Kimmer Plays it Cool

This morning, after KTLA’s segment last night, featuring Kimkins as an ‘internet scam’, Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) is downplaying the significance of the broadcast and remains calm and cool to members.

With no remorse or explanation about the broadcast, Kimmer is posting away in an attempt to quiet any questioning, and banning members who dare speak up.

On the thread ‘Ask Kimmer’ a member wrote:

Just want to publicly throw in my two cents about all the controversy swirling around us. I know you would get a lot of flack if you did this, Kimmer, but–I wouldn’t care a bit if you took out all the negative stuff. I think the time for reaction to and self-_expression_ regarding all the people leaving, the lawsuit, etc. needs to have run its course. Those of us who are trying to focus on the program keep running into all that “stuff” on just about every thread we turn to. Enough is enough!

Kimmer replied:

I know. We’re doing our best to keep it off the site. People who enjoy reading it can find it at 1,001 other places. Meanwhile, stay focused, do your work, let your body show you what it can do!

On another thread, Kimmer wrote:

Maybe I can shed some light?

The point of this website — the entire reason it exists — is to help people lose weight. When there’s interference with that intent, we take action. Whether that is banning troublemakers or removing elements that distract from our purpose, we do it.

Personally I don’t like negativity on this site. I’ve said it a thousand times and I still mean it. If anyone is unhappy or disillusioned, there are a ton of other websites to vent your feelings. Or, start an anti-Kimmer blog like the “popular kids”. Sorry, bad humor. Everyone is 100% to their opinion. Absolutely. Just take the negative opinions elsewhere.

Or, you could just lose weight?

Those of you who have been members since the website started have seen regular changes to the front page. I think we are on #5 “facelift”? Our graphic guys get bored and every few months they get an urge to make changes. Unfortunately, this change was stopped midway. The brother of our lead graphic person is having open heart surgery and the balance of the design changes have been postponed a few days.

They’ve got ideas for another front page change a few months from now. It’s the nature of the beast.

And on yet another thread, inquiring about the removal of success stories from the site, Kimmer wrote:

I’m right here!

We are renovating the front page. We needed more space on the top menu bar so some elements were removed. Success stories are still there in photo form on the right side and expanded to show 5 at a time. We’ll be adding 3 new success stories this week!

The naysayers would love for me to chat on … so I won’t. We’ve got some new support resources for members coming up, too! Keep an eye out!

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If you have not yet watched the KTLA broadcast, you can watch the video here. Tonight KTLA will broadcast part 2 at 10:00 PM PDT.

Becky Continues in Part 3 (Repost)

Jimmy Moore Follows Up on Christin’s Story

Please note, the following is a repost from Livin’ La Vida Low Carb. We have edited to remove graphics and embedded video.

Kimkins cover girl: “I was wrong…Kimkins is not the way to lose weight”

It takes a very special person to publicly admit when they were wrong about something even after multiple warnings and concerns shared by those around them. And yet that is exactly what has happened this week when Kimkins Woman’s World cover girl Christin delivered an impassioned video apology at her blog along with a detailed explanation of the health complications she and others have suffered since beginning the risky low-carb imposter diet scheme devised by a morbidly obese woman named Heidi Diaz.

I blogged about my concerns over the Kimkins fiasco that culminated earlier this week when this beautiful young woman had to be rushed to the emergency room because of some pain in her chest and heart complications. When you hear something like this happening that was brought on by such an extreme low-fat/low-calorie diet like Kimkins, it should make you angry. AND I AM ANGRY ABOUT IT!

To anyone who is still on the Kimkins diet, CHRISTIN has a message just for YOU (link to video)

Show your support for and encouragement to Christin by leaving a comment about this video at her “The Journey On” blog. What a brave woman she is and I am honored to know her as a friend. She has demonstrated nothing but grace, elegance, and dignity in the midst of what has become a complete and utter nightmare for so many of us in the low-carb community concerning this Kimkins debacle.

For the sake of those who cannot view the video, the following is a summary of the video, including direct quotes made by Christin regarding her experience following the Kimkins diet. Be prepared to be shocked and stunned as she shares quite openly about the negative impact this weight loss fraud has had and may continue to have on her health. Pray for her even now as she seeks to reverse the damage that has been done.

Christin said she did this video so that others would “know exactly where I stand on this.” She explained why most people choose to lose weight: to improve their health. Period! When you are 100+ pounds overweight, then you are not living healthy, she noted.

She chose the Kimkins program because she “wanted to lose weight quickly and I thought healthfully” because she “wanted more for my life.” She wanted to “be there” for her family in the years to come. I think all of us who have ever gone on a weight loss plan can relate to that.

When she first began, the program was working great for her because “I was following the program exactly as written. I thought I was doing perfectly.” But after losing 100 pounds in five months, Christin then conspicuously noticed there was not one single doctor who approved the Kimkins diet. That’s when she started looking into who Heidi Diaz, aka Kimmer, really was and what she claimed to be.

Diaz had alleged in the marketing of Kimkins that she lost 198 pounds in 11 months on this Kimkins diet and was promoting it that way to anyone who would listen with supposed pictures to prove it. But it was this recent series of articles that included recent photographs of Diaz along with several other sites that made Christin become concerned and realize that those claims by Diaz were simply “not true.”

“Heidi did not lose the weight, she did not follow this program that she claims is safe for anybody, even for diabetics,” Christin said.

Then Christin turned in her video to the “risks” of being on the Kimkins diet that she discovered first-hand while following the program. She said she has real “concerns for everyone else that has attempted this program or will attempt this program.”

That includes first and foremost hair loss. Christin admitted that her hair “started fall out in handfuls” and it “scared” her. She estimates she has lost as much as 60 percent of what used to be “thick, full hair” prior to her Kimkins experience.

“Now it’s very thin,” she exclaimed.

Another side effect was the loss of her menstrual cycle that she believes happened from “eating so few calories and my body was becoming malnourished.” She said the hair loss and lack of periods are both tell-tale signs of anorexia, an eating disorder where victims literally starve themselves to be thin.

“I believe now the Kimkins diet program promotes a form of anorexia that I don’t know if science has even attempted touch on this yet,” Christin stated. “300 calories a day is not safe weight loss.”

Any dietary change this drastic need to be closely monitored by a doctor just like those who undergo gastric bypass surgery do, she added.

When these symptoms began to show up, Christin went on the Kimkins forums to see if anyone else was losing their hair and female cycle like she was. “What’s going on?” she pleaded to anyone who would listen to her concerns. And Christin said she “saw it come up multiple times” regarding these symptoms she was having in other people, too.

The excuse provided in response to this happening was that it was “perfectly normal and you’re going through a shed. Your body is just losing estrogen.” It was just too coincidental that “almost every other person who kept their calories under 1000 calories, probably more under 700 calories, has lost hair.”

“I don’t want to scare you,” Christin said speaking directly to people who are still following Kimkins, “but I want to bring you into the reality that there is a better way to lose weight.”

Christin asks “are you really doing this?” and urges people to take their diet plan to their doctor for him to examine it. “Take him your Fitday, take him exactly what you are eating, let him see your calorie counts,” she said.

“I’m concerned about you,” Christin pleaded.

Christin says she is sorry for supporting the “dangerous” Kimkins diet

When the time came for Christin to step into the spotlight back in June when the Woman’s World magazine cover story opportunity came up, she said she was “put on a pedestal as the ‘cover girl.’ I was the model, I was the way to do it.” But now she realizes how she was used as a pawn and seeks the mercy of those who trusted and looked up to her.

“I need to ask your forgiveness,” she said. “I’m sorry. I was wrong. Kimkins is not the way to lose weight. Kimkins is dangerous…for your health, it’s dangerous for your psyche.”

But as much as Kimkins hurt Christin up until this point, none of it was as grave as what was happening to her without even realizing it. She had the symptoms of an eating disorder that she admits made her realize she “had a problem” when she was fearful of even consuming some salad out of fear that she’d stall in her weight loss.

“I did not get fat on salad and on healthy vegetables,” Christin explained. “I got fat on sugar and white carbs.”

Getting over the fear of eating was a very difficult mental test for Christin as she now obsessed over every little bite of food she was eating and how it would impact her on the scale. She revealed that she hasn’t met anyone who has been on the Kimkins program who wasn’t “literally scared” to add food back into their diet.

“What kind of a program is it that makes you scared? Weight loss is not about fear, weight loss is about excitement, it’s about joy, it’s about recapturing your life,” Christin shared with a glimmer in her eyes. “It should be a fun journey, not a fearful one.”

And yet fear was exactly what gripped Christin and it would not let go of her.

“If I wasn’t losing everyday, then I began wondering what was wrong with me,” Christin admitted. “Nothing was wrong with me. My body was screaming at me. It was putting the brakes on and telling me you’re going about this the wrong way.”

As a devout Christian, she knew that “God created us to eat healthy foods; vegetables and fruits, whole grains, and yes, even fat.” Christin reiterated that she believes there is “validity to low-carb programs” like Atkins, Protein Power, and the like when they are done the correct way and not the Kimkins way.

“You will provide your body with all of the nutrients that it needs” when you follow low-carb by the book, Christin shared. “God did not create you to starve yourself.”

Outlining the “many dangers within the Kimkins program,” she said that it goes much deeper than just an eating disorder. She said that “something is going on within my body” and that it has been manifested in the form of “flutters” in her heart for the past month.

“Twinges, cramps, aches, all within my chest cavity right around the area of my heart,” Christin expressed, sharing that it all came to a head on Monday when the “severe chest pains…stomach aches, and nausea” were so great she was admitted to the emergency room staying there until late at night.

The doctors examined her with many tests, including an EKG, blood work, chest x-rays, and they kept her at the hospital for several hours to monitor her condition. It’s still unknown what caused the tremendous pain to come on Christin like it did on Monday night, but she was prescribed pain medications and was referred to a cardiologist for an immediate follow-up visit.

That visit to the cardiologist took place on Wednesday who shared several concerns for Christin. With a “more and more serious” look on his face after hearing Christin’s story about her starvation-mode weight loss method compliments of the Kimkins diet, he told her flat out that “our bodies can suffer damage from eating that little.”

After conducting more tests on her, including an EKG, an ECG, blood work, and “lots of listening with the stethoscope,” the cardiologist said he was not concerned about what he called a “normal” low pulse rate of 45 (incidentally, mine is in the upper 40’s since I lost nearly 200 pounds and Christin has experienced a heart rate in the low-to-mid 40’s). Even still, she says she “might get a second opinion on” just to be sure about it.

But there were real concerns that the cardiologist had for Christin, including “possible damage to my heart nodes and valves from malnutrition.” Because of that, he wants to have a sonogram of Christin’s heart to confirm whether or not there is this damage since it was inconclusive from the initial examination. He’s also concerned about some “esophageal spasms” that happen whenever there is a “rapid change in your dietary program and you lose a lot of weight.”

“Things can change on your insides,” Christin quoted the cardiologist as saying, “that it takes it a while to catch up.”

She is now medication for this “distress” with the contractions surrounding her esophagus and trying to rest as her body goes through the healing process.

Speaking passionately and directly to those who still think the Kimkins diet is a safe and effective way to lose weight in a healthy manner, Christin had an extremely clear and articulate message for them.

“If I and my story can stop anyone else from having pain and having the fear that I did that I might have caused even further damage and by attempting to be for my family I hindered my longevity with them–I was scared to death. That ride to the hospital was one of the most fearful ones that I have ever had! My husband was scared at having to face the possibility of losing his wife and his helper and his love,” she recalled from her haunting experience earlier this week.

When they got to the hospital, Christin said she and her husband “prayed together” while holding hands hoping for the best in God’s hands. And that’s something she wants to help others avoid if they will simply listen to what she has to say.

“If I can save any of you from having to go through that, then it is worth it,” Christin concluded.

Speaking about her role as the Public Relations head of Kimkins last month and as the cover girl on the Woman’s World magazine in June, Christin said she did it because she “thought [she] was helping” others as is her heart’s desire.

“It has always been my desire to help people,” she said. “And especially those that I feel a connection with, those who have struggled to lose weight their entire lives, those who have issues with obesity–something that I know all too well.”

Christin said taking on those responsibilities felt like she was “doing my part to give hope, to give assurance, to sympathize and to empathize” with people who were facing the same struggles that she had trying to lose weight. She still has those feelings for people who want to beat their obesity which is why she is still blogging and participating in a low-carb forum again.

“My heart goes out to you because I know what it’s like,” Christin stated. “I know the euphoria of losing weight quickly, but I also know the risks and the dangers involved and I am begging with you now to please listen to your body like I’ve said so many times and do the right thing.”

She added: “There is a right way and a wrong way to lose weight. And I am now convinced that starving yourself and utilizing the Kimkins program in that manner is not the right way.”

Realizing there is still a need for a community for people who desire weight loss the healthy way, Christin said we should all “stand together and learn together” the “correct way to use a low-carb program to make each other healthy, to live a longer life for our loved ones and our families.”

Christin said she’ll be back to blogging again soon and appreciates the friendship and love that has been shown to her through this horrific experience.

“I love you and I’m here for you,” she concluded.

Visit Christin and learn more about her continuing low-carb weight loss journey at her “The Journey On” blog as well as the “Livin’ La Vida Low-Carb Discussion” forum. And if you would like to contact Woman’s World magazine to let them know about your concerns regarding the Kimkins program, their direct e-mail address is DearWW@aol.com. Perhaps if enough of us let them know about Christin and others who have suffered serious health consequences from being on Kimkins, then they may print a retraction.

Kimkins is Toxic

The Kimkins forums can only, at this point in time, be called toxic.

Last night’s display of unbridled rage underscored the growing anger Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) feels as the truth is seeping out for all to see. In what many speculate was a drunken tear by Kimmer, under the guise of a new user name, members were given front row seats to really see how the once supportive forum is damaged beyond repair, how the environment reeks with hate toward anyone speaking the truth, including those members who remain within the site.

Members who paid for membership, who paid for access, who paid for a supportive environment online are finding themselves in the crosshairs; targets to be attacked at any hint they question the plans, the founder or their own experience within the forums. Members asking questions or offering up suggestions for improvement are quickly derided, dismissed and declared unworthy to be among the true believers, told to leave and go elsewhere if they won’t behave and blindly regurgitate the party-line.

When a member asked about calorie limits, Wonderwoman replied,

What limits? What are you talking about? Why not call your doctor if you’re so scared? Or if you’re not doing Kimkins then go away?

My cousin had RouxY gastric reconstruction for obesity and she ate less than anybody here. What’s the danger? What are you afraid of? If you do Weight Watchers with frozen tv dinners you’re healthy? Aren’t they loaded to the gills with carbs? Yeah. Nutritious.

When another member openly suggested a listing of potential health risks and side effects for new members, after reading Deni’s blog entry, her intentions were questioned by admin tarvosK,

I would like to ask the original poster what the purpose of posting this blog entry was? Is there some reason for posting yet more negativity about the plan?

Did this person have success on the plan? It appears so and then they left for whatever reason, as is their right. However I have to wonder about people that involve themselves in something like KK and then when they have gotten the results they wanted, go running off and start bashing it to the rest of the world. It seems to me that there is just something very odd about that, but then I have never been one to really follow the pack that much anyway, so I won’t be running off anywhere to tell people how evil and life threatening this plan is.

Notice tarvosK avoids the issue, potential health risks, and focuses back to fast weight loss as ideal and suggests those who have fled the site and are speaking out have alterior motives, according to him, there is no danger with Kimkins diet plans.

When yet another member dared to suggest posting potential side effects for new members to read and understand, admin Tippytoes stepped to admonish her with,

I am curious since I see you posting the possibility of negativity and doubt across the boards today… What does YOUR Doctor think?

Another member had the audacity to ask about carbohydrate intake after attending a class on nutrition, being told women require 100 grams of carbohydrate each day. Rather than explain gluconeogenesis or point her to articles about meeting glucose requirements while following a low carb diet, she was told by Wonderwoman,

If you’re in danger from not eating carbs, shouldn’t be you at the emergency room? On life support? Or crawling along in weight loss because you really wanted to add carbs and have given yourself permission under a self induced guise? Sign up for the group “yeah I did Kimkins and didn’t lose”.

These examples, and others we could provide, clearly highlight how dysfunctional the site now. Such abuse of members is not only tolerated, but expected; not only from admins, but between member to member.

It is a place where only those emotionally damaged souls really want to stay and want to remain so they can continue to feed on the punishment.

No emotionally healthy person will tolerate such abuse daily, nor willingly continue to remain so they can witness such abuse directed at others. Within Kimkins there is an illness, a sickness so prevalent and contagious, so toxic; an emotional dysfunction so damaging it makes the diet plans look sane.

Three Admins Step Up With Dangerous Advice

What do you get when you combine one confused newbie and three Kimkins admins?

Dangerous advice that may be fatal.

New Kimkins Member
Subject: Frustrated I need help!!

Okie dokie…
well, I know this is my fault, but my weight is going wacky this week. I was 174 on monday and have gone up and down every day between there and 178?!? is this normal? I have usually only been weighing once a week, because when I first started I was going a little crazy with the scale.
Anyhow, I have been very naughty (mostly because I’m caught up in other things) and I’ve not been entering my food into fitday. Shame on me, I know. I HAVE to do this. I feel like it keeps me more honest. (But I dont’ cheat, just have a tendency to overdo with the “extras” like cheese & jello)

ALSO- I’ve been having massive muscle cramps in my legs? I drink at least 2literes of water a day… and I take vitamins, so I dunno what’s up? Do other people get this? My dis-approving family tells me it’s my “diet”

Last- I have been doing well on kimkins. Better than anything my whole life!! But I am constantly being berated by family members and friends that say the way I’m eating is not healthy and it’s too drastic and I’m just going to “get fat again” They even go to the lengths of cutting out magazine articles and printing out things to “prove” to me that what I’m doing is wrong and unhealthy. This is really starting to drag me down and I’m wondering if in fact that has something to do with my wacko weight?

Thanks so much!!

SingingLass (admin and self-professed psychic) replies:

Lots of things can cause little scale hops anywhere in a five pound range or so….water retention, undigested/ expelled food, water intake, TOM…ya name it. I try not to worry about it when I see it, because it always corrects itself out in a day or two, especially if it is water retention or TOM.

You may want to try taking an additional potassium supplement for the leg cramps….when someone non-low carb dieting gets them, it often is prescribed to eat bannas for the potassium. Of course, if it continues to happen, consult your doctor.

I think we all have gone through the ropes of those who are not fully educated on low carb eating etc…and remind yourself that you have done much more research on this then any of them have, and thus can better decide what is healthy for you and what is not. Sometimes other people who do not have the courage, strength, whatever…to dedicate themselves to this kind of WOE and change for their ownselves, try to make themselves feel better by pulling those back/ putting down others who are making that effort. I know that sounds bad, but it is something many people have reported unfortunate incidents of. Hold your chin up sweetie, only you can decide what is best for you.

Next at bat, TippyToes (admin) replies:

In general dieting shifts our water balances and can cause the leg cramping. I take a calcium/magnesium supplement and it does the trick.

Sorry you are yo-yoing for the moment. I must say the one food that causes this for me is the beloved cheese. Try a few days without it and see if it cures the problem.

And then it’s Kimmer’s turn (admin and Heidi Diaz) to reply too, dragging a former admin into it:

KimATC recommends calcium & magnesium supplements for leg cramps. You can read more in the Work Out Zone forum.

Of course the only person who can advise you medically is your doctor — and many people still think you “need” carbs — so why not fax your doctor a copy of the Kimkins diet and ask what he thinks? Many Kimkins members have gotten the “thumbs up” from their docs and are on their way to staving off (or controlling) diabetes.

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Note, none of the above admins are medical professionals or qualified to provide nutrition or supplement advice.

No warning was provided to this new member that potassium supplementation itself can be fatal if not done properly.

No one warned her that her leg cramps may be a warning sign of electrlyte imbalance, a potentially fatal condition if not resolved.

SingingLass Sings the Legal Blues to Kimmer

Boy, oh boy, today is simply a feast for the eyes from theTRUTH!

SingingLass wrote: (in a PM to Kimmer/Heidi Diaz)

Hi, I apologize if you have already read this. My previous PM looks like it was chopped up wierd, and had this listed as being produced by you and not me, so just in case I thought I would resent it, because the background information regarding that law suit stuff and the primary person might be usefull…so wanted to double check that you got it.

That class laywer thing…cracks me up! Here is why. The person who started the ball rolling there, is Jeanessa. Okay, I read/ skimmed through most of the dribble over at LCF ( boring boring …I am still trying to recover brain cells)… and she was someone who came on board not too long ago with really air-headed seeming posts asking what was going on, and asking questions like a little kid hopping up and down hoping to be let in on the secrets and allowed to play with the bigger kids. She did not appear to have any negative opinion or experience of her own about this plan, until others instilled it for her. She then was one of the first people to be banned I believe the day the pictures were released on slam board due to posts she made over here…which she of course bragged about to LCF, wanting to be cool and further let into the group.

THEN she started this thing about how she was denied a refund, and oh she was going to get a lawyer. When she said that, she suddenly got this wave of people telling her way to go, and let me know so I can join in too. Following that, ducky made posts cheering her on and encouraging others to join on the wagon as well. I think at first there was not even a lawyer, that she was just blowing steam to look cool, and it jumped foward.

Now, other interesting issues. You have to lift a brow at a so-called lawyer who is posting on other random anti-kimkins blogs in the comment sections trying to drum up people to join up with him. Can we say bottom feeder, and a blow to credibility/ethical practices? Secondly….this is based on people wanting their money back. Not thousands, not hundreds…but rather clogging up court time and expenses for $60 memberships to a web service that they violated tos on, but still have access to the diet info itself. I know other web services, be it aol, games and the like, reserve the right to ban members for infractions without warning, regardless if they paid a membership fee.

Thirdly, they have to proove claims that they really were jipped/ frauded in some way, or physically damaged. So for the first part of that, an investigation will show that all diet information and support was in fact, and still is, provided as detailed in what people will receive for thier membership fee. However, no where does it say they are entitled to know your personal life details.

Next. medical claims. They cannot just say, ” oh, i felt dizzy, i had some hair loss….” they have to have medical documentation…which means doctor records of the complaints AND saying that it was specifically caused by the diet. Even when I had a lawsuit many years ago from a car accident, I could not just say ” My neck and chest have hurt since the accident”. I had to go to multiple doctors, get xrays, and have written statements provided by the doctors detailing my injuries, and confirming that they were indeed a result of the accident, and nothing else. These people, one, are doubtful to want to go to that kind of expense and hassel, if they even realize at all that they need to go through those kind of procedures….and secondly, saying they once felt dizzy or something, cannot be prooven or even tested by a doctor, especially if they are not even following the plan anymore…they cannot contribute to hearysay and speculations like that, they would risk their own medical credibility. Even if they do go to a doctor, and say, come up with an underactive thyoid or something, they cannot in any way proove that it was not a pre-exisiting condition before the diet, unless maybe if they had been tested recently before starting it and have some kind of proof. I know my own thyroid tests bounced from being normal and underactive almost every other time I was tested as well.

I have been telling a couple others who have asked me as well that the site is not going anywhere, and not to listen to the rumors or scare tactics being produced by others. What a crazy time!

Look how many years it took them to ban ephedra….and they needed all those court actions, all those documents of people dying, and it still is being brought back up and contemplated. I don’t think any of the makers even were sued, just told they could not make it anymore. And personally, I think ephedra can be a helpful substance—when used CORRECTLY, and in regulated doses. It helped even to open my air ways in various products when I was sick.

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NOTE TO TRUTH: Can you include dates for the PM’s as you post them?

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September 20, 2007 at 5:23 pm

Watcher

She makes some good points. Doing a Kimmer, are we listening and taking what we need from this? Everybody with health issues, can you get documentation? Not that it really matters, since there is enough proof of the starvation response in research to make a judge go hmm. Besides, she’s ignoring the fraud part where the creator of the diet solicited memberships based on her “success.” Keep talking. (Did Kimmer reply?)

September 20, 2007 at 5:35 pm

kar_kar

She’s so far up Heidi’s ass it’s a wonder she can still breathe. Notice she has no defense for the fraud of a morbidly obese woman pretending to be 118 pounds to sell the diet. Oh that’s right, she’s convinced Kimmer isn’t Heidi…and she has the gall to call others stupid!

September 20, 2007 at 5:35 pm

OddManOut

It’s probably a good thing that kimmers “mini-me” isn’t worried. The more time they spend not worrying, the more time the authorities have to investigate.
For SL, keep saying there’s no problem. OJ probably said the same haha.

September 20, 2007 at 5:39 pm

KN

A few days ago, I read (on this blog, I think) where Kimmer mentioned an email address that only she reads…..could you re-post that? I am trying to send her a direct email asking for a refund. Thanks.

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webmaster@kimkins.com

September 20, 2007 at 5:41 pm

omgwtf

I see that singinglass is a lawyer about as much as Kimmer is a dietician. *snort*

September 20, 2007 at 5:46 pm

Me

SL disgusts me. She will rot in hell with the rest of them. She is selling her soul for $150 a week. That’s pretty low.

Just because she had a tradgety happen earlier in her life that she cannot seem to get passed, she wants to hurt as many other people as possible too.

That is just sick.

September 20, 2007 at 5:46 pm

OddManOut

Was it webmaster@kimkins.com ?

September 20, 2007 at 5:52 pm

WhoRU

I agree with SL that it would take years to prove that the diet was culpable for any kind of illness. It probably isn’t a good thing to fight out in court at this time.
HOWEVER- The banning of members for fake TOS violations, not refunding based on the fake violations, not providing the product that the members paid for, seriously false advertising, violating CA business ethics laws, collecting funds for non-existent foster children, using multiple aliases to skirt taxes and collecting SSD under false pretenses…………..

September 20, 2007 at 6:00 pm

kimkinslawsuit

Since I am featured so prominently in this, can I respond?

Singinglass,

1.) Yes, I did get the ball rolling for the lawsuit

2.) I joined LCF in 2004 back when Kimmer was still there so I didn’t just come on the scene. Of course, I wanted to know what was going on, I had spent my hard-earned money to join Heidi’s site and every question that I asked about Kimkins in the past (on Kimkins and Jimmy’s blog) had been quickly swept aside. As far as my negative opinion of Kimkins – it has been there for quite some time, LCF and Kimkins simply did not allow you to express it in their forums – they did the same thing you spend all day doing – hitting the delete button, sweetie.

3.) Yes, I was banned the day the pictures were released and yes, I became more vocal at that point because that was when I realized that I had been conned and it was high time somebody did something about the fraudulent website of which you are so prominently involved.

4.) I was cool when I came out of my moma’s womb in 1978, you don’t know me so don’t act like you do.

5.) I got a lawyer the day after I was banned. Speak what you know or shut up, baby doll.

6.) This lawsuit is not simply about a refund, but about ethical business practices. Just because we are on the Internet does not mean you can lie to people and take their money.

7.) John E. Tiedt is an ethical attorney who has decades of litigation experience and is a health fraud advocate who serves on the Health Fraud Task Force for the Attorney General’s office in the State of California. You sure you want to call him a bottom feeder and face libel charges yourself?

8.) We don’t have to prove a thing. Heidi has to prove that she is 118 pounds.

9.) As far as Kimkins.com not going anywhere, you might want to get Heidi to meet you in person and prove her claims before you go making promises that you are in no position to keep.

10.) Ephedra and Kimkins.com are on two different scales. If you can’t take the time to figure out the difference between the two lawsuits, I’m not going to bother to take the time to try to explain it to you.

11.) Conduct sound research before you go off at the mouth, honey. It takes away from your swagger you don’t.

September 20, 2007 at 6:11 pm

Mir

I thought SingingLass was a psychic or somesuch. Now she’s a legal advisor?

Well, legally speaking, Kimmer is an invention. Doesn’t exist. But the person who invented Kimmer, well….SingingLass should set up a face to face meeting with her Fuhrer and see how slender she is.

Mir

September 20, 2007 at 6:11 pm

ally

Ooohh…. I wouldn’t mess with Jeanessa!

SL and Kimmer are obviously too clueless to see that.

September 20, 2007 at 6:15 pm

Down with Kimkins!

What I am trying to comprehend is WHY help (abet) perpetuate a blantant liar’s fantasy?

Are all the admins suffering from mental illness?

September 20, 2007 at 6:18 pm

theTRUTH

“Heidi has to prove that she is 118 pounds.”

Oh, oh, Heidi. Better get cycling on that Tippy diet thingie.

September 20, 2007 at 6:20 pm

JenX

They are deluded…..

September 20, 2007 at 6:21 pm

wow

Singinglass you are a joke….and I’m sure Heidi is sitting back thinking “oh brother….this chick can’t even spell and I have her reporting this drivel back to me?” Your ramblings are just that…..grabbing at any little piece of “knowledge” you can find so that you can seem important in Heidi’s eyes.

You are a pleaser…..SHE IS USING YOU, but you are too stupid to see it. This “so-called lawyer” yes, you spell lawyer L-A-W-Y-E-R…..has credentials……what do you and Heidi have?

September 20, 2007 at 6:30 pm

OddManOut

[i]Are all the admins suffering from mental illness?[/i]

Something in the koolaid?

September 20, 2007 at 6:33 pm

Mir

Maybe that’s why Heidi/Kimmer/Etc is keeping up a good front with admins. She’s stalling. She needs a month or two to lose 150 pounds for that court appearance…and her focus on DATELINE.

So, let’s see, 150 lbs. A Cinch for the Kimmer.

She can be lean and mean(er) by Christmas and start a whole new Kimmer Elite plan–better than Bootcampe for half the price–for those who need to get 10 stone off in a hurry. One ounce of chicken and one spinach leaf per day and 2+ hours of exercise. And lots of fake blog creations for technorati pumping. (Doctor’s okay required, but only if your doctor is a total loon.)

M.

September 20, 2007 at 6:36 pm

Stiff

As for webmaster@kimkins.com … Kimmer isn’t the only one to read it. If you look at your newsletters and eCrock…I mean eBOOK…and informative little e-mails about setting up blogs and what not, the following people have sent out e-mails from webmaster@kimkins.com (from the emails I have saved)

-Brad Johnson, Affiliate Manager
-Nikki Sharp
-Vanessa Sharp, (ex) Affiliate Manager
-Kimmer

Hmmmm….

Also, does anyone know who Peggy Colton is? I was looking on the Press Release site at the Kimkins PRs and at the bottom of one of the releases I did a reverse phone # search and it came up with Peggy Colton. (One also came up as a Nextel customer). Notice how there are three different numbers in the Corona, CA area code…hmmm…

September 20, 2007 at 6:38 pm

Stiff

I bet Heidi is taking her time freaking out so she can try to be 118 pounds and then come out of hide-y-ing.

Not that it would help her face.

Not that she could stick to her ‘diet’ for more than two hours.

September 20, 2007 at 6:48 pm

Kim

I’d like to chime in on the legal issue (again, this is what I do for a living and have to offer)…Kimmer is the one who has to prove she lost the weight and kept it off. This is her marketing tactic. She is being accused of false marketing tactics – SHE has the burden to prove she is/did what she said.

Kimmer is selling lifetime memberships and then banning people. This is also illegal. Lifetime means just that…lifetime. You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out. The TOS has been changed repeatedly to include the “no negativity”, etc. clauses. Here’s the thing…you can and are allowed to change the TOS of any contract HOWEVER, you have to notify EVERY PERSON that the change effects. So in short, banning someone, then saying “we changed the TOS” doesn’t cut it. I, for one, never did anything negative on that site whatsoever and was banned for filing a BBB complaint. I have the e-mail from Kimmer herself stating that she banned me because I seem to be unhappy with the site. So in her own words she didn’t ban ME for a TOS violation or anything negative. She banned ME because she had an opinion and felt she was Godlike.

I have looked up the attorney, and not just through his website. He is a legitimate attorney. My best friend is a paralegal for a class action attorney in this area and he knew who this attorney was by me just mentioning his name and said “Oh, he’s a good one.” And yes, it took 10 years on the ephedra case…wake up SL – a basic lawsuit over a car wreck takes about 5 years to get the court system anymore. I won’t go into details about why it takes that long, you wouldn’t comprehend it if I tried. Also remember, most of us aren’t in this for the money. We aren’t the ones selling our souls for $150 a week. We want Heidi stopped! Have you even figured out how many hours you work on that site helping her con people and then figure out what you’re making an hour with that measily $150? I’m sure it’s about $2 an hour, if that. Well worth it, I’m sure.

Just one more little tidbit of advice SL – PLEASE, OH PLEASE….take your $150 weekly bribe and get a dictionary or install a spellcheck program on your computer. Besides talking out your @$$ about things you have no clue, you make yourself look even dumber by not being able to spell basic third grade words. If you want to play lawyer, go ahead…but that’s illegal too – kind of like dispensing medical advice without a license. Both will get you thrown in jail.

September 20, 2007 at 6:49 pm

Kim

So how long before we all get an e-mail with the new TOS with Heidi trying to cover her tracks again. The e-book was a good laugh, so this should be even better!

September 20, 2007 at 6:53 pm

Tam (Kimkins refugee)

Wow! Obviously Singing Lass ignored littlebit’s plea, but she really is delusional if she ignores what Jeanessa has to say.

It’s sad that SL needs support and friendship so much she’ll turn to Kimmer. Heidi will dump her in a second once her usefulness is gone and then where will poor Singing Lass be?

September 20, 2007 at 6:57 pm

Julie

“As for webmaster@kimkins.com … Kimmer isn’t the only one to read it. If you look at your newsletters and eCrock…I mean eBOOK…and informative little e-mails about setting up blogs and what not, the following people have sent out e-mails from webmaster@kimkins.com (from the emails I have saved)

-Brad Johnson, Affiliate Manager
-Nikki Sharp
-Vanessa Sharp, (ex) Affiliate Manager
-Kimmer

Hmmmm….”

“Kimmer” might not be the only one reading the emails. But Heidi sure is!

September 20, 2007 at 7:07 pm

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September 20, 2007 at 7:20 pm

La Mesa

So there is Singing lass, the opera singing psychic, Tippy who can’t get her hear out of heidis ass nor can she decide which diet she actually lost weight on….and then heidi the 300 pound bald woman…..is this right? Is this really for real?? LMAO at this point I can’t stop laughing about the opera singing psychic part…I mean if you were REALLY psychic…shouldn’t you have SEEN this coming??? hahahaha

September 20, 2007 at 7:21 pm

La Mesa

Singinglass…does the psychic hotline pay you more the 150 a week??

September 20, 2007 at 8:02 pm

OddManOut

La Mesa did this image flash through your mind?

September 20, 2007 at 8:58 pm

WOW

Stiff, you make an excellent point! More proof that there is only one “partner”

September 20, 2007 at 9:28 pm

La Mesa

LMAO yes OddManOut, exactly the image I had in my head!!! LOL Thanks!

September 20, 2007 at 9:48 pm

ghoov

She mentioned having to go through the ringer and getting a lot of documentation about her injuries after an auto accident. It seems that she pursued this and took the insurance company to court… maybe did a settlement out of court. That case is one individual utilyzing a personal injury (tort) attorney to file a claim against an insurance company for monetary compensation.

IN the case of a class action lawsuit, the same is not applicable. Havent you ever received a class action notice in the mail and all you had to do to participate was sign a paper? It would be interesting to get more detail on this though.

I’m also wondering how long this information source (internals message amongs admins) is going to be available if they read these boards. I would think they would have already gone to another method of communication or will start to say things just to mess with the mole.

September 20, 2007 at 10:04 pm

Karen

Stiff wrote:
“As for webmaster@kimkins.com … Kimmer isn’t the only one to read it. If you look at your newsletters and eCrock…I mean eBOOK…and informative little e-mails about setting up blogs and what not, the following people have sent out e-mails from webmaster@kimkins.com (from the emails I have saved)

-Brad Johnson, Affiliate Manager
-Nikki Sharp
-Vanessa Sharp, (ex) Affiliate Manager
-Kimmer

Hmmmm….

three different numbers in the Corona, CA area code…hmmm…”

That’s because those are all alter egos of Kimmer! She just gave it up that she is all those people!! That is excellent! LOLOLOLOL

September 20, 2007 at 10:47 pm

Scoble

Hmmmmm…..trained opera singer and psychic consultant and NOW she is a LAWYER!!!! Wow!!! I am amazed! I guess SingingLass will be the defending lawyer in the case huh?

September 20, 2007 at 11:09 pm

EAT People, EAT!

Can we fry this dumb byatch now? I’m sorry, but she makes me so mad, just about as mad as Heidi makes me!!! I was trying to understand her part because of her ABUSE but after reading all of this, I’m sorry I HATE HER just as much as that evil POS Heidi/Kimmer or whatever personality she is today!

I say, take stupid 10-year-to-get-a-degree-but-still-happily-sucking-butt-for-pennies-an-hour-can’t-get-a-job-on-a-psychic-hotline SingingLass DOWN with Heidi. I’m posting whatever I want to say about her – she is EVIL just like Kimmer and she deserves whatever is said about her! Being abused is no excuse for being a stupid sorry byatch!!!!

She’s fair game now! Let’s see what else we can find on her!

September 20, 2007 at 11:51 pm

JenX

LOL. Get it out girl, testify! 😉

September 21, 2007 at 2:19 am

theTRUTH

I warned her yesterday that this didn’t have to be posted today. It didn’t have to be made public. Yesterday, she had some sympathy on her side. She had her chance to do what was right. She wasn’t blind sided by today’s posts. She won’t be tomorrow either when I post.

January 14, 2008 at 10:50 am

anonymous

I actually know this girl. And she really is no singer.

She may be trained, but that doesn’t mean that she has any talent.

What else does she lie about, then?

The TRUTH Outs Admins at Kimkins

Just moments ago ‘the TRUTH’, who comments across many blogs and recently launched their own blog, released confidential admin forum communications on their blog. Hat tip to theTRUTH!

We wonder if Kimmer (Heidi Diaz) recognizes the inside source leaking this information out? These communications are, after all, in a hidden forum area only accessible to admins!

Sept. 5

From Kimmer:
Handling Forum Posts/Questions
First, I want to thank everyone for their time and your kindness to help out on Kimkins forums. I don’t have to tell you that our strongest asset is our members — including all of you!

I might bear mentioning that our main goal at Kimkins is to help people lose weight. This isn’t always by offering food choice advice, but encouraging and suggesting choices — which all of you do.

Any questions of a medical nature can have a general reply or your own personal experience, but they should be encouraged to ask their doctor. I don’t think any of us are doctors, no doctor would diagnose over the internet anyway. I understand they are hesitant to go to the doctor or may have financial problems, but we’re not medical experts.

As you’ve probably read in forums I don’t like negativity threads. Not that there’s anything wrong with venting, but their tone spreads quickly and distracts from the work we’re doing here. Negativity & weight loss don’t mix and can affect your whole day (think of the last time you had an argument with a spouse or coworker).

There’s a ton of places they can go to complain about me, I’d rather it not be here.

Again, thanks everyone, I really appreciate your help. I’m a bit behind with no computer for a week, but I’m working hard to get caught up. If anyone has more questions or wants to add anything, feel free!

K.

Sept., 6
From TippyToes

Re:Handling Forum Posts/Questions
I agree. The time we are spending hunting out the nay sayers is time we could have spent helping people. If any of you admins see negative posting, by all means delete it even if you have to delete the entire thread. And report the person who posted the offense to Kimmer right away, please. We are going to start banning with no refund. Because we are a paid site, I doubt too many will pay $ to come back just to cause trouble. Thanks again, everyone. This too shall pass…

From AdminXXX (Name removed because Admin has since resigned. Had too much sense I guess…)
Re:Handling Forum Posts/Questions
Wow, that’s a big step. I hope there was something in the terms of service that reserves the right to do that (or to change the terms of service). If not, that could create some kind of legal issue (or at least very hard feelings), since people are paying for lifetime memberships.

May I suggest:
– setting some very, very specific guidelines on what is and isn’t appropriate.
– setting a specific banning procedure, including a set of warnings
– making absolutely certain that everybody is informed about the guidelines and the banning procedure

Sept. 11
From SingingLass:
Something I felt i should make a note on…..is we should pay attention to questions in certain areas right now. Primarily questions in the fields the other sites are trying to claim as a negative of this plan right now…..such as calories, laxitives, children and the like. I do read the other stuff occassionally, I am not affected by it, but like to just keep tabs a bit on what is going on…..and one of the things I have seen is people wanting to try to manifest dirt—-so a harmless seeming question about how low they can go with calories or laxatives could potentially be a setup to try to get a response they can use somehow. I may sound paranoid, but I think it is a very real issue right now that should be considered in our responses….I personally am trying to be “safe” in my responses, refer to the reading, eating when hungry, and of course to check with doctor.

For instance, there is a thread in newbie forum right now “fat grams”…..of someone wanting to do the diet with nothing but shakes, and it just struck me a little odd on how they keep asking the same questions over and over about how low calories can go ignoring the responses……and got really aggressive towards me in my response. They seem to be looking for an exact number or an answer that says there is no limit to how low they can go. Again, this could be me being paranoid….but is an example of being alert to odd questions or behaviors.

From Kimmer:
Delaney, good point. Yes, they’re out … looking for anything that can be twisted or taken out of context. Hard to believe this is how some people actually spend their day.

90 pounds! Wow!

Sept. 14
From TippyToes:
Singing lass, you are one smart cookie! They won’t be tricking you. I too am keeping tabs on things over there. I feel we can use them for improvements to the site here. In a very odd way, we can use the negatives in a positive way.

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September 18, 2007 at 8:38 pm

La Mesa

I can’t believe what a scum bag tippy toes is….’ths too shall pass’ what a pathetic excuse for a human being to partner up with heidi the devil!

September 18, 2007 at 8:40 pm

La Mesa

Again..Tippy toes…just as evil as heidi!

September 18, 2007 at 8:42 pm

LastLCer

ROFLMAO, Tippy sure thinks she’s smarter than the average bear…NOT!

September 18, 2007 at 8:43 pm

Swinging Higher

Are you planning to do an expose on the remaining admins any time soon?

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The other admins profiles are in progress at the moment. We encourage those reading here to share any pertinent information in the comments and include “DO NOT POST” at the start if they wish the information to be confidential and anonymous.

September 18, 2007 at 8:43 pm

Barb

I love how they think they don’t have to refund money to people who get banned for NO REASON! You’ll find out you do! TT obviously is of the same calibur as that BIG FAT LIAR Heidi Diaz!

September 18, 2007 at 8:43 pm

ROFL

I had no clue there was a private admin forum over there. That they’re actually discussing how to ban members without refunds is sick.

September 18, 2007 at 8:45 pm

Josh

Just when you think nothing will surprise you, you’re surprised. I’m sure the admin who left — the only one with any common sense obviously — wishes they’d never been involved with this whole thing. This all is so disgusting to see. People can be really cruel to each other, can’t they?

September 18, 2007 at 8:55 pm

Terri

Disgusting!

September 18, 2007 at 9:00 pm

Kim

IMO they sound paranoid. Just trying to get the bad stuff off asap so they can continue to rope in newbies.

September 18, 2007 at 9:01 pm

Mir

I hope someone has the original TOS from when the mass of people signed up. I suspect that lots of fiddling will go on. If lifetime membership was not limited by the membership agreement–ie, if it didn’t say you could be banned sans refund for being “negative”–then I don’t see how they have the justification. You can’t run a site on the whims of teh dictator. There have to be standards and rules and people have to be able to know that the rules are stable, not changing according to She-Stalin’s whims.

She would have been much smarter allowing ONE “vent and ask” thread and let her henchwomen handle it on an ongoing basis. Heck, hire someone, use some of that 2 millions bucks, and let them be the vent-hostess.

When you let people talk and vent, you at least seem like a civilized, democratic person.

When you summarily delete and banish, well, you show your true colors.

Did the original agreement demand members never say anything critical of Heidi-Liedy? Did it say no negative comments on the forums? If not, then how can they use that as justificaton for banishment and censorship?

M.

September 18, 2007 at 9:11 pm

OddManOut

[i]Sept., 6
From TippyToes[/i]

Sooo. Tippy Toes was an admin days before she was officially announced? Interesting.

September 18, 2007 at 9:13 pm

Joey

They’ve got some balls, that’s for sure!

September 18, 2007 at 9:17 pm

too bad kimmer

Does this mean that “Pants on Fire” violated the TOS of the BBB by posting as an employee of Kimkins?

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It does indeed appear that Tippy Toes did violate the rules of the BBB for reviewing a company when she did so while an employee/admin.

September 18, 2007 at 9:30 pm

ixtapacheryl

Doesn’t surprise me in the least! I’m just shocked that they are all so cavalier towards their paying members. Don’t kid yourself – they could care less about any of their members losing weight or keeping it off. All they’re worried about is the negativity that is circling inside the KK site and eradicating it as soon as they can spot it. None of them want to deal with reality – it’s easier to ban and ignore.

Different day – same story!

September 18, 2007 at 9:51 pm

theTRUTH

Gee. If it is only accessible to Admins, how did I get at it?

————–

Ducky’ll never tell!

September 18, 2007 at 10:04 pm

Stiff

As for terms of service, this looks new to me:

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The Kimkins Program is provided in electronic media and as such cannot be returned for refund once purchased and accessed. Members may not harass, annoy, badger, bully or act in an offensive manner to other members or administration. Violators will have their accounts canceled and no refund given.

This website comprises various websites and pages operated by Kimkins.com and the information contained therein (together, the “website”). Certain sections of the website may contain separate terms and conditions, which are in addition to this agreement. You should read those additional terms and conditions carefully. By accessing such sections or pages, you agree to be bound by those additional terms and conditions. In the event of a conflict, those additional terms and conditions will govern your use of those sections or pages.
—————–

Since when did it say accounts will be cancelled and no refunds given?

And where is this justified? What are her guidelines for being offensive? Some specifics would be nice.
The Anonymous Admin definitely said it well.

September 18, 2007 at 10:14 pm

WOW

Tippy…you really got alot on the ball don’t you.

Your’e gonna need all the “positives” you can get to get you out of this mess LOL.

September 18, 2007 at 10:18 pm

Leslie

Kimmer has a big problem.

She has an admin within her trusted circle betraying her.

What will she do next?

Will she fire them all?

How will she really know which one it is?

They’ll all deny it was them, but one will be lying!

I know who the TRUTH is, but I’m not telling!

September 18, 2007 at 10:19 pm

WOW

It’s quite the racket over there eh???

Take their money and ban them….and none of the new sign ups will know a thing about it until they themselves question whats going on….then they in turn will suffer the same fate…..

It’s a renewing resource…a money generating scam.

September 18, 2007 at 10:28 pm

RayOfFriknSunshine

Curious as I am to know who the Truth is, I hope s/he isn’t outed. Keep it up, whoever you are!

September 18, 2007 at 10:37 pm

MariaM

TRUTH should use his contact to do a global email to everyone in the kimkins database, complete with a history of everything going on and links to all these blogs so members who don’t wander around much get to see what’s going on!

———————–

Kimmer may be the only one with privleges to do such a mass emailing, but with the mass emailing today of the email-ebook-advertisement, it’s obvious such a mailing is possible.

We really like your idea and hope theTRUTH sees it and takes action on it if possible, it’s simply duckilicious!

September 18, 2007 at 10:40 pm

Mimi

uhm… don’t you mean “withIN” her trusted circle? At any rate, the paranoia is delicious ain’t it … who is it, Heidi? who is the mongoose scampering around there in the snakepit?

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Good catch, we edited it for them!

September 19, 2007 at 12:24 am

ixtapacheryl

Mimi: Don’t you mean Meerkat ….. On it’s hind legs always on the look-out …..

September 19, 2007 at 1:01 am

Selenabj

Well isn’t Tippy Toes just a vile piece of vermin. Who does that little idiot think she is?? Her psychological profile would probably be that of a poor homely little fat girl who had self esteem issues. Now, the Great and Powerful OZ comes to use her and she is basking in the glory of her greatness. Get real Miss Tippy. You are not powerful. You are a nothing among a group of nothings. I love this mentality- “hey SL, you are one smart cookie . THEY won’t be tricking you… ” oh yeah Miss Tippy?
When you come crawling back to your old forum, begging people to understand what a fool you were, I hope they turn their backs on you.

And then Big Kimmer makes her profound statement-
“Hard to believe this is how some people actually spend their day.”
Funny, that is exactly what I was thinking about you!!
Can anyone say POND SCUM??

September 19, 2007 at 1:51 am

Mimi

PS to Duckie and Leslie — I wasn’t criticizing or laughing at the typo … just wanted to add my two cents to the amusement re Heidi being unable — truly unable — to trust even those in her inner circle.

The thing is, she seems either unable or unwilling to “get” that the reason she can’t trust “friends” or enemies is her own fault.

September 19, 2007 at 3:28 am

Mimi

Mongoose. Snake’s worst enemy. Besides Ducks of course 🙂

September 19, 2007 at 4:58 am

count padunkadunk

Tippy how sad that you do not see what you have become. Maybe you have always been this way and I am just now seeing.

September 19, 2007 at 1:36 pm

Kim

Well, I was banned w/o a refund and didn’t post anything negative. I got banned for the BBB complaint so she still has some revising to do to get it right. Oh wait! If you sign up, the TOS is what it is when you sign up, not what she changes it to daily to cover her @$$. That’s like business law 101…and the lesson that we were all taught when we were 2 by our parents…you can’t change the rules after the game starts. Maybe Heidi was raised by wolves and never learned those lessons…it would explain a lot don’t you think?

September 20, 2007 at 3:05 am

Got my hip boots on

If you wanna see some real vileness you all should maybe look in the mirror and see the snarly wild-eyed hounds you have become. This isn’t about saving people, it’s about getting your rocks off hunting someone down. Pretty obvious to those of us who are still sane.

Kimkins Members Attack Child on Kimkins Forum

In an update following the dangerous advice to the 14 year old girl within the Kimkins website (clearly contrary to Heidi Diaz’s claim that teens are not allowed in her site), the teen posted that she’s doing better, eating more calories and seeking advice for health outside the Kimkins site. In what can only be described as a viscious attack on this child, members were quick to reply with the following, and keep in mind these are adults replying to a child,

OSusana: Glad you lost the weight on KIMKINS…. You didn’t LOSE iT eating bananas and bread, peanut butter and oatmeal…
You lost it following Kimkins…. Good for you… We are here to lose weight just like you did…. DOING KIMKINS…. why on EARTH would we want to break away and go eat bananas
and all the other carbs that made us fat….?

Surley you jest…. pffftttt…

.o.. go eat your peanut butter and banana sandwiches….

Another adult, who appears to know this is a child, replies,

this topic you created called its NOT over…. we ADULTS know how to eat well and HOW to encorportate other types of food back in our lives in moderation, we also know how to see our medical doctor for any concerns and we adults know how to take our multi-vitamins daily.. It’s NOT about the food, its about how you live your LIFE. I am happy that you lost the weight and then created a plan that is good for YOU.

Kimmers way of eating has saved thousands if not millions of lives and WE LOVE KIMMER and protect her from people like YOU.

so please go about your merry way and take your ass on!

The thread has since been deleted, but email verifications of its existence and all posts made remain. Amazing how adults treated this child, isn’t it?

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September 7, 2007 at 3:53 pm

Kim

How could anybody do this to a child? Let alone a child who is obviously reaching out for help. My guess is, the 14 year old probably got banned too.

September 7, 2007 at 4:22 pm

kkatastrophediet

Yes and apparently I was banned over this thread for informing the obnoxious posters that it was a 14 year old–rethink your posts.
I also told the girl Congrats and she should start her own blog, with permission of course.
Definitely a reason to be banned from a site I PAID FOR. Thread’s gone but I have screen shots, so, it’s not forgotten…

September 7, 2007 at 4:26 pm

OddManOut

“Kimmers way of eating has saved thousands if not millions of lives and WE LOVE KIMMER and protect her from people like YOU.”

I’d like to see the statistics to back that claim. After they’re finished genuflecting.

September 7, 2007 at 4:26 pm

kkatastrophediet

And, another thing–the posters claimed not to know it was a 14 year old, and that she should let someone know. How about we do two things:
1) Don’t allow minors to remain members by refunding their money and blocking them AND
2) You posters (you know who you are) should not speak to anyone that way–what makes you think it is okay if it is a grown up? Open mouth insert FOOT.

September 8, 2007 at 7:26 pm

osuzana

My comment is THIS!

I made the comment to the poster, not knowing she was a 14 year old… HOW would anyone know that?

and Don’t you dare chastize me about how a person should address another adult on this issue… You all created this heat…at LCF
I have been to the LCF and read the horrible way peolpe over there referred to the people on the Kimkins web site…

We were “brainwashed” idiots who were drinking “the kool aid”
nice huh?

These are Outrageous statements, and there were many, many more..

My comments to this so called 14 year old were justified… after SHE made comments about how she lost the weight successfully while ON Kimkins,

and then turned around urging everyone to get out while we can… and then wondering if she would get banned because of it??

I was defending the web site and the plan…it works…she just admitted that!
And you bet, there are a lot of people on edge at that web site…so of course we will defend it, and since there was no way of knowing she was 14 we defended it as though she were any other of the adult moles in there spying stealing peoples posts, and spreading BAD AIR, and urging people to defect.

I simply told her to go eat her peanut butter and banana sandwiches, after SHE JUST GOT DONE BRAGGING in that very post that was WHAT SHE WAS eating! although not in that order…

I am so SICK of seeing half truths about this diet.
WE DON”T CARE ABOUT KIMMER…..we are there to lose weight, can’t you GET that?
I don’t want to have coffee with her, or see if she pays her taxes.

many of you have NOT even done the plan, so how would you know?
and most of you ignore the fact, that this plan WORKS!!!

and you ignore the fact that many did not join the web site to sit with kimmer…whomever she is…. WE DON’T CARE!!!

The web site is “us” the people who enjoy being there!
We have formed a wonderful community there, it is the people on the web site that make the web site what is is … not Kimmer..

Now that it is invaded by LCF worms it is very hard to be there anymore.
and that is sad…

Let me ask you this… when you joined LCF…did you join it for TOM? or for the community support?
I joined LCF for the support and when I joined I didn’t even know WHO Tom was …nor did I care.

I’m beginning to care tho’ because of the blood thirsty lynch mob his site has spawned… what is going on there, is no better than what kimkins is being accused of… ruthlessness on both sides..its sick!

I have read posts on LCF stating how horrible the Kimkins site is because of her deleting posts and banning people, and reading PM’s

ARE YOU KIDDING ME???? SERIOUSLY????
I think she learned how to do that FROM LCF. What a joke!
WHAT A JOKE! Are you all forgetting something??
LCF was the forerunner of Kimkins… she got good training.

It’s time LCF looks in its own back yard and cleans it up, before it goes any further launching vendettas against someone else!

I am leaving Kimkins… Not because of anything that the community there has done…
but because of the underhanded deviousness that LCF has allowed to happen there.. when I post something and then see it elsewhere and only with half the truth, then I consider that deviousness, and just outrageous…

when you have to go STEALING peoples posts and twist them to your own way of thinking, or not state the whole truth, wellll… then something is just messed up!

Don’t have enough ammunition for your hate vendetta?… OK go dig some up and twist it your way… NICE!

as FOR THE 14 YEAR OLD…I AM SORRY TO HAVE OFFENDED HER… not my intent to a 14 year old… that is NOT who I am.
But she wrote what she wrote…and are you all saying a 14 year old can’t think abnd write what she feels because she is 14?… hogwash!
I knew what I was doing at that age. 14 year olds are NOT stupid!

Stop looking for excuses to fly your evil plane… stop using a 14 year old to keep your hate crusade going .
Get over it!

You need to know I am not defending Kimmer…. I am defending my post over there, and the GOOd people on that web site!

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Thank you for stopping by. You’ve spectacularly shown the world exactly the type of person you are. Bravo!

September 8, 2007 at 10:17 pm

osuzana

Thank you for stopping by. You’ve spectacularly shown the world exactly the type of person you are. Bravo!

You are so very welcome!…
perhaps I have shown the world that there are 2 sides to every story… and exposing, and explaining, something that is misleading is the RIGHT thing to do!

The “Sensationalism” in this headline is VERY misleading, It reads like a rag sheet ……like the National Enquirer….
NO ONE “ATTACKED A CHILD” tell the WHOLE true story… (yeah right)!

September 9, 2007 at 1:02 am

kkatastrophediet

It was Kimmer’s responsibility to block her access, per her stated “policy” as soon as she knew she was a teen. Instead she advised her she didn’t need anymore calories, KNOWING FULL WELL it was a teen. You don’t care who Kimmer is? Many members don’t. What does that say? There are MANY good people on that website, and thanks to the fact that I tried to let you and others know it was a 14 year old girl, in a non-confrontational way, I might add, I WAS BANNED. Were you? I was on that site for a year, and it is an awesome place for support. Unfortunately it is also a place where teens are told to not eat more (true, whether you want to admit it or not), where people are manipulated (you’ve seen Becky’s blog, right?) and where the owner is involved in shady business practices. If you are not defending Kimmer, does it really matter what address is on your screen and where your support comes from? No, if you’re not defending Kimmer, it shouldn’t.

September 9, 2007 at 1:17 am

GinaC at LCF

Good thing you don’t ‘CARE ABOUT KIMMER’ cause apparently Kimmer don’t care about you. Don’t believe me? Go read Becky’s latest!

September 9, 2007 at 1:27 am

graciej

Hi Osuzana,

Just wanted to let you know that I posted your comments at ALC, not LCF. I posted the whole thing. I didn’t twist it. How was it “half truth”? They were your words.

I find it hard to believe that you didn’t know that she is 14 because she has been a topic of much discussion on this blog and lcf for the last few weeks. But even giving you the benefit of the doubt that you didn’t know she is 14, there is no excuse for that type of post directed at anyone. It was rude, period. But really, it was typical for you.

I have done kimkins. I have experienced the negative side effects that have been discussed here and elsewhere. I will continue to shine the light on the inside goings on of kimkins.com until that site no longer exists.

September 9, 2007 at 1:31 am

mariasol

How would you NOT know that she was 14? She had her pics in her signature (the same ones that have been posted all over the internet by now) AND there is that little button under her name that shows her birthdate when you click on it. This girl never hid her age on the board.

September 9, 2007 at 1:45 am

Karen

So, Osuzana…you don’t care that Kimmer sells her website and her diet plan based on her own success with it….even though that success has been proved to be a lie?? Have you read the blogs about Kimmer? Do you see all her lies? The lies she has been telling for years? And that honestly doesn’t bother you???
I really can’t understand that mindset.

September 9, 2007 at 1:56 am

Kimkins Dangers

So.. you’re all so close over there, such a great bonded community, so tight knit and loving and all that.. but you didn’t know that regular poster (who WE all knew) was a teen? Riiiiiiight.

September 9, 2007 at 2:31 am

Kimmerexia

osuzana freaks out: “We were “brainwashed” idiots who were drinking “the kool aid”
nice huh?”

That’s “brainwashed idiots who were drinking the SUGAR-FREE Kool-Aid,” hun.

Diet Coke flavored. That way it’s even allowed during extended periods of fasting and laxative abuse.

September 9, 2007 at 7:17 am

kkatastrophediet

Were you banned? Let us know! List being compiled at
http://kkatastrophediet.wordpress.com/

September 9, 2007 at 2:21 pm

ban kimmer

Again I maintain WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU? Every kimmeroonie supporter is so angry and ugly when posting. Sorry that some of us found fault in the way you spoke to the teen. Let me make it easier on you, I don’t care if you were talking to a kid or adult your post was juvenile! Go eat your peanut buter sandwich? That’s so stupid. You sound like the fat kid at the playground picking on all the other fat kids.

We, the people who actually care about people haven’t even made those fat joke comments to your leader as we have all been there done that at some time.

Why is it ok for you to make ugly comments like that?

Because you are just as bad as her. You don’t care about anyone but yourself, and you don’t care about anything but the diet working.

Well punkin I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again….the diet does work, so does crank, heroin and tape worms but no one is touting useing those are they? DUH! Of course if you stop eating and drink only water or diet coke you’ll lose weight a retarded monkey could have figured that out. What you need to understand is you are doing damage to your metabolism.

But don’t think about that now. And when you are 40 yrs old and you can’t lose all the weight you will gain back let’s see who’s hurling fat jokes then ok? Sheesh!

September 10, 2007 at 1:22 pm

Bye-Bye Osuzana! « Kimkins Exposed

[…] Monday, September 10th, 2007 in low carb friends, online tracking, Low-Calorie Diet, Kimkins Diet, kimkins fraud, kimkins controversy, Osuzana, kimkins admins, kimkins dieting, Kimkins.com, vLCD, dieting, lies, Diet, Weight Loss, Low-Fat, Malnutrition, Heidi Diaz, Kimmer, Kimkins, security In a very vocal diatribe recently, Kimkins member Osuzana made quite a spectacle of herself here in comments. […]

October 3, 2007 at 7:33 pm

schemingturkey

hey everyone,

i just joined and wanted to say hi. 🙂

October 19, 2007 at 6:44 pm

hollywoodheidi

Hi! I just found this forum and it looks really cool.

Now, I gotta run off and read some posts. 🙂

October 25, 2007 at 2:01 pm

Speajepireeld

What’s Up?,

I’m just starting here. And it feels like an awesome forum.

I just wanted to give a nice hello to all of you here. 🙂

-Dana

November 14, 2007 at 11:14 am

keydaytaf

Hello
I’ve just registered at the forum. This is my first message.
Please don’t become angry about me.
Thank you.

January 3, 2008 at 1:22 am

WhereistheLOVE

osuzana’s comments, her demeanor and energy in general is what perpetuates the stereotype that women are “catty”.

April 11, 2008 at 4:52 am

upliftist

Hello my friends 🙂 😉

BBB & California Medical Board

Heidi Diaz received a complaint from the BBB recently and in responding, as requested by the BBB, she also established her business presence within their website.

From the BBB website we learn the following about Kimkins:

DBA: Kimkins
Address: 529 North McKinley Street 104-309
Corona, CA 92879
Primary Phone: (951) 258-3976 » Other
Primary Contact: Heidi Diaz,Owner

Website: http://www.kimkins.com
Company ID: 100055868
Business Start Date: 4/22/2006

This verifies that Heidi Diaz is the owner of the website and that the McKinley Street address (shown in the slamboard surveillance) is indeed her mailbox address for the company mail.

What is truly distrurbing about her listing within the BBB directory is her categorization of her company as within Physicians and Surgeons: Medical Weight Reduction. With no known medical professionals on staff, this is a blatant misrepresentation of her company, and implies medical suprevision that does not exist, thus we believe she’s now established cause for practicing medicine without a license in the state of California.

If you have not done so, please take some time to Write a Review for Kimkins where provided by the BBB. If you feel you have been defrauded, misled or abused in any way by the company, please File a Complaint where provided on the BBB site.

You can also call the California Medical Board to report her classification under Physicians and Surgeons: Medical Weight Reduction with the BBB so they are also aware of her deceptive business practices.

The California Medical Board phone number, for complaints, is toll-free: 800-633-2322

You may access their website here.

Don’t forget to mention is states on her website the diet is “perfect for all diabetics.”

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September 7, 2007 at 3:36 pm

Mimi

Thank you, Ducky. Truly sorry to have clogged your blog with my recent flurry of rants. I tend to get just a tiny bit overenthusiastic about worthy causes sometimes! 🙂

(Please feel free to delete this or any other of my hyperactive comments 🙂

September 7, 2007 at 3:51 pm

Kim

I feel so much better you guys! Yesterday there were no surveys on her company, now there are something like 7 pages. We all know the 5 star replies are Heidi herself, but yeah for us! Maybe this will at least stop some people from joining.

Heidi hasn’t replied to my rebuttal and I’m not so sure she will, but I’ll keep watching and see. Again, Kimmerexia is right, this will not shut her down, but hopefully it will make some think twice and the complaints filed can be used by the AG during their investigation. If we keep plugging away at the resources available to us, something will happen. She’s only one person…we have how many???

September 7, 2007 at 4:12 pm

Kimmerexia

Kim, I’ve even filed my own lenghty review myself as well just now.

But the overall ranking still currently sits at TWO stars. Gotta get it down to the minimum ONE star!

September 7, 2007 at 4:48 pm

Kim

I knew you could do it Kimmerexia! Thanks! You’re right, we have to get it down to one star. I noticed too that when I initially filed my complaint her “grade” was a C, but just in her responding to my complaint and filling out her info, she was upgraded to a BB. Hopefully with more complaints that will drop back down…below a C would be awesome!

It’s a start at least.

September 7, 2007 at 7:35 pm

Kimmerexia

Kimmer is now directly prompting her loyal members to post positive reviews at the BBB site:

Kimmer posts link to BBB review site and sez: “”Nobody loves us.”

Which solicits replies from the minions:

“Oh my God, Kimmer that’s horrible…I’ll write one right now”

“There are more of us than of them, we’ll fix this”

Then…

Kimmer sez: “So who all is going to the BBB to post some reviews?”

September 7, 2007 at 7:51 pm

Kim

LMAO – she couldn’t think of anymore names to post her own reviews anymore or what???

I just hope that on top of the reviews, those that have been banned without refunds have also filed complaints. Those complaints can’t be countered by anyone but Heidi and what leg does she have to stand on when she’s not refunding the money, but not providing the lifetime memberships either.

September 8, 2007 at 1:02 am

Mimi

Kim, that’s an important point for everyone to keep in mind — the REVIEWS are not the same thing as the COMPLAINTS.

The Reviews MIGHT certainly help prevent more people being lured to this dangerous diet.

The Complaints WILL affect Kimkins’ business ratings and MIGHT help in furthering the ongoing investigation.

If you personally have been defrauded, decieved, verbally/emotionally abused by and/or harmed by Heidi/Kimmer/Kimkins diet/Kimkins.com AND/OR if you have not received a full refund and the promised Kimkins e-book, AND/OR if you are a family member, spouse, or caretaker/guardian of someone who fits any of these criteria, please put your keyboard where your mouth is (uh … not literally! 🙂 and file a COMPLAINT.

The rest of us can post REVIEWS.

That link again for both Complaints and Reviews is:
http://www.labbb.org/BBBWeb/Forms/Business/CompanyReportPage_Expository.aspx?CompanyID=100055868

Tinyurl:
http://tinyurl.com/ywwdbl

September 8, 2007 at 4:30 pm

Kim

Right Mimi. And I’d like to point out that her reviews are now rated at 3 stars because of her post onto her site to solicit good reviews so the complaints need to be filed, they can only be answered by Heidi herself. Just my one complaint she contradicted herself on, so imagine if she gets more, she’ll really be talking out of both sides of her mouth. It takes just a few minutes and is super easy on the web.

I think she’s starting to feel the pressure.

Kimkins Imploding from Within

Members are slowly coming to realize the deception.

A member wrote:
I just read on Christin’s blog that she had health problems from the woe.   She told everyone she was given a clean bill of health.  I guess that ws after she was treated for the problems?

Another just replied:
Im not sure if it was Christin that said she got a clean bill of health or those were Kimmers words.
Nevertheless the truth is coming out about this plan.
Of course we all want to lose weight
Of course we want to lose it fast
But long term damage to your health wasnt listed as one of the side effects when i signed up
Of course your going to lose weight only eating 500 calories a day ….duh
The real Kimmer needs to show herself as she is not who she says she is
She had her stomach stapled many moons ago to lose weight
And has since regained it all plus some
they’ve found out the truth
Stay tuned to the news and magazines…….

Legal Liability Questions at Kimkins

Yesterday Kimkins Dangers took a moment to review the recent updates to the Kimkins site Terms of Service (TOS). It’s an interesting read.

While we are not lawyers, nor play them on TV, it is notable to state here that disclaimers on websites won’t stop staff members from being liable when they do something that may be construed as a civil wrong, such as negligance, or fraud, or other infractions that may exist in your jurisdiction. This holds true whether paid staff or volunteer staff on a website.

When money is charged for membership, which includes advice, a disclaimer acts as a warning to those paying and does not shield staff from prosecution if they step over bounds set by law.

No disclaimer can be contrary to the law.

If the law is that one cannot practice medicine without a license, a disclaimer worded to allude to such not applying within the confines of a website is moot. If a staffer unwittingly provides advice which falls within the definition of medical advice, they may then be subject to prosecution under the law which stipulates one must hold license to practice medicine.

No disclaimer may be contrary to the law.

Anyone who charges for advice often must have a license (depends on type of advice given) or they and their staff will be subject to penalties which could include fines, loss of an ability to attain license in the future, or even jail.

The laws vary by state, but the internet is across state lines, thus anyone actively participating as a staff member on a website must do their due diligence to understand how the law applies to their circumstances and consider their liability should suit be brought either criminally or in civil court in the future.