat kids.

We, the people who actually care about people haven’t even made those fat joke comments to your leader as we have all been there done that at some time.

Why is it ok for you to make ugly comments like that?

Because you are just as bad as her. You don’t care about anyone but yourself, and you don’t care about anything but the diet working.

Well punkin I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again….the diet does work, so does crank, heroin and tape worms but no one is touting useing those are they? DUH! Of course if you stop eating and drink only water or diet coke you’ll lose weight a retarded monkey could have figured that out. What you need to understand is you are doing damage to your metabolism.

But don’t think about that now. And when you are 40 yrs old and you can’t lose all the weight you will gain back let’s see who’s hurling fat jokes then ok? Sheesh!

September 10, 2007 at 1:22 pm

Bye-Bye Osuzana! « Kimkins Exposed

[…] Monday, September 10th, 2007 in low carb friends, online tracking, Low-Calorie Diet, Kimkins Diet, kimkins fraud, kimkins controversy, Osuzana, kimkins admins, kimkins dieting, Kimkins.com, vLCD, dieting, lies, Diet, Weight Loss, Low-Fat, Malnutrition, Heidi Diaz, Kimmer, Kimkins, security In a very vocal diatribe recently, Kimkins member Osuzana made quite a spectacle of herself here in comments. […]

October 3, 2007 at 7:33 pm

schemingturkey

hey everyone,

i just joined and wanted to say hi. 🙂

October 19, 2007 at 6:44 pm

hollywoodheidi

Hi! I just found this forum and it looks really cool.

Now, I gotta run off and read some posts. 🙂

October 25, 2007 at 2:01 pm

Speajepireeld

What’s Up?,

I’m just starting here. And it feels like an awesome forum.

I just wanted to give a nice hello to all of you here. 🙂

-Dana

November 14, 2007 at 11:14 am

keydaytaf

Hello
I’ve just registered at the forum. This is my first message.
Please don’t become angry about me.
Thank you.

January 3, 2008 at 1:22 am

WhereistheLOVE

osuzana’s comments, her demeanor and energy in general is what perpetuates the stereotype that women are “catty”.

April 11, 2008 at 4:52 am

upliftist

Hello my friends 🙂 😉





One Week, One Day, Teen Advised to go to Mother & Doctor

24 08 2007

It took one week and one day, but finally, today, an adult member of the Kimkins site set aside the risk of being banned with no refund and did the right thing, she advised the teenager being cheered by other members, site administrators and Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) herself:

I am just worried about the low calories and extreme low fat for you at your age. I have a daughter who is 14, too, and I (and our doctor) would not want her to eat such a low calorie and low fat diet. I hope you will take the diet to your mother, father, and/or doctor and go over it with them. You need to be monitored by a doctor when you are so young and losing so much weight. You also might want to consider losing the rest of this weight more slowly and with more fat and calories.

I did not like people to tell me what to do when I was 14–I still don’t! And no one wants to have someone rain on their parade, but, but, but, I would not be able to live with myself if all I did was congratulate you on your success in self-control without pointing out the risks and suggesting that you involve your parents and doctor. Your self-control and maturity could be exercised just as well on an appropriate diet for a young woman your age.

Courage!

It takes just one person with the courage to stand up and do the right thing!

Ducky applauds you!





Kimmer Encourages Child to Continue On!

23 08 2007

A commenter noted that Kimmer replied to the teen asking for help. We’ve verified that Kimmer did reply and this is what she responded with:

Kimmer (Admin)

Re:I need more calories

I agree with all the replies above, except about needing more calories simply because of your age. A calorie is a unit of energy, that’s all. If we eat too much energy, it’s stored as fat — whether you’re 14 or 84. If you have excess body fat, you have CALORIES hanging there, again whether you’re 14 or 84.

However, if you want to up your calories, simply add more food. You’re a teenager, so a couple servings of dairy are important (or use supplements with your doctor’s advice). String cheese, Dannon low carb yogurt, broccoli, kale, cottage cheese are good sources of calcium and will give you extra calories.

If your goal is to only add more calories, drink 1-2 meal replacement shakes in addition to your food choices. It’s easy to add calories if that’s your goal.

I disagree about adding fruit until you’re at maintenance. There’s little there nutritionally compared to the high carbs. Nothing that can’t wait a bit until you hit goal. You’re much better off with a 1/2 cup of sweet potato than an apple, as an example. More fiber, more antioxidants. And …

But if you’re listening to “other sources”, think logically and think about hidden agendas.

Notice Kimmer did not, as she clearly stated she did in her podcast with Jimmy Moore, turn this young girl away. She did not tell her that such an extreme low calorie level at her age and her current weight is dangerous. She did not implore her to go to her mother (or father) and ask for help from her parent(s). She did not suggest such dieting at her age should be under a doctor’s care and supervision. And she did not say emphatically that 500 calories a day is too few for a young girl.

No, Kimmer actually told this child that too many calories make you fat. The implication clearly that 500 calories is more than enough if this girl still has fat to lose.

And people wonder why sites such as this exist?

Now the world can see that Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) is allowing teens on her site, is recommending very low calorie intakes and is suggesting to a child to ignore those with concerns!





Kimkins Supporter is Truth Challenged

23 08 2007

An interesting site appeared recently that we were alerted about, The Weightless Answer.

The first post was made on August 13, 2007 and is quite an intriguing read. The blog owner obviously has a beef with many of the sites now exposing the problems surrounding the Kimkins diet and the diet founder, Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) but wrote in such haste that they simply couldn’t keep facts straight which leaves much of the content suspect throughout.

For example, the site owner, who goes by Weightless, shared with readers they started the diet in the middle of June. In comments on another blog, this same blogger stated they joined Kimkins on June 24, 2007, not exactly the middle of June, but really more the end of June.

That was problem one.

Problem two is the claim that in making a decision about paying to join the site, they read all the negative information, “So then I read the negatives… there were the “kimkins-haters” who made annonymous claims over the net that kimkins was based on an overweight woman making false claims taking money to teach the members unhealthy habits which would lead to poor health. They spouted the word: kimknsrexia and balked that “something must be done to shut’er down!”

The problem with this statement is that this is impossible given the date they joined Kimkins was June 24th and the start of the Fascination with Kimmer thread at Low Carb Friends was June 27th.

In comments on Jimmy Moore’s blog, the username Kimmerexia didn’t appear until July 2007, the first Slamboard article didn’t appear until June 30th, and the first criticism of Kimkins as a diet or of the creator, Kimmer, didn’t heat up on Active Low Carber Forums until early July. In June, when Jimmy Moore claimed to be starting Kimkins a thread was started and the discussion revolved around him and whether he was actually doing Kimkins.

So here we find the owner of this site is making up things. If the diet and site were not at the time under fire as this person suggests, how much did she really investigate before joining? This is one more blog set up to portray Kimkins in a positive light, except like others out there, this one too suffers problems of integrity and, to use a Colbertism, truthiness.

Of course our question is who is this anonymous blogger promoting Kimkins with no affiliate ID? Is it Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) with one more alias? Is this new blog the reason Kimmer hasn’t been posting to answer questions asked of her in her forum that claims members have direct access to her?

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August 23, 2007 at 4:22 pm

Karen

And interestingly, the first 2 people to comment on this blog were Deni and Christin, both of whom have a vested interest in Kimkins.com. I think that the person who is writing this blog is either Kimmer herself or was hired by Kimmer. And then Kimmer asked Deni and Christin to comment positively.
Also, the doctor’s comments? Those comments have nothing to do with the Kimkins diets, but the author of the blog would lead you to believe that they do.

August 23, 2007 at 4:23 pm

Maggie

Truth challenged is very accurate for your title!

August 23, 2007 at 4:52 pm

Kimkins Dangers

This “weightless” person continually leaves odd comments on my blog full of circular logic and rationalizations that honestly don’t make any sense. Whoever she is, she seems to be another of the Kimmer Lap Dogs Club and simply goes around spouting untruthful information in an attempt to shift the focus away from Kimmer’s lies and the dangers of Kimkins and onto the “evil bloggers”. She does not however, seem to be able to counter the factual information presented in the anti-kimkins blogs, odd, huh? 🙂

August 23, 2007 at 8:46 pm

Kimmerexia

Ducky sez: “In comments on Jimmy Moore’s blog, the username Kimmerexia didn’t appear until July 2007″.

July 16, to be exact. 🙂

August 23, 2007 at 10:28 pm

Gravely concerned..

This sounds like Kimmer’s style of writing..Another sock puppet maybe?

August 24, 2007 at 5:35 am

weightless

well lets see…
I seem to recall stating that most of the kimkins haters are very good at pointing to “half truths” instead of whole truths…
I actually wrote on my blog that I decided to write my blog based on a subject I had been working feverishly with over the past two months.
Yes I started Kimkins June 24th to be exact, maybe it would have been better if I gave you the time including minute and hour so you could investigate it further. You are saying I am lying based on saying I started in the middle of June, wow what a difference a week makes ladies, call me out on that one. Can we grasp at a few more straws? As far as the remarks about my research… My research involved something alot more costly than the $60 spent to pay for joining kimkins or the comments made by the kimkins haters. I reflect on my blog about the kimkins haters to give the reader a chance to read both positive and negative so that they can make a determination of what is right for them. You may also recall, I noted I read the article in Woman’s World, and that I visited with my doctors and showed them the article, (or didn’t you read that part?) Not just one doctor said they felt safe with me giving it a go. Mostly because I am a 10 yr recovered cancer patient, so I see a host of different doctors regularly. The research involved my being tested for full blood workups and putting the basic kimkins plan in the hands of my doctors to determine if my chemistry could handle it… I don’t feel it is necessary to quote my doctors one by one… they aren’t being paid by Kimkins to recommend it and if they choose to later write any mdeical brief based on my trial of this program that is their business.
Gee, and what a surprise that two kimkins admin would simply notice my blog after I supported them on one of your witchhunt remarks about them.
That is a hard one to figure out., huh?
For the record I am not even an affiliate of the kimkins website… I started to add myself to the ranks, but of course if I did, it would be misconstrued by each of you reading that I was a paid ‘lap dog’. But oh– once again you have each made that “assumption” regardless of there not being any basis for it.
Nothing so glamourous ladies, just a very content person with more than 35 lbs in weightloss who works 40hrs a week out of the home instead of in front of a computer making up drama.
So attack as you will… Neener- neener guess what?
I’m 35 lbs leaner!!





Child Still Cheered Along on Kimkins

23 08 2007

The 14 year old begging for help the last few days on the Kimkins forums has posted more pleas for help and is still being cheered along by adults who should know better than to encourage a child to starve herself for weight loss!

Not only has Kimmer remained silent to this child’s question yesterday, other admins on the site have offered little more than “I would also love to hear from Kimmer in your case! Hopefully she will come and answer your question too!” and “Please remember to always take care of yourself FIRST! Eat more protein choices, and play with your menu a bit.  Don’t be afraid to experiment with adding new veggies to the mix too!”  These tidbits were from none other than Deni, who has been cheering this child along this whole time!

Adults on the site have been less cautious, one replied to the question of eating more than 500 calories a day “that is all i am eating too!”

Another told her, “If you are eating sufficient protein then just add in some good fats which will up the calories. As fats are 9 calories per gram (instead of 4 calories for protein and carb) you don’t have to eat that much for it to add up.”

We’re still waiting to see if Kimmer even replies, and if she does if she will tell this child to go to her mother and ask to be taken to a pediatrician for help, that the Kimkins diet and forums are not appropriate for a child.





14 Year Old Begs Kimmer for Help

22 08 2007

Our teen being cheered in the Kimkins forums for starving herself has reached out to Kimmer in the Ask Kimmer thread in Kimkins Cafe.

Kimmer do you have a fitday. I want to see what you eat daily.
I have only been eating about 500 cals a day… I need 800-1000…
Any tips for me? sample menues… soemthing?

We’re watching and waiting to see what Kimmer (heidi Diaz) replies with, especially considering she claimed in the podcast with Jimmy Moore that she turns teens away from her site.

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August 23, 2007 at 10:14 am

Teen on Kimkins Starvation Diet? » Kimkins Controversy





Teen Spamming for Kimmer

22 08 2007

While the teen cheered on by those inside the Kimkins forums may have turned off access to her Fitday, she’s been busy online trying to drum up business for her heroine, Kimmer!

1200+exercise – the magic formula. Beware of eating too FEW calories.

…Shattered Memory…

http://www.ashley.movexalong.com/blogold.html

Maybe she’ll remove these too? She is, afterall, only 14 years old! It’s unbelievable that she’s cheered in the Kimkins forums for eating at starvation levels. It’s downright unconscionable that she’s allowed to promote through spamming!

We really hope her parents intervene here!

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August 23, 2007 at 8:52 pm

sam

I dont think you should be broadcasting this poor sirls life.
Really. If shes overweight… it’s her right to do something about it.
If she decides she wants to promote a diet that clearly helped her… then why are you accusing her of having an eating disorder?

Do you think you are doing any good by bashing kimkins?
Do you think you are makign the world a better place by bringing this 14 year old girl down?