Tippytoes Claims Anyone Exposing Kimkins is a Terrorist

Tippytoes (Jeannie Baitinger) posted in Kimkins moments ago:

Re:Heads Up

I just have to say it is very bad out there. This has turned out to be a very active hate group. I see no difference in this hate as any other hate, be it for blacks, hispanics, against abortion or whatever. This hate group is snowballing into a larger group all of the time. Thier intimidation and scare tactis are not only unreasonable but quite illegal.

If you have been threatened or intimidated by this group please notify your local authorities and us. These are acts of terrorism.

If you see posts being copied and passed to other sites, please notify me.

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October 1, 2007 at 3:00 pm

Kimkins Dangers

The best thing Tippy could ever have done.. get Homeland Security involved in this and watch how fast Kimkins disappears.. lol That Tippy doesn’t think, does she. lol

October 1, 2007 at 3:11 pm

Kim

Isn’t TT the one who sent threats, REAL threats, to Dottie that included mention of her kids?

Pot? Kettle? I haven’t seen any of us making threats…stating actions we are taking, but threats? I don’t think so.

October 1, 2007 at 3:14 pm

MicheleP

“Thier intimidation and scare tactis are not only unreasonable but quite illegal.

If you have been threatened or intimidated by this group please notify your local authorities and us. These are acts of terrorism.

If you see posts being copied and passed to other sites, please notify me.”

First of all… its THEIR not thier, use spellcheck!

October 1, 2007 at 3:17 pm

MicheleP

“Thier intimidation and scare tactis are not only unreasonable but quite illegal.

If you have been threatened or intimidated by this group please notify your local authorities and us. These are acts of terrorism.

If you see posts being copied and passed to other sites, please notify me.”

First of all… its THEIR not thier, use spellcheck!

Next… Your perception on what I legal and illegal is as questionable as your motives. You think it illegal to comment on a morbidly obese woman who passes herself off as a successful diet guru, using pictures that don’t even look like her or each other that that matter, lol, and that this woman FRAUDLENTLY collected what is esimated to be millions of dollars from unsuspecting people. You think it is illegal to expose this Kimmer? Give me a break. Get some serious help, professionally.

October 1, 2007 at 3:34 pm

kkatastrophediet

Hey Tippy! Consider this notification!

http://kkatastrophediet.wordpress.com/

Long live JUSTICE!!!

October 1, 2007 at 3:44 pm

Kimmerexia

Tippy’s right. I’m a terrorist.

October 1, 2007 at 3:47 pm

bobbin

Umm… it’s snowballing into a bigger and bigger group all of the time because more and more people are waking up to the fact that Kimmer and her admins (TT) are thieves, and liars. Everyone wakes up eventually.

October 1, 2007 at 3:50 pm

Violet Skye

WTF??? Tippykins, maybe it’s time to take a walk outside or a power-nap. I think you’ve been logging a bit too much time as an admin and it’s taking its toll on your sense of proportion.

October 1, 2007 at 4:23 pm

angie

Its snowballing into a bigger goup is because Kimkins is getting exposed as the scam that it is. More people are being educated about Heidi Diaz, Tippy Toes a.k.a. Jeannie Baitinger for the scam artists, liars and thieves that they are. Sweet victory will be when they are behind bars.

October 1, 2007 at 4:30 pm

ixtapacheryl

I think TT needs to get some legal advice ….. what we are doing is not considered illegal. TT, extortion/threats on your part towards the LCF administrators is very questionable.. and I would be frightened if I were you.

We have all been defrauded and scammed. If you feel the heat is escalating, my suggestion is to run (not walk) away from KK’s site before it’s too late (and that is not a threat), just a caring suggestion. Please please distance yourself from her. No amount of money that she is possibly paying you is worth being her employee. You don’t want to end up being the “fall” guy in all of this.

October 1, 2007 at 4:33 pm

Princess Dieter

Excuse me? Blowing up people with a car bomb is terrorism. Passing anthrax around in the mail is terrorism. Setting fire to churches and temples to intimidate and kill is terrorism.

Exposing dangerous diets and possible commercial fraud is not terrorism.

If Tippy is so concerned about illegalities, maybe she should investigate her boss and make sure that’s all clean and nice and on the up and up.

Oh, right. Her boss is PAYING her for this “public relations.”

I hope the mass of Kimkinites still over there see Tippy’s statement for the offense it is to victims of real terrorism.

Tippy, one phrase: 9-11

Look it up if you have forgotten.

The Princess

October 1, 2007 at 4:39 pm

Concerned about kimkins

Yes, Tippy, glad to see you are getting an “edumifcation” Stupid ass. Why don’t you research internet fraud. Why don’t you see what you are responsible for, in raising money for a fake charity? Bet you a dollar me calling Heidi fat will be far less important than you screwing people out of money.

Tippy=hillbilly douchebag!

October 1, 2007 at 4:43 pm

honeybeesblog

This was just posted up at KK as an example of the threatening emails that they have received there.
The poster then put comments after the threatening email that they were sharing. I think it is safe to say that the same person who wrote the comments also wrote the email. No screen names were used to protect the Identity of the poster…umm..but none needed.

Quote:
“We kzuw wko u r axd tke eivl u r diong. Us dcuks woll sotp at ntohnig utikl Kimkins hws foleln! We arre innakttnig a waar of teriror!!
Qacuk Qacuk.”

i cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt!. At lseat Mssis awlyas is syanig how ipmorantt it is to msot.

Ok…yes I am kidding… but you know the PR department could have written this!! 🙂

——-

Edited to bold that this is a joke.

October 1, 2007 at 4:52 pm

PrincessDucky

She’s lost it.

October 1, 2007 at 4:53 pm

Sheridan

“Isn’t TT the one who sent threats, REAL threats, to Dottie that included mention of her kids?”

Yes, and she also sent a similar threat to Melly, one of the chat admins.

Ephesians 5:11 Take no part in the worthless deeds of evil and darkness; instead, rebuke and expose them.

October 1, 2007 at 5:22 pm

Healthy LCer

From JWC:

HOMELAND SECURITY DUCK ADVISORY

Current Threat Level VERY YELLOW

WARNING

We have received credible information that there is an errant flock of yellow ducks roaming the streets of Corona, California in search of a skinny woman in a red dress. Following close behind the loudly quacking flock, are packs of small kittens and puppies hissing and snarling in unison, although some were observed smiling and winking as well. No one has been able to locate said skinny woman in red dress, so it is possible she has become duck food.

It has been reported that a somewhat larger woman in white stretch pants was seen running towards the airport followed by a rather tipsy female meandering recklessly as she tries to find new words in the dictionary. A third woman was observed staring intently into a crystal ball and screaming, “The ducks are coming, the ducks are coming!” Another follower was observed melting into the pavement reminiscent of the Wicked Witch of the West fame. The female in white stretch pants was then observed trying to obliterate the footprints behind her, but this did not seem to deter the flock of duck bills snapping at her heals.

It is critical that all who have reason to fear ducks, kittens, and puppies, should be on the lookout for these grave terroristic threats. In mass, quacking duckbills can be very effective weapons. Given enough quacks the world is sure to listen.

October 1, 2007 at 5:34 pm

Dottie

Clearing that up: My email was from Kimmer, not TT. I haven’t had any contact with Tippy except a PM before her cruise asking about how to search for something at LCF.

October 1, 2007 at 5:42 pm

anonymous

Posted by a KK member in response to TT’s post and deleted in rapid time:

I’m sorry, but I consider this to be highly offensive content. I live in Oklahoma, and was the news director for an all-news radio station at the time of the Murrah bombing in Oklahoma City. I know what terrorism looks like (smells like, feels like, sounds like) — and what’s going on the other sites ain’t it! Furthermore, to equate people who happen to be critical of Kimkins at other sites with neo-Nazi groups, the KKK or other extremists is ludicrous and insulting, and demonstrates a complete disregard for how truly dangerous an honest-to-goodness terrorist or hate group truly is. That comparison is completely inappropriate and ignorant.

Apparently, though, there’s no shred of free speech left here — if your thoughts don’t comply with what is considered to be “in line” with the “approved thinking”, you’re gone. . .

So ban away, Tippy Toes. Even though I haven’t said anything _object_ionable, I haven’t posted anything offensive, I haven’t included _link_s to “inappropriate” blogs, you’ll ban me because my opinion differs from yours.

And for anyone who reads this before it gets deleted and I get tossed, be aware that your health is your business — but you should be highly suspicious of anyplace that dictates to you what you can and can’t read or write.

And for the record, I have not copied any posts or PMs to other sites — my choice to leave Kimkins was mine, and I don’t believe that it is acceptable to “out” other people because they don’t agree with me. . . unlike some. I might choose to post this post someplace else, but it’s mine — and as the author, I have the right to use my words as I please.

I will continue to participate in other forums at other sites, where discussion can be freely held and honest but respectful communication is more important than the specific dogma of whatever WOE you choose. I’m not recruiting; you’re all grown-ups and can make your own choices — and I choose to go elsewhere.

C-ya!

October 1, 2007 at 5:54 pm

Mayberryfan

Two words for Tippy: Desparate. Pathetic.

October 1, 2007 at 6:00 pm

Exkimkinite

Yo Hidey!!!!

Are you embarrassed yet by Tippy making a complete moron of herself? Honestly woman, I gave you credit for more smarts than to have an idiot like this onboard at KK. Good grief. Terrorists. Someone quick – ALERT THE MEDIA.

October 1, 2007 at 6:15 pm

angie

I have 2 words for Tippy too: Fruit loop.

October 1, 2007 at 6:26 pm

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October 1, 2007 at 6:28 pm

2big4mysize

This is a pathetic tactic to scare those involved. You’d think being from the south she’d remeber that tactic of claiming federal law violations didn’t work against the civil rights boycotters in Alabama as the US supreme court ruled in their favor.

October 1, 2007 at 6:51 pm

theTRUTH

She sure scared me. I guess they are going to apply the patriot act now that we have been branded as terrorists. LMAO.

October 1, 2007 at 6:51 pm

TerryC

Kimmer has fled the asylum and left the “patients” in charge.

October 1, 2007 at 6:53 pm

theTRUTH

Now that we are branded as terrorists, maybe melt will like us better…

October 1, 2007 at 7:29 pm

Concerned about kimkins

2big, everything you just said I assure you went RIGHT OVER that hillbilly’s head. Are you kidding me? You think Tippy would know anything about civil rights, she’s still trying to figure out how to type/spell properly. Tippy is a moron, and the fact that she is the “Spokesperson/spokeshillbilly” for Kimkins, is AWESOME, it just helps those of us trying to out the company. When this hits that national media, they are gonna have a day with Tippy’s moronic ramblings. Ahhhh victory will be sweet. 🙂

October 1, 2007 at 7:33 pm

Dottie

October 1st, 2007 at 6:51 pm
TerryC
Kimmer has fled the asylum and left the “patients” in charge.

That’s what I’m wondering, too. When was the last time Kimmer shows online or posted?

October 1, 2007 at 8:23 pm

Stiff

“I just have to say it is very bad out there. This has turned out to be a very active hate group. I see no difference in this hate as any other hate, be it for blacks, hispanics, against abortion or whatever. This hate group is snowballing into a larger group all of the time. Thier intimidation and scare tactis are not only unreasonable but quite illegal.”

That was the most professional statement I have ever heard…
…coming from a hillbilly.

“If you have been threatened or intimidated by this group please notify your local authorities and us. These are acts of terrorism.”

In other words…Please, let me copy exactly what the haters are telling everyone to do by contacting your authorities because I have no brain to think on my own.
And let me call it terrorism in hopes I will stir some poor sensitive soul’s heart.
Bush is sending some troops to that hater website to take care of them KK-haters, ye hear?

Ahhhhhhhhahahah I can hear her in my head.

“If you see posts being copied and passed to other sites, please notify me.”

….so I can run to Heidi and be a good admin and get a good raise.

October 1, 2007 at 8:23 pm

Princess Dieter

Where, oh where, could Kimmer have funneled those accumulated membership fees in the hundreds of thousands….?

Someplace sunny where diet soda, wigs, white stretch pants, and #2 specials are bountiful, I suppose.

and theTruth–Melt doesnt’ like anybody but Melt and her boytoys, and maybe not even them. So, deal with it. Sniff.

The Princess

October 1, 2007 at 8:26 pm

mac

From Tippy at KK’s

Re:Heads Up 11 Minutes ago
They say they do not understand how the tactics could be considered terrorism. So for them here it is, straight from Webster’s dictonary: “Terrorism. the use of force or threats to intimidate”. This would include the attack launched by Ducky towards KimATC, threatening to post info about her children if she didn’t quit within a time limit set by them. This would also include SingingLass’s real name, address and phone number being posted with reference seeking those who live near her to “get her”. She has recieved major threats by telephone including death threats. They have suggested that if she has children they are in danger. This IS terrorism and this MUST be stopped.

Report terrorism to your local authorities. Print the threats and date. And contact us.
Please note, although no boardcode and smiley buttons are shown, they are still useable

—————————

Anyone with half a brain cell working can look back and see clearly that we never threatened to post about KimATC’s children. Her profile on Kimkins included her children’s names and when that was removed from KimATC’s profile on Kimkins Meet Your Team page, their names were promptly removed here too (and stated as such). All information posted about SingingLass is from public records and her own posts online. No threats, real or imagined, were made to “get her” in our post. Tippytoes keep digging that hole you’ve got going there!

October 1, 2007 at 8:29 pm

mac

Dottie,

It show Kimmer was on today!

October 1, 2007 at 8:41 pm

Kimkins Dangers

Making false accusations that someone is a terrorist is illegal, ftw.

October 1, 2007 at 9:12 pm

Concerned about kimkins

So ducky does this mean Tippy is walking straight into a defamation case from ya’ll now. I’m saying you should sue her too. She’s fully moronic! God Tippy keep typing please, I’m loving how ignorant you continue to be!!!!

October 1, 2007 at 9:19 pm

Kan

I think TT has made it clear that she should be the next target. And before I get called a TERRORIST, I mean she should be held liable for knowingly getting involved in a fraud and then bending over backwards to cover it up.

And you just know TT is loving this btw. She just wants to be in the spotlight. She is obviously an attention-who…..I mean attention-hound.

October 1, 2007 at 9:51 pm

CR

The paranoia must REALLY be setting in…they are imagining terrorists now LMAO!

Maybe Tippy hasnt heard of public record? As I said before, not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

in Heidi’s words….”Tippy, get a diet buddy, and no stress eating!” LOL.

October 1, 2007 at 10:29 pm

antikimkins

Quote:
“We kzuw wko u r axd tke eivl u r diong. Us dcuks woll sotp at ntohnig utikl Kimkins hws foleln! We arre innakttnig a waar of teriror!!
Qacuk Qacuk.”<<<<<<<<<<<<

I read this at work today and just started giggling SO hard!!!

What a hoot it would be if we came up with our own little duck language that Heidi and her crew couldn’t understand, then we could post in all the blogs using it!!! ROFLMAO!!!

October 2, 2007 at 6:46 am

ghoov

In the interest of public service I shal post a translation for the rednecks out there:

“Re:Heads Up ah jest hafta say it is mighty bad out thar. This hyar has turned out t’be a mighty ackive hate group. ah see no difference in this hyar hate as enny other hate, be it fo’ blacks, hispanics, aginst abo’shun o’ whutevah. This hyar hate group is snowballin’ into a larger group all of th’ time. Thier intimidashun an’ scare tackis is not only unreasonable but quite illegal, ah reckon. Eff’n yo’ haf been thrett uped o’ intimidated by this hyar group please notify yer local autho’ities an’ us. These is acks of terro’ism, dawgone it. Eff’n yo’ see posts bein’ copied an’ passed t’other sites, please notify me.”

October 2, 2007 at 8:31 am

Mimi

antikimkins said, “…language that Heidi and her crew couldn’t understand…”

That language already exists, and is in widespread use across the blogs of Duckdom. That language is Truth. Heidi and her crew cannot understand this language. They’ll never crack the code.

Keep Digging Tippytoes, Keep Digging

Tippytoes (Jeannie Baitinger) continues to enlighten Kimkins members about her theory on Ducky, theTRUTH and why Low Carb Friends is unAmerican too!

SUBJECT: Re:Question for Tippy

Tippytoes wrote:

Well, Netrition does allow it’s BB to be used to help destroy our home here. They allow members to speak freely and very unkindly, make fun of and threaten people who follow Kimkins. They even allow this hostility towards their own members who follow Kimkins. They are aware their chat admins are Ducky and The Truth and they are aware of the slander being written and promoted. They have made no efforts to discourage this behavior and in fact appear to be in favor of promoting it. They allow their members to make fun of overweight people yet they call themselves a diet support site. They still keep all Kimkins threads available for use. The “we can do what we want and you better not question it” is unreasonable and unAmerican at best. If you want to do business with this company you certainly may and you have every right to do so. But I want the truth known so others can make their own choices too.

*****

It’s clear Tippytoes has now entered into the realm of what can only be considered libel against Low Carb Friends and their admins; in addition she’s now fully within the boundaries of a lawsuit should Low Carb Friends or those admins she’s accusing decide to take the next step.

Oh, and Tippytoes, slander isn’t written, it’s verbal.

Becky Continues

Just moments ago, Becky posted a continuation of Kimkins: The Perfect Storm.

Now, a look at the professional practices of Kimkins.

Kimmer first gave out her brand of diet advice (as well as hair care and skin care tips) for years on Low Carb Friends, which garnered both followers and foes. I am not sure when the idea of her own site first began in her mind, whether it was all a carefully-laid plan, or just an opportunity too good to pass up when it arose. Judging from her track record of not sticking very long with any one thing (whether it be school or work or a relationship), I would guess that it was the latter. My conjecture is that she joined the diet site in all sincerity, hoping to lose weight like anyone else. She probably learned some things and had some initial success, but then, being Kimmer, she just couldn’t help embellishing things a bit, highlighting her successes and ignoring her failings, amplifying it more and more, becoming more extreme over time, as it began to attract some attention. Gradually, the gap between her words and her actions widened, as she could not follow through with her knowledge and intentions, but could not allow herself to back down and admit it, either.

She may have done what many of us have done —- promised herself to get back on track tomorrow, next week, next month, try to be extra strict to make up for it, only to give in to her old ways again. Her real life wasn’t working for her at all — but online she could be the best possible version of herself, everything she every dreamed of, until perhaps she came to believe it herself. The attention and approbation were too addicting.

At some point, it seems, delusion reigned supreme, and there was no backing down. As her claims became more grandiose and her polarizing presence began to dominate and draw heat more and more at the LCF forum, another member, Catherine, approached her with the idea of an ebook and a website to sell it. (Read more here.) I think it was the brass ring, the golden goose, and Kimmer/Heidi grabbed at the opportunity for . Once that thought was there, I do believe Kimmer purposely aggravated her enemies and gathered her fans even more, setting the stage for her big exit. Soon, ‘Kimmer’ flounced off in a huff, and Kimkins.com was launched as a partnership between Heidi Diaz, supposed diet guru and Catherine McDonald, tech expert.

In the early days of the Kimkins website, Kimmer seemed to have it all — a successful diet plan, satisfied customers who were easy to please, low overhead, and a competent business partner who made her ideas work. Her departure from LCF calmed down hostilities quite a bit all around, and Kimmer was left to operate her own site in her own little corner of the internet with little interference. If she had made the right moves then, Heidi/Kimmer might possibly have been able to continue on course to a legitimate business success for quite some time to come. However, because Kimmer at her core is a fraud, it was inevitable that any enterprise built on that basis would soon begin to crumble.

Kimmer was not only a fraud in her own personal claims of large, rapid weight loss, but she soon began building the business of Kimkins around fraud at virtually every level — member service, marketing, and management.

~ Fraudulent Member Service: She lied to her members about the safety and efficacy of her diet plans, leading them to believe her plans were safely based on the recognized plans of doctors such as Dr. Atkins and Dr. Stillman, while continuing to push them ever farther away from the cautions and sensible limits of those plans. She assured members it was safe, because, after all, it had worked so well for her, or so she said. She also began to be less and less available to members, despite her promised member benefit of ‘personal coaching‘. She ignored or gave inadequate and misleading answers to valid member concerns. This was because she apparently preferred to spend her energies on marketing, to keep new paying customers coming in the front door while leaving the members mostly on their own to look out for one another.

~ Fraudulent Marketing: In her marketing campaign, she lied to prospective members by spamming Craigslist with fake listings to plug Kimkins, by posting phony ‘articles’ and answers and numerous blogs for Kimkins all over the internet under various names, by promoting Kimkins with false implied celebrity endorsements specifically to target teens, and primarily by posting numerous fraudulent ’success’ stories with ‘lifted’ and photoshopped ‘before’ and ‘after’ pictures. She also made numerous claims she had no proof of or right to make, in violation of FTC regulations.

~ Fraudulent Management: Heidi/Kimmer entered into partnership with Catherine originally under false pretenses, and continued to lie to her about many things, including the source of the ‘success stories‘. It also appears that Heidi skimmed a certain part of the gross proceeds from the partnership before profits were split, by funneling income to supposed affiliate accounts which actually led back to her. It is unclear whether proper legal or tax filings were ever made, though it does not appear they were.

In matters big and small, every bit of the Kimkins enterprise was fraught with deception. It was bound to catch up to her sooner or later.

Before too long, Catherine began to have concerns about Heidi’s integrity, and backed out of the partnership. At this point, Kimmer claims to have brought in 4 other partners to finance Catherine’s buyout, but this is highly doubtful. For one thing, one of the partners she claims to have brought in at that time is Heidi Diaz, but photographic and written evidence clearly shows that Kimmer herself is Heidi Diaz. (For example, Kimmer has always acknowledged that Catherine was her partner in the beginning, and Catherine signed the original partnership agreement with Heidi Diaz.) Other names mentioned as possible ‘partners’ include Dennis Sharp (her son), Vanessa Sharp and/or Romero (Vanessa Romero is her niece), Nicki or Nikki Sharp, and Tish Diaz. It is extremely unlikely that these relatives are actually working, decision-making partners as Kimmer leads people to believe. It is possible they put up some money so Heidi could buy out Catherine; it is possible she got money from them under some other pretext; it is very possible they know little or nothing, and she is just using their names to seem like a larger and more legitimate enterprise. Nicki and later Vanessa disappeared from the “Meet Your Team’ roster some time ago, so it is possible they were based on actual people who became aware of the use of their identities, and protested it.

I have seen various things supposedly ‘written’ by some of those names and now Brad Johnson. To me. they all have the same unmistakable writing style, and are all almost surely written by Heidi herself, who freely admits to writing frequently under various male and female names. No one has ever spoken or communicated with any of them, except through Kimmer, and she trotted out the same excuses over and over as to why they were not available. (Usually they were ‘called out of town to deal with a sick father’.) Kimmer herself often spoke to me of doing all affiliate payouts and answering affiliate questions, even though she supposedly had an affiliate manager. These ‘partners’ were probably a construct that Kimmer used to pass blame, as when criticizing someone (’the partners don’t think they are getting their money’s worth’) or floating unpopular ideas (’the partners are pressing to make the fees monthly vs. lifetime membership’, which she brought up to me several times), as well as to provide other ‘identities’ under which to hide income.

In fact, there is no good reason to assume that the entity of Kimkins is anything other than Heidi Diaz sitting at her computer pumping out fraudulent marketing and picking up funds from Paypal and the mailbox, with a tech guy or two working remotely and unaware of the real situation, and paid and unpaid admins and members doing the heavy lifting on the site.

The best of businesses, with a solid business plan and an experienced team of managers would have been hard pressed to absorb the massive explosion of growth that occurred with the Woman’s World magazine feature. Kimmer only had forum helpers with very little knowledge of the true nature of the business; after all, she could not afford to bring anyone into her confidence, because she had too many secrets to hide. So, Heidi was suddenly way out of her league. She was gleeful at the funds rolling in, and foolishly thought she could continue to get away with the same type of scamming indefinitely. She was even in contact with Star magazine for another feature. Who knows? Maybe she even thought she could lose the weight, go legit, and make it work. However, her newfound success soon began to cave in on her.

Once thousands of new members hit the site and began trying to understand and apply the diet, the pressure was too heavy and all the cracks in the foundation soon began to appear. Without the personal mentoring and reinterpretation of the diets that new members had received before, the flaws and gaps in Heidi’s business soon became very evident. Many of those coming in with fresh eyes clearly saw the disparity between what was promised and what was delivered. Many clearly saw the dangers of the diet plans, all of them. Of the 40,000 or more who joined, most never even tried the diet once they actually saw it, and many who did try it did not stick with it long. Meanwhile, all the massive attention the diet was receiving reignited the souldering controversy that she thought she had left behind at LCF. However, Heidi did have two things working in her favor: the misplaced support of people like me who encouraged new members to stick with it, and the absolute sheer desperation of overweight people who had almost given up hope. For my own blindness and supporting role in it, I am sick-to-my-stomach sorry, and beg forgiveness.

At this time, Heidi seemed manic with delight over the income rolling in, and eager to spin off new ventures – more magazine and media features, merchandise, and related enterprises like the nutrition business she offered me. She could hardly be bothered with member support or complaints, and brushed off all concerns as something irrelevant, hardly worthy of her attention, even as worrisome side effects and evidences of her dishonesty mounted. Thus, the round of emails I pressed on her, with the results that we admins began to leave and express our concerns and experiences.

Our exits and warnings further precipitated a rash of blockings and bannings, as other members took up the banner and began speaking out. The business of Kimkins is now woefully in breech of the terms of their agreement with their members, who paid for lifetime membership in a healthy and safe diet followed by a woman who lost 198 lbs in 11 months and maintained it, only to be booted without warning when they complained that the diet was unsafe and the owner’s story was a lie. Members have had ‘privileges’ like private messaging and blog links in their signatures revoked, have been flamed and harangued mercilessly for any hint of breaking ranks,and have been banned without warning, redress, or refund on the vaguest pretext of ‘violation of Terms of Service’, which, like the diet plans and disclaimers, are an ever-moving target, conveniently changed after the fact.

Kimmer had it all — a million dollar website, a great staff, great member loyalty, and great future prospects. And due to great greed, arrogance, and dishonesty she threw it away.

Kimmer is now behaving like a rat backed into a corner, biting and snarling, while looking for a way of to escape unscathed. She is starting to meltdown, trying to cover her tracks and salvage what she can, leaving more of the running of things in the hands of unqualified admins. Perhaps she still thinks she can pull it off, or perhaps she is making her exit plans. As she continues to overestimate herself and underestimate her opponents, she will find, once again, that she has made a grave mistake in waiting too long.

Kimmer is a dangerous fraud, and the business of Kimkins is a dangerous fraud.

Both need to be stopped, and the sooner, the better.

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September 27, 2007 at 7:50 pm

Mimi

A note about the timeline … correct me if I’m wrong, but from all the digging that’s been done, Kimkins.com was set up BEFORE Heidi left LCF.

She had found LCF fertile ground for cultivating a crop of victims, but couldn’t harvest them until (according to the CreditBoard) her bankruptcy and other liens had “timed off.”

In the meantime, she was getting the website ready. When the time-off date had passed, that’s when she left LCF and started charging money for memberships.

This is, to the best of my knowledge, the REAL timeline.

September 27, 2007 at 8:01 pm

Celebrity » Becky Continues

[…] admin wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptKimmer first gave out her brand of diet advice (as well as hair care and skin care tips) for years on Low Carb Friends, which garnered both followers and foes. I am not sure when the idea of her own site first began in her mind, … […]

September 27, 2007 at 8:10 pm

Becky/Littlebit

I believe that Kimkins.com as a domain name was registered in April. 2006, the big flail-up happened in late May or early June, with site launch very shortly after.

Catherine or Martin would know more.

September 27, 2007 at 8:21 pm

Mimi

Yes I’m confusing registration of the domain, with opening the board. What I mean is, basically, she was laying the groundwork for the board, preparing, and building up to her dramatic exit from LCF.

As one of the other commenters has stated elsewhere, Heidi isn’t mentally ill — she’s simply evil, and she knows exactly what she’s doing. She’s fully aware of her intentions and her actions, fully capable of outcome-based behaviors.

September 27, 2007 at 9:54 pm

Tam (Kimkins refugee)

Becky (assuming you come back to this blog), after the WW article, was it ever *confirmed* that over 35,000 new members actually paid the life-time membership fee? Confirmed by anyone other than Kimmer, I should say. Did you have access to those types of figures, names and numbers?

I was a member there at the time and, yes, it was mind-boggling with the flood of new members, but close to 40,000? I’ve always had trouble believing that figure. If that’s really the case, the vast majority of them obviously didn’t stick around to post in the forums.

Don’t get me wrong. I don’t doubt YOU, Becky. But I can see how Kimmer would exaggerate the numbers just, as you said, “to seem like a larger and more legitimate enterprise.”

If the 40,000 figure is anywhere close to accurate … where are all these people? Those of us protesting here, at ALC, LCF, etc. are just the tip of the iceberg.

September 27, 2007 at 10:19 pm

Princess Dieter

It would be interesting to know when Kimmer-Heidi’s son turned legal age. Maybe THAT is what she was waiting for, since she put the site under his name. If the son turned 18 Spring of 2006, that would definitely put the motivation there…

(Can a 17 yeard old have a site registered under their name? I have no idea.)

And I totally believe she’d be going to LCF to gather her following before heading off.

The Princess

September 27, 2007 at 10:45 pm

antikimkins

Kimmer certainly doesn’t appear to be a millionaire, in fact, she still seems to have money problems. I wonder out of the thousands who joined after the WW article, how many requested refunds within that 24 hour block?

September 27, 2007 at 11:20 pm

Becky/Littlebit

Kimmer canceled the 24- hour refund policy prior to the magazine feature. She did give out some refunds from those who joined and cited kidney problems or other medical concerns, once they saw the diet, but very few.

I cannot prove those figures are accurate, but i would not be at all surprised if the membership numbers are not actually higher now.

I know how busy i was. I saw the posts rolling through there. At one time, I had access to member service emails, and she was getting literally thousands of emails a day. I was getting scores of PMs, as were many others. We had thousands online at a time, and hundreds posting intros and joining new challenges every day.

She also became suddenly very elated, and became much more willing to pay for help.

I imagine many signed up, looked at the diets, and left quickly, chalking it up to an expensive lesson learned. Most were not a typical online crowd. Quite a few lurked, but did not post. Many posted, but have dropped out now. Many have gotten banned, or cowed into silence. Still, they paid, and she kept the money.

She only took the membership and online numbers down when she began drawing too much fire from LCF, Slamboard, etc. I believe she wanted to reduce speculation into her gross profits once people started doing the math.

I have heard people say that they would look online and not see many people there back then. Perhaps they were not looking in the right places, because that was not at all the case then. The way the site was set up, the number reflected on a forum index page did not reflect the number actually viewing threads within that particular forum, but only the number of people looking at that index page at the time. You would have to open each thread to get a full count.

Only she knows for sure what her full intake was, but I have reason to believe it was quite high.

She told me she had only put back into the business what was absolutely necessary, and had the rest invested at a 10% rate of return. Who knows if that is true?

I do not believe she planned this out years in advance. I think she posted at LCF first for ego and power, and only later for money. I just don’t see her as someone who can sustain hard work for long without some kind of a payoff, but rather as an opportunist. I could be wrong. Time will tell.

September 28, 2007 at 2:04 am

Tam (Kimkins refugee)

Thank you, Becky, for that insight. I guess I’ve been hoping for lower numbers because that would mean fewer people were scammed, but it looks like she really was/is raking in the big bucks. Thanks again.

September 28, 2007 at 2:47 am

Dottie

Becky that’s very insightful. I also do not think that this giant “venture” was on her mind when she started out on LCF. Looking back on when she left, I really think she was planning on just getting $$ out of maybe a couple of dozen of her “fans” off LCF, then shutting the site down due to lack of funds (or hitting the members up for more $$ to “run” it).
I don’t really think she had any idea that it would take off in the big way that it did.

September 28, 2007 at 7:15 am

Princess Dieter

I totally believe there was a windfall from WW. That kind of coverage is sure to do that.

And I’m sure H/K knew to keep the money inflow quiet and the lifestyle discreet so as to keep all sorts off her back. Spending oodles would have drawn attention, I think. There is also the miser phenomenon where accumulating the money is the kick, not spending it. In fact, spending it reduces the pleasure of actually having a hoard.

Even if it’s half the reported 40K, that’s a lot of mookah going mostly to ONE woman who is hardly accountable. She got the Paypal and the checks. Why should she be truthful about how much when she’s not truthful about the rest?

And if she can offer Christian a car, then 100K for an Oprah brass ring, trust me, that means she had to have a nice, tidy reserve.

It would only have taken 10K members after WW to get 600K. And if that’s not reported or paid taxes on, that’s a nice chunk for any “disabled” person on government dole.

Didn’t someone say that the son bragged mom had a million in Paypal? (Can’t verify where that came from. Just remember reading it.)

The Princess

September 28, 2007 at 8:31 am

Sherrie

I think you’re right Becky.

September 30, 2007 at 8:12 pm

Peaches12

Why did all the admin. wait until the same time to quit. If you knew the diet was dangerous why did you continue to state otherwise, was it just the money that kept you going. I’m so confused, I continue to do Kimkins but with a higher fat intake since my body stalled and the increase intake helped it to lose quicker. How could so many been individual’s lifes have been put in jeopardy for merely a paycheck. Can you answer that, Becky?

Melly’s Mail

Tippytoes (Jeannie Baitinger, admin at Kimkins) is allegedly denying the email she sent to Melly at Low Carb Friends.

Here it is:

Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:01:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeannie Baitinger
Subject: if it walk like a duck
To: melly L_Name

We know you have a part in ducky. Suggesting you pull the blog or the next thing you will see is Melly Exposed.

Sinking to a New Low: Intimidation Tactics

Dottie, a much loved admin at Low Carb Friends, just publicly released an email she received earlier this month from Kimmer (Heidi Diaz), its contents a thinly veiled threat to her and her child.

Hey Dottie! I hate to write you on a weekend because that’s family time, but we got an email at Kimkins this morning.* It said they were going to “help me” by posting photos of the admins at LCF.* They mentioned CITY and that you had a CHILD.*

Dottie, you’ve always been a good friend to me and I have nothing to do with this.* I figure it’s just a nut.* We’ve both had our share of those.*

They were using a proxy so the IP was fake and I deleted it.* It’s probably nothing, but “heads up” anyway.* Like I said, it’s probably just a weirdo with nothing better to do than write this stuff.* Sorry it’s a weekend.*

This is the type of person Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) is. She uses people to her advantage and when she’s done with you, there is no low she will not sink to in an attempt to silence criticism through intimidation and fear.

Dottie however saw through it, and saw it for what it is,

I was angry and upset when I got the email, which was probably the point of sending it, but I realize it was probably a scare tactic.

Others are speaking out on the various forums of their own receipt of emails that are threatening, filled with hate or trying to scare them off continuing to tell others about the dangers of Kimkins.

WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED!

WE WILL NOT BE INTIMIDATED!

If you’ve received threatening or intimidating emails, contact your local police department and file a complaint! You’re also free to share them here, in our comments, in confidence or to be released publicly!

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September 25, 2007 at 6:18 pm

Kim

Now wouldn’t most “normal” people actually forward the e-mail they got to their friend and say “hey, i thought you might want to see this?”…Yes, I said most NORMAL people.

Good thing Dottie saw through it, but it’s pretty creepy, even for Heidi, to resort to those kinds of tactics.

September 25, 2007 at 7:02 pm

Dottie

Thanks Kim, and to all the great people who sent me nice PM’s and posts. I wavered for 2 weeks about posting it. Between the implied threat and just being freaked out a little, I wasn’t sure what to post.
I sincerely appreciate the support I’ve gotten since “coming out”.
Thank you.

September 25, 2007 at 7:07 pm

Heidi’s Up to No Good Again? « Kimkins Exposed

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September 25, 2007 at 7:19 pm

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September 25, 2007 at 9:06 pm

Sweetie

Sorry, but can someone please tell me how that was a threat? I’m a little slow when it comes to reading between the lines.

September 25, 2007 at 9:42 pm

Tam (Kimkins refugee)

Kimmer likes to *pretend* that she is so computer illiterate, yet she says “They were using a proxy so the IP was fake and I deleted it.” I’ve used computers every day for years and I don’t even know what that means! LOL

So much for poor little “computer illiterate” Kimmer. Yeah, right. She pretends to be dumb (so the blame can be placed elsewhere) but we know who is controlling the Kimkims Kingdom.

September 25, 2007 at 10:08 pm

Dottie

Sweetie, I can’t really explain the feeling of threat towards my son it gave me.

I can say that the timing was pretty ironic: the admin exodus had started; the former admins set up blogs telling of the goings on at kk; the lawsuit had just gotten under way. There was a lot of new info about false claims (foster children, fundraisers, ex family members being contacted, etc) and I’m sure kimmer was feeling the walls closing in.

I feel this email was an attempt to get me to pressure LCF to remove the fascination threads, which I never did even consider asking for. Or maybe to get me to quit, who knows? Since her admins were fleeing in droves, maybe that was the intention.

No, I do not think that the Kimmer I knew is still in there anywhere. I do not think this email was some altruistic gesture to warn me of some “nut job” or “weirdo” out of any genuine feeling of friendship she has for me.

I feel that it was a threat and a scare tactic to try and get me to cave in some way.

September 25, 2007 at 10:27 pm

CR

Love you Dottie…call me if you need me, I’ll come over and kick some ass for you 🙂

Heidi is just soooooo wrong.

September 25, 2007 at 11:04 pm

Julie: Kimkins is Selling a Lie « Kimkins Exposed

[…] not going to be over until Heidi Diaz is out of business. The latest revelations about alleged intimidation tactics, blackmail, and blatant disregard for other people are a whole new low for Heidi and her […]

September 26, 2007 at 12:23 am

Sweetie

Dottie, I guess I don’t understand because I don’t know who you are? I’m sorry your child was mentioned. Too low.

I agree that this will not be over until she is put out of business! Maybe then my hair will stop falling out 😦